[Barron]

Video removed, alternate link?
I can't find one without the annoying beeping that censors the profanity

[Surreyman]

(10-16-2015 02:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 02:18 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

(10-16-2015 02:00 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

Hooray for multiculturalism!

Seriously though, she should be commended for having the guts to confront people in public like that. You can call her uppity, ratchet, whatever you want, but she's got more balls than the men who are too afraid and cucked to speak out against the migrant invasion.

Well exactly.

I'm glad to see she's picked the right side, hopefully more of the black British community will realise that Islam poses as much risk to them as it does to anyone.

I get immigrants, but the real problems are these crazy ass sharia law protesting fuckers.

I'm not a Brit, from what it looks like, you guys have a big problem with this.

I'm curious, did the ease of immigration laws cause this ? Why is this fundamentalism different (it seems like)?

They let in a lot of 'bad apples' from Pakistan, hardly vetting people at all.

My stepmother was an air hostess for BA many years ago, apparently no cabin crew wanted to do the Lahore (or Karachi) route, and they would call in sick most of the time for that route. They would have people trying to shit in the aisles, and others who didn't know how to sit on a chair properly, etc.

Point being, the vetting process for immigrants from Pakistan was pretty much zero, and you had ignorant types from the hills turning up in Britain, and these are their children. I don't know if we suffer that same problem with any other minority.

[Phoenix]

Quality rant, did enjoy.

[MTLer]

(10-16-2015 08:43 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

MTLer is either lying deliberately or simply uninformed.

51% of Muslims in the USA want Sharia and 60% of Muslim youth in the US are more loyal to ISLAM than the USA.

The problem is with the religion of Islam. Islam is a religion of war and conquest that promotes death to all non-Muslims.

Lol, what kind of redneck retard would actually gobble up wholesale made up stats and freakishly trollish narratives from the likes of Pamela Geller, no-go sharia in Minnesota? Maybe you can ask Roosh's parent if he wanted to come to the US from Iran in order to set up sharia law, lolz. You're a bit dim bro, if not outright brainwashed.

[H1N1]

The woman in question has now been arrested for a 'racially aggravated public order offense'. The whole concept of an offense being more serious because feelings were extra hurt as a result of it, or that a crime is somehow worse because of the motivation behind it, should offend the good sense and reason of every thoughtful member of our society.

[MTLer]

She deserves to be arrested, she went beyond harassing the other women with racial slurs, she aggressively threatened to physically hurt the pregnant women, repeatedly. I don't know why the driver didn't have her ejected from his bus, too much of a pussy.

[Fast Eddie]

(10-16-2015 08:16 PM)MTLer Wrote:  

Also, the thought of "Sharia zones" in the US or in Europe is kind of ridiculous. Most muslims in America don't want it. You'd have to be totally retarded to think that those who would want it, which are a very small proportion of that community, which is itself 1-2% of the population, could ever impose that. It's a kind of irrational phobia that's carefully crafted by the media and designed to focus the attention of gullible people away from the main problems in their society.

Speaking of retarded...are you suggesting that because Muslims are currently "only 2%" of the population and thus cannot impose Sharia law on us, we just let their numbers increase until they are able to do so? That's pretty damn retarded, I completely agree. I think most people would say you'd have to be pretty retarded to look at an early stage melanoma on your forearm and not worry about it until it spreads to your eyes, balls, and brain and kills you.

But then again, you're also a guy who claims the Media is stirring up fears of Muslims...the very same media that in reality tells us the true evil is not Islamist terrorism but rather imaginary "Islamophobic backlashes" that never materialize and that turns crowds composed 90% of young Muslim male invaders into pictures of women with young children. So I wouldn't put anything past you.

[RedPillUK]

hey MTLr you're actually the brainwashed one, its not your fault though, its hard to escape the propaganda living in that SJW stronghold.

Before I knew anything about Islam, I too assumed it was just a harmless religion with maybe some extremists, like other religions.

Educate yourself.

Here is a video which shows you the MAJORITY of muslims in EVERY COUNTRY are behind sharia law, honour killings, and other extremism.

