[vinman]

Cussetta County Georgia 1991. As the lowest ranking NCO (shit rolls down hill) I went to court with a soldier who was getting hit with child support. I watched in horror how southern courts can go. There was another soldier being sued for child support without a DNA test. He brings in 3 witnesses, all men that he knows had sex with the woman about the same time (barracks hoe). The judge asks "if they all had carnal knowledge of this woman", and they all answered yes. He hit them all with an equal portion of the child support. In another case, a civilian said he knew the kid wasn't his because the "real" father was a Hispanic guy. The judge told him "when it comes to children, if you feed them long enough they'll look like you". I don't know how much this shit has changed down there since then. This is why I never told bitches my real name for decades.

[mikado]

(08-10-2015 07:48 AM)vinman Wrote:  

Cussetta County Georgia 1991. As the lowest ranking NCO (shit rolls down hill) I went to court with a soldier who was getting hit with child support. I watched in horror how southern courts can go. There was another soldier being sued for child support without a DNA test. He brings in 3 witnesses, all men that he knows had sex with the woman about the same time (barracks hoe). The judge asks "if they all had carnal knowledge of this woman", and they all answered yes. He hit them all with an equal portion of the child support. In another case, a civilian said he knew the kid wasn't his because the "real" father was a Hispanic guy. The judge told him "when it comes to children, if you feed them long enough they'll look like you". I don't know how much this shit has changed down there since then. This is why I never told bitches my real name for decades.

This is why I have started since 2 years now to give a fake name to girls I meet.

[Samseau]

Judge forces man to marry slut, that's cool...

[Foolsgo1d]

The logic of Red State law would mean someday if you knock a ONS up you're going to jail or marry her. Does the heat produce more idiots there or what?

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(08-10-2015 05:30 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Surely a contract signed under threat of imprisonment has to automatically be invalid???

You mean like probation or agreeing to pay a state imposed fine? Both of those are cases of signing a contract under the threat of imprisonment, just like signing your income tax form.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(08-10-2015 05:30 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Surely a contract signed under threat of imprisonment has to automatically be invalid???

You mean like probation or agreeing to pay a state imposed fine? Both of those are cases of signing a contract under the threat of imprisonment, just like signing your income tax form.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(08-20-2015 10:59 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

(08-10-2015 05:30 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Surely a contract signed under threat of imprisonment has to automatically be invalid???

You mean like probation or agreeing to pay a state imposed fine? Both of those are cases of signing a contract under the threat of imprisonment, just like signing your income tax form.

Great point.

However, a marriage is a contract between two individuals, not an individual and the government. Shouldn't that make a difference in the legal sense?

[cascadecombo]

I see nothing being forced. He was offered 15days of jail. A light sentence, or an easy out. Mary up.

He chose the easy out. Or what he thinks is anyway.

[Suits]

(08-21-2015 05:58 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

I see nothing being forced. He was offered 15days of jail. A light sentence, or an easy out. Mary up.

He chose the easy out. Or what he thinks is anyway.

It's not a question of to what degree he was "forced." It's a question as to whether the legal system should be even be giving the option of "marriage" as a punishment for crimes.

[HankMoody]

(08-21-2015 06:33 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 05:58 AM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

I see nothing being forced. He was offered 15days of jail. A light sentence, or an easy out. Mary up.

He chose the easy out. Or what he thinks is anyway.

It's not a question of to what degree he was "forced." It's a question as to whether the legal system should be even be giving the option of "marriage" as a punishment for crimes.

It's completely unconstitutional to force a marriage under threat of imprisonment. Notably, the probation terms also included requiring him to write out a Bible verse 25 times a day ("If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it." -- Proverbs 26:27), in addition getting married within 30 days. The judge was imposing his adoption of Christianity on the defendant.

Personally, I am not all that opposed to judges imposing sentences that involve religion onto people, provided that person is religious in the first place. A deep reading of Proverbs is probably more beneficial than spending two weeks in a prison with professional criminals.

However, the law doesn't allow it.

[Cattle Rustler]

(08-09-2015 07:40 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

He definitely married up because her hair will grow long before this omega chump's man boobs ever go away. To all the people saying he should "call the ACLU": You obviously dont understand what the ACLU is and what they do. They are SJW's just like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, and the rest. Good luck getting their help as a white male wronged by the justice system.

The ACLU has represented the KK and other "white groups" before.

Read up or shut up.

[cascadecombo]

(08-21-2015 06:41 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

It's completely unconstitutional to force a marriage under threat of imprisonment. Notably, the probation terms also included requiring him to write out a Bible verse 25 times a day ("If a man digs a pit, he will fall into it." -- Proverbs 26:27), in addition getting married within 30 days. The judge was imposing his adoption of Christianity on the defendant.

