[GlobalMan]

(02-07-2016 08:51 AM)zatara Wrote:  

People who disparage either system as being completely wrong are just showing their ignorance/lack of experience.

I completely agree, as indicated in an earlier post:

(02-05-2016 05:55 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

I do not think people are questioning the quality of life and infrastructure. In general, those are very good in the E.U. Streets, food etc were all better in France than what I see in most the U.S.

[zatara]

(02-10-2016 02:16 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

I completely agree, as indicated in an earlier post:

I suggest you go back in the thread and read some of Samseau's posts, he is of a very different opinion to you.

(02-10-2016 01:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Samseau, I agree with the forum members who believe that travel is an important educational experience.

Serious offer: if you buy your own plane ticket and arrange your own visa (I can assist you with information on how to do this), I'll cover your expenses in Beijing for up to two weeks here in Beijing. I'll provide you with comfortable housing, a kitchen and groceries at your disposal and spending money each day.

You'll be able to see several once-in-a-life-time historic sites, including the Forbidden City and the Great Wall. I'll share with you my proven online dating method for Beijing, which should get you set up with enough dates with English speakers to pretty much guarantee you get laid. The housing I will provide you with offers just about the best logistics available any where in China.

On the weekend, we can hit the best clubs and you can show me your proven dance game method.

Normally, people would spend up to $10K on the vacation experience I'm offering you, but you can have it for the cost of an airline ticket and a visa processing fee.

You just have to say yes.

Quoting this in full for the new page because that's an amazingly generous offer everyone should see.

Suits, I really hope for his own sake Samseau takes you up on that. It would change his life. I would be surprised if he does though; its much easier to post 1000 times on the internet ranting about other countries than it is to visit them and see what they're actually like. Plus, all that time wasted traveling might take away from his top-ranking in his video games..

Hope I'm wrong though.

[Samseau]

(02-10-2016 01:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Samseau, I agree with the forum members who believe that travel is an important educational experience.

Serious offer: if you buy your own plane ticket and arrange your own visa (I can assist you with information on how to do this), I'll cover your expenses in Beijing for up to two weeks here in Beijing. I'll provide you with comfortable housing, a kitchen and groceries at your disposal and spending money each day.

You'll be able to see several once-in-a-life-time historic sites, including the Forbidden City and the Great Wall. I'll share with you my proven online dating method for Beijing, which should get you set up with enough dates with English speakers to pretty much guarantee you get laid. The housing I will provide you with offers just about the best logistics available any where in China.

On the weekend, we can hit the best clubs and you can show me your proven dance game method.

Normally, people would spend up to $10K on the vacation experience I'm offering you, but you can have it for the cost of an airline ticket and a visa processing fee.

You just have to say yes.

Damn, I would love to! This is insanely generous, but just remember one thing: be careful of what you wish for... I'll send you a PM with some idea of when I'd like to travel this year. Gotta do work in the meantime.

To all of my haters: Who says trolling doesn't pay? I just got a free vacation. In your faces. (I'm joking!! I don't troll, I make reasoned arguments that get under people's skin because they cannot refute them. Been doing it since I was a child. I have been thrown out of many classrooms by angry teachers.)

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Now, let me address the arguments being made against me.

FIRST, I have traveled, I have stated so many times on this forum. I hate repeating myself and I feel it makes no difference if people know where I have been. Regardless:

Within North America, I have been to Montreal and the Caribbean, and almost all of the East Coast. I have never been to the West Coast, but I meet people from the West Coast all the time because I live in an extremely popular city. The West Coast is beautiful, but culturally isn't much different than the rest of America.

Within Europe, I have been to London, and hated it because there was no culture there. I have been to Paris, and loved seeing nearly all of the major cultural landmarks. I went through the back of the Arc de la Defense, and on the other side I saw the unbelievably massive slums (hundreds of sq miles) pouring out through the back of the city of Paris with not a single White person in sight. I did a tour de France with some of my good European friends. I saw the beaches where the Canadians landed, went hiking through the Alps and saw gorgeous ruins of abandoned Catholic monasteries miles away from civilization. I toured Autin and saw the original panopticon developed by Jeremy Bentham, Autin's original Roman walls, amphitheatre, and temple, drank wine that was almost 100 years old, and slept in at a mansion while I was there. I floated through the Gorge du Verdun, and toured the Blue coast of France for a week. The weather, cliff diving, and sleeping at a villa overlooking one of the most beautiful vistas in the world will remain some of my fondest memories. I traveled through the shithole Mariselle, and saw the future of Islamic Europe.

