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A Subtle Rivalry... Advice?
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A Subtle Rivalry... Advice?

This thread is going to be long, but I didn't know where else to ask for help without sounding like a psychopath. I want to find sound red pill psychological tactics and advice from the guys on here so here it goes:

I've learned so much about life and success ever since I first picked up Style's book in 2006 and learned old game tactics, before coming to the ROK/GLL/D&P crowd a few years back and taking things to a new level.

I'm in a very competitive aircrew commissioning program, and I'm sure some of you will get the hints that I'm dropping, it's very selective and one of the last great opportunities for a man to make something of himself in a part of the old world that's succumbing to too much political interference and a lessening of combat effectiveness.

I'm in a class of sixteen and competing directly against another guy for a slot in a certain airframe that we both want more than anything. This rivalry exists everywhere except verbally. I can see it in his eyes, smell it on him, and feel it in the air when we pass one another. We even work together sometimes but our interactions are limited to basic general knowledge of what we're working on, it rarely delves onto a personal level.

I appreciate this opportunity for a rival, especially in a world devoid of conflict and increasing anti-male sentiments, and almost feel blessed to have this kind of burning ambition to push myself further than another with everything I have. I have a clear advantage in some areas, a background in mechanical engineering, multi-lingual, guile, and the acuity to see his actions and predict his moves. The program we are in is constantly testing us, and neither of us have failed any of the tests yet.

In the commissioning program prior to this flying position is where I met this guy. I worked on a special detail under his leadership in several exercises that lasted a week. While performance in that program doesn't carry over here, I was ousted and singled out much of the time for being more red pill than the rest, my rise to take things into my own hands to solve pissed off some people, this guy especially. His own incompetence to handle the leadership position brought heat down on him, and he saw that I was having a hard time so he and his co-leader (a woman at that) went to the staff and created a completely bullshit accusation that I was being disruptive and flippant and all sorts of negative nilly-willy things that would make most organizations fire someone on the spot. However, given some benefit of doubt, I was placed in probation for the rest of the commissioning program because of this fools testimony. I had to have others, few who volunteered to help me, write letters of recommendation to the staff about my good character and work ethic to show them that this guy was full of it. Maybe they bought it, maybe they didn't, but I wasn't kicked out. Time goes by, we both graduate in a class of near 200 people. He doesn't know that I know about the memorandum they concocted about me, and I've kept the paperwork in case he tries any funny stuff while I'm here.

I get to the next assignment, and yes the same guy and several others from the commissioning program are with me here at the new training. There are lots of new people in our class, and I've gained respect from most of them by maintaining frame and red-pill status as well as showing some of the guys how to improve their game using the tactics I've learned from y'all. Details now, for a psychological profile,

I'm 24, he's 25. I'm single and playing the numbers as always, and this fool is married, but carries himself like he has weight. He almost feels entitled to the air frame we're both competing for because his dad did it before him years ago. I've seen his wife, and of course, human judgments are natural, it tells me a lot about this guy. He doesn't understand game, he's screwed in the hypothetical separation (literally here in the states you can't do shit when the govt recognizes your legal marriage and she wants out). We're both fit and strong but I'm always going to be the stronger one. I've been a struggler my whole life and I always stay hungry. He takes great notice of detail too, this I have forced out of him by doing some trial and error social experiments in the classroom, so I know to be careful with what I say or do.

So what do I want and where am I going with all this? I want to psyche him out, make him lose focus, and gain the upper hand, perhaps even plant an idea in his mind that he isn't fit for the air frame. I've been reading the 48 laws of power, and much more elusive topics about how to go about this. It's not moral, but I will have what I want, and I'll be damned if some smelly beta fool who threw me under the bus to cover his own ass will take the next step in my journey. Any recommendations? Unlike him I have no wife, no debt, no pets, nothing holding me back, which would almost make it too easy, however it is in the nature of humans to create conflict for their own entertainment. This situation is real however, and if he fares better than me, I could end up with a crappy air frame and I won't allow myself to let him do better than me. We're both good at flying, procedures, checklists, etc, so I have to gain the edge in a psychological sense first. I'm not going to resort to doing anything illegal or inflicting physical harm, but there is a big future at stake for more people than just the two of us with the decision of who gets what at the end of the program.

