[Sgt]

(08-21-2015 03:59 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

"Funny" thing is, France actually is a big, big friend of Islamic countries across the World!

So, why do islamist terrorists still target France?? makes no sense at all... They should love us and be grateful.

They're preying on the weak. Giving them stuff / giving in to their demands does not signal "friendship" to them, it signals "useful idiot"

[Emanuël]

(08-21-2015 04:16 PM)Sgt Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:59 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

"Funny" thing is, France actually is a big, big friend of Islamic countries across the World!

So, why do islamist terrorists still target France?? makes no sense at all... They should love us and be grateful.

They're preying on the weak. Giving them stuff / giving in to their demands does not signal "friendship" to them, it signals "useful idiot"

Actually, the attack was on Belgian soil.

[Foolsgo1d]

You cannot possibly defend against these attacks save for hail mary luck such as these Marines. I'm pretty sure their training set off alarm bells in their heads as they listened.

This is definitely a would-be terrorist slaughter make no mistake. How the hell would you escape a man armed with an assault rifle on a packed train?

You have to be a sick motherfucker to carry this out and funnily enough a well known ideology flying a black flag attracts such people.

[Going strong]

(08-21-2015 04:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Aren't you Europeans glad you've got these immigrants adding diversity to your nations, and firing the Kalashnikovs that your own citizens are unable or unwilling to fire?

Many Europeans would indeed be willing to fire, in self-defense... but laws are against us.

Anyway, truth be told, these few crazy Islamists are just a sideshow, in France, a noisy (and sometimes bloody, yes) disturbance... Real problem is, the millions of Sub-saharian (Black) migrants, from impoverished Africa, coming illegally to our shores. They will bring France to its knees. Not "Extreme Islamism".

[Fast Eddie]

(08-21-2015 04:57 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 04:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Aren't you Europeans glad you've got these immigrants adding diversity to your nations, and firing the Kalashnikovs that your own citizens are unable or unwilling to fire?

Many Europeans would indeed be willing to fire, in self-defense... but laws are against us.

Anyway, truth be told, these few crazy Islamists are just a sideshow, in France, a noisy (and sometimes bloody, yes) disturbance... Real problem is, the millions of Sub-saharian (Black) migrants, from impoverished Africa, coming illegally to our shores. They will bring France to its knees. Not "Extreme Islamism".

It's not an either/or type of thing. North African Arabs and Sub Saharan Africans are already combining to form a vast, fifth-column underclass that hates the native population. The only question at the end of the day will be whose blood it will be flowing on the streets.

[Going strong]

(08-21-2015 02:54 PM)Blick Mang Wrote:  

Islamic terror attack, U.S. military saving Frenchmen.

You could pull out the newspaper from 100 years ago and probably find the same headlines.

Actually, pulling out the newspapers from 100 (or 99) years ago, you'd find endless stories of the incredible bravery and resilience of French soldiers, during the battle of Verdun: half a million Frenchmen fighting and dying, without surrendering one square meter of land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun

But in 100 years, pussyfication, leftism, feminism, political-correctness, have reduced us to... how to say it? Western sissies I guess...

[Going strong]

(08-21-2015 05:09 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 04:57 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 04:15 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Aren't you Europeans glad you've got these immigrants adding diversity to your nations, and firing the Kalashnikovs that your own citizens are unable or unwilling to fire?

Many Europeans would indeed be willing to fire, in self-defense... but laws are against us.

Anyway, truth be told, these few crazy Islamists are just a sideshow, in France, a noisy (and sometimes bloody, yes) disturbance... Real problem is, the millions of Sub-saharian (Black) migrants, from impoverished Africa, coming illegally to our shores. They will bring France to its knees. Not "Extreme Islamism".

It's not an either/or type of thing. North African Arabs and Sub Saharan Africans are already combining to form a vast, fifth-column underclass that hates the native population. The only question at the end of the day will be whose blood it will be flowing on the streets.

I rather disagree. Many North-African "Arabs", especially the educated women, but also many men, are integrating with local, "native" French, and feel the same way we do about the illegal Sub-Saharan (Black) Africans.

When I talk with (educated, and 80% of them are) French muslims, they think exactly the way I do about the illegal Sub-Saharan (Black) African migrants... Matter of fact, the Algerian and Moroccan States relentlessly fight against these Sub-Saharan (Black) African migrants, with the same fears we have (for their, and our, local economics, security issues, cultural survival)...

