[Nordwand]

Something that I've noticed in my home town of late, not in large numbers, but enough to make me take notice, is presentable young men, in good physical shape, with women that I never would have entertained when I was their age.

[Capitan Pescanova]

the more the technology advances, the more "irreal" SMV women will have. These nerds from silicon valley always come up with a new way to empower women and create inflation in smv's women value. As if it were not enough, Europe is being flooded literally by thousands of thirsty male immigrants who want white pussy, which will negatively impact on the women to men ratio since most immigrants as I said are men. These days I am gaming 16-17 years old who are out of the scope of many of these men. Nonetheless, I am getting older and this strategy has a expiry date

[jeffreyjerpp]

(07-18-2018 01:01 PM)Capitan Pescanova Wrote:  

the more the technology advances, the more "irreal" SMV women will have. These nerds from silicon valley always come up with a new way to empower women and create inflation in smv's women value. As if it were not enough, Europe is being flooded literally by thousands of thirsty male immigrants who want white pussy, which will negatively impact on the women to men ratio since most immigrants as I said are men. These days I am gaming 16-17 years old who are out of the scope of many of these men. Nonetheless, I am getting older and this strategy has a expiry date

Are you in Europe? If you don't mind my asking, what is your age, roughly speaking?

I don't actually have a problem with dudes gaming girls 16 and over. That is a reasonable age for girls to become "fair play", and high school girls were well understood to be desirable in the USA before the feminist morality police shamed men into pretending not to notice that a lot of 17 year old girls are pretty hot.

[BadKing]

@Feldeinsamkeit

They take what they can get. If it has to be the crazies and the whales; but they can get laid; I’ve seen it.

I see inceldom as being natural selection. If you’re an inferior organism you have no right to choose who you sleep with, and pussy of any kind isn’t owned to you. You fight for survival or your genes die.

Even Roosh who is a decent looking, masculine, intelligent, tall man, had to work like a mule to get what he got. But in the long run it made him a stronger man.

Getting power can never be too hard, because the harder it is, the more responsible you are with it when you get it, and the better person and leader you become.

[loremipsum]

(07-14-2018 04:39 PM)Repo Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 03:14 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 03:04 PM)Repo Wrote:  

But if your an incel and aren't getting laid, you aren't a red pilled man. Part of the red pill is seeing and understanding women for what they are, and acting accordingly to get what you want. If someone isnt getting laid, then they aren't doing that.

Dislike of females behavior does not equal red pilled, the bar is higher.

This is an extremely interesting point you raise. So are you saying that being redpill automatically puts a guy into a position that he is always able to act so as to avoid the incel trap? Don't get me wrong, I believe Game is an invaluable toolkit and, further, can - and no doubt actually has - helped to save lives, but to claim that a redpill understanding of women automatically enables one to act in accordance with that knowledge to achieve sexual success seems way too optimistic a hope for many guys, especially those living in the Anglosphere, where even an unwillingness to act on that knowledge isn't the main factor standing in those guys' way. Unless you allow for expatriation to greener pastures as one means of "acting accordingly", that is, I'd have to disagree.

Yes. Getting laid is incredibly easy in the Anglosphere, maybe near the easiest it's ever been given how open women are nowadays. As a red pilled person, you figure things out and make them work, so of course expatraition is ok. Success in life is never achieved by everyone, so of course some who want it may never find it, but it's certainly achievable with the right mindset.

You could almost make a metaphor to Christianity. To know that someone truly believes and has an understanding, you will see it in their actions. Someone who sits in his basement who "understands what women want" but never actually improves himself, lifts, makes money, moves to a better location, works on his personality, etc etc, is a loser. Not a red pilled man. Someone who reads the bible and "believes" but never actually does any good in this world probably isnt a true Christian.

I think it's worse to understand and learn all the red pill teachings and not take action, than to never learn them at all.
It's seriously damaging for some people. Just look at incel forums, they are aware of the hypergamy and all, but don't do anything to improve.

