[rome26]

http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/educati...touch=true

The link above includes a story of two Saint Louis University students who engaged in consensual sex hours after meeting each other. Two months later after the consensual act, the man involved got a letter informing him, he was now being investigated for sexual assault.

The article brings into question, how is one able to know whether a woman is too drunk to consent. In addition to that the article, also, brings into question whether or not college campuses are capable of conducting sexual assault charges apart from the authority of the law.

[CleanSlate]

Care to write a summary of what's in the link? At least post an excerpt?

It's irritating to click on a thread with the expectation of reading a post with good content, only to see nothing but a link.

[rome26]

I'll have the time to do so in a moment.

[rome26]

The link is fixed.

[The Beast1]

In the OP's defense, the news site won't let you copy and paste the text from their site. I'm on my phone otherwise i'd find ways of cracking it.

[The Black Knight]

This is from part of the article:

Quote:

Anna Kratky is SLU’s Title IX coordinator. She has a law degree and formerly worked in the circuit attorney’s office.

She defended the university’s process for handling sexual assault as “an absolutely fair process,” carried out by well-trained staff.

Additionally, Kratky said SLU is constantly revising its policies and making revisions to the entire investigative process.

“Frankly, we’re very proud of it,” she said.

But Harris, of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, sees deep problems with the very structure of campus-based hearings under Title IX.
She said colleges lack tools available to the criminal justice system to investigate sexual assault. Those include the authority to collect and store forensic evidence and subpoena powers to compel all pertinent witnesses to testify.

Many colleges tell students they have to get affirmative consent — meaning conscious and voluntary permission — before any sexual encounter.
“If you’re innocent, how exactly can you demonstrate you obtained affirmative consent?” Harris asked. “These are situations when two people are usually alone. Absent any evidence of force, you’re going to have a problem proving your innocence.”

Marcia McCormick, is a professor of law and a professor of women’s and gender studies at SLU. She sees problems with sexual assault investigations both on and off campus.

“The criminal justice system is also terrible for sexual assault,” McCormick added, citing the country’s current rape kit processing backlog. “So having an alternate system may be a good thing.”

And yet, McCormick said colleges on the whole have not yet proven they can handle the cases.

Still, she said, critics should consider that in the past, when a student reported a sexual assault, victims were the ones who had to change their schedule or leave school.

Policies have now shifted so that the accused have their lives disrupted during the investigation, McCormick said.

“It’s a challenge any time you change the status quo. People feel like they’ve lost an important right,” she said.

The idea behind the policy shift is generally considered a safer approach, she said. Because unlike in the criminal justice system, where the penalties are more serious, universities can easily backtrack when they make the wrong decision.

“The accused has the opportunity to get reinstated,” she said.

But Carmody said that kind of system hurts students like her client — even when punishments are reversed.

After his case was resolved he moved from St. Louis to Kansas City to work with a relative. He’s just now starting to apply to graduate school, more than a year after he had first planned.

I have had direct talks with women like the aforementioned; specifically discussing false accusations. They truly have no sympathy for falsely accused men and when I asked about the collateral damage of falsely accusing a man and the negative impact it would have on his life, the answer I got was (to paraphrase):

"Well, there is a [rape] epidemic out there and if that's the only damage to get the message out, then so be it"

These type of women (and men who support this bullshit) really are fanatical bigots and should be treated as such. The term "feminazi" is beyond appropriate for these kinds of people.

[Foolsgo1d]

Quote:

The idea behind the policy shift is generally considered a safer approach, she said. Because unlike in the criminal justice system, where the penalties are more serious, universities can easily backtrack when they make the wrong decision.

Oh so that makes it better does it? Ok lets for a second say I were to accuse someone of theft and I then go onto tell everybody this person cannot be trusted in your home or near your stuff.

No evidence ofcourse but I put on a very convincing display.But its ok because it is me and me alone doing it and it isn't in a court of law.

Oh how to view the world through these peoples eyes;

"Whaaaat? That guy who was accused of sexual assault isn't allowed on campus and is barred from attending classes? REALLY!? I thought the college was carrying out an investigation"

"He was assaulted by who?"

"He was fired?"

"He killed himself?"


But guys! It isn't in a court of law so he will be perfectly ok.

[Captainstabbin]

A bunch of dudes will have to accuse hundreds of women of rape just to test the double standard.