[RIslander]

Merica... kickin' ass in Europe for a hundred years!

Seriously though, amazing job by those Marines. Anyone who's even been through military or law enforcement weapons training knows there's no more distinguishing a sound than a slide rocking back.

[eljeffster]

(08-21-2015 02:09 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

Quote:

• Shooting in France on Paris-Amsterdam train
• Briton and American seriously wounded
• Gunman had Kalashnikov and several knives
• US Marines heard suspect loading gun and tackled him

A man has been arrested after firing a Kalashnikov rifle on board an Amsterdam-Paris train, according to French media.
Le Parisien reports that a Briton and an American are "seriously" wounded.
A third person, the French actor Jean-Hugues Anglade, was also wounded and is said to have raised the alarm.
La Voix du Nord, a newspaper in the Calais region, said a man was arrested on suspicion of firing the weapon on a Thalys train near the northern town of Arras.
Police say that have not ruled out terrorism as a possible motive and Bernard Cazeneuve, the French interior minister, has been summoned to the region.
The gunman, said to be of "North African origin," is said to have been "taken down" by a group of US marines onboard the train.

Link = The Telegraph.uk

You forgot to include the updated news reports that several European countries that have historically complained about U.S. bases and soldiers in European territory have suddenly started rethinking their opposition. . .

[Eskhander]

Why don't they just vote for Marine Le Penn? All they are doing is helping her power.

[Duke Castile]

One Marine is reported to have been shot in the neck and dying or dead.

Motherfuckers.

God bless those heroes.

[RexImperator]

Quote:

A spokesman for the United States European Command confirmed that one of the passengers who had been injured was a soldier, and said his life was not in danger.

http://reut.rs/1PqqvXj

[balmainjeans]

(08-21-2015 03:23 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:19 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:16 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 02:56 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I thought they were supposed to have strict gun bans in France. To the point even few police carry them.

Not true, all French policemen carry guns (mostly Sig Sauers)... and only the low-level "municipal police" (small-town auxiliary police) don't carry firearms.

Gotcha.

I just wonder how they are getting these guys. I suppose they are being snuck over the border, but don't all the countries surrounding France have decent gun restrictions as well.

With all the guns in the USA, getting your hands on a gun like this would be tough. But in the middle of Europe it is hard to fathom.

The Kalashs mostly come from Bosnia, Kosovo... by car or greyhound-like tourist buses...

Thanks to Schengen free-traveling, gun runners only have one real border to cross, the Croatian one... then it's free ride to Berlin or Paris...

Technically not true. Croatia, though EU, still isn't part of the Schengen and therefore still has border control. Coming by land from the Balkans, you'd need to pass through Slovenian or Hungarian border controls to enter the Schengen zone, which from there you can you can freely travel between many countries.

As for the thread topic, incredible story. Can't believe some marines happened to be inside the train to prevent the gunman from taking a single life. I live within a few hours drive from where the attack took place. Have only spoken to a friend and colleague about it so far, but the typical downplaying and excuses are being given to further ignore the problem here. So many people still in denial, it's unfortunate.

[Parzival]

Why everyone suggest they are Marines?
I read one is from the Oregon National guard and the other is in the Air Force.

[iknowexactly]

To the commenter that asked why aren't Muslims grateful to the tolerant, generous French? The same reason Europe isn't screening against uneducated, culturally incompatible refugees:

"Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain ."
--Schiller

Good the brave presumably unarmed soldiers safely made some points for USA too bad scumbag got a few rounds off.

[Eskhander]

You will hear that this happens in France because France is so racist, and especially so towards Muslims. Usually followed by how France has banned the burka/niqab and possibly the French-Algerian War.

And hell, the most popular party I understand is the National Front but it is valiantly prevented from power by tactical voting (it goes to the second round and the supporters of whichever party lost vote against it).

Well, here is how you screw with those assumptions.
Italy does not even recognize Islam as a religion. It cites the "poor reputation" of the religion as a justification.
Japan has more restrictions on the religion than France, even banning Dawa (the proselytizing). I don't see many of these attacks in Italy or Japan.
Japan obviously has few Muslims but Italy has a fair share. The most that happened was some ISIS wannabes tried to kill the Pope and didn't even get close to succeeding.

Sadly, you'll be fighting in the dark if you try to report on the ethnic and religious issues in France because the French government does not keep ethnic and religious data like other European countries do. So don't even try unless you're really sure.