Another example is /r/theredpill where people have learned the teachings but in their autistic rage only go to gym but never approach. I remember reading about a post with tens of upvotes where a guy claimed that if he just gets muscular and ripped, women will approach him. Good luck with that.

[kamoz]

(07-14-2018 03:33 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

A big reason for this incel problem is the fact that society is overflowing with men. In a lot of cities, single guys outnumber single women almost 2 to 1 when you take into consideration the prime ages for dating and hookups.

People will argue that you can simply "be alpha" and "have game" to get hot girls but when the same girl has been:

1. Flooded with approaches from tons of normal guys.

2. Has a ton of guys in her social circle making the move on her.

3. Gets flooded with messages on dating apps and online dating websites from a bunch of dudes.

Does not matter what their value is, her ego is inflated. Hot girls are not the only ones going through this, so are normal looking girls and occasionally even ugly women. The reason men in past generations did not have to deal with this sort of thing is because a lot of events happened in society that kept the gender ratio stable. Society was never meant to have this many men because it doesn't need a lot of men in the first place, it needs just enough men and an overflow of women. A lot of you will say I am making the same argument as feminists but all of us would prefer a club or bar where there are 10 women to every one man than the other way around.

At its very core, this is the issue, there are just too many guys around and not enough women.

It doesn't matter if there are a lot of guys with high market value or losers and simps, all it takes is a ton of guys to start being thirsty to where women get an inflated ego. If you had a reversal to where women outnumbered men, the game would start to shift in the favor of men and women would be the ones who would have to settle.

This is an illusion that many men believe when they see the challenges in the modern sexual market amidst their own value:

(07-17-2018 11:38 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Could be me, I don't know. But I doubt it. I'm social, fit, tall, decent-looking etc. And yet I find myself toiling away on Tinder and day game trying to bang a 6 or a 7.

The above experience is similar to mine and I imagine yours. I've lived in a variety of cities across the US and here is what I've observed: medium to small-sized towns do have shitty gender ratios (more men than women). Why? Because young women flock to the bigger cities where universities and "muh careers" are. These larger cities on the other hand have, if anything, a slight surplus of women. However, many men even in these big cities will note similar challenges. Why? This picture sums it up far better than I can:



In the grand scheme of things, the gender ratio is pretty much 50-50. Like I said the only exceptions are smaller towns in the US, or perhaps certain countries like China due to selective abortion. Otherwise there are enough women so that each man could have one woman. In fact, SMV is also pretty equally distributed. Granted it's not as good on average as it was 50 years ago, but you could could pair up the fatties, normies, and top tier individuals pretty easily.

The problem is simply the deregulated sexual marketplace. Female hypergamy unleashed, as has been beaten to death over and over on this forum. As men we strive for logical explanations to our struggles, and a lop-sided gender ratio is just that. Many of us can't comprehend that the numbers are all there, it's just that women are just constantly shooting way out of there league until it's too late, due to basing their decisions on emotion rather than logic.

Suits addressed the fundamental problem which warrants being reposted:

(07-26-2015 11:57 PM)Suits Wrote:  

This is the problem with a highly illogical, self-centered subset of the population riding the carousel.

They honestly believe that just because the top 10% will willingly sleep with them, that they are in the same marriage market as those men.

The trouble doesn't begin when they hit their 30's. The reality is that these women are only single in their thirties because the never seem to actually lock down one of these "normal guys."

Their first mistake is wanting to ride the carousel. Women in late teens and early twenties are indeed competing with women who are a whole lot older. So a women that at 26, would not be all that competitive against other 26 year olds, at 21, she's a whole lot more competitive than most 26 year olds on virtue of nothing more than her age.

A 31 year old man who has done well will be somewhat interested in locking her down, because he knows that he's got earn himself nearly a decade of sex with youth, even if she's not going to be an 8 at the end of that decade. A woman who miraculously is an 8 at thirty years of age isn't going to be an 8 (or a 7 or a 6) for very long, so the younger woman (even if she's a 7 and 19) is going to be able to take on fast fading 8's and 9's,

Of course, women now rarely maximize on this potential and choose instead to do the trendy thing -- ride the carousel.