On the way home from this trip, I stayed at Rakayvek, which I loved. The hot springs of Iceland are amazing. It's just such a damn shame Nordic people are so arrogant and uptight, otherwise their cultures would be perfect. It's a pity I didn't have game for this trip, because I missed many opportunities to get laid. I was still too beta.

Regardless, when people tell me I've never traveled or I don't know what traveling is, I laugh. What a joke. You have no idea who you're dealing with. Yet at the same time, I really don't have enough time to travel that much, and there are large parts of the world I've never been to, it's true. I'm not claiming to be the most experienced, not even close, but I know better than to accept many of the claims made by people in this thread.

First, I reject the idea that traveling is an unqualified good. There is the good way to travel, and the bad way. The alpha way, and the beta way. Most people do the beta/bad way. They go to their little secluded resorts/hostels, only interact with other travelers, get drunk and high the entire time just so they can say they went to foreign country X. If you think this is any better than playing a video game, you're lying to yourself. Traveling must be done with prior knowledge of an area, preferably with an experienced local to guide you, and the traveler must push themselves outside of their boundaries to learn anything. Simply saying "you've traveled" somewhere means nothing.

Second, I reject the idea that reading about a place cannot tell you about it. Reading the experience of other wise men is far more valuable than merely visiting a pile of rocks or talking to a bunch of "locals." I can't even count the times I've displayed more knowledge of a foreign country than a person who was directly from there because I was better read on their history than they were. The average Greek, Frenchman, German, American, Chinaman, etc. knows jack shit about their own places. Many of them do know deep history of their countries, but most are clueless on any other country so they lack anything to compare it to. Ignorance is the norm of humanity. Being well-read is one of the most valuable assets in the world. A man who travels without reading is like owning a luxury car that never leaves the garage. You've been to all of these great places, but you didn't actually know how to use your time while there.

Third, I stand by every single argument I've made against Europe in this thread. Europe's politics are toxic, the standards of living are lower than America by virtually any honest measure, and the chickens are coming home to roost for the Eurocucks as Islam takes over the continent. Ironically, it wasn't merely traveling and reading about Europe that convinced me: many of my best friends in the real world are immigrants to America who were escaping the shitholes of Europe/Russia. They were the ones who first sold me on the idea that the old world sucks and how much better America is. Then when I saw places like the slums of London, Paris, and Marseille did I realize what exactly they were talking about. If I were to show them this thread, they would shut down guys like Zatara without even trying. 80% of Europe's military spending are fluff social programs, only 20% has real purpose to it. I am very happy I got to see the old Europe before it is consumed by the Islamic cancer. Hopefully I can tell my grandkids about it someday, so they can vote for the next guy to ban Islam from America.

Have I missed anything? I stand by my analysis.

[quino_16]

^^^

@ Samseau

Good points. I don't really get why some people say you need to travel in order to understand a culture or country. Sure, if you travel to a country with the same intentions Alexis de Tocqueville had when he went to America, then traveling will indeed increase your understanding of the culture. However, I doubt most people, including guys on this forum, go to a country to learn about its culture with the depth and scale that de Tocqueville had.

[rudebwoy]

^ So how would you understand a country or it's culture if you haven't been there? I would love to know. I take it you have never been anywhere.

[Moma]

Innit, Rude, that's like me chatting about the social dynamics and culture of quino_16's high school when not only did I never attend but I didn't even visit either!

[Parzival]

Well you can also read a lot about game, but when you never approach its just theoretical.

[Dalaran1991]

While I respect Samseau's opinion, I can still say I dont know whether or not America is better than Europe. Right now Europe sucks because its cornerstone is not founded upon the basis of patriotism, so it got royally fucked up when it is culturally and demographically invaded. We have silly laws like being unable to evict a home invader. America and its die-hard individualism can better resist invasion, but it also produces stuff like "marriage to yourself", false rape claims, paying charges for refusing to serve gay customers etc. that Europeans roll their eyes from. And fat girls.

Just as you have met many European "fleeing Europe", I've met many Americans "fleeing" USA and swearing never going back there, and they are cool redpill people. I think this argument of "I've met people from x country fleeing their home because it's shitty there" doesn't hold for either side. You guys love countries like Vietnam or Philippines yet my friends and I were born there and have it easy there, yet we swear never go back to that place. It's just personal preferences.