[Captainstabbin]

(10-11-2015 03:43 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Quote:

The idea behind the policy shift is generally considered a safer approach, she said. Because unlike in the criminal justice system, where the penalties are more serious, universities can easily backtrack when they make the wrong decision.

Oh so that makes it better does it? Ok lets for a second say I were to accuse someone of theft and I then go onto tell everybody this person cannot be trusted in your home or near your stuff.

No evidence ofcourse but I put on a very convincing display.But its ok because it is me and me alone doing it and it isn't in a court of law.

Oh how to view the world through these peoples eyes;

"Whaaaat? That guy who was accused of sexual assault isn't allowed on campus and is barred from attending classes? REALLY!? I thought the college was carrying out an investigation"

"He was assaulted by who?"

"He was fired?"

"He killed himself?"


But guys! It isn't in a court of law so he will be perfectly ok.

Like all liberals, she lives in a fantasy world. I'd say this, if no evidence other than a woman's accusation comes to light in a timely manner, the university pays the student's loans upon graduation.

[El Chinito loco]

(10-11-2015 01:41 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

I have had direct talks with women like the aforementioned; specifically discussing false accusations. They truly have no sympathy for falsely accused men and when I asked about the collateral damage of falsely accusing a man and the negative impact it would have on his life, the answer I got was (to paraphrase):

"Well, there is a [rape] epidemic out there and if that's the only damage to get the message out, then so be it"

These type of women (and men who support this bullshit) really are fanatical bigots and should be treated as such. The term "feminazi" is beyond appropriate for these kinds of people.

Your assessment of their mindset is correct. They are willing to throw innocent people under the bus and create a witch hunt type environment because of ~feels. It's juvenile, short sighted, and ultimately destructive.

This is why when these women go to such lengths to promote this type of thought they can't be taken seriously at all. The concept of injustice and creating a much more dangerous environment to "fix" an existing one simply has no meaning to them.

The other motive to this is that it puts real legal power to literally ruin a man's life in the hands of any American woman. This means an entire male population would be beholden to the whims of the craziest subset of women who would definitely take advantage of this. It's a form of tyranny.

[nomadbrah]

Yet another guy mentioned who sued, then got aquitted, then dropped the suit. What is wrong with these people, why don't they sue the colleges for everything they have? That's the only way to stop it, see them changing their policy after the first multi-million suit goes through.

[The Black Knight]

(10-11-2015 07:36 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(10-11-2015 01:41 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

I have had direct talks with women like the aforementioned; specifically discussing false accusations. They truly have no sympathy for falsely accused men and when I asked about the collateral damage of falsely accusing a man and the negative impact it would have on his life, the answer I got was (to paraphrase):

"Well, there is a [rape] epidemic out there and if that's the only damage to get the message out, then so be it"

These type of women (and men who support this bullshit) really are fanatical bigots and should be treated as such. The term "feminazi" is beyond appropriate for these kinds of people.

Your assessment of their mindset is correct. They are willing to throw innocent people under the bus and create a witch hunt type environment because of ~feels. It's juvenile, short sighted, and ultimately destructive.

This is why when these women go to such lengths to promote this type of thought they can't be taken seriously at all. The concept of injustice and creating a much more dangerous environment to "fix" an existing one simply has no meaning to them.

The other motive to this is that it puts real legal power to literally ruin a man's life in the hands of any American woman. This means an entire male population would be beholden to the whims of the craziest subset of women who would definitely take advantage of this. It's a form of tyranny.

It really is tyranny and it has completely altered my mindset in how I date and deal with American women. I've said before that dating an American woman is a massive liability due to the potential legal consequences. Roosh in one of his articles (the one about DC in 2014) explained how in particular, American white women were the most likely to falsely accuse a man of something; which I agree with.

I've shut down more than a handful of potential bangs due to my own gut perception that a woman is capable of falsely accusing a man or something; red flags like odd mental behavior, mentioning of past alleged abuse by a man, a constant victim mentality/militant feminist views, and signs of possessing a vindictive streak are some of things I pay extra attention to when first getting to know a woman. If i see any of the aforementioned (among some other things as well) and it's bye bye bitch.

Roosh also mentioned in a recent article to start recording bangs to defend one's self from this bullshit. It really is gonna get to the point soon that when a guy says "I want to use protection", he isn't going to be referring to using a condom, but to audio/video record the banging session for HIS own protection. It's some really sad shit. We have gotten to the point of needing to do Russian style dash cams in the bedroom to protect ourselves from fraud.