[the Thing]

Hey guys. Short version:

- Go on cruise ship
- Be on nightclub deck
- Meet pussy
- Game pussy
- Make out for what felt like fucking eternity, trying to make the pull
- Finally make the pull
- Take her back to cabin
- She was already drunk but anyway pour some kahlua to chill
- Make the move
- She freaks out and wants to go out for a smoke

Ok now it gets detailed

- Ask 'what was that?' during the smoke
- She said what was basically "As a woman I'm scared of getting raped"
- Ask "so we spent almost 4 hours and thats what you got, that I'm a rapist?"
- Get reply in the tune of "If I go with a foreign dude and end up in a bad situation my friends will just say 'that would happen, you cheap whore' and dump me"
- Get really pissed, say "you know what, I wouldn't fuck you now if you fucking paid me"
- She feels sorry, "can't believe how I said this, maybe I will see you again take my number?"
- I say "yeaa I'll take your LinkedIn because you know professional and all"
- She keeps talking about how bad she feels about what she just said. Take her number.
- Keep distance and no eye contact
- She gets really sad, says things about how nice I am, and how she screwed it up etc.
- Don't give no quarter
- She says "Ok dont even walk me to my cabin I just want to be alone"
- Say "Even if you don't want it, I will walk you to somewhere public because if something happens to you I don't want to be blamed for it"
- She starts crying
- Stand there no fucks given, pissed and looking the other way
- 5 minutes later she's begging me to take her back
- Give her a hug say "it's okay just don't ever mention it"
- Make out for 2-3 minutes
- It's cold outside so get back in
- In the stairwell, still trying to seal the deal.
- Tell her "my bro would be OK if I wake him up and kick him out of the cabin, I would have done the same for him" (I had a cabin mate, yeah bad logistics I get this part)
- She says I make her real horny but she doesn't want to fuck because she's a bit tired and of course the thing earlier
- I say don't even think about it
- Things start heating up even more
- Then I basically undid my pants and pulled my cock out in the stairwell, undid her bra from under her blouse, grabbed her boobs with one hand and other hand back down the pants to grab her ass.
- I turn her around, kissing her neck, one hand working nipples and the other working the clit
- I try to slip off her pants and do it right there in the stairwell. Went a few times she got shy.
- I tried to get a blow job and did, for a short while. Then she got really shy.
- For the rest of our time on the stairwell we made out, I gave her a clit rub and I got a handjob.
- We smoke for one last time, then she's back to her room.

The next morning, while I was out smoking with my bro I saw her with one of her friends I didn't even look that way and just went with a hey how you doin' on my way back inside. Went to a different deck to chill with bro. I watched her walking around looking for something (presumably me) Then she saw us outside and came to smoke and start chatting. I kept my cool. Even while she was talking to my bro her eyes were on me. Then on the way back I got a hand stroke a smile and a "we'll see each other".

That's it. What's this "I don't want to get raped and beaten by a foreigner" thing, I mean for pete's sake do foreigners really give off that bad a vibe? I'm well groomed dress smart casual, easygoing and even tempered in a "young white collar professional" way and generally well spoken.

Thanks guys for reading this far. I feel like I could have done much better. I now want you fellow RVF'ers to grill me about what I did wrong.

[WestIndianArchie]

Sounds like you
- were a horn dog for 4 hours
- finally got her to the sex locale
- added some unnecessary alcohol
- didn't build enough comfort
- didn't see where her head was at

Then she bounced.

and then

You blew up at the chick for being a chick.

On top of that, you actually got involved in her "hamsterian" logic.

You do realize they unconsciously spit that shit to confuse you.

How else are they supposed to disarm a being that has twice the upper body strength and can end their lives if he so chooses?

Too much red pill, not enough game.

And by game, I mean an understanding of women's behavior.