Right now though I agree that I could really really do with a Second Amendment in Europe, no doubt about it, since we are at war. I would love having a shotgun in my house and being able to full blast it at any Muzzie/African fucker who enters my house uninvited. But if we're in peace time? I doubt I would trade that for fatter girls and worse food and all the history there. I was with an American RVF tonight having a drink near the Opéra in Paris, and he had to exclaim "this is so beautiful, they don't make buildings like this anymore" And I have to agree.

We're not in peace time however so I guess I can't refute Samseau and anyone who says America is better because they got gun (which they can't really use during peace time without huge legal trouble) Who knows how much time we have until the world comes crashing down on Europe? All that I and other redpillers can do is enjoying what Europe has to offer (good food, wine and beautiful girls from all different cultures) and make sure that we are ready when the storm strikes.

[quino_16]

(02-10-2016 03:21 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^ So how would you understand a country or it's culture if you haven't been there? I would love to know. I take it you have never been anywhere.

So if I were to go to Tokyo for a week and mostly stayed in my hotel does that mean I know Japan? Or if I were to go Siberia for a month without knowing Russian would that mean I know Russia?

Traveling is a broad and vague term with different implications. It has its limits in what you gain in terms of knowledge or understanding from a country and does not guarantee that you will know more about the country/culture in question than the nerd who has study the language and read five to ten books about the country.

I am not saying you will not learn anything if you travel somewhere. You probably will. However, traveling by itself won't give you a complete picture of whats going on and does not give anyone the intellectual authority over the knowledge or understanding of a particular country or region.

[rudebwoy]

^Your rebuttal makes no sense.

If you go to any country and stay in the hotel, you obviously won't know the place. Just like the people that go to an all-inclusive resort in the Caribbean and say the people are so friendly, they really have no idea how hard the life is for the people that live there.

Many Americans on this forum, don't even know about America. That is pretty clear to me.

Samseau - your a gamer. Enough said my friend, say no more.

America has massive slums in most major city, don't forget that. I assume you probably live in NYC, most boroughs in NYC are shitholes.

You said the UK has no culture, what exactly is the culture in America? Playing video games in your mom's basement, eating McDonalds, gaming fat chicks at the local mall in the food court, watching the ball game on your big screen TV.

[GlobalMan]

It's an oft repeated nonsense to accuse those who defend aspects of the U.S. as being ignorant/untraveled, implying that if someone has seen other lands it is impossible to appreciate the U.S.

I left the U.S. at 19, went to live in Thailand. In the 13 years since then I've traveled and lived in dozens of countries all over the world, including living in Europe. I've spent most of the last decade living outside of the U.S.

We don't all have to agree on the topic, but lets cut the crap with the implying those who favor a certain economic/political model must be doing so from a place of ignorance of the world.


Edit note: Of course, I can only speak for myself.

[Moma]

(02-10-2016 05:37 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

It's an oft repeated nonsense to accuse those who defend aspects of the U.S. as being ignorant/untraveled, implying that if someone has seen other lands it is impossible to appreciate the U.S.

I left the U.S. at 19, went to live in Thailand. In the 13 years since then I've traveled and lived in dozens of countries all over the world, including living in Europe. I've spent most of the last decade living outside of the U.S.

We don't all have to agree on the topic, but lets cut the crap with the implying those who favor a certain economic/political model must be doing so from a place of ignorance of the world.


Edit note: Of course, I can only speak for myself.

Read WHY people are objecting. The travelled members have clearly stated the differences between the CONTINENT of Europe and the COUNTRY known as the United States. I don't recall any of the travelled members saying that one was better than the other, it's about preference and temperament. I prefer pizza when I'm watching Netflix but I like bangers and mash when it's raining. Neither food is better than the other, they both hit you in different ways.

[zatara]

Samseau, from your description it sounds like you did one trip to Europe. Which is great actually, I expected less. Sounds like you had a good time too. However, one swallow does not a summer make. If someone had gone on one trip to Texas, read about it on the internet a lot, and had talked to a few expats you wouldn't exactly take them as an authority on the U.S. would you? They'd probably assume New York was full of Johnny Manziel fans in cowboy hats.

The idea that you can know more about a country by reading about it than visiting it is just plain bizarre. Feeding back to earlier in the thread, where you thought the only thing to do with time not spent working was "drink,
smoke and play video games" I think you're projecting your own negative perceptions of what-travel-is onto others. Maybe your peer group only goes on package holidays to the Caribbean, but I'd wager most of the members of this forum experience a lot more of foreign countries that they visit than that. And they're who you should be comparing yourself to, in this conversation at least.