[MTLer]

You have many countries that are 100% moslem, like Tunisia, Senegal or Turkey that don't have or want Sharia law, but you think that it's going to be applied in the US because of those 1.5% of muslim immigrants?!? Their numbers are never going to increase beyond 5-10% even 100 years from now (by which time your grandchildren and mine will be speaking spanish anyway), and most of these are college-educated middle-class immigrants that are more educated than the average American. Fearing sharia law in the US is on the same level as fear of a martian invasion, it's a sign of mild cultural retardation, rooted in total ignorance of demographics or the basic cultural nature of immigrants.

Second, you're under laws that are far worse than sharia law; divorce, custody, sexcrime courts are completely biased towards women, if I was a man facing divorce court I'd much prefer their sharia laws than our femenazi sharias.

[MTLer]

Right redpillUK, because Ben Shapiro doesn't have an agenda, unfortunately that type of highly manipulative propaganda is pervasive and efficient.

[Surreyman]

(10-17-2015 11:10 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

hey MTLr you're actually the brainwashed one, its not your fault though, its hard to escape the propaganda living in that SJW stronghold.

Before I knew anything about Islam, I too assumed it was just a harmless religion with maybe some extremists, like other religions.

Educate yourself.

Here is a video which shows you the MAJORITY of muslims in EVERY COUNTRY are behind sharia law, honour killings, and other extremism.

I get a feeling that MTLr is an apologist for this sort of belief system.

Whilst we all here agree that the Cultural Marxist left is an abhorrent ideology wreaking havoc on our society, we mustn't fall into the trap of prematurely jumping on board with anyone else who happens to also be against modern leftism.

Whilst the left is fundamentally degenerate, I would still much rather live in their society than in a fundamentalist Muslim country (or really any Muslim country). Modern leftism is a hiccup in European/American progress. It's a dead end in our societal evolution that will die out eventually. Islam is an entirely different animal, it is the most reactionary ideology on the planet.

Winston Churchill said it very well:

Quote:

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

I pose this question to any RVF Islam apologist: Would you rather live in Sweden or Iran?

[Phoenix]

(10-17-2015 11:45 AM)MTLer Wrote:  

Right redpillUK, because Ben Shapiro doesn't have an agenda, unfortunately that type of highly manipulative propaganda is pervasive and efficient.

Are you attacking the argument or the man, MTLer? We don't tolerate this level of intellectual limp-dickedness here.

(10-17-2015 11:47 AM)Surreyman Wrote:  

Would you rather live in Sweden or Iran?

Sweden, but I'd rather live in Indonesia than Britain

[AFspecOps]

The concern I have it that we seem to be falling into a pattern that disregards separation of church and state. It's a slippery slope. Hopefully we will never have a parallel legal system in the US, such as what we hear is happening over in the UK (over 80 Sharia courts there now?), but we should be concerned about our governmental institutions becoming Sharia COMPLIANT. We are seeing examples of this now every week, such as footbaths being installed in university dorms, private 'ladies' only swim times at city pools (to accommodate Muslim women), federal prisons banning pork products from their menus, gov't school cafeterias paying extra money to become halal certified, etc. No other group of people makes these kinds of demands on us.

[MTLer]

Right, I'd much rather live in Indonesia, Malaysia or Turkey than Sweden. I've actually been to all these countries. Also, the Swedish education system and genderfucked/Brave New World cultural norms are a lot scarier IMHO.

My ex's dad, from a British expat family living in America who's been pussy-whipped all his married life moved to Kuala Lumpur for his job and ended up not coming back, marrying a local woman who treated him far better and appreciated his working 60hrs/wk, which he had done for decades.

Phoenix, saying that Shapiro has an agenda is not "intellectual limp-dickedness", to the contrary. It seems like I am the recipient of "attacking the man" here... Shapiro is aligned with the neocons that run the US, Canada, the UK and France to name just a few countries. His video is manipulative and superficial, equating, for example, 911 skepticism with radicalism.

[Bey]

(10-17-2015 11:47 AM)Surreyman Wrote:  

I pose this question to any RVF Islam apologist: Would you rather live in Sweden or Iran?

