[rw95]

Like most members of my generation (19 year old millennial) I am currently attending college. Like most members of my generation, I have endured the constant force-fed "wisdom" that if I do not receive a four-year degree at a "prestigious" institution of higher "learning" (aka liberal brainwashing) I will never amount to anything and will be a loser in life. However, unlike most of my generation, I had at least a vague idea that this was, if not a lie at least an untruth, well before my immersion into the red pill, and have been at odds with my parents in regards to this for the last two years.

I have frequently expressed my interest in taking up a vocation, particularly electrical work or welding. This has typically been shot down by my father saying that such jobs require an interest and aptitude in certain areas that I have never shown throughout my life. I am not entirely convinced of this, though I feel that he may have a point. My interests have always lied in more artistic bents (music, writing, drawing), but I am well aware that it is extremely difficult to make a living in the artistic field, and I may never make it at all. I would probably be unable to make a living as a mechanic, as I have never shown a particular interest in how cars work, but I am not sure how the same logic would apply towards electrical work or welding.

I would like to pursue a career in the arts, but I do agree with my parents that I need a fallback of some kind, which is why they currently have me attending college. However, after fully ingesting red pill truths, I know that I simply cannot continue going to college and watching the mass indoctrination all around me, while indebting myself for a degree that odds are will not help me at all. I refuse to work a white collar job that goes against my very nature as a man, no matter how cushy and "prestigious" it may be. I'd like to know if any of my fellow forum readers- the older and more established ones- could offer some suggestions in both researching a blue collar or vocational job that could potentially work for me, as well as convincing my parents that such a decision is not a foolish one, or if such a task turns out to be simply impossible, how to go out on my own.

[komatiite]

Dude you are 19... What the hell is your dad saying "you haven't shown an aptitude in welding or electrical so therefore you shouldn't do it"???
What does he expect? Were you supposed to be rewiring the basement or welding a nice new BBQ together for the patio at the age of 12? If you are interested in it, and want the security of a good paying job with the skillset to work anywhere in the world, then go for it, fuck what he thinks.

[RBerkley]

Welding is alright. It pays good money in the natural resource provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan.

However, DON'T take a Liberal Arts undergrad because those courses are sheer feminist and Marxist brainwashing.

[Cattle Rustler]

Or you could get a white collar job and do blue collar gigs in the side or for fun.

I work in. A cushy office and am done with my work by noon but I'm working on my electrician apprentice license for fun and because I've done such work since a kid.

Fuck being 45 and still working as a welder or electrician.

[the-dream]

(08-22-2015 06:46 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

However, after fully ingesting red pill truths, I know that I simply cannot continue going to college and watching the mass indoctrination all around me

I think you've gone from one extreme of brainwashing to another. Getting a degree is not going to hurt you and will probably benefit you, especially if you are already half way through your course. The bloggers I've seen who seem to preach not going to college (Mike Cernovic, Victor Pride, Good Looking Loser) all went to college and did pretty well for themselves as a result of it, even if they don't realise, so I think they are kinda hypocritical.

[Captain Gh]

As long as you like to work with your hands and love physical stuff and putting parts together Welding can definitely work out for you, as it did for me. But since your passion is in the arts, then go for it and just block out the leftist part of it as much as possible. You don't want to be the guy that's scared to go after his passion because of the leftist agenda

[rw95]

(08-23-2015 05:52 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:46 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

However, after fully ingesting red pill truths, I know that I simply cannot continue going to college and watching the mass indoctrination all around me

I think you've gone from one extreme of brainwashing to another. Getting a degree is not going to hurt you and will probably benefit you, especially if you are already half way through your course. The bloggers I've seen who seem to preach not going to college (Mike Cernovic, Victor Pride, Good Looking Loser) all went to college and did pretty well for themselves as a result of it, even if they don't realise, so I think they are kinda hypocritical.

A part of me is inclined to agree with you. I know a lot of these manosphere bloggers have gone to college themselves despite their pontificating against it, and as such it does seem a tad suspect that they are telling younger guys like me not to go to college. I'm also inclined to agree that perhaps I have gone a bit too extreme with the red pill (perhaps I'm not as far out of the anger phase as I thought I was). However, that is exactly why I'm turning to my fellow red pillers for assistance with this matter. I'm assuming that the majority of bloggers and posters on this and other forums are at least 10+ years older than I am, and as such the ones who have gone to college and are pontificating now against it are ones who went and finished when it was still (mostly) guaranteed that a degree would land you a well-paying job

(08-23-2015 12:19 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Or you could get a white collar job and do blue collar gigs in the side or for fun.

