[Rawmeo]

The thrist is real. Just check any fat girl on Facebook that has >500 "friends" and see the comments on her fattie jell-o profile picture.

[jjtheprince]

Not just fat ones (5'4" & 200lbs), but even ENORMOUS ones (5'4" & 350+lbs) will have orbiters.

[Hairz]

If you're in a LTR then hell no. My previous ex (because of who I sort of ended up on here) had some male friends. I was on holiday with her in her country and her friend was all touchy and stuff with her. He'd put a hand on her waist while he was talking to her. She didn't seem to notice. She was writing to her guy friends as well and wouldn't show me the phone when i asked - I got insecure and was in another country. Total frame collapse and she sensed it and tried to push it. Those were huge red flags so I dropped her.

Sorry but men and women are attracted to each other. Guys are just looking to stick it in her. I'd she's mad at you she can call 1 of them and fuck them.


If she's just a fwb why care as long as she doesn't do it when you're around?

[The Beast1]

Take it in holistically. This is just one aspect of a woman that needs to be considered among other criteria.

The trick of the matter is, if you're banging the girl regularly you don't have to really worry about her straying with orbiters. I dated a raging slut of a girl. Super slut, talking 100+ partners (she never told me, though I don't really care).

She had a few orbiters she called friends and would regularly spend time with them. I met them and quite honestly not only were they not a threat, they hated me with reckless abandon. Yet she still banged me. Limp wristed blue pill to the max. I honestly think she kept blue pill guys around for the validation.

Honestly, just make sure you bang her long and good. Slap her ass a few times, pick her up, treat her like a little girl, etc. She won't go anywhere.

I can legitimately say I only knew one guy who was a mild threat. Russian guy who played in a band that had amazing genetics. He was a good friend and much respect. Beyond that, the only guys who I would track as genuine threats would be celebrities and high level athletes.

Even then, if your broad bails on you then it's an excellent excuse to cut her loose. When it comes to women, if they screw up NEXT!

[BassPlayaYo]

(10-23-2015 08:29 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  

Been dating a girl for a while and she keeps pushing for LTR status. She's not too bad and has decent qualities but a glaring issue for me is she has a handful of close guy "friends." These are guys she's been close friends with well before meeting me so it may not be reasonable for me to expect her to drop these people. She said she doesn't cross boundaries with these guys. She said they "catch up" time to time in person and won't go drinking together but will go to dinners or meals. From what I can tell though, they text a lot and sometimes talk on the phone to "catch up".

She's in her early 20s and she says all her friends have close guy "friends." Maybe it's some sort of generational thing where these young people no know boundaries (as more evidence of or society's decay). There's also that study (http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...t-friends/) that states men are basically all attracted to their female friends and thought that their female friends were attracted to them too but on the female side, the women had no or little attraction to their guy friends and expected the same from the other side (although I'm not sure if I buy this from the female side).

Is this just the way things are now with chicks? Is this a huge recipe for disaster?

The question here is: What if the roles were reversed? What if you had the close gal "friends", texting, talking, going out...would she be cool with that? Would all of her "friends" be cool with that as well. Don't bother asking, the answer is a resounding NO! You my friend are on the slippery slope of double standards. Things that okay for women to do but not okay for men to do. You really have to think about why you want to be involved in a LTR with this person. What will you get out of it? How will it benefit you? How will it improve your life? If you don't have answers to these questions you shouldn't be thinking about a LTR with this person. You can be assured that she has answers for all of these questions which is why she wants you to go along with her program.

You want to practice abundance thinking, there's plenty of women out there behaving in the way that this woman does, you want to seriously consider the women that aren't engaged in the same kind of behavior as this woman.

[PapayaTapper]

OP You are getting pure wisdom gold in this thread.

(10-23-2015 08:38 PM)eatthishomie Wrote:  

Most likely beta orbiters who want to fuck her but won't. Don't worry too much but keep ya head up, run that dread game, and be prepared to lose her at any time.