WIA

[the Thing]

(11-01-2015 07:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Sounds like you
- were a horn dog for 4 hours
- finally got her to the sex locale
- added some unnecessary alcohol
- didn't build enough comfort
- didn't see where her head was at

Then she bounced.

and then

You blew up at the chick for being a chick.

On top of that, you actually got involved in her "hamsterian" logic.

You do realize they unconsciously spit that shit to confuse you.

How else are they supposed to disarm a being that has twice the upper body strength and can end their lives if he so chooses?

Too much red pill, not enough game.

And by game, I mean an understanding of women's behavior.

WIA

Thanks for the comment. I sort of get that, especially the part about getting involved in her hamsterian logic. Although,

Quoting urban dictionary here, horn dog:

not to be confused with corndog, a horndog is someone who desperately would like you in his/her pants.

I can't really describe how the picture was from the outside but I would say there was a mild to moderate level of horndogging on my side.

horndogs tend to forget their natural surroundings because they are so horny they'll do anything to get inside you. The horndog is a mighty creature that will stop at nothing to fuck you

Now this definitely didn't happen. One short scene I have is, while we were at the club we sat down for a while, she said "ok lets talk about something, pick a topic" I went with "performing arts" she talked about a life story of her in the TV business and I went for a while about how I have been in theater clubs, play the piano and the drums. This went on for a while and while I was on it she stopped me and said "Thing, stop talking, you already stole my heart" and that was when I made the pull.

On the other hand, when we (me with bro) met them, she had some other girl with her that was way hotter and I originally opened on that girl but right after the opener what she said was (in a joking way but still) "my friend is drunk and her brother is really scary so be decent to her" (Side note: my bro failed catastrophically with the other chick but we don't even need to talk about that)

This above is why I thought it was something fundamental about my character and not my game because damn son, right after the opener, first thing out of her mouth.

What can I do to build better and faster comfort while I am already down 1-0 at the start?

Edit:

(11-01-2015 07:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

You do realize they unconsciously spit that shit to confuse you.

How else are they supposed to disarm a being that has twice the upper body strength and can end their lives if he so chooses?

(11-01-2015 07:55 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Too much red pill, not enough game.

And by game, I mean an understanding of women's behavior.

I get that my "I just want to fuck you and if you're up for it let's roll" angle doesn't fly with the female mind. I just don't get why I would get this kind of LMR when she was basically all over me like a 12 year old girl and her dog.

[The Lizard of Oz]

Dude. Here is the single most important thing to take away from your story:

As soon as a girl mentions "rape", even once, in any context involving your trying to fuck her, you deescalate, eject from the situation as smoothly as you can, and take her back to wherever the hell she came from (her cabin in this case). And you are never alone with her again.

Forget about getting in her pants. Girls that think about "rape" in that context enough to actually say it are dangerous to you, they could end your very life. It's the reddest of red flags, and it should make you instantly break a cold sweat and set aside all ideas of fucking. Your only thought from the moment that dreadful word is uttered should be, how do I end this situation as smoothly as possible, and how do I get and stay as far away from this bitch as I can.

No pussy is worth risking your life and freedom for; never, ever forget that. There is always another piece of ass -- except when you're in prison because of a false rape accusation, and your ass is next.

[LINUX]

This is actually very normal behavior from women.

WIA is correct, notice the last thing her said in his reply. --- "Too much red pill, not enough game. And by game, I mean an understanding of women's behavior. "

Do some research on the difference between the masculine and feminine. Sounds like you met a woman who was pure emotion, coming to you with her feminine self. You failed in that you expected her to be logical and rational. That's your job, not hers.

As things progress, you'll meet more women like this. Stop trying to make sense of it, and have fun with them and by that I mean don't get frustrated with them. You're the rock that doesn't move, they are the wind blowing around and changing courses. Most people lose bangs when they become frustrated and the woman sees it. It's a huge turn-off for them.

[the Thing]

(11-01-2015 08:40 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

This is actually very normal behavior from women.

