[Oberrheiner]

(01-28-2019 05:59 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

< The issue with most birth defects is that 98% is not really genetic.

I don't have any hard numbers, but most problems I have seen were indeed not genetic but human error.

The wolves were just a figure of speech, I do have many forests nearby but none contains any actual wolf
Anyway this is a difficult topic and I don't especially want to go on about it.
Especially since I don't have a solution, I can only tell you what I would do myself.

Regarding genetic birth defects being preventable with supplements it sure sounds like a hard sell.
In any case for me it falls into the usual "conspiracy" category, meaning it might be true, it most probably isn't, but I will never be able to know for sure anyway so I won't invest any meaningful computing power into it.

Our food has been more and more lacking in micro-nutrients generally, that much I do believe after empirical experience.
What it means at the reproductive level (if anything), who knows ..
Since I am not affected by any of this I didn't research it so I don't really have an opinion on the subject.

[CynicalContrarian]

On your backs ladies!
Having kids is what makes you happiest anyway...

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1094815547055882240][/url]

[Oberrheiner]

This is huge.

I sure wish we had the same in france, however here only immigrants make 4+ children per wife, so that would give the native french a big competitive disadvantage.
Although we are already the ones funding them, so it would probably only tilt the balance a bit more.

In any case, not worth it here.
In Hungary, well hopefully they stay anti-immigration forever, otherwise this will come back and bite them in the ass.

[amity]

Exactly, the only way this can be effective in Western Europe is if it only applies to natives of the country, with both parents having to be native. No exceptions.
It would have to be strictly adhered to or outsiders would ruthlessly exploit it to the detriment of native Europeans.
Sadly I don't think any Western European government would have the balls to introduce such a scheme and none of them want it anyway as open borders suits them just fine.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< First of all - all k-select tribes react to two things for such massive reproductive endeavor:

1) Very good economic situation with the ability of one husband to be able to support a family of 6 on his own with an average job
2) Lack of feminist propaganda, shaming of women to marry soon, abandon the sexual carousel and settle down fast

Otherwise you can shove all plans - the scheme will mostly be used by immigrants or low-tier parts of the population to live off welfare - they are not paying any income tax anyway.

And given the situation and the lack of the economic fullfillment, then no country on earth currently would make this work. It would not even work in Korea or Japan, where they are tough on immigration. Even in Hungary it will backfire with the few immigrants or Roma having countless kids.

The European world would require an all-around ban of all globohomo propaganda content and then massive pay hikes and other measures for men only with the introduction of a real gender-pay gap of 50% - best mandated by the state. Women are thus encouraged to marry, because the low-tier plumber makes more than the paper-shuffling-mid-level executive.

But as said - no country in the West would dare do such thing. Plus we might even discuss the real necessity for 4 or even 2 kids. What would be so bad for Japan to go down from 120 mio. to 50 mio.? With modern tech we don't have to fear starvation and less people would make things easier. So long as the tribes are not swarmed by other tribes, then it's irrelevant. Plus - we cannot afford for the world to have 4+ kids each. And on top of it - even if all the Hungarian women have 2-4 kids, then millions of enrichers could enter the country as mandated by the EU making even their population growth irrelevant.

The only way forward is to create an ethno-centric foundation similar to what Israel is doing, but similar to how they get upset when Western countries try to do the same.

[Oberrheiner]

(02-11-2019 04:46 AM)amity Wrote:  

Exactly, the only way this can be effective in Western Europe is if it only applies to natives of the country, with both parents having to be native. No exceptions.
It would have to be strictly adhered to or outsiders would ruthlessly exploit it to the detriment of native Europeans.
Sadly I don't think any Western European government would have the balls to introduce such a scheme and none of them want it anyway as open borders suits them just fine.

Hmm, I don't know.
Sometimes I'm stupidly optimistic, but doesn't italy seem to have started slowly moving in the right direction ?