^^^ This. No question they all want to fuck her. But you shouldn't give a shit....read on.

(10-23-2015 09:24 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

Then keep gaming other women, and keep her in rotation.

(10-24-2015 12:20 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

I disagree with the ultimatums, better to just put her on rotation and concentrate on fucking other girls. Invite her over once or twice a week and fuck her brains out and then forget about her and all her drama when she isn't around.

^^^^ This. I've written it numerous times but I think it's worth repeating. If I end up banging a chick more than once and it looks like it might continue I lay this down..."I don't sleep with women/chicks who are sleeping with other men/dudes" Not an ultimatum...just a statement of FACT It serves several purposes: Puts her on notice and establishes my exit.

(10-24-2015 02:57 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

The other posters(your friends) have advised you what to do and how to proceed. They're telling you to maintain a strong frame. Tell her you will not LTR her, tell her she can go if she doesn't like it.

^^^Do this and mean it and you will keep her as long as YOU decide

(10-24-2015 06:56 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The mistake is trying to wife this chick, or any chick.

WIA

^^^^AND Last but not least. I think the biggest mistake a young guy can make in this day and age is even consider whether a girl is "LTR" material in advance. That should just happen over time "naturally" from the male/female dynamic:

You meet, you bang, you like & she like, you bang again
you like & she like, you bang again,
you like & she like, you bang again,
you like & she like, you bang again,
you like & she like, you bang again,
you like & she like, you bang again,

...eventually lo and behold you've been doing this for "long" enough that it's an LTR. The "R" part of that equation is up to you

Just remember this "They're all whores except your mom and the one you marry"...Anonymous (but told to me by my Dad)

[AnonymousBosch]

If you really want to gauge her trustworthiness, take a closer look at her circle of friends. Are they mainly male? If so, other women don't trust her.

[eradicator]

(10-27-2015 07:51 PM)jjtheprince Wrote:  

Not just fat ones (5'4" & 200lbs), but even ENORMOUS ones (5'4" & 350+lbs) will have orbiters.

This can't possibly be true, how could any man physically find the vagina on a 5'4 350 pounder to get his dick in her snatch for penetrative sex? I have to say "bullshit" to that. Unless you are talking about online male attention and the woman is better at covering up her fat than she should be and could pass for much thinner but only puts up head shots.

[PapayaTapper]

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

The question here is: What if the roles were reversed? What if you had the close gal "friends", texting, talking, going out...would she be cool with that? Would all of her "friends" be cool with that as well. Don't bother asking, the answer is a resounding NO! You my friend are on the slippery slope of double standards. Things that okay for women to do but not okay for men to do. You really have to think about why you want to be involved in a LTR with this person. What will you get out of it? How will it benefit you? How will it improve your life? If you don't have answers to these questions you shouldn't be thinking about a LTR with this person. You can be assured that she has answers for all of these questions which is why she wants you to go along with her program.

You want to practice abundance thinking, there's plenty of women out there behaving in the way that this woman does, you want to seriously consider the women that aren't engaged in the same kind of behavior as this woman.

The roles can't be reversed. A man remains a man even if he's a chode and a woman remains a woman even if she's a slut...but they are never reversed

[AneroidOcean]

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

The question here is: What if the roles were reversed?

No. That is not the question. Men and women are vastly different, you can't flip the roles and expect things to be the exact same.

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

What if you had the close gal "friends", texting, talking, going out...would she be cool with that? Would all of her "friends" be cool with that as well. Don't bother asking, the answer is a resounding NO!

What her friends are cool with is mostly irrelevant. It's what she'll tolerate.

The answer is not a resounding no if you have solid frame and a large social circle including plenty of females. It is a balancing act that actually makes your relationship stronger when a woman knows that you're socially savvy and have a plethora of options (even if you don't act on them).