WIA is correct, notice the last thing her said in his reply. --- "Too much red pill, not enough game. And by game, I mean an understanding of women's behavior. "

Do some research on the difference between the masculine and feminine. Sounds like you met a woman who was pure emotion, coming to you with her feminine self. You failed in that you expected her to be logical and rational. That's your job, not hers.

As things progress, you'll meet more women like this. Stop trying to make sense of it, and have fun with them and by that I mean don't get frustrated with them. You're the rock that doesn't move, they are the wind blowing around and changing courses. Most people lose bangs when they become frustrated and the woman sees it. It's a huge turn-off for them.

Yep it's normal, I just wanted to know if I could have done better in any way.

What would be your save in that kind of situation or would you just take the loss and move on like I did?

I'll maybe call her up, take her to dinner in a few days but like the Lizard pointed out, it's prepaid phone cab rides cash in hand for the bill and alias only, I ain't taking my ass near no false rapey shit

[WestIndianArchie]

(11-01-2015 08:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

Thanks for the comment. I sort of get that, especially the part about getting involved in her hamsterian logic. Although,

Now this definitely didn't happen. One short scene I have is, while we were at the club we sat down for a while, she said "ok lets talk about something, pick a topic" I went with "performing arts" she talked about a life story of her in the TV business and I went for a while about how I have been in theater clubs, play the piano and the drums. This went on for a while and while I was on it she stopped me and said "Thing, stop talking, you already stole my heart" and that was when I made the pull.

So you're not socially calibrated, but she liked you anyway.

Basically you didn't know when to stop your "attraction" material.

(11-01-2015 08:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

On the other hand, when we (me with bro) met them, she had some other girl with her that was way hotter and I originally opened on that girl but right after the opener what she said was (in a joking way but still) "my friend is drunk and her brother is really scary so be decent to her" (Side note: my bro failed catastrophically with the other chick but we don't even need to talk about that)

Actually, if you're brother would have done better, and you guys would have stuck together - that might have worked in your favor. That's some intermediate technical stuff for a different post. The kernel of knowledge is that a woman's emotional state can match, complement, or contrast yours...but also her friends. So if the friend is not having a good time, you really need to do a lot on your end to put the friend out of the target's mind. Or get the target on point.

(11-01-2015 08:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

This above is why I thought it was something fundamental about my character and not my game because damn son, right after the opener, first thing out of her mouth.

What can I do to build better and faster comfort while I am already down 1-0 at the start?

Better isn't always faster.

And faster comfort?

You can basically bowl a chick over with "alpha" and liquor.

1) Is there any compliance? How deep was the compliance?

She can get into her sex mode if you've got the privacy, requisite attraction, and you've built up COMPLIANCE from the approach to the end game.

I didn't see where you built any compliance into your game. If she follows you, that's maybe level 2 of compliance. But you want her to do your bidding, you want her to surrender, you want her to submit. And you want her to enjoy her submission. She wants to as well.

I don't mean BDSM type shit, just natural Man-To-Woman communication and understanding.

You said above that you guys are both into the performing arts. Ask her about the hottest scene she's ever seen. Get her to explain it.

And as she explains it, you start to act it out, and put your hands on her.

This might sound like a "one off" way to seduce a particular kind of chick, BUT...

What you should take away

She has told you about herself extensively.
You need to get into her world and take it over.

The "comfort" the player seeks isn't a pair of bunny slippers and fluffy set of couch pillows. It's not warm mug of cocoa and curling up with a good book.

The comfort you want is her being comfortable with you giving directions.

Can you lead me?

If it was female investment banker, you need to ask her about her great trades or awesome deals.

A real estate agent, great sale

If she has a job she's not passionate about, you have to find her passion.

Get her to role play with you, tell you a story, have her relive those dreams, but you ENTER THE PICTURE as a director.

That's the comfort you need her to have.
She has to be comfortable and amenable to your leadership.