I work in. A cushy office and am done with my work by noon but I'm working on my electrician apprentice license for fun and because I've done such work since a kid.

Fuck being 45 and still working as a welder or electrician.

With all due respect, I personally have no interest in working an office job, and felt that way long before I was aware of the red pill. If someone wants to work a white collar job and makes that decision on his own, I hold nothing against him. I however, take offense to being forced to go down this path with no alternative options.

(08-23-2015 06:05 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

As long as you like to work with your hands and love physical stuff and putting parts together Welding can definitely work out for you, as it did for me. But since your passion is in the arts, then go for it and just block out the leftist part of it as much as possible. You don't want to be the guy that's scared to go after his passion because of the leftist agenda

As with the first quote, I am also inclined to agree with you. I have read a great deal of posts both here and on ROK about the collapse of western society, and as such have become increasingly disillusioned about following my dreams. Like I said earlier, perhaps I am looking at things the wrong way and have not completely exited the anger stage of taking the red pill yet. Nonetheless, I need a fallback of some kind in case my dreams don't pan out, and I feel blue collar work would be good for me.

Not necessarily shooting anyone down, just trying to clarify my position on things.

[The Beast1]

Like all things that cost money, you shouldn't go into them without a plan. College is no exception.

If you look more closely at most manosphere bloggers, they're saying, "Don't go to college and pick any old major." If you're going to go to college you damn well better be sure to have a plan.

If you don't know what you want to do (eg have no identifiable passions at the moment), ask yourself this question:
What is the standard of living you want when you immediately graduate college (assuming no monies help from parents)?

Do you want to "follow your dream" of being in the arts? Then be ready to accept that you will most likely be living with 7 other people in a poor part of town, not have any access to credit, eating poor quality food, and working exceptionally long hours.

If you want all the monies, take into consideration skills of yours that are high value in the market place. Things like mathematics, programming, engineering, and the like. Do you have any such skills?

The problem is, most people don't know what they want. In all honesty at your age I didn't know either, though in my gut I knew computers were where I was going to make my claim. It wasn't until I graduated that I realized my lit degree wasn't going to lead to anything concrete.

Sobering fact is, most college degrees teach nothing of value for the current and future job market.

[Spectrumwalker]

You are young. I think most guys have know idea what they what at that age. If I were you, I would start working at whatever job I could get and just start stashing cash.

In the meantime keep an open mind about different career opportunities that interest you. Check with your local universities or trade unions to see if they have any type of short course that could allow you to dabble around a bit and see what spikes your interest.

Here is something to consider. Pile aways as much cash as you can for a couple of years, and then head to Australia on a working holiday visa. This way you can travel, have some unique experiences, and continue to make money at the same time. Many of the colleges in Australia offer short courses for international students about different topics. Whether it be welding, bartending, web design, auto shop etc. I think thats a great way for a young man to develop himself while trying to find his niche.

You will never get your youth back. Go forth and conquer.

[jake1720]

Engineering will open a lot of doors. If you don't know what to do going to school for engineering is never a terrible idea.

[Monty_Brogan]

I work in the trades (elevator -which I highly recommend>> https://www.iuec.org/), but let me tell you something: It's fucking WORK. And I truly mean it. Before this I worked for the railroad and before that I was in the Marine Corps so I'm not scared to get my hands dirty, but this job still takes a toll on you (like all of the skilled trades).

You better be strong, thick skinned -you will eat A LOT of fucking crow, quick on your feet, and mechanically inclined -know how to read a ruler, know how to use tools -rachets, hammer drill, power drill, impact, etc, etc.

The skilled trades I would look into if I was you, OP: plumbers, pipe-fitters, elevator constructors, electricians, iron workers.

Google: "Your town name" Electrician union apprenticeship openings

Every so often your local skilled trades will hold recruitment fairs. Show up, sign up for a test >> pass the test you get an interview >> do good on the interview >> you get a good ranking >> the union will call men of that list as companies need help.

Your problem will be, you'll be competing with men like me -combat vets, experience from another trade, guys who already have welding certs or A.S. in electrical XX, etc.

Your options if you really want to stop college -just remember, the trades aren't a place for pussies.

I) Go to the military and learn a trade

II) Search google for apprenticeship openings in your area and throw your hat in the ring -probably high odds of getting on, but give it a try

III) Go to a community college and get either a welding cert or a A.S. in electrical tech or similar -preferably you can knock 'em both out at the same time. Probably a year for welding and two for your A.S.