Self-deluded as they are, they make the mistake of assuming that just because they are still attracting the attention of the top 10% when they are 25, just like they did when they were 21, that they are still holding strong in the marriage market.

In truth, by 25, they've already lost, although it takes until 30, for the reality to really sink in.

Modern women can't tell the difference between being desirable for a one-night stand and being a legitimate candidate for a lifelong partnership with a man who has worked his ass off to be in the top 10%.

I want to add some things to this.

We as men actually have multiple standards when it comes to women, which can be summarized as follows:

1. Women we're willing to fuck.
2. Women we're willing to get into a relationship with.
3. Women we're willing to marry.

Women on the other hand, have one standard:

1. Men they're willing fuck, be in a relationship with, and marry. Period.

A woman is much more selective on who she fucks (typically). As much as Cosmo or other mainstream/feminist entities try to equalize the notch count concept between men and women, the fact still remains that women seek to at least attempt to minimize their notch count. In most cases, as long as a woman is willing to fuck you, she is willing to marry you. They believe that men think the same way, and who can blame them? Most men, before learning game, are the same way. They can't comprehend making decisions based on emotion and assume women think like they do.

[rpg]

(07-18-2018 04:00 PM)kamoz Wrote:  

(07-14-2018 03:33 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

A big reason for this incel problem is the fact that society is overflowing with men. In a lot of cities, single guys outnumber single women almost 2 to 1 when you take into consideration the prime ages for dating and hookups.

People will argue that you can simply "be alpha" and "have game" to get hot girls but when the same girl has been:

1. Flooded with approaches from tons of normal guys.

2. Has a ton of guys in her social circle making the move on her.

3. Gets flooded with messages on dating apps and online dating websites from a bunch of dudes.

Does not matter what their value is, her ego is inflated. Hot girls are not the only ones going through this, so are normal looking girls and occasionally even ugly women. The reason men in past generations did not have to deal with this sort of thing is because a lot of events happened in society that kept the gender ratio stable. Society was never meant to have this many men because it doesn't need a lot of men in the first place, it needs just enough men and an overflow of women. A lot of you will say I am making the same argument as feminists but all of us would prefer a club or bar where there are 10 women to every one man than the other way around.

At its very core, this is the issue, there are just too many guys around and not enough women.

It doesn't matter if there are a lot of guys with high market value or losers and simps, all it takes is a ton of guys to start being thirsty to where women get an inflated ego. If you had a reversal to where women outnumbered men, the game would start to shift in the favor of men and women would be the ones who would have to settle.

This is an illusion that many men believe when they see the challenges in the modern sexual market amidst their own value:

(07-17-2018 11:38 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Could be me, I don't know. But I doubt it. I'm social, fit, tall, decent-looking etc. And yet I find myself toiling away on Tinder and day game trying to bang a 6 or a 7.

The above experience is similar to mine and I imagine yours. I've lived in a variety of cities across the US and here is what I've observed: medium to small-sized towns do have shitty gender ratios (more men than women). Why? Because young women flock to the bigger cities where universities and "muh careers" are. These larger cities on the other hand have, if anything, a slight surplus of women. However, many men even in these big cities will note similar challenges. Why? This picture sums it up far better than I can:



In the grand scheme of things, the gender ratio is pretty much 50-50. Like I said the only exceptions are smaller towns in the US, or perhaps certain countries like China due to selective abortion. Otherwise there are enough women so that each man could have one woman. In fact, SMV is also pretty equally distributed. Granted it's not as good on average as it was 50 years ago, but you could could pair up the fatties, normies, and top tier individuals pretty easily.

The problem is simply the deregulated sexual marketplace. Female hypergamy unleashed, as has been beaten to death over and over on this forum. As men we strive for logical explanations to our struggles, and a lop-sided gender ratio is just that. Many of us can't comprehend that the numbers are all there, it's just that women are just constantly shooting way out of there league until it's too late, due to basing their decisions on emotion rather than logic.