Because she was comfortable enough to tell you these things that go on in her mind. She's comfortable enough to let you ask them. She's obviously comfortable with the physical aspects - but now you have more of the mental aspect.

She has to want you on more than just a moist pussy angle.

A shower head can get a girl off, just like you can jerk it to porn.

Porn is not enough. Applying pressure to her lady bits is not enough to SEDUCE her.

And that's the angle you need to take.

Little college kids get next to each other, full of hormones and alcohol, and sex happens. It's not rocket science.

What i'm talking about is much closer to rocket science than the shake and bake of two young people sowing their oats.

But that's how you need to upgrade your game.

You're not just trying to stick it in some hole.

You're trying to get in her mind, get her to want her to have sex WITH YOU. Not just have sex with any available dick, and you just happen to have an available dick.

But sex with "The Thing", this amazing guy she met on a cruise while she was with her girlfriend. He was hot, he took interest in her, he took the initiative and it was all cool.

Not some random dude who got her drunk and managed to get her into his cabin.

She should be asking YOU for consent, real rap.

(11-01-2015 08:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

I get that my "I just want to fuck you and if you're up for it let's roll" angle doesn't fly with the female mind. I just don't get why I would get this kind of LMR when she was basically all over me like a 12 year old girl and her dog.

Same reason back in the day a girl you met from Tinder who was DTF on the text messages isn't DTF when you meet her at the bar for the first time.

It's not just about slamming it in there.

WIA

[the Thing]

(11-01-2015 09:33 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Basically you didn't know when to stop your "attraction" material.

(11-01-2015 08:08 PM)the Thing Wrote:  

..

1) Is there any compliance? How deep was the compliance?

She can get into her sex mode if you've got the privacy, requisite attraction, and you've built up COMPLIANCE from the approach to the end game.

Good angle, I took something from it.

I didn't just try to get her drunk because (a) she was already quite drunk when I met her and any more alcohol in her would just screw the whole thing up, I bought her one shot and then just straight water after that.

My wingman failing isn't really relevant because they were not 2 but actually a group of 30ish people on a corporate retreat and those two just happened to be together at the time I met them. She wasn't particularly close with any person in their group, from as far as I could gather they were just co workers.

The "You said above that you guys are both into the performing arts. Ask her about the hottest scene she's ever seen. Get her to explain it. And as she explains it, you start to act it out, and put your hands on her." thing, funny enough I have actually done.

What are the compliance levels that you're talking about, I mean on what scale is level 2 compliance a girl following you? Opened in a quiet area, then 20 minutes into meeting her I took her to a dance floor, then soon after that I played to her musical taste so I could to go to another dance floor on a different deck to isolate her from her group of friends. On the new dance floor I went for physical, it went well, we danced and made out for a while, then sat down at a nearby table and thus began my hours long journey, between going out for a smoke, chatting and getting physical, to build that tiny extra last bit of rapport required to take her to my cabin and do the banging.

See, I can't really explain the several hours we spent together but as far as I can summarize I led most *definitely not all* the time we have spent, I have seen a sure score before and it was a sure score, my wing said it was a sure score, two of her coworkers didn't explicitly say but pointed out that she was really into me and it was a sure score, I wouldn't have needed to spend that much time to get the notch only if I could defeat what seemed like LMR but later turned out to be a rape scare and that's why I only went into detail for those parts.

Edit: She did think that I was the Thing, the amazing guy she met on a cruise. I know what that looks like and that was pretty much it. That's why I insist it was a sure score.

Edit 2: The rapey scary part is pretty much the only thing that doesn't make any sense. I know my game doesn't suck that bad and she wasn't that hard either.

[Rawmeo]

I'll bring another point of view here. She is "afraid to get raped". And you are playing in the territory of a girl who starts crying for nothing, is batshit crazy, and mentions rape.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a feeling about what might come next if you fuck her.