Reading about the history and culture of a region is fantastic, and does add to a trip. But the part of travel thats not replicable from your mom's basement is the interactions you have with the locals and other travelers. Not just sleeping with the women either (though thats always fun), but in getting to see how average people live and what they believe in. Socialising with people who have a vastly different life, and views, to your own is eye-opening. It gets you out of the intellectual echo-chamber of your home culture/socio-economic class/peer group.

Aside from that, nature and activities can't be appreciated on wikipedia. Going skydiving over the Copacabana, scuba diving off Koh Tao, climbing Table Mountain in Cape Town - whatever floats your boat. These sorts of things aren't exactly niche activities either, thousands of tourists do them every day.

To take Parzival's excellent point and run with it, its exactly like someone who has read 1000 game threads on this forum but never had sex with a woman. Its theoretical knowledge versus practical. It's autistic learning versus heuristic learning.

Your last paragraph is exactly the type of overstatement that has many posters in this thread questioning your life experience - it just all sounds vaguely juvenile and excessive. Statements like "the chickens are coming home to roost for the Eurocucks as Islam takes over the continent", "80% of Europe's military spending are fluff social programs" etc. It's sophomoric "the sky is falling" Chicken Little stuff. If you re-orientated your points to where they were more realistic/accurate/fact based - certain regions of Europe are facing a massive problem with immigration, Germany needs to pivot its military away from a purely cold war defensive stance etc, nobody would disagree with you. And the quality of discourse would be rather elevated.

(02-10-2016 05:37 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

It's an oft repeated nonsense to accuse those who defend aspects of the U.S. as being ignorant/untraveled, implying that if someone has seen other lands it is impossible to appreciate the U.S.

Nobody is accusing anyone who defends the U.S. of being ignorant/untraveled though, its the people making posts attacking regions that show they clearly have no direct experience of said regions that are being questioned.

[Suits]

(02-10-2016 12:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-10-2016 01:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Samseau, I agree with the forum members who believe that travel is an important educational experience.

Serious offer: if you buy your own plane ticket and arrange your own visa (I can assist you with information on how to do this), I'll cover your expenses in Beijing for up to two weeks here in Beijing. I'll provide you with comfortable housing, a kitchen and groceries at your disposal and spending money each day.

You'll be able to see several once-in-a-life-time historic sites, including the Forbidden City and the Great Wall. I'll share with you my proven online dating method for Beijing, which should get you set up with enough dates with English speakers to pretty much guarantee you get laid. The housing I will provide you with offers just about the best logistics available any where in China.

On the weekend, we can hit the best clubs and you can show me your proven dance game method.

Normally, people would spend up to $10K on the vacation experience I'm offering you, but you can have it for the cost of an airline ticket and a visa processing fee.

You just have to say yes.

To all of my haters: Who says trolling doesn't pay? I just got a free vacation.

I should be clear that this offer is in no way a reward for anything you have posted.

This "free vacation" is more or less a standing offer available to any reasonably repped forum member, minus of course the spending money. That would be an optional courtesy I extend only because I don't want worries about being able to afford daily life in Beijing to stand in the way of your on-going education.

(02-10-2016 12:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I make reasoned arguments that get under people's skin because they cannot refute them.

There's no question that you are good at arguing, but this isn't evidence that you are correct, only that are better at arguing than other people.

Of course, this doesn't prove that you are wrong either, but it is worth noting that truth is what it is regardless of our ability to prove it.

The concern I have with many of the views you defend is that I can't shake the feeling that they appear to be views that are fueled by emotions and desires that could not be defended publicly.

It's my view that much of what you believe, although argued factually, could be used as justification to do great evil.

However, if my ten years of living international has taught me anything, it is that I should never jump to conclusions or be satisfied with assumptions. I may not be a fan of your posts, that doesn't mean that I would dislike you as a person. Perhaps this is the sort of idealism that you disprove of, but I don't like to write people off without trying to understand them first.

I'm confident that meeting you in person would be an educational experience for me and I would hope that it would be for you as well.

(02-10-2016 12:05 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I stand by my analysis.

Word.

[911Turbo]

As a person that has lived in Europe and US let me chime in. I read all of the 10 pages, amazed at the high quality of the discussion here. Both parties have valid polints, it has turned into some kind of pissing contest though.

I lived in Denmark for 4 years, hated every minute of it.