Suits addressed the fundamental problem which warrants being reposted:

(07-26-2015 11:57 PM)Suits Wrote:  

This is the problem with a highly illogical, self-centered subset of the population riding the carousel.

They honestly believe that just because the top 10% will willingly sleep with them, that they are in the same marriage market as those men.

The trouble doesn't begin when they hit their 30's. The reality is that these women are only single in their thirties because the never seem to actually lock down one of these "normal guys."

Their first mistake is wanting to ride the carousel. Women in late teens and early twenties are indeed competing with women who are a whole lot older. So a women that at 26, would not be all that competitive against other 26 year olds, at 21, she's a whole lot more competitive than most 26 year olds on virtue of nothing more than her age.

A 31 year old man who has done well will be somewhat interested in locking her down, because he knows that he's got earn himself nearly a decade of sex with youth, even if she's not going to be an 8 at the end of that decade. A woman who miraculously is an 8 at thirty years of age isn't going to be an 8 (or a 7 or a 6) for very long, so the younger woman (even if she's a 7 and 19) is going to be able to take on fast fading 8's and 9's,

Of course, women now rarely maximize on this potential and choose instead to do the trendy thing -- ride the carousel.

Self-deluded as they are, they make the mistake of assuming that just because they are still attracting the attention of the top 10% when they are 25, just like they did when they were 21, that they are still holding strong in the marriage market.

In truth, by 25, they've already lost, although it takes until 30, for the reality to really sink in.

Modern women can't tell the difference between being desirable for a one-night stand and being a legitimate candidate for a lifelong partnership with a man who has worked his ass off to be in the top 10%.

I want to add some things to this.

We as men actually have multiple standards when it comes to women, which can be summarized as follows:

1. Women we're willing to fuck.
2. Women we're willing to get into a relationship with.
3. Women we're willing to marry.

Women on the other hand, have one standard:

1. Men they're willing fuck, be in a relationship with, and marry. Period.

A woman is much more selective on who she fucks (typically). As much as Cosmo or other mainstream/feminist entities try to equalize the notch count concept between men and women, the fact still remains that women seek to at least attempt to minimize their notch count. In most cases, as long as a woman is willing to fuck you, she is willing to marry you. They believe that men think the same way, and who can blame them? Most men, before learning game, are the same way. They can't comprehend making decisions based on emotion and assume women think like they do.

Lets rephrase that better. Men who women are willing to fuck and take all their shit. Marriage doesnt matter. Women want stuff and access to stuff.

[BadKing]

I think it depends on the man in regards to selecting women.

Almost every girl I sleep with has the looks to be relationship material.

Values and intelligence are much more important for long term relationships and you can’t get a feel for those until you know the girl.

My game plan is and always has been to run through attractive women until I find the one with the intelligence and values I covet.

[chicane]

The long term problem with women massively overvaluing themselves is that if men can't get a mate of approximately equal value, they start checking out of society. If the majority of men can't find mates, our modern society can not survive, we are likely to devolve into something resembling the Middle Eastern warlords.

[StrikeBack]

I don't know the stats on incels, but I have noticed a huge rise in the number of men who debate endlessly like an expert about the nature of women on the Internet, but can't get laid to save their lives. It is very similar to how so many men debate various sports like pros but can't play.

[[email protected]]

(07-18-2018 06:40 PM)chicane Wrote:  

The long term problem with women massively overvaluing themselves is that if men can't get a mate of approximately equal value, they start checking out of society. If the majority of men can't find mates, our modern society can not survive, we are likely to devolve into something resembling the Middle Eastern warlords.

ME civilization has Islam and promise of 72 virgins in the afterlife to pacify men. Monogamy is strictly enforced through law, society and culture. I would wager that materialism and creature comforts are not going to keep the bottom 80% men from getting violent. They have no stake in society and they have little to lose.