I've also begun reading Gorilla Mindset which is helping me take more action on things, but I want to hear what some of you experienced guys have on an ordeal like this, any thoughts?
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A Subtle Rivalry... Advice?

I was going to count how many times you said he / his / our /we / the guy etc in this post then I figured forget it because I bet you mentioned "him" over 100 times. Frankly, you sound obsessed with the guy. It's not normal to have to say "don't want to sound like a psychopath," and then later mention "not inflicting... physical harm."

I get the part about the competition and I am very familiar with it in your industry, and I do feel for you it is brutal competition I understand. The issue is not the competition with this "guy" it is something about you. Read on I am deadly serious.

You asked for thoughts and I only have one overwhelming and alarming impression from your post.

Forget about this guy and concentrate on yourself.

You are focused too narrowly on slots and think (as many trainees do) that you know all the variables and all the options. You don't. And from your writing this sound like a military program so you have even less control of the outcome, however that's not my main point.

If you are in fact who you say you are then concentrate on becoming a better airman regardless of the airframe you are assigned and taking your responsibility more seriously, rather than this gay sounding obsession with your classmate.

You want to make another aviator lose focus? Then you don't deserve to even graduate much less get the coveted slot. You better think hard and take back this Despicable statement. The cockpit, the crew, flight planning, ATC, are no places for "game." Right now you sound like a danger to yourself and to others in aviation. Maybe you should design men's jeans instead and psyche out the other jeans makers in a spirit of competition where no one will get hurt.

There is no room for "I can smell it on him" in aviation. All aviators have others lives in their hands. You need to remember this because when you get out in the real world and are working you will just repeat this same pattern with someone else in the pilot pool instead of doing your job if you don't snap out of it now.
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offthereservation , don't be too quick to judge .

Let's not forgot that his " rival " , attempted to get him kicked out of the program at an earlier stage , it seems as if he was able to recongnise the threat you could pose and attempted to nip it in the bud .

I'm doing a similar program right now , one with limited but prestigious places at the end of it , and if any of the people in my classroom gathered together and attempted to kick me out , you can be damn sure that I would not forgive that and wait for the right time to return the favour .

The thing is , what can you do ?

You can't be too aggressive or make you motives too obvious .

You need to do what he did . Which was essentially ;

1. He kept his intentions hidden until YOU made a mistake and he had something on you

2. Then he recruited an ally to support his claims .

3 . And then hit you hard by going to the powers that be .

There's not much you can do apart from tightening yourself up , making sure you don't give him ammunition , and then watching him closely for any mistakes he makes .

Have more allies than him , not just in the class , but in the offices , administration and teachers . People of power who would defend you should he decide to attack you again .
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The cockpit, the crew, flight planning, ATC, are no places for "game." Right now you sound like a danger to yourself and to others in aviation.




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Quote: (10-01-2015 12:51 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  

offthereservation , don't be too quick to judge .

Let's not forgot that his " rival " , attempted to get him kicked out of the program at an earlier stage , it seems as if he was able to recongnise the threat you could pose and attempted to nip it in the bud .

I'm doing a similar program right now , one with limited but prestigious places at the end of it , and if any of the people in my classroom gathered together and attempted to kick me out , you can be damn sure that I would not forgive that and wait for the right time to return the favour .

The thing is , what can you do ?

You can't be too aggressive or make you motives too obvious .

You need to do what he did . Which was essentially ;

1. He kept his intentions hidden until YOU made a mistake and he had something on you

2. Then he recruited an ally to support his claims .

3 . And then hit you hard by going to the powers that be .