Personally, I am not all that opposed to judges imposing sentences that involve religion onto people, provided that person is religious in the first place. A deep reading of Proverbs is probably more beneficial than spending two weeks in a prison with professional criminals.

However, the law doesn't allow it.

How is it forced? He was admitting guilt to assault and battery, with intent that could possibly be construed as "to kill" depending on how people spun it. It was 15 days in prison, hardly a long time. A buddy of mine broke a guys jaw due to his ex getting a new boyfriend [he broke the new boyfriends jaw] and he was only sentenced to jail time. No options.

As for the proverb, it's a proverb. Despite the religious origin it's words still speak truth. That would be like if I memorized a Confucian proverb, and then people saying I'm suddenly under the belief of Confucianism.

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It's not a question of to what degree he was "forced." It's a question as to whether the legal system should be even be giving the option of "marriage" as a punishment for crimes.

I'm not sure it was intended as a punishment. The guy got into a fight for a chick, the judge I think, was trying to get the dude to realize you shouldn't waste your time fighting over chicks. And the guy was unable to realize that.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(08-21-2015 07:33 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 07:40 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

He definitely married up because her hair will grow long before this omega chump's man boobs ever go away. To all the people saying he should "call the ACLU": You obviously dont understand what the ACLU is and what they do. They are SJW's just like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, and the rest. Good luck getting their help as a white male wronged by the justice system.

The ACLU has represented the KK and other "white groups" before.

Read up or shut up.

I did not not know the ACLU represented Kim Kardashian. You are right I should read more, of course I am busy making money and getting young pussy.
I do know that only an idiot would take two years probation over 7 weekends in jail.

[VincentVinturi]

How the fuck did it get to the point where the State can stick its fat nose in a man's business so brazenly?

I mean, two guys getting into a fairly harmless fight and it requires a visit to the courthouse?

That's some bitch shit.

Not only that, but this sanctimonious judge is allowed to (seemingly) invent his own punishment, humiliate this man and disrupt his life with this bogus ultimatum, and appropriate moral high ground for himself on the basis of what he probably thinks is God's work.

Fuck this redneck judge. Men need to fight each other sometimes. If nobody got seriously hurt, suck it up and move on with your lives.

It's whiny pussy ass betas who go whining to big daddy government anytime something goes wrong that enable the police state to bury its nose up our asses, stick its hands in our pockets, and terrorize us on our own land.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(08-21-2015 10:12 AM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 07:33 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 07:40 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

He definitely married up because her hair will grow long before this omega chump's man boobs ever go away. To all the people saying he should "call the ACLU": You obviously dont understand what the ACLU is and what they do. They are SJW's just like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, and the rest. Good luck getting their help as a white male wronged by the justice system.

The ACLU has represented the KK and other "white groups" before.

Read up or shut up.

I did not not know the ACLU represented Kim Kardashian. You are right I should read more, of course I am busy making money and getting young pussy.
I do know that only an idiot would take two years probation over 7 weekends in jail.

edit: most texas counties give two-for-one county jail credits so this guy actually is gambling that his wife, probation officer, run-ins with ex-BF's, etc will not violate him over the next two years and he will not be remanded to a state penitentiary for two years when he could have done one week in jail. Four weekends if you can show your obviously christian and partial judge that you have a job.
Probation and parole is like living your life on a razors edge. This guy would be much safer in a county jail infirmary for seven day than in a Texas State Prison for 24 months. This guy is gonna kiss that woman's ass, and his P.O.'s ass and better hope he doesn't piss dirty, or miss a domestic violence anger management class, or get pulled over, or arrested again, or associate with felons. You are not even allowed to drink alcohol or be in any venue where it is available, like your parents 50th anniversary or god forbid your wedding or any one else's wedding. Oh yeah, Texas state also charges you a couple hundred of dollars a month as well for the pleasure of their community supervision.

Seduction of PO's and lab-techs can ease the pain for those of us who are so inclined but you better have your game tight your freedom is on the line.
-Natural Born Gyalist

[Samseau]

(08-21-2015 12:47 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

How the fuck did it get to the point where the State can stick its fat nose in a man's business so brazenly?

I mean, two guys getting into a fairly harmless fight and it requires a visit to the courthouse?

That's some bitch shit.

Dude kicked the shit out of someone and the state isn't allowed to get involved? Don't know what kind of a world you want to live in, but I prefer one without assault and battery being legal, thanks.