Denmark has free healthcare yes, but you wait 3-4 months to get even the most basic surgery. When something is free, the quality tends to decrease. I had to get a tonsil surgery, the surgeon told me I had to wait 6 months. Guess what I did? I flew to Russia, and had the surgery within 2 days for a very little cost.

It is frowned upon in the society if you are a successful person, success is punished, failure is tolerated, being average however is rewarded. At least two people in the topic made a reference to jante law, kudos to them.

There are so many people who abuse the welfare system, it is sad. I knew a guy who lived with his family and received his welfare check every month. Guess what he did with the money, bought electronics, spent it on drugs and booze. Today he continues to live off the state. Hard working people are supporting a lazy fucker who refuses to work. You will feel like an idiot after you start making big bucks and get hit by tax rates which are as high as 60%

Now I am in the US. It is not perfect, but at least people don't live off you. It is much easier to shine here and become successful. Hard work is appreciated. Success is rewarded.

But for at least 90% of the population, Europe is definitely a better place to live. You get way more vacation in EU, which you can use to travel around the world. A middle class european could easily afford to travel, but a middle class American can't. It is no surprise that 90% of the backpackers in South East Asia are either European or Aussie.

[LEMONed IScream]

The USA which is a country, has TREMENDOUS differences within it.

The European continent has even more striking differences, in a smaller space (not counting Russia here).

It is extremely hard to compare the two as a whole without engaging in intellectual dishonesty when even within themselves they are radically different.

[Moma]

Lemonade is right. USA is really unique and difficult to manage as it's technically a continent which is summarised into a country. Every state is different and some states so drastically different from the other, it is like night and day. Some individual states are larger than some European countries. There are Americans who like particular states and have as much loathing for certain other states as a European would have for the stereotypical view of the US (mistakenly sweeping the American experience under the impression of one state).

I personally don't see any other country in the West that offers as much variety in lifestyle and mentality than the US ALSO speaking English (although the strains of English can vary quite significantly). With the EU, Europe tried to offer the same thing that the US offered and although one can move anywhere one wants in the EU, the problem is, each country is still governed by a DIFFERENT language. Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, Swedish, German, Swiss..it's too much effort at this point of the game to reset the clock for ME personally.

With America, if you don't like where you are at, you just pick up and go to another city or another state and you are still in the same country and really only need to speak English. I do agree that healthcare in Europe is paltry especially for custom stuff such as sports injuries and so forth. I had a shoulder injury that on the NHS was taking FOREVER to address. Join the queue. In the US, you can just pay that money and go to a specialist who will correct that so quickly, you will think it's a scam.

The US is more of a gamble, I agree. It's really built for entrepreneurial exploits. You are playing yourself if you moved to US for a regular 9 to 5. As 911Turbo accurately explained, you are really squeezed for vacation time in the US by the companies. Your vacation time is like daytime talk mins with a 10 dollar phone plan, quite limited, LOL.

I was out the other night (solo lizard hunting mission) and I met a guy who had his own business. He wasn't the sharpest cookie in the jar but he was a very nice guy. He had a condo on the beach, a home about 30 mins away and had trucks. In US, you only need to be reasonably versed in what you offer, find a decent marketing platform or have a solid lock on a customer base and then you can bank quite comfortably. In Europe, you don't have as much comfort to operate, you have to be sharper (on the whole). Regarding the US gamble, as men we are risk takers by nature. For those of us who are from immigrant parents which includes EVERY SINGLE American except for the blacks and the native Americans (Red Indian), it was the men who immigrated first. When the men immigrated first, they got settled and then they brought their wives over, whom they had already married before living or they found by going back.

Lizards tend to love the pace in Europe more as it's safer and more family driven but US is where single men who have fire in their belly can really take it to the rack.

This is my personal opinion naturally and I naturally have friends in Europe who would disagree on it. Again, summarised earlier by members very adequately, one has to know and be honest with their own temperament to know where they fit in. America can be very extreme and in your face with all that rah rah shyt. I'm accustomed to that as I am a Naija boi and you get the same behaviour in Naija. Although British colonialisation tempered Naija behaviour somewhat, their spirit tends to have them more in alignment with US than UK.

I've never met a Naija person who has moved to US, found it was too much for them and bolted for Europe. Usually, it's the other way round (they moved to Europe, found it was too restricting for them and bolted for US).

[911Turbo]

I think the best way to gauge the financial success of the average joe in a country is to look at the median wealth per person.

In terms of Average wealth, US is number one, however average wealth is not an indicator of what average joe is.