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

You my friend are on the slippery slope of double standards. Things that okay for women to do but not okay for men to do.

What does that mean? The slippery slope of double standards? That sounds like some serious hamster you got going on there. There are a variety of things that affect men and women differently and which men and women should do differently.

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

You really have to think about why you want to be involved in a LTR with this person. What will you get out of it? How will it benefit you? How will it improve your life? If you don't have answers to these questions you shouldn't be thinking about a LTR with this person. You can be assured that she has answers for all of these questions which is why she wants you to go along with her program.

This is the only reasonable part of your advice. I agree that this girl is not worth it if even in the OPs words she's just okay.

(11-03-2015 02:47 PM)BassPlayaYo Wrote:  

You want to practice abundance thinking, there's plenty of women out there behaving in the way that this woman does, you want to seriously consider the women that aren't engaged in the same kind of behavior as this woman.

If this girl has a lot of guy friends that she flirts with or gets touchy-feely with or with which she spends a lot of time away from you then yes you should consider nexting her. However, if these are long-time school friends and it's pretty obvious that nothing has ever gone on between them, why would you care at all that the guy orbiter would love to fuck her? It shouldn't even be on your radar. Her behaviour is what will determine your choice.

[BassPlayaYo]

(11-04-2015 03:00 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

No. That is not the question. Men and women are vastly different, you can't flip the roles and expect things to be the exact same.

Men and women aren't vastly different, questionable behavior is questionable behavior. If I engage in a behavior and give you grief about engaging the same behavior that's a double standard and calls into question my motives for criticizing you.

(11-04-2015 03:00 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

What her friends are cool with is mostly irrelevant. It's what she'll tolerate.

The answer is not a resounding no if you have solid frame and a large social circle including plenty of females. It is a balancing act that actually makes your relationship stronger when a woman knows that you're socially savvy and have a plethora of options (even if you don't act on them).

In this particular case it seems that the OP isn't as engaged if at all with his female friends as this women is with her male friends. This is actually irrelevant because the push by her for a LTR is basically a shit test.

(11-04-2015 03:00 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

What does that mean? The slippery slope of double standards? That sounds like some serious hamster you got going on there. There are a variety of things that affect men and women differently and which men and women should do differently.

Double standards are the reason why things affect men differently, why men get taken to the cleaners in a divorce, why women feel justified cheating but vilify men for doing the same. This site exist so that men act in their own self interests to overcome these double standards.

(11-04-2015 03:00 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

If this girl has a lot of guy friends that she flirts with or gets touchy-feely with or with which she spends a lot of time away from you then yes you should consider nexting her. However, if these are long-time school friends and it's pretty obvious that nothing has ever gone on between them, why would you care at all that the guy orbiter would love to fuck her? It shouldn't even be on your radar. Her behaviour is what will determine your choice.

Nothing is obvious, this babe is in her early 20's and women usually use these "orbiters" as a leveraging device (golden pussy effect) against guys that are not following along with their program. Women that are honoring a man do not engage in the type of behavior described. This is a classic case of don't listen to what they say but look at what they do.

[trawler]

Going hard early there BassPlaya. You're not going to get a lot of love fighting for gender equality here.

...The reason being, it just doesn't matter. We men do what we want. Call it double standards if you want (it is, because we do one thing and expect women to do the other; it's not, because men and women are inherently different, with different biological/evolutionary pressures), but the point is that I'm only going to let a woman into my life if she conforms to what I want a woman in my life to be.

Part of that is her not restricting me, and what I want to do.

It might sound controversial if you're new to the idea, but I was personally amazed when I realised this (red pill transition) - most girls are totally fine with it. Because they WANT it. They WANT to be with a player. They don't inherently want to be players themselves. So if they see their man being able to get other girls (whether he actually does or not), that makes them proud and gives them validation. They'll only be interested in other guys if you're not doing your job properly. It's not double standards, and even if it is, it's not something we have a problem with.