[VincentVinturi]

(08-21-2015 06:54 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Dude kicked the shit out of someone and the state isn't allowed to get involved? Don't know what kind of a world you want to live in, but I prefer one without assault and battery being legal, thanks.

I prefer to handle my own business.

State involvement in private affairs is a slippery slope.

The government is just *aching* to be more and more up everybody's cornhole.

That's how it feeds itself.

And I get the point that without government intervening things might degenerate into some kind of tribal anarchy.

I honestly don't know what the answer is en masse.

But my view on this comes from spending a lot of time around professional fighters:

Don't fuck with people for no reason or you will get your ass handed back to you two-fold.

I don't know if this guy deserved to get his butt kicked or not but if some dude whooped my ass for no good reason, I wouldn't want the law involved.

I would either step to the guy myself or with my friends, or protect myself better in the future by carrying a weapon.

If people KNEW that other people are armed and aren't going to take shit or take a slip on the wrist like a court would give, they'd think twice about starting shit.

Just look at the prank in the hood youtube videos.

Dudes in the hood aren't looking for trouble but they're always ready for it.

These guys always take matters into their own hands swiftly and brutally, and for that I really respect them.

They're more alive and vital and honest than the average beta schlub.

The average suburban male doesn't have the balls to pop a guy even when he is in his face, clearly disrespecting him with no provocation.

Those are the kinds of guys who always want government to step in on their behalf.

They're incentivized to take a victim mentality because they're 'weaker' or 'downtrodden'.

They're disincentivized from fighting back when somebody harasses them.

They're incentivized to support a police state.

They're disincentivized for taking responsibility for their own protection.

Just like the rape culture nonsense where women put themselves in dangerous situations and then want to be treated like a protected species by the state.

We can't whine about becoming a culture of wussies and expect the state to fight our battles for us simultaneously.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

While I abhor jumping people or side-swipers, I believe that a good old round of fisticuffs is sometimes necessary in order to determine who actually is the better man that day.
If it is between two gentlemen I would assume that the Marquis of Queensbury rules would be in effect, if it is just some random punk off the street-anything goes.
Rarely are people ever in fights that cannot be avoided.
My grandfather was in WWI, WWII, and Korea, he had a saying:"Some people just need killing, son."
Some people just need a good ass whooping sometimes.

[wemonger]

(08-21-2015 07:33 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(08-09-2015 07:40 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

He definitely married up because her hair will grow long before this omega chump's man boobs ever go away. To all the people saying he should "call the ACLU": You obviously dont understand what the ACLU is and what they do. They are SJW's just like the Southern Poverty Law Center, Al Sharpton, Gloria Allred, and the rest. Good luck getting their help as a white male wronged by the justice system.

The ACLU has represented the KK and other "white groups" before.

Read up or shut up.

How quickly things have changed. The ACLU no longer aligns itself on the access of rights.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/06/21/aclu-...ree-speech

[Rush87]

Boo hoo. The dude assaulted someone. He could have taken his insignificant jail time like a man. He didn't have to marry her.

[Jetset]

I didn't read the article, but if you're in a physical altercation with your girlfriend's ex and you're all over the age of about 20, you've got to consider that your girlfriend's trash who dates trash and this might be the last red flag you're going to get before it's too late. Losing 15 days and whatever chump job he had is nothing compared to eternal family court bliss with some skank.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I know of a case where a guy was busted with a large amount of pot and LSD, and he managed a plea bargain where the charges were dropped if he enlisted in the US Marine Corps, which he did. I have heard this happens fairly often, but this is a case where I knew the circumstances directly. Now this was in the 80's so it may be less common now.

I think offering the option of marriage is a similar thing. It's not viewed as a direct punishment. It's viewed as an option to step up and "be a man" as an alternative to being put in jail. Jail and even probation often lead to a spiraling pattern of failure, so if you can put somebody on a different path, it makes sense.

The reason this is viewed so negatively on the forum is that we now view marriage as a bad deal. The judge is probably old school, and still thinks marriage is the bedrock of society, and thinks it helps turn boys into men.

I also agree it looks like he married up, and if she grew her hair longer, she'd wouldn't look that bad compared to the armies of blue haired fatties running around nowadays.

[Chrome]

Soon if you use the wrong pronoun or conduct hate speech you will face a life sentence or mandatory sex reassignment for "rehabilitation".

There's probably a case in the Ninth Circuit right now.

[moneyshot]

Dude's an idiot for not just taking the jail time, period. Girls love a bad boy who's done time before anyway... well, for some things.

[eradicator]

Should have definitely taken the 2 weeks in jail. Or got the marriage annulled the next day