Good luck and PM if you have any questions (I would go military first, but that's just me.)

[scotian]

First of all, tell your dad to fuck off, he sounds like a hater, kind of like my dad who wouldn't stop bitching at me to get a good government job like he had until I started showing him my weekly pay cheques where I was clearing more in a week than he did in a month. Now, as for a work path, well I'll just throw this out there because its exactly what I wish I had done when I was your age, its very niche and not too many people have heard of it but here it goes: offshore rope access NDT technician. Basically these crazy fuckers hang hundreds of meters in the air from ropes and test metal structures (welds, etc), they make about $500-1000 USD/day and work all over the world: Canada, Norway, Brazil, Nigeria, Indonesia, Australia, etc. You won't have too many boring days at work that's for sure!

[Mike0060]

Take STEM or Accounting as a degree. Or go to a vocational school and do university later with no debt.

[greekgod]

(08-23-2015 10:02 AM)rw95 Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 05:52 AM)the-dream Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:46 PM)rw95 Wrote:  

However, after fully ingesting red pill truths, I know that I simply cannot continue going to college and watching the mass indoctrination all around me

I think you've gone from one extreme of brainwashing to another. Getting a degree is not going to hurt you and will probably benefit you, especially if you are already half way through your course. The bloggers I've seen who seem to preach not going to college (Mike Cernovic, Victor Pride, Good Looking Loser) all went to college and did pretty well for themselves as a result of it, even if they don't realise, so I think they are kinda hypocritical.

A part of me is inclined to agree with you. I know a lot of these manosphere bloggers have gone to college themselves despite their pontificating against it, and as such it does seem a tad suspect that they are telling younger guys like me not to go to college. I'm also inclined to agree that perhaps I have gone a bit too extreme with the red pill (perhaps I'm not as far out of the anger phase as I thought I was). However, that is exactly why I'm turning to my fellow red pillers for assistance with this matter. I'm assuming that the majority of bloggers and posters on this and other forums are at least 10+ years older than I am, and as such the ones who have gone to college and are pontificating now against it are ones who went and finished when it was still (mostly) guaranteed that a degree would land you a well-paying job

Those bloggers made their success in spite of going to college. You don't know their names because of any training, courses, and jobs they received out of college. You know their names because they were smart enough to begin writing about the bizarro world we live in. College operates on the sunk cost fallacy and plays right into corporations hands. Over saturated labor market puts downward pressure on wages and a smaller margin for error/behavior on the employee. If anything, college teaches you risk=bad and compliance=good. Try that for 15 years and tell me where you get.

I'm a recruiter. I talk to job seekers all day. 90% of them are lifeless and will accept almost anything you throw at them. Add to that fact you have corporations actively outsourcing, a disaster of an H1B program, and nonsensical hiring practices. The map is fraught with traps and the only safe passage to sustained employment is compliance.

If you can find a trade or useful skill, do it & don't think twice. White collar jobs are where dreams go to die, 90% of the time.

(08-23-2015 06:05 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

As long as you like to work with your hands and love physical stuff and putting parts together Welding can definitely work out for you, as it did for me. But since your passion is in the arts, then go for it and just block out the leftist part of it as much as possible. You don't want to be the guy that's scared to go after his passion because of the leftist agenda

As with the first quote, I am also inclined to agree with you. I have read a great deal of posts both here and on ROK about the collapse of western society, and as such have become increasingly disillusioned about following my dreams. Like I said earlier, perhaps I am looking at things the wrong way and have not completely exited the anger stage of taking the red pill yet. Nonetheless, I need a fallback of some kind in case my dreams don't pan out, and I feel blue collar work would be good for me.

Not necessarily shooting anyone down, just trying to clarify my position on things.

Agree with you ten fold. Artistry requires freedom of expression. You can't fully be an artist if your self muting/censoring due to political correctness. There is a narrative around the creative world and it isn't kind to the red pill mentality. If you can keep that under wraps while making a name, its doable.

I perform on stage and am in constant conflict with the liberalist progressiveness I'm subjected to. If my characters don't convey certain ideologies, the tension in the room increases exponentially. Its warped my thoughts on whether or not I want undue attention in this society. Think long and hard about what you sign up for.

You're 19, you are way ahead of the game. Try anything that interests you, assess, and operate with zero obligations, you will find the right path quickly.

[Chaos]

^ scotian, damn that video is awesome. What a cool job.

Got any more videos of similar hardcore jobs to share?