I've never been to either, but I'm going to say Iran.

[MTLer]

I haven't been to Iran either, but pre-Khomeiny, Iran was a very good place to live. The theocracy in place is largely a long-term result of the US having overthrown the democratically-elected, secular government of Mossadegh (codenamed Operation Ajax).

[KorbenDallas]

I know a guy from Senegal. He told me they have a huge group of extremists, 3 million, who cause problems for everybody.

The poll I stated was a Pew Research poll.

MTLer is a troll. It is obvious to everyone in the world muslims are a huge problem. They can't even live in peace with Hindus or Buddhists, those countries with majority Buddhists are starting to drive Muslims out.

AS far as I can tell, the Shia's aren't too bad, but I would rather the States not accept anymore, no matter what murderous branch there from.


Muhammad was a pedophile bandit who Arabs worship five times a day and kill people who draw pictures of him, have no concept of freedom of speech, and who generally don't assimilate at all when they are immigrants, they simply bide their time to try and take over.

[KorbenDallas]

Also, two Muslim extremists tried to kill Pamela Geller in the United States just because she organized an art exhibition!

If Muslims in the US are already organizing to kill artists in the US, how can we let more in?

[MTLer]

Korben, you're from Dallas, Texas, and you know a guy from Senegal, so you're an expert on Islam in Senegal. OK, dude. I've known dozens.

Label me as a troll for putting forth a certain amount of reflection and perspective into a simplistic narrative pushed on US and UK rednecks, but none of your statements above really stand to reasoned scrutiny. Just parsing some of your statements in your last post alone:

-Muslims have long been a persecuted minority in many Asian countries including Burma and Thailand.
-One of Muhamad's wife is alleged to have been 9yo, but according to academic historians (as opposed to propagandists like Geller or Shaprio) she might have been as old as 19
-Arabs aren't exclusively muslems, and the great majority of muslims aren't arab.
-Half of muslims immigrants in countries like France marry outside their religion.

[KorbenDallas]

I'm not from Dallas, first off, my username is from a movie. So, you are wrong about that.

Secondly, I didn't say all Arabs are muslims. There are a rapidly decreasing amount of Arabs of other faiths whom ISIS and other Islamic radicals have been systematically raping and killing.

So what if half of Muslims marry outside their religion in France?

Muslims still kill people over artwork they don't like and they killed Hans Teeuwen's friend for making a movie, and they are still a huge minority in Europe.

IF they are already offing artists, and filmakers as a huge minority, and trying to kill Art Exhibitors in the US as an even smaller minority, it is clear Islam is incompatible with west.

I don't care if you feel Muslims are treated bad in Thailand, I care about my country where they are treated great and still are more loyal to their religion than country and a majority want Sharia law.


And why do you keep calling me a redneck. Insulting people for no purpose doesn't solve anything.

[KorbenDallas]

Three Moderate Muslim women have no idea how free speech works. It is simply incomprehensible to them that their religion should be open to criticism and they're moderates!

[MTLer]

You base your belief system on dutch trash TV?

I haven't called you personally a redneck KorbenDallas, just that type of belief system that you seem to endorse and that is popular in flyover parts of the US where people have little concept of the outside world.

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There are a rapidly decreasing amount of Arabs of other faiths whom ISIS and other Islamic radicals have been systematically raping and killing

That's the kind of fantasy narrative that drives a hysterical view of global politics with no grounding whatsoever in reality or rational reasoning. 80% of the killing in Syria has bee done by the Assad regime, and most of the dead are muslim civilians. Most Syrians (muslims included) don't regard ISIS as a real muslim movement, because they are in fact a bunch of mercenaries funded and enabled by gulf countries and NATO.

You have that crazy atheist dude in Oregon killing christians, that other crazy atheist in NC killing 3 muslems, and that's just two cases this year, that doesn't mean that you draw blanket statements and say that atheists are fanatical killers. There are what, 20 million muslims in W Europe, how many of them have killed artists? If you really wanted to label people on the basis of the murders among them, Americans would be on top of the list with somethng like 15k-18k homicides every year. But of course even then that would be way too simplistic.