[Mercenary]

(11-01-2015 08:40 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Dude. Here is the single most important thing to take away from your story:

As soon as a girl mentions "rape", even once, in any context involving your trying to fuck her, you deescalate, eject from the situation as smoothly as you can, and take her back to wherever the hell she came from (her cabin in this case). And you are never alone with her again.

Forget about getting in her pants. Girls that think about "rape" in that context enough to actually say it are dangerous to you, they could end your very life. It's the reddest of red flags, and it should make you instantly break a cold sweat and set aside all ideas of fucking. Your only thought from the moment that dreadful word is uttered should be, how do I end this situation as smoothly as possible, and how do I get and stay as far away from this bitch as I can.

No pussy is worth risking your life and freedom for; never, ever forget that. There is always another piece of ass -- except when you're in prison because of a false rape accusation, and your ass is next.

[Rawmeo]

Looks like I missed The Lizard's post, but it's straight to the point.

Any mention of "being raped", any mention of the girl witnessing, or experiencing a rape, means to eject immediately. Smoothly get out. Sure you will be able to defend yourself in case of false rape, but your reputation is worth more than that. Girls who talk that way have no idea what real "rape" is, and will often suffer "regret rape", and try to put you in trouble.

Burn her, and never contact her again. You dodged a bullet.

[Tigre]

She needed to feel comfortable she was still marginally in control of things. When you stopped with her and went outside for a smoke together, you had already passed that test.

Then you folded the winning hand.

You asked her a question and she gave you an honest answer. Then you made it all about you instead of letting it be about her.

If you just listen to her and re-establish frame, you are good to go.

Try and empathize about the world she lives in. It's a world of vulnerability, of dudes who outweigh her dramatically and are ridiculously stronger. If she's about to have sex, that involves giving control to the other person in a big way.

A woman wants you to lead. Always remember that part of leading another person is listening to what they want. And taking that into account when you make decisions.

A good play is simply restate where you are and what you're doing. "We were having a special moment together back in the nightclub. We came here to get some more privacy. If you're not comfortable, you could leave at any time. But you are here with me because you want to be. Right?"

Agree and amplify even works in this situation. "Yeah, I was thinking about doing some axe murdering this weekend. Then I realized I forgot to bring the axe. Left it back on dry land. That was kind of disorganized of me. So I guess you're safe for now."

Once she knows the situation is still mutual, she will walk back into the cabin and you start having sex.

[kaotic]

I think this was less about the possibility of rape and more about how her reputation would look in her friends eyes.

She didn't bring up saying,

Quote:

If I go with a foreign dude and end up in a bad situation my friends will just say 'that would happen, you cheap whore' and dump me"

Aka saving face.

You let her hamster you and your emotions got the best of you.

Seems comfort game is missing and you scared the cat.

Honestly as soon as a chick would say that you've really 2 options:

-Agree and amplify - soothe her hamster and tell her she's right but she's nothing to worry about. (start recording on your phone). Bang her out and play nice guy game till you're off the boat.

-Next her asap - (start recording and document everything) but do it in a soft way, play nice guy, and bail.

[OregonToSoCal]

The large majority of my bangs are SNL's and of those many of the women would ask me, half tongue in cheek, half seriously when we're going to my place something to the effect of "you're not an axe murderer are you?' or 'I don't want to be a dateline NBC story'. My go to response is to look at them with a confused 'huh?' expression and then sarcastically say 'sorry to disappoint you but I'm not that guy.' After that they always smile, sometimes giggle and we go on with our night.

[tatami]

Chick is crazy man. Stay far away. Yes, all chicks are crazy somehow but most aren't dangerous crazy. Those that are are ticking timebombs. You might be fine today, tomorrow or the next day, but you do not want to be around her when she eventually blows up.

[fucksong]

(11-02-2015 12:34 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

The large majority of my bangs are SNL's and of those many of the women would ask me, half tongue in cheek, half seriously when we're going to my place something to the effect of "you're not an axe murderer are you?' or 'I don't want to be a dateline NBC story'. My go to response is to look at them with a confused 'huh?' expression and then sarcastically say 'sorry to disappoint you but I'm not that guy.' After that they always smile, sometimes giggle and we go on with our night.