So we have to look at median wealth.



Notice how America is nowhere to be seen?

[It_is_my_time]

European countries now having to enact negative interest rates. It is over for their system. It is only a matter of time, and it will no be much longer either. Sadly the USA is slowly following in the same footsteps, but the USA has longer until economic collapse due to our more "free" or "harsh" system, how ever you view it.

[The Beast1]

I've lived long enough in the UK to agree 100% with Samsaeu's opinion at least for England. In the next few years I will be transferred to major offices in France, Germany, Poland, and Italy. Then to other continents like South Africa, India, Australia, and Hong Kong so we'll see if my opinion changes or not.

So far everything that I have seen in America vs Britain has been the following. America is way better. The US has more food variety (albeit slightly more expensive), goods are cheaper, services are cheaper, property is cheaper, dang just about everything is cheaper.

@911Turbo, it's funny you put that on there but in it is disingenuous to put countries likes Belgium and say,"they're so much richer."

Belgium is the seat of the EU and as such contains a ton of do nothing unelected bureaucrats and politicians who gorge on EU tax money and then the associated services that help them push paper.

Australia also back in 2014 was also gorging on a fake commodities boom thanks to China building ghost cities.

We're going to see some paradigm shifts in the next few years that are going to flip what we see as western comforts on it heads. A lot of people's standard of living will drop.

[Vicious]

Quote:

^ False. Do forums like this even exist in Europe? They would be shut down.

The amount of misinformation you're spewing knows no end. The most popular forum in Scandinavia for example is staunchly anti-immigration. http://www.flashback.org Get out of the house and experience life.

[Samseau]

(02-12-2016 01:42 AM)911Turbo Wrote:  

I think the best way to gauge the financial success of the average joe in a country is to look at the median wealth per person.

In terms of Average wealth, US is number one, however average wealth is not an indicator of what average joe is.

So we have to look at median wealth.



Notice how America is nowhere to be seen?

This chart is misleading because it compares countries of disproportionate size to each other. America has 300+ million people, it cannot be compared to individual countries.

More accurate would be comparing median wealth across individual states to individual European countries, or comparing the entirety of Europe to the entirety of America (America smokes Europe), or comparing the races (White Americans to White Europeans). Then you will see the truth.

Quote:

The amount of misinformation you're spewing knows no end. The most popular forum in Scandinavia for example is staunchly anti-immigration. http://www.flashback.org Get out of the house and experience life.

First time you've provided any constructive information to the discussion in God knows how long.

Interesting thread:
https://www.flashback.org/t1851601p70

And it will not be long before Flashback is shut down. Probably gone before the end of the year if not the founders will be cast into total exile.

[rudebwoy]

(02-12-2016 04:01 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

European countries now having to enact negative interest rates. It is over for their system. It is only a matter of time, and it will no be much longer either. Sadly the USA is slowly following in the same footsteps, but the USA has longer until economic collapse due to our more "free" or "harsh" system, how ever you view it.

Negative interests are projected for this year in North America.

Some say economic collapse has already started in the USA, we are certainly feeling the burden in Canada.

Why is it, no one wants to talk about the millions of poor people in the USA?

Please stop painting America to be some beautiful utopia, it ain't.

http://povertyinamerica.mit.edu/

http://www.povertyusa.org/

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/d...ables.html

[911Turbo]

I would like to touch a different issue. During the recent attacks against ROK readers, and members we saw how important it is to have passive income. Without passive income you can't consider yourself to be free. Thousands of crazed feminists, and SJWs were trying to doxx us, and report us to our employers even though none of us broke the law or did anything wrong.

Rightedly so, many of our readers in Canada and US were paranoid about being doxxed. Because there is a huge chunk of us who hold 100k$ + paying jobs. In US if you get fired, you don't get any unemployment benefits like in Germany. For example If I was working in Germany I would feel less paranoid about being doxxed. Who cares, If I get fired, those SJWS will pay for my paycheck. But it aint the same thing in USA. You can fall very hard, and it can take time for you to recover.

This is why I insist that passive income is very important, no matter where you live. With decent amount of passive income like dividend stocks, you can tell everyone to fuck off. You would be freer, wouldn't care much about being doxxed.

I just hope all fellow members of this forum, achieve financial independence, because with financial independence, comes freedom of speech. Lets get real, without financial independence, none of us are free, no matter where we live.

[rudebwoy]

^They don't pay unemployment insurance in the USA?

Wow, never heard that before.