[mikado]

[EuroSlumming]

Those American guys are very calm in that video, they really prevented a massacre.

I read on another report that said one of the soldiers was making the weapons safe and he found that the Kalashnikov had jammed, without that happening he probably wouldn't have made the distance to tackle him.

[Going strong]

It seems that this terrorist's Kalashnikov jammed... he had to shoot with a .45 handgun... that is why the brave US soldier (Spencer Stone) had time to run at him, and jump on him... then El Kahzzani tried to cut Stone's fingers with a cutter... but instead, he got beaten up good

the US hero:

[Phoenix]

Honourable men. I hope they get medals. I think this is one thing that needs to be trained into men at school - the honour of risking your life to preserve the peace, and to protect and to save your people from bad guys. I think every country should have a program of some militia training for young men, like the Swiss do, so that every man is prepared for situations like this, and knows his duty.

A similar uplifting story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishnu_Shr...y_incident

[Going strong]

(08-22-2015 01:16 AM)balmainjeans Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:23 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:19 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 03:16 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 02:56 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

I thought they were supposed to have strict gun bans in France. To the point even few police carry them.

Not true, all French policemen carry guns (mostly Sig Sauers)... and only the low-level "municipal police" (small-town auxiliary police) don't carry firearms.

Gotcha.

I just wonder how they are getting these guys. I suppose they are being snuck over the border, but don't all the countries surrounding France have decent gun restrictions as well.

With all the guns in the USA, getting your hands on a gun like this would be tough. But in the middle of Europe it is hard to fathom.

The Kalashs mostly come from Bosnia, Kosovo... by car or greyhound-like tourist buses...

Thanks to Schengen free-traveling, gun runners only have one real border to cross, the Croatian one... then it's free ride to Berlin or Paris...

Technically not true. Croatia, though EU, still isn't part of the Schengen and therefore still has border control. Coming by land from the Balkans, you'd need to pass through Slovenian or Hungarian border controls to enter the Schengen zone, which from there you can you can freely travel between many countries.

I maintain what I was saying. The only "hot" (dangerous for them) border the gun runners have to cross coming from Bosnia, is indeed the Croatian border (from Croatia entering into Slovenia)... the other Croatian border (from Bosnia entering into Croatia) doesn't matter, being porous and crossed by foot by peasants all the time...

Precisely, it is the road Rijeka-Trieste that's the European hot gun-smuggling road...

[Rutting Elephant]

Stereotypically cynical French comment under a Le Monde piece:
"Hats off to them, for their trouble I'll watch Full Metal Jacket."

[Going strong]

(08-22-2015 03:29 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

To the commenter that asked why aren't Muslims grateful to the tolerant, generous French? The same reason Europe isn't screening against uneducated, culturally incompatible refugees:

"Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain ."
--Schiller

You see stupidity, where I see high treason. Not quite the same...

Our politicians are purposefully, knowingly, betraying us Europeans. They get paid for that (guess by whom?)... They are not stupids, they are clever criminals who get rewarded for their heinous acts.

[Phoenix]

(08-22-2015 04:54 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Our politicians are purposefully, knowingly, betraying us Europeans. They get paid for that (guess by whom?)... They are not stupids, they are clever criminals who get rewarded for their heinous acts.

Yeah it's not even ambiguous. The more violence, crime, and social malais the political class can foment, the more power they can seize. I have zero doubt that they actually get joy whenever innocent people get shot or blown up, would like to see more of it, and happily act towards that goal. The majority of Europe's evil sociopaths are once again in the halls of power, and it's high time for an uprising. I'd go as far as to say that returning to absolute monarchs would be better than the current European constitution.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(08-21-2015 03:23 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Thanks to Schengen free-traveling, gun runners only have one real border to cross, the Croatian one... then it's free ride to Berlin or Paris...

We are not in the Schengen and won't be for at least a few more years.

The current official border is at Slovenia and Hungary.

p.s. I see that you clarified here:

Quote:

I maintain what I was saying. The only "hot" (dangerous for them) border the gun runners have to cross coming from Bosnia, is indeed the Croatian border (from Croatia entering into Slovenia)... the other Croatian border (from Bosnia entering into Croatia) doesn't matter, being porous and crossed by foot by peasants all the time...

Precisely, it is the road Rijeka-Trieste that's the European hot gun-smuggling road...

Carry on...