I know I know, I should be the first one to say this is just a show and nothing will really change ..
Sometimes you are looking for hope where there is none, and this is in general when the globalists come and fuck you the hardest

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< You are a young guy and young guys get optimistic which is good. Plus - when you start to see through the entire level of control the globalists have then it becomes even worse (see cuttingthroughthematrix.com). It's as Roosh said - save yourself, save your family, contribute a bit at best to the world - you are not going to save it.

Don't get me wrong - I like the optimists out there and I like the Identitarians going at it and other groups - and yes, they may slow the decline, influence some people, force the globohomos to adjust their plans or slow down, but that is about the extent of it.

And of course - it's not hopeless - their rule will come to an end someday, but it won't be by Trump, the Alt-Right or anything of that sort.

[Oberrheiner]

Well I'm 40 but I'll take that as a compliment So thank you.

(02-11-2019 04:59 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

What would be so bad for Japan to go down from 120 mio. to 50 mio.?

The obvious problem is the debt created by the usury system.

Debt is basically a tax that you pay in the future.
It is sized depending on your estimation of what your children will be pay able to pay back for you.
So yes, debt is selling your children into slavery to the international bankers.
This is the only honest way to see it.

Anyway, if your population is divided by two then each of your children will have to be twice as productive as you were - just to stay at the same level.
This is highly unlikely to happen, robots or not.

And if you stop servicing the debt then foreign powers come and buy your country from you, as happened in many places already.
Yes, it used to be mostly africa and nobody cared.

Now greece says hello but apparently nobody wants to even acknowledge its presence

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Yes, but usury debt cannot be repaid anyway. Some countries - the best in the system may do it, but certainly not all. The globalists know this and are willing to take the second best of a country - their real assets - real estate, raw materials, gold, IOUs to the people and their children etc.

Everyone forgot about Iceland how the people said fuck-you to the bankers. And the globohomo press screamed murder and claimed that they would never lend Iceland a penny. Now they are back in the normal exchange and the bankers are willing to give them cash on normal terms. They simply wrote off billions and did not bat an eye, but Ireland willingly doubled it's debt load so that Mr. Rothschild and co. get more power, because they honestly don't need more money.

[Oberrheiner]

Funny you would say it this way, I always thought it to be the opposite : money and usury being nothing more than tools (or red herrings), with the real goal being to capture the real physical assets and enslave the people.

I don't know the exact details of Iceland, I can only assume their debt was several orders of magnitude smaller than other EU countries simply because they are such a small country, plus they don't seem to have many physical assets to recover at all ?
Didn't the globalists really ask for anything in return ? It seems hard to believe they would do such a thing.

[Chiosboy90]

(02-10-2019 11:31 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

On your backs ladies!
Having kids is what makes you happiest anyway...

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1094815547055882240][/url]

I wish we had this in Switzerland. But the only people that would profit from it, would be our Muslim population which are already replacing us, while Heidi is swiping on Tinder until her eggs are as ugly as her soul.

[Chiosboy90]

(02-11-2019 05:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong - I like the optimists out there and I like the Identitarians going at it and other groups - and yes, they may slow the decline, influence some people, force the globohomos to adjust their plans or slow down, but that is about the extent of it.

And of course - it's not hopeless - their rule will come to an end someday, but it won't be by Trump, the Alt-Right or anything of that sort.

Well, at least they are doing something. To be honest, more balls than anyone (including me) here just reading and commenting and getting angry on the roosh stream while your surrounding is falling apart. That's the most Beta thing I can think of.

[Oberrheiner]

Heidi wouldn't have the space for 4 children in her WG in Zürich anyway.
And it's already costing her over 1500 CHF a month, how is she supposed to do it ?
Will she have to abandon her beloved balcony with a view over the Zürchersee ?
You'll find out in the next episode ..

Ah, priorities ..

[911]

This is actually a smart policy, it's narrowly-focused at the upper half of career women. Get married in her 20s, take 20 years off, then rejoin the workforce in her late 40s. A gimmegrant mooch on the other hand wouldn't benefit from income tax breaks.