[Fortis]

Western women are definitely at least somewhat aware of the disparity that they benefit from. Back in USA, a lot of 5s would try to stunt on me and act like they were doing me a favor going on dates with me.

IN china, I get the other end. A lot of 5s and below will sorta bail on me knowing that she's nothing more of a pump and dump considering I'm above her, but a 6+ will willingly come get smashed for some reason.

[RawGod]

An increasingly unequal marketplace - whether sexual or economic - produces what I call the Musical Chairs Paradox.

In the game of Musical Chairs, the players circle around the chairs, and compete to find a place, with one chair being taken away each round.

In the first round, one out of say, 10 players, misses out. Usually that person is slow - a loser, you might say. All you need to do to stay in the game, is not be a loser! Shape up!

But the environment changes as more and more chairs are removed and the relatively fit people cannot be guaranteed success. What about when it's down to 4 players, and one misses out? Are they a natural loser? Should they have trained harder? The fact is, the game is rigged. And it's a slow squeeze.

So, you can "get better. Train harder. Don't be weak." And that is true on one level. But it's also true that the environment is deteriorating, and increasingly the "losers" do not deserve to be losers. Are the bottom 80% weak for complaining that they are not able to get what their forebears got? Yes, and no. That's the paradox.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(07-18-2018 09:56 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Western women are definitely at least somewhat aware of the disparity that they benefit from. Back in USA, a lot of 5s would try to stunt on me and act like they were doing me a favor going on dates with me.

IN china, I get the other end. A lot of 5s and below will sorta bail on me knowing that she's nothing more of a pump and dump considering I'm above her, but a 6+ will willingly come get smashed for some reason.

Someone noted previously that the incel problem was the result of a "deregulated" sexual market, which is not really accurate.

Actually, the sexual market is VERY regulated, but in the form of globo-homo government and corporate subsidies for single women that support their selfish/slutty lifestyles. #MeToo is the legal regulations that punish unattractive men for "harassing" (aka interacting with) women who aren't sexually interested in them.

You know what regulation quickly and easily fixes all of this? Marriage, aka enforced monogamy. A solution which benefits 99% of men at the expense of professional athletes, DJs, drug dealers, and movie stars. A win-win for society, basically.

Many places in Eastern Europe, mainly where Orthodox Christianity is still a big influence, strike a perfect balance between social health and the reality of living in 2018. All because marriage is the goal for women.

Women in EE know that the hotter and more virginal they are, the better husband they get. Men know that the more accomplished and successful they are, the better wife they get. So everyone is incentivized to behave virtuously. The opposite of a do-or-die winner take all market. Not perfect, but a million times better than the slow death system the West currently has.

[spokepoker]

Re: Musical Chairs;
In the first round, you get in that chair, then take and leave with that chair before round two even starts.
All the other chairs have been sat on, and as the game goes on, more asses have sat on each seat, so the guy who wins in the end, gets a chair that everyone's ass has sat on at least once.
So, does he really win?

[John Michael Kane]

I think a lot of the MGTOW types that have decided not to compete for the dregs of women (the relative and absolute percentage of women who act like feminists, dress like hobos and are fat as whales are massively increasing throughout the West) are doing so out of rational self-interest. One thing that women never think about is that men will put in the work if they think the prize is worth winning. Increasingly, many men aren't interested in getting married, because they see that locking down a mediocre woman leads to unhappiness and divorce. There's a reason why so many men look overseas to find wives, or they just reduce themselves to porn and videogames. The bottom line is, the Average Woman in the West (America, Canada, UK) isn't worth winning for a long-term commitment, much less marriage. Part of the reason why RVF exists is that average men are increasingly finding themselves unwilling or unable to attract the average women around them (their natural pairing-off mates).

Ask yourself; Would you try to win over, commit to and marry the average woman around you?