I think this might be the best advice to this type of situation. It ends the negative emotional thread that the girl is starting to feel and this shocked reaction let's the girl know that they're the one being weird and tripping. But it would be good to know your opening style OregonToSocal to have some context.

OP- In just the last two weeks, I've met two very attractive girls during the day where both had also expressed concerns about who I was. The first said it in a joking way like "can I trust you? I've never hung out with a guy I just met during the day (who knows)" but I did establish good rapport with her as we were actually in her car when she said this but on Halloween, pulled a girl back to my hotel room to drink wine who apparently has 5000 tinder fans and while she didn't mention rape, she did mention that she had "negative experiences in the past" and also mentioned there was some murderer in another part of town so she made me promise nothing freaky would happen. So I looked her straight in the eye and said I promise I will not do anything she doesn't like and ultimately pulled her back and gave her a full body massage but did NOT close the deal, partly as I only had an hour to work with before checkout but also because I was also affected by her energy when she said she had had "negative experiences " in the past so as I write this, yeah I fucked up as I was Uber sensitive about not making a hardcore move until I knew 110% it was on.

My bottom line point is that the reality of many attractive girls is they might have had stalkers / creepers / come at them the wrong way, possibly even almost getting raped (i have a few female friends who've told me) so if you wanna go for quick closes, snls or daytime instafucks, how to deal with this situation where a girl has confided in you of their fears. If they're joking, it's one thing and you can even roll with it but if they're serious, perhaps just do Oregon's response and stay focused and positive.

Shit in hindsight, my current open gf was a girl I banged after meeting her only 30 min on the street as I had a hotel nearby BUT even after hanging and banging for a few weeks, when one of her guy friends heard the story of how we met, she sent me a video of some social commentary of some older guys using Facebook to meet 12 yr old girls to get them in their van. I was like wtf are you sending me this for? Like was she implying that this is how she felt to which she said no but that she said she was lucky I was a decent guy but that the action itself was dangerous. So ability to develop comfort quickly, deep comfort, should be part of any guy's skill set who wants to bang girls quickly after meeting them.

[OregonToSoCal]

A lot of my bangs and dates come from online dating and like I mentioned before a few will make semi serious remarks about being concerned about 'stranger danger' or ending up with a serial killer. I've always chalked this up to the female hamster and have learned that attraction trumps any of those concerns. Ramp up the attraction enough and all of those precautions go out the window.

If you go back and read Tuth's first date bang recipe he even mentions this as a regular part of the SNL process and deflects by doing a standard agree and amplify response.

The bottom line is most women will have mild concerns being alone with a new guy but work on your attraction and comfort and it shouldn't be a problem. If they're overreacting cut bait and move on, no big deal.

[the Thing]

Hey guys. A lot of good opinions in this thread. Maybe a deeper in detail back story would be more helpful but I guess this guy pretty much nailed it.

(11-02-2015 12:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I think this was less about the possibility of rape and more about how her reputation would look in her friends eyes.

She didn't bring up saying,

Quote:

If I go with a foreign dude and end up in a bad situation my friends will just say 'that would happen, you cheap whore' and dump me"

Aka saving face.

You let her hamster you and your emotions got the best of you.

Seems comfort game is missing and you scared the cat.

Honestly as soon as a chick would say that you've really 2 options:

-Agree and amplify - soothe her hamster and tell her she's right but she's nothing to worry about. (start recording on your phone). Bang her out and play nice guy game till you're off the boat.

-Next her asap - (start recording and document everything) but do it in a soft way, play nice guy, and bail.