There's not much you can do apart from tightening yourself up , making sure you don't give him ammunition , and then watching him closely for any mistakes he makes .

Have more allies than him , not just in the class , but in the offices , administration and teachers . People of power who would defend you should he decide to attack you again .

Your program is not in aviation, correct?
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A Subtle Rivalry... Advice?

So even though this guy is obviously a coward and will stoop to despicable lows to cover his own ass, I should just not consider it? As faggoty as it sounds I don't have an obsession with him I'm just keeping a close eye on my competition, I am studying myself a good eight to ten hours a day, and I don't have any baggage holding me back. As it stands there is no clear cut who is better, but I know I am, and that's why I just want the further edge to keep myself in the lead.

If Air crew is a place of cohesiveness, then what would you make of this fool who obviously only cares about himself? He publicly admitted to the class that he "despises other people's incompetence" sounds pretty pompous doesn't it? Like I said, just another living off of his father's legacy believing he's entitled to Fighters just because.

The practicality of working in aviation trumps all other methods of success, doing things safely and correctly is always number one. However, there is a human factor to which you are not considering. You want the best man for the job. A danger to others? Yes I will be when I enter a combat zone, that's the whole point.

Sensei Creation thanks for the tips, I'm working on this not just for this temporary rivalry, but for other cases which will arise and have to be overcome in my career. There will always be those who oppose you, and this guy is not the first one to do so to me.
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When I was in a very prestigious school in the military. There was a guy that I hated and he hated me. I slipped on a loose piece of pavement while doing a 12 mile road march and fractured my ankle. He saw me and he took 15 lbs out of my rucksack and carried it for me until the last kilometer so I could graduate the school.

Your generation is very different than mine. I'm not going to give you advice on how to handle this other kid but I'll tell you that in 15 years you'll be sitting at your computer at 2 am with a glass of whiskey and a cigarette, roaming through facebook to see who in your class is still alive, who got killed in combat, and who put a gun to their head. You should take that into perspective now.
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I love this forum, and this thread. In my blue pill days, I though this spirit of aggression, dominance and competition was "testosterone poisoning". I was never a SJW, but I did feel that this kind of male behavior was generally negative. However, now I embrace it.
I can see how having a rival who's earned their enemy status would be stimulating. Situations in the military and in the work world are often designed to have a limit number of slots, to force competition and peak performance to get the slot.

At the same time, as LINUX's story shows, you have to maintain certain limits, and focus on the good of the program and the service.

I would say that the OP should go for the gusto, and do what he can to beat the other guy, but just make sure that he plays the game honorably. He has said that the other guy is an able and worthy person. They are opponents now, and the OP has a beef with him, but if circumstances make them team mates in the future, they should still be able to work well together.

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Quote: (10-01-2015 11:38 AM)Stack Thornehawk Wrote:  

So even though this guy is obviously a coward and will stoop to despicable lows to cover his own ass, I should just not consider it? As faggoty as it sounds I don't have an obsession with him I'm just keeping a close eye on my competition, I am studying myself a good eight to ten hours a day, and I don't have any baggage holding me back. As it stands there is no clear cut who is better, but I know I am, and that's why I just want the further edge to keep myself in the lead.

If Air crew is a place of cohesiveness, then what would you make of this fool who obviously only cares about himself? He publicly admitted to the class that he "despises other people's incompetence" sounds pretty pompous doesn't it? Like I said, just another living off of his father's legacy believing he's entitled to Fighters just because.

The practicality of working in aviation trumps all other methods of success, doing things safely and correctly is always number one. However, there is a human factor to which you are not considering. You want the best man for the job. A danger to others? Yes I will be when I enter a combat zone, that's the whole point.

Sensei Creation thanks for the tips, I'm working on this not just for this temporary rivalry, but for other cases which will arise and have to be overcome in my career. There will always be those who oppose you, and this guy is not the first one to do so to me.

