[WalterBlack]

Thanks for the input guys.

I found this article about the UK Establishment, it's a long read and I've highlighted the most relevant points - I'm sure there are analogues in the US establishment

The establishment uncovered: how power works in Britain

Quote:

Definitions of "the establishment" share one thing in common: they are always pejorative. Rightwingers tend to see it as the national purveyor of a rampant, morally corrupting social liberalism; for the left, it is more likely to mean a network of public-school and Oxbridge boys dominating the key institutions of British political life.

Here is what I understand the establishment to mean. Today's establishment is made up – as it has always been – of powerful groups that need to protect their position in a democracy in which almost the entire adult population has the right to vote. The establishment represents an attempt on behalf of these groups to "manage" democracy, to make sure that it does not threaten their own interests. In this respect, it might be seen as a firewall that insulates them from the wider population. As the well-connected rightwing blogger and columnist Paul Staines puts it approvingly: "We've had nearly a century of universal suffrage now, and what happens is capital finds ways to protect itself from, you know, the voters."

Back in the 19th century, as calls for universal suffrage gathered strength, there were fears in privileged circles that extending the vote to the poor would pose a mortal threat to their own position – that the lower rungs of society would use their newfound voice to take away power and wealth from those at the top and redistribute it throughout the electorate. "I have heard much on the subject of the working classes in this house which, I confess, has filled me with feelings of some apprehension," Conservative statesman Lord Salisbury told parliament in 1866, in response to plans to extend the suffrage. Giving working-class people the vote would, he stated, tempt them to pass "laws with respect to taxation and property especially favourable to them, and therefore dangerous to all other classes".

The worries of those 19th-century opponents of universal suffrage were not without foundation. In the decades that followed the second world war, constraints were imposed on Britain's powerful interests, including higher taxes and the regulation of private business. This was, after all, the will of the recently enfranchised masses. But today, many of those constraints have been removed or are in the process of being dismantled – and now the establishment is characterised by institutions and ideas that legitimise and protect the concentration of wealth and power in very few hands.

The interests of those who dominate British society are disparate; indeed, they often conflict with one another. The establishment includes politicians who make laws; media barons who set the terms of debate; businesses and financiers who run the economy; police forces that enforce a law that is rigged in favour of the powerful. The establishment is where these interests and worlds intersect, either consciously or unconsciously. It is unified by a common mentality, which holds that those at the top deserve their power and their ever-growing fortunes, and which might be summed up by the advertising slogan "Because I'm worth it". This is the mentality that has driven politicians to pilfer expenses, businesses to avoid tax, and City bankers to demand ever greater bonuses while plunging the world into economic disaster. All of these things are facilitated – even encouraged – by laws that are geared to cracking down on the smallest of misdemeanours committed by those at the bottom of the pecking order – for example, benefit fraud. "One rule for us, one rule for everybody else" might be another way to sum up establishment thinking.

These mentalities owe everything to the shared ideology of the modern establishment, a set of ideas that helps it to rationalise and justify its position and behaviour. Often described as "neoliberalism", this ideology is based around a belief in so-called free markets: in transferring public assets to profit-driven businesses as far as possible; in a degree of opposition – if not hostility – to a formal role for the state in the economy; support for reducing the tax burden on private interests; and the driving back of any form of collective organisation that might challenge the status quo. This ideology is often rationalised as "freedom" – particularly "economic freedom" – and wraps itself in the language of individualism. These are beliefs that the establishment treats as common sense, as being a fact of life, just like the weather.

Not to subscribe to these beliefs is to be outside today's establishment, to be dismissed by it as an eccentric at best, or even as an extremist fringe element. Members of the establishment genuinely believe in this ideology – but it is a set of beliefs and policies that, rather conveniently, guarantees them ever growing personal riches and power.

As well as a shared mentality, the establishment is cemented by financial links and a "revolving door": that is, powerful individuals gliding between the political, corporate and media worlds – or who manage to inhabit these various worlds at the same time. The terms of political debate are, in large part, dictated by a media controlled by a small number of exceptionally rich owners, while thinktanks and political parties are funded by wealthy individuals and corporate interests. Many politicians are on the payroll of private businesses; along with civil servants, they end up working for companies interested in their policy areas, allowing them to profit from their public service – something that gives them a vested interest in an ideology that furthers corporate interests. The business world benefits from the politicians' and civil servants' contacts, as well as an understanding of government structures and experience, allowing private firms to navigate their way to the very heart of power.

Yet there is a logical flaw at the heart of establishment thinking. It may abhor the state – but it is completely dependent on the state to flourish. Bailed-out banks; state-funded infrastructure; the state's protection of property; research and development; a workforce educated at great public expense; the topping up of wages too low to live on; numerous subsidies – all are examples of what could be described as a "socialism for the rich" that marks today's establishment.

This establishment does not receive the scrutiny it deserves. After all, it is the job of the media to shed light on the behaviour of those with power. But the British media is an integral part of the British establishment; its owners share the same underlying assumptions and mantras. Instead, journalists and politicians alike obsessively critique and attack the behaviour of those at the bottom of society. Unemployed people and other benefit claimants; immigrants; public-sector workers – these are groups that have faced critical exposure or even outright vilification. This focus on the relatively powerless is all too convenient in deflecting anger away from those who actually wield power in British society.