Best way to take advantage of this though is for the couple to partner in a small business where the stay at home mom would join in her 40s-50s and the couple would get income tax breaks through her. This would work really well for doctors for instance, or any small business really (garage, small shop, small law practice etc), the wife would be managing the clinic/shop while the husband pulls in the income, with a lot of the profits shielded from income tax through the wife.

[Bienvenuto]

(02-11-2019 08:24 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:31 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

On your backs ladies!
Having kids is what makes you happiest anyway...

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1094815547055882240][/url]

I wish we had this in Switzerland. But the only people that would profit from it, would be our Muslim population which are already replacing us, while Heidi is swiping on Tinder until her eggs are as ugly as her soul.

Gold.

[911]

(02-11-2019 05:13 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

Well I'm 40 but I'll take that as a compliment So thank you.

(02-11-2019 04:59 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

What would be so bad for Japan to go down from 120 mio. to 50 mio.?

The obvious problem is the debt created by the usury system.

Debt is basically a tax that you pay in the future.
It is sized depending on your estimation of what your children will be pay able to pay back for you.
So yes, debt is selling your children into slavery to the international bankers.
This is the only honest way to see it.

Anyway, if your population is divided by two then each of your children will have to be twice as productive as you were - just to stay at the same level.
This is highly unlikely to happen, robots or not.

And if you stop servicing the debt then foreign powers come and buy your country from you, as happened in many places already.
Yes, it used to be mostly africa and nobody cared.

Now greece says hello but apparently nobody wants to even acknowledge its presence

You can go Iceland's way, or you could for instance settle the debt by making payments to individual shareholders of corporate/banking entities that are actually holding that debt, applying a special marginal personal income tax rate of say:

30% for debt settlements over $100,000,
50% for debt settlements over $1M,
90% for debt settlements over $10M,
99% for debt settlements over $100M.

This would slash debt by 90%-95% without hurting the public, the great majority of debt being concentrated in very few hands.

[Polniy_Sostav]

(02-11-2019 04:46 AM)amity Wrote:  

Exactly, the only way this can be effective in Western Europe is if it only applies to natives of the country, with both parents having to be native. No exceptions.
It would have to be strictly adhered to or outsiders would ruthlessly exploit it to the detriment of native Europeans.
Sadly I don't think any Western European government would have the balls to introduce such a scheme and none of them want it anyway as open borders suits them just fine.

The problem is that even people who share our ideas are weak when it comes to making kids. I have three of them and I always get comments even from people on our side
"you re too young to have kids"
"why do you have so many , it s surprising"
"you will struggle financially '

I would even say that in general we do less kids as we try to care about them and we are worried for our future.... we have to do it and not the government.
but the maths don't lie
if all solid RVF members had 4 kids , and leftists only 2 , we would probably be more numerous than them in one generation

[Chiosboy90]

(02-11-2019 06:45 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

(02-11-2019 04:46 AM)amity Wrote:  

Exactly, the only way this can be effective in Western Europe is if it only applies to natives of the country, with both parents having to be native. No exceptions.
It would have to be strictly adhered to or outsiders would ruthlessly exploit it to the detriment of native Europeans.
Sadly I don't think any Western European government would have the balls to introduce such a scheme and none of them want it anyway as open borders suits them just fine.

The problem is that even people who share our ideas are weak when it comes to making kids. I have three of them and I always get comments even from people on our side
"you re too young to have kids"
"why do you have so many , it s surprising"
"you will struggle financially '

I would even say that in general we do less kids as we try to care about them and we are worried for our future.... we have to do it and not the government.
but the maths don't lie
if all solid RVF members had 4 kids , and leftists only 2 , we would probably be more numerous than them in one generation

I agree. Complaining on the Internet about diversity, but then watching the roosh stream on Sunday alone in your apartment just after you send your Sunday Tinder slut home.

Big impact!

[Oberrheiner]

Well as a man making 4 children is not difficult, really

The problems are more :
1. first finding a woman which agrees to this
2. then making the money to sustain these 5 persons comfortably.