All night she was fine with doing pretty much anything I led her to, except coming down to my cabin. You guys need to adjust your perspective for this side of the world where racial prejudice is a much bigger problem, and as a result of the social tension you experience on a daily basis when someone tells you that you might be a rapist because you're a "young foreign boy" it's hard to not take it personal. I would have kept my cool but I grew tired of the several hours of back and forth, and I guess the rape scare talk finally got the best of me.

Although I guess if you were a woman and you were scared of sleeping with someone on the same night you'd just say you were on your period or something, right? Then again it's my job to be reasonable and logical not hers.

No problem, you learn something new every day.

[the Thing]

Hey guys. Quick update. Went on date with said girl. Went full agree and amplify on her hamster. Notch obtained, case closed. Thanks for the help.

[iknowexactly]

(11-01-2015 10:14 PM)the Thing Wrote:  



Edit: She did think that I was the Thing, the amazing guy she met on a cruise. I know what that looks like and that was pretty much it. That's why I insist it was a sure score.

Edit 2: The rapey scary part is pretty much the only thing that doesn't make any sense. I know my game doesn't suck that bad and she wasn't that hard either.

Well known commenter Lizard of Oz told you clearly the real deal , "This is the reddest of red flags" and you still don't get it. You don't get it, get it?

There is confident and there is suicide stupid. I've worked in many prisons and "Alpha confidence" is everywhere, but the owners are still in prison.

Any girl that mentions rape is a ticking bomb but you were lost in this narcissistic shit about how great you are. Lots of guys in prison think they're great. No one cares.

I am not kidding. LOO if i hadn't already I'd +1 for very well put risk management advice.

[the Thing]

(11-07-2015 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 10:14 PM)the Thing Wrote:  



Edit: She did think that I was the Thing, the amazing guy she met on a cruise. I know what that looks like and that was pretty much it. That's why I insist it was a sure score.

Edit 2: The rapey scary part is pretty much the only thing that doesn't make any sense. I know my game doesn't suck that bad and she wasn't that hard either.

Well known commenter Lizard of Oz told you clearly the real deal , "This is the reddest of red flags" and you still don't get it. You don't get it, get it?

There is confident and there is suicide stupid. I've worked in many prisons and "Alpha confidence" is everywhere, but the owners are still in prison.

Any girl that mentions rape is a ticking bomb but you were lost in this narcissistic shit about how great you are. Lots of guys in prison think they're great. No one cares.

I am not kidding. LOO if i hadn't already I'd +1 for very well put risk management advice.

Like I said I took precautions. Prepaid SIM card in a phone I never used with my registered SIM card before. Credit loaded in SIM card with cash. Everything during date paid cash in hand. All cash obtained from distant ATM. Taxi only no car no Uber (didn't drive to the ATM either), her place not mine plus just in case I have like a 5 minute hidden tape of her clearly giving consent.

Edit: On top of all these she doesn't know my real name, my birth date, where I live, nothing. Only an alias first name.

(11-02-2015 12:20 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

I think this was less about the possibility of rape and more about how her reputation would look in her friends eyes.

I felt like this was clearly the case. She wasn't any crazier than the girls I regularly meet. TBH I have stuck my dick in worse

[vinman]

(11-07-2015 04:17 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(11-01-2015 10:14 PM)the Thing Wrote:  



Edit: She did think that I was the Thing, the amazing guy she met on a cruise. I know what that looks like and that was pretty much it. That's why I insist it was a sure score.

Edit 2: The rapey scary part is pretty much the only thing that doesn't make any sense. I know my game doesn't suck that bad and she wasn't that hard either.

Well known commenter Lizard of Oz told you clearly the real deal , "This is the reddest of red flags" and you still don't get it. You don't get it, get it?

There is confident and there is suicide stupid. I've worked in many prisons and "Alpha confidence" is everywhere, but the owners are still in prison.

Any girl that mentions rape is a ticking bomb but you were lost in this narcissistic shit about how great you are. Lots of guys in prison think they're great. No one cares.

I am not kidding. LOO if i hadn't already I'd +1 for very well put risk management advice.