Why would you? Average today would be considered mediocre a few generations ago. Look at old pictures of women from the sixties and seventies. Even the plain jane types had some natural feminine energy, long hair, dressed decently, and weren't fat. Many men would have been fine marrying them, and did. Would you marry the "average" woman nowadays? I certainly wouldn't. I'm focused on building myself up as a man, because that's the only way I can attract a high-quality woman into my life, and why would I want anything less? Women require work, why not work towards finding a good quality one, otherwise, you're better off alone than dealing with a thundercunt. Life is too short to be paired up with a bitchy woman. Hold out for a decent one or don't get into a relationship/married at all.

[chicane]

(07-19-2018 11:58 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

I think a lot of the MGTOW types that have decided not to compete for the dregs of women (the relative and absolute percentage of women who act like feminists, dress like hobos and are fat as whales are massively increasing throughout the West) are doing so out of rational self-interest. One thing that women never think about is that men will put in the work if they think the prize is worth winning. Increasingly, many men aren't interested in getting married, because they see that locking down a mediocre woman leads to unhappiness and divorce. There's a reason why so many men look overseas to find wives, or they just reduce themselves to porn and videogames. The bottom line is, the Average Woman in the West (America, Canada, UK) isn't worth winning for a long-term commitment, much less marriage. Part of the reason why RVF exists is that average men are increasingly finding themselves unwilling or unable to attract the average women around them (their natural pairing-off mates).

Ask yourself; Would you try to win over, commit to and marry the average woman around you?

Why would you? Average today would be considered mediocre a few generations ago. Look at old pictures of women from the sixties and seventies. Even the plain jane types had some natural feminine energy, long hair, dressed decently, and weren't fat. Many men would have been fine marrying them, and did. Would you marry the "average" woman nowadays? I certainly wouldn't. I'm focused on building myself up as a man, because that's the only way I can attract a high-quality woman into my life, and why would I want anything less? Women require work, why not work towards finding a good quality one, otherwise, you're better off alone than dealing with a thundercunt. Life is too short to be paired up with a bitchy woman. Hold out for a decent one or don't get into a relationship/married at all.

Really good post. My answer is no, I wouldn't marry the average American woman. I very much want a family, but I'm very unlikely going to find a woman here who I would consider as a mate.

I will probably make another trip to Ukraine in a couple of months.

[John Michael Kane]

As a cautionary tale, look at the faces of the true Walking Dead; American men married to fat, cunty women. Do not pair off with a bad woman. You will regret it for years to come. Foreign women are still women, and filtering still applies. Trust your gut. Your instincts are rarely wrong, you just have to listen to them. If marriage and kids is your end-goal (as it is mine), then you can't throw all your chips down on a bad hand. Know when you fold and keep dealing cards until you find a keeper.

[Delta]

I'm sick of hearing how guys who have all their shit together can get laid. I mean it's true in the most technical sense, but so what? I think those of us who have worked our whole lives to become top caliber men should have higher aspirations than putting our dick in some fat, mentally damaged dreg.

There's clearly a problem with most women exclusively shooting way out of their league and ignoring evenly matched men. This, I don't think anyone here would deny. So what good does it do pointing out that even with this societal illness, in-shape and socially apt guys can still bang fat girls? Who gives a fuck? I take zero solace in that.

[Suits]

(07-18-2018 09:56 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

IN china, I get the other end. A lot of 5s and below will sorta bail on me knowing that she's nothing more of a pump and dump considering I'm above her, but a 6+ will willingly come get smashed for some reason.

I had a similar experience in Malaysia. My first date with a local girl, she was back at my place, her tongue was down my throat and she was starting to undress.

Then she suddenly bailed, telling me, "I think you need to meet more girls before you decide who you want to date."

She was a 5.

Doesn't seem to happen to me in China, though. Apparently all the 5's here think I'm a 5 too.

The 6 I recently dumped from my rotation has remarked since things ended that she knew that sooner or later I'd find a new girl to replace her.

What a simpleton. I had three replacements 5 years younger than her lined up the moment I realized that I realized that dumping her was about to free up a lot of time in my schedule.