So, pussy and money - from there on I would say that this forum is not the worst place to make progress with the ultimate goal of founding a family, despite what it might look like at first.
The politics discussions are an interesting insight into what to do/avoid to make the whole process easier (as in finding a country which has pro-children policies for instance, or avoiding indoctrination, etc etc).

Now of course the courage required for all this - that's on you to find within yourself, nobody can do it for you.
Now go, your ancestors are watching you

[Leonard D Neubache]

(02-12-2019 06:15 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

Well as a man making 4 children is not difficult, really

The problems are more :
1. first finding a woman which agrees to this
2. then making the money to sustain these 5 persons *comfortably.

So, pussy and money - from there on I would say that this forum is not the worst place to make progress with the ultimate goal of founding a family, despite what it might look like at first.
The politics discussions are an interesting insight into what to do/avoid to make the whole process easier (as in finding a country which has pro-children policies for instance, or avoiding indoctrination, etc etc).

Now of course the courage required for all this - that's on you to find within yourself, nobody can do it for you.
Now go, your ancestors are watching you

* Once you realize there's no such thing you become a lot more free to pursue what's really important in life.

[Transsimian]

(02-11-2019 10:07 AM)911 Wrote:  

This is actually a smart policy, it's narrowly-focused at the upper half of career women. Get married in her 20s, take 20 years off, then rejoin the workforce in her late 40s. A gimmegrant mooch on the other hand wouldn't benefit from income tax breaks.

It's a good investment in the fiscal health of the nation.

Those who earn enough to pay tax, generally have children who'll end up being responsible tax payers.

Those who don't, won't.

[Oberrheiner]

(02-12-2019 07:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 06:15 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

Well as a man making 4 children is not difficult, really

The problems are more :
1. first finding a woman which agrees to this
2. then making the money to sustain these 5 persons *comfortably.

So, pussy and money - from there on I would say that this forum is not the worst place to make progress with the ultimate goal of founding a family, despite what it might look like at first.
The politics discussions are an interesting insight into what to do/avoid to make the whole process easier (as in finding a country which has pro-children policies for instance, or avoiding indoctrination, etc etc).

Now of course the courage required for all this - that's on you to find within yourself, nobody can do it for you.
Now go, your ancestors are watching you

* Once you realize there's no such thing you become a lot more free to pursue what's really important in life.

Granted that's rather subjective so I could have elaborated but somehow felt it was not necessary .. ?

Anyway, what I meant is that :
- in cold weather (like here) you need a house which is correctly heated/insulated, so that babies do not get sick all the time.
- you need enough food quality/quantity so that they do not get any growth-impairing deficiencies.
- you need some way to get access to culture (books, etc) it could be the public library of course, but then this assumes you live somewhere where this is one at all, otherwise you'll have to procure that stuff yourself.
etc etc.

So yes, luxury is definitely not required, but some base level has to be achieved for optimal results IMHO.
Where you set the bar above the minimum is subjective of course, but one has first to be conscious of what the minimum is and how you get at least that.

In my own experience there were some surprises, which my wife quickly pointed out, and I'm happy I had some financial headroom to be able to address those right away without having to think twice.
But I am (or was made) paranoid, some will do it carelessly and some will be able to pull it off this way too, so yeah YMMV.

[Ski pro]

(02-11-2019 08:24 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  

(02-10-2019 11:31 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

On your backs ladies!
Having kids is what makes you happiest anyway...

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1094815547055882240][/url]

I wish we had this in Switzerland. But the only people that would profit from it, would be our Muslim population which are already replacing us, while Heidi is swiping on Tinder until her eggs are as ugly as her soul.

Exactly this. I know so many white chicks in the Geneva region who can’t find or breed with a decent guy because they left it too long and were too concentrated on saving the world with their ngo job.

Sad.

Good to see a return to some action on this thread

[redpillage]

(02-11-2019 08:24 AM)Chiosboy90 Wrote:  

I wish we had this in Switzerland. But the only people that would profit from it, would be our Muslim population which are already replacing us, while Heidi is swiping on Tinder until her eggs are as ugly as her soul.