[Foolsgo1d]

(10-17-2015 09:23 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

The woman in question has now been arrested for a 'racially aggravated public order offense'. The whole concept of an offense being more serious because feelings were extra hurt as a result of it, or that a crime is somehow worse because of the motivation behind it, should offend the good sense and reason of every thoughtful member of our society.

In a country which allows known Muslim antagonists to protest troops coming home with "behead all infidels" I'd say its on point.

[Hades]

I'm sure a lot of SJWs are surprised that a black lady is voicing her prejudices against Muslims. Sounds pretty ethnocentric (dare I say, racist) to believe that only whites have to ability (but not permission) to have prejudices against other races and/or religions.

(10-17-2015 03:35 PM)MTLer Wrote:  

Korben, you're from Dallas, Texas, and you know a guy from Senegal, so you're an expert on Islam in Senegal. OK, dude. I've known dozens.

Label me as a troll for putting forth a certain amount of reflection and perspective into a simplistic narrative pushed on US and UK rednecks, but none of your statements above really stand to reasoned scrutiny. Just parsing some of your statements in your last post alone:

-Muslims have long been a persecuted minority in many Asian countries including Burma and Thailand.
-One of Muhamad's wife is alleged to have been 9yo, but according to academic historians (as opposed to propagandists like Geller or Shaprio) she might have been as old as 19
-Arabs aren't exclusively muslems, and the great majority of muslims aren't arab.
-Half of muslims immigrants in countries like France marry outside their religion.

A lot of those same academic historians will assert that desert wifery is different than the Christian method, the custom in many old nomadic desert tribes (a lot of Africa too, not coincidentally) would 'marry' prepubescent females and not consummate the marriage some time later. Consummating a marriage when the wife was 12 or 13 was not terribly uncommon, however.

I'm also not sure if you're aware of the accuracy of supposed redneck sources, but it's written in the Sunni's particular Hadith itself that Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was six or seven years old and nine when the marriage was consummated.

The idea that his child bride was older is a 20th century notion put forth by one Pakistani writer named Muhammad Ali, who goes through a lot of elaborate historical deduction to state that she could not have been younger than 15. If you play with the chronology a bit she could have possibly have been as old as 19, hence the number you've gotten.

Academic scholars, being generally Western and running generally liberal politically, are going to parrot a contradictory or challenging number or bit of esoterica far and wide within their narrow circle until what is stated frequently enough goes from educated guess all the way to "well informed and highly regarded historical narrative and/or reinterpreted translation".

This sort of communication within academic circles happens doubly quickly and is rarely met with resistance when it confirms the cognitive biases of typical academics. I'm not going to elaborate on what sort of biases.

All that particular bullshit being said, this is still part of the Sunni scripture, it was considered proper Bedouin marriage custom at the time and for hundreds of years after, and would not have bothered any of Muhammad's contemporaries whatsoever. Academics can quibble about the age all they want but Muhammad's child bride was considered a fact by Islam's own scholars and adherents for basically thirteen hundred years.

The main reason there's even questioning regarding the age of his wife is a modern and narcissistic notion that we have to remake past figures in our own image and conform them to our own ideals, or at the very least, seed enough doubt so people like yourself can do the mental gymnastics necessary to argue against what was, had been, and in many circles, still is regarded as fact.

Just that in itself, that you feel you have to state that Muhammad's bride was not, in fact, a child, and obliquely referring to a singular text written by one man contradicting the sum total of Islamic thought and scripture for the last 1300 years and dismissing accurate information as propaganda goes to show that you condemn the practice of marrying an adult man to a young child but apparently go to some lengths to defend Islam. Why do you think this is?

Not that I give a shit, but you should reconsider your stance or at the least shrug your shoulders and admit that 600 AD was a different time and place than today.

[MTLer]

I am not a scholar on the subject or theology in general, but from what I've gathered, the question of that wife's age is a grey area. This is one of the articles I've read:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...isha-truth

"...Taking all known accounts and records of Aisha's age at marriage, estimates of her age range from nine to 19.
Because of this, it is impossible to know with any certainty how old Aisha was."