[placer]

(07-19-2018 06:07 PM)Delta Wrote:  

I think those of us who have worked our whole lives to become top caliber men should have higher aspirations than putting our dick in some fat, mentally damaged dreg.

OK, it was a decade ago, but I was able to go from being a pathetic Omega to sticking my dick in a solid 7 (and having her love it so much she would do anything to satisfy me, so I made a point to finish insider of her). Mind you, I had to leave the US and live in Latin America to do it, and it took a few years of working to save enough money to make it possible, but high quality pussy was out there as soon as I got off my ass, left the US to live somewhere where I could get better pussy, and learned some game.

Considering the pathetic Omega I was, this was practically a miracle. If the chicks around are too fat, change venues or even countries to find a place where chicks that will date you are hot.

[N°6]

Jeffrey.jerp,

The paradox of the free market is that it destroys the social mobility of people on the lower rungs of society.

The sexual marketplace is indeed liberal and free but for every sexual group except the bottom 80% of heterosexual men. Economic and sexual free markets tend to widen gaps between rich and poor which sees a decline in the middle class. What we call ‘beta’ here is simply what we call middle class in other areas.

Tinder is the pure free market and there’s a wide gap forming there between the sexual rich and poor.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(07-20-2018 12:16 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Jeffrey.jerp,
Tinder is the pure free market and there’s a wide gap forming there between the sexual rich and poor.

You must not have read my previous post.

We are NOT in a "free" market right now for dating. Not even close.

Before birth control pills and no-fault divorce, we had a semi-free market with strict regulations. You could marry who you wanted, but the social standard was monogamy.

The reason the bottom 80% of men are losing the dating game is because governments and corporations are subsidizing the self indulgent behavior of single women. Sometimes directly (welfare for single moms), otherwise indirectly (harassment rules in the workplace targeting average looking men).

If we removed the subsidies, women would quickly become dependent on men again, and marriage/monogamy would quickly become the standard, since women would have to be attractive and agreeable to get someone to want to marry them.

Women can never, ever exist as equals with men, the only way to have a stable and prosperous society is having women be formally subordinate to men.

[Thot Leader]

(07-20-2018 03:21 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(07-20-2018 12:16 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Jeffrey.jerp,
Tinder is the pure free market and there’s a wide gap forming there between the sexual rich and poor.

You must not have read my previous post.

We are NOT in a "free" market right now for dating. Not even close.

The reason the bottom 80% of men are losing the dating game is because governments and corporations are subsidizing the self indulgent behavior of single women. Sometimes directly (welfare for single moms), otherwise indirectly (harassment rules in the workplace targeting average looking men).

If we removed the subsidies, women would quickly become dependent on men again, and marriage/monogamy would quickly become the standard, since women would have to be attractive and agreeable to get someone to want to marry them.

Yep. Add to that the fact that education is geared toward girls and women while against boys and men, plus all kinds of organizations have hiring quotas that favor women, then you have feminist brainwashing convincing women that men aren't needed, and it's obvious the dating and marriage market is being controlled, rigged against men.

The correction can't come soon enough.

[EndsExpect]

(07-18-2018 12:15 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

As I tried to point out before, inceldom does NOT depend on whether someone can "get laid", like it's a yes/no binary thing.
Inceldom depends on how evenly women are distributed among men.
Replace "wealth" with women, and this graph will help you understand the problem, perhaps. The bottom 90% of men have no access to real "wealth", and the game is hopelessly rigged against them.

The number of $$$ circulating in the economy has increased. Meanwhile the % of hot girls has collapsed. In 1983... you simply didn't have the huge number of fat chicks we have today. This is even worse in some communities for example black women are 75% obese.

Plus with all the female empowerment out there today... fat ugly 4's feel entitled to dating top tier guys.

The thing is that the dating marketplace HAS become much harder for middle and bottom tier men. This is why game and self improvement are so radically necessary today.

I mean there is no competetive movement among women... you don't see women out there trying to better themselves to score good men. Instead they are pushing for men to accept them without any kind of self improvement effort at all... Fat Acceptance anyone?