And she's not swiping right for white boys either. European women are all about those enriching experiences.

What we need gentlemen is a global mudshark app. Take a pic of your GF/bride-to-be and check whether she's known to delve into exotic pleasures.

We have the technology, let's make those damn spy apps work for us for a change.

[911]

Orban's policies are similar to the ones the NSDAP implemented in Germany after they were voted in in 1933. Their policies were a bit more aggressive, aiming to bolster large families and to take women off the workplace and into the house, which helped young German families purchase housing and reduced unemployment from 33% to full employment in a few years:

Quote:

To promote this new woman and this new vision of marriage, the Nazis instituted a variety of policies, including marriage loans, tax incentives for large families, public honors for women who produced large numbers of children for the state, tax penalties for childless couples, and severe punishment for abortions.

...

Marriage loans (German: Ehestandsdarlehen) were part of the promotion of the family in Nazi Germany. Instituted in 1933, they were offered to newlywed couples in the form of vouchers for household goods, initially on condition that the woman stopped working. Unless the husband's earnings were very low, interest rates on the loans continued to be lower if only he worked; and one quarter of the principal was forgiven for each child.

Marriage loans were created by the "Law for the Reduction of Unemployment" of June 1, 1933.[1][2] Aryan newylyweds were eligible to receive an interest-free loan of 1,000 Reichsmarks,[1][3] in the form of vouchers in the husband's name that could be redeemed for household goods such as furniture.[4] The amount was approximately one fifth of average annual take-home pay;[5] industrial workers earned 140 RM a month.[6]

Initially, the loans required that the bride stop work immediately[1] and not take another position during the life of the loan unless the husband was earning less than 125 RM per month.[2] Planners hoped that the loan programme would cause 800,000 women to leave the workforce over the first four years, and there was an associated programme of subsidies for household goods manufacture intended to provide jobs for another 200,000 men.[7]

In November 1933, the Völkischer Beobachter featured as a "shining" example the mass wedding and subsequent resignations of 122 female employees of the Reemtsma cigarette factory in Berlin, who thereby freed jobs for unemployed men.[8] By 1937, full employment had been achieved and women workers were needed, so the requirement was removed and the loan made available to all young people of documented Aryan ancestry and genetic fitness.[9][6][10][11] This caused an increase in applications: by 1936 approximately one third of couples were receiving them; by 1939 this had risen to 42%.[12] In July 1938, a special marriage loan programme for agricultural workers was added as part of the Decree on the Welfare of the Rural Population: couples were eligible if one partner had worked in agriculture or forestry for five years before they married, and the loan would be excused after a further ten years of such work. There was also a renewable 400 RM subsidy to farm workers for setting up a household.[13]

Couples who were both employed had to pay back the loan at the rate of 3% per month; if only the husband was employed, the repayment rate was 1% a month.[3][6] In accordance with the Nazi policy of reversing the decline in the birth rate among Germans, one quarter of the loan was forgiven for each child, so that with the fourth child, no more was owed.

By the end of 1938, 1,121,000 marriage loans had been extended, 800,000 under the original conditions of requiring the bride to stop work, and a "baby boom" had resulted in the forgiveness of 980,000.[18] The loan was then halved, to 500 RM.[6] The 250 RM for each child remained a powerful incentive; other financial assistance, called Kindergeld, was also available to encourage families to have children.[6] The loans were a particularly strong incentive to marry after extramarital pregnancy had occurred.[3]

The loans were partially paid for by a tax on unmarried people called Ehestandshilfe (marriage assistance, fund for the aid of marriage).[19][20] This was levied at a rate of 2–5% of gross annual income on those under 55 who were liable for income tax; under a law of October 16, 1934, it was incorporated into the income tax beginning in January 1935.[21][22]

As a result of the marriage loan programme, furniture and home furnishings expanded under the Third Reich; and this did not apply to department stores, which were specifically excluded.[23]