Surely I had a gut feeling you were going for fighter jets. And you are one tough motherfucker because anyone else would have been trying to rip my head off at my less than nice reply. There are probably some pretty wise and experienced guys looking at all this and observe more than you think of what is going on.

I think you will be fine. All this mental energy on this other guy could be invested in yourself and your bettering yourself as an aviator, even though you are already good it seems. Maybe that's the missing ingredient that will help you win, your own extra energy and focus.
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You have to have thick skin to go into this realm lol. Thanks though. I know the answer is usually within, the reason why I made this thread was because I wanted to hear similar experiences if anyone had any in some very competitive work areas. Now that fighters are dwindling down and its becoming more of a strike force than a large military it is evermore crucial for me to get myself in there before everything is automated someday.

I will do what I can to focus only on myself and helping the others in my class, but I do suspect that this guy will try to sully my name again, so I will not ignore him completely. I even thought of bringing the documents to him and asking him straight up what went on and calling a truce behind our hidden dislike for one another, but if I did that and then I had nothing on him, and he could still try to do what he did before, so that is why I'm being extra cautious.

Does anyone else have any experiences with dealing with someone like this? A schemer perhaps. And LINUX, yes I understand, but there is wisdom in life you can learn by keeping your enemies closer, as the great quote says. These people in the military now, some of them are cowards and have no honor, and they would group together to shame someone because of an elated mob mentality, probably due to the fact that to all of them prior to the military were outcasts themselves. I can't blame them for trying to do it to me, but just the slithery nature of what was attempted to get me kicked out reveals more about this particular character than any interaction or relationship, whether friendly or work-related.

Segments of American society don't care for their military, but conversely others are very supportive. However in the grand scheme of things I already know too much about the globalists and their agenda, so I'm trying to just do the best that I can under the radar without getting involved in anything else other than aviation, there's too much political correctness and equalist bullshit being forced down our throats at every military-sponsored social outing.

Well that's my soapbox for now, thanks for the opinions gents.
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Don't you kids ever just sock it out anymore?

Okay, kidding aside (kind of), I realize it's a professional environment and a competitive one at that, but I say pull the guy aside with nobody else around for him to impress (this is KEY) and ask him if he's got a fucking problem. Dealing with pricks in "the real world" is generally as simple as that.

And you don't even have to overtly threaten violence and probably don't even have to word it so aggressively. A lot of men who act this political will clam up just having a man-to-man talk and you won't have to actually threaten him at all. I honestly can't stomach snaky behavior and have found this gets it right out on the table and cuts most further bullshit.

The intensity of your approach I guess just depends on how touchy the admin is in this program. I mean, surely they know tensions arise and that people will bicker sometimes. But sometimes you just have to take a risk and at least imply that you're willing to step outside the comfy protection of the "rules" if need be. This is your wild card and men who hide behind the protection of a regimented program shrink from it.

Anyways, there are guys in the world who will still slither around after being confronted, but with most I've found this usually hits the nail on the head.

Of course, I'm probably not fit for a program like this either, so take the advice as you will.

Another approach, on the other hand, is to befriend the guy. This is also discussed in 48 Laws of Power and I've found in my experiences it's a solid way to neutralize threats either physical or political. It has worked for me even in truly dangerous and unpredictable places, and it has worked for me in PC groups too. Which way is a better approach really depends on your personality and his, I think, and I guess that's something you can only learn through trial and error and time.

Books like 48 Laws of Power are great, but don't forget Greene bases his writings on research. And what a book can offer has limits. Much of human interaction is tricky and takes time to learn how to read and navigate.

All that being said, this sentence here also suggests at least a slight possiblity that you might just be an asshole (lol):

"While performance in that program doesn't carry over here, I was ousted and singled out much of the time for being more red pill than the rest, my rise to take things into my own hands to solve pissed off some people, this guy especially."

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling
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