To understand what today's establishment is and how it has changed, we have to go back to 1955: a Britain shaking off postwar austerity in favour of a new era of consumerism, rock'n'roll and Teddy Boys. But there was a more sinister side to the country, and it disturbed an ambitious Tory journalist in his early 30s named Henry Fairlie.

Early in his career, Fairlie was mixing with the powerful and the influential. In his 20s, he was already writing leader columns for the Times. But, at the age of 30, he left for the world of freelance writing and began penning a column for the Spectator magazine. Fairlie had grown cynical about the higher echelons of British society and, one day in the autumn of 1955, he wrote a piece explaining why. What attracted his attention was a scandal involving two Foreign Office officials, Guy Burgess and Donald Maclean, who had defected to the Soviet Union. Fairlie suggested that friends of the two men had attempted to shield their families from media attention.

This, he asserted, revealed that "what I call the 'establishment' in this country is today more powerful than ever before". His piece made "the establishment" a household phrase – and made Fairlie's name in the process.

For Fairlie, the establishment included not only "the centres of official power – though they are certainly part of it" – but "the whole matrix of official and social relations within which power is exercised".

This "exercise of power", he claimed, could only be understood as being "exercised socially". In other words, the establishment comprised a set of well-connected people who knew one another, mixed in the same circles and had one another's backs. It was not based on official, legal or formal arrangements, but rather on "subtle social relationships".

Fairlie's establishment consisted of a diverse network of people. It was not just the likes of the prime minister and the archbishop of Canterbury, but also incorporated "lesser mortals" such as the chairman of the Arts Council, the director general of the BBC and the editor of the Times Literary Supplement, "not to mention divinities like Lady Violet Bonham Carter" – the daughter of former Liberal prime minister Herbert Asquith, confidante of Winston Churchill and grandmother of future Hollywood actor Helena Bonham Carter.

The Foreign Office was, Fairlie claimed, "near the heart of the pattern of social relationships which so powerfully controls the exercise of power in this country", stacked as it was with those who "know all the right people". In other words, the establishment was all about "who you know".

But important facets of power in Britain were missing from Fairlie's definition. First, there was no reference to shared economic interests, the profound links that bring together the big-business, financial and political elites. Second, his piece gave no sense of a common mentality binding the establishment together. There was one – although it was very different from the mentality that dominates today, despite the fact that, then as now, an Old Etonian Conservative (Anthony Eden) was in Downing Street. For this was the era of welfare capitalism, and an ethos of statism and paternalism – above all, a belief that active government was necessary for a healthy, stable society – was shared by those with power.

The differences between Fairlie's era and our own show that Britain's ruling establishment is not static: the upper crust of British society has always been in a state of perpetual flux. This relentless change is driven by survival. History is littered with demands from below for ruling elites to give up some of their power, forcing members of the upper crust of British society to compromise. After all, unchecked obstinacy in the face of demands for change risks bringing down not just individual pillars of the establishment, but the entire system of power with them.

The monarchy is a striking example of a traditional pillar of power that, faced with occasionally formidable threats, has had to adapt to survive. This was evident right from the origins of a power-sharing arrangement between crown and parliament struck in the aftermath of revolution and foreign invasion in the 17th century, and which continues to exist today. Many of the monarchy's arbitrary powers, such as the ability to wage war, ended up in the hands of the prime minister. Even today, the monarchy's role is not entirely symbolic.

"The Crown is a bit of a vague institution, but it is kind of the heart of the constitution, where all the power comes from," says Andrew Child, campaign manager of Republic, a group advocating an elected head of state. The prime minister appoints and sacks government ministers without needing to consult the legislature or electorate because he is using the Queen's powers: these are the Crown's ministers, not the people's. In practice, too, members of the royal family have a powerful platform from which to intervene in democratic decisions.

Prince Charles, the designated successor to the throne, has met with ministers at least three dozen times since the 2010 general election and is known to have strong opinions on issues such as the environment, the hunting ban, "alternative" medicine and heritage.

In contrast to other European countries, Britain's aristocracy also managed to avoid obliteration by adapting and assimilating. In the wake of the industrial revolution it absorbed – much to the disgust of traditionalists – some prospering businessmen into its ranks, such as the City of London financier Lord Addington and the silk broker Lord Cheylesmore. The aristocracy continued to wield considerable political power throughout the 19th century, supplying many prime ministers, such as the 1st Duke of Wellington, the 2nd Earl Grey and the 2nd Viscount Melbourne. But following parliament acts passed by MPs in 1911 and 1949, this power was curtailed when the elected House of Commons enshrined in law its own dominance over the aristocrats' House of Lords. The legacy of centuries of aristocratic power has not vanished, though: more than a third of English and Welsh land – and more than 50% of rural land – remains in the hands of just 36,000 aristocrats.

Although less influential today than it has ever been, the Church of England retains the trappings of its old power. Indeed, the word establishment is testament to its one-time importance: the term is likely to derive from the fact that the Church of England is the country's "established church", or state religion, with the monarch serving as its head. The church's most senior official, the archbishop of Canterbury, is appointed by the prime minister on behalf of the monarch.

Even though Britain is one of the most irreligious countries on Earth, with just one in 10 attending church each week and a quarter of Britons having no religious beliefs, the Church of England still runs one in four primary and secondary schools in England, while its bishops sit in the House of Lords, making Britain the only country – other than Iran – to have automatically unelected clerics sitting in the legislature.

The establishment is a shape-shifter, evolving and adapting as needs must. But one thing that distinguishes today's establishment from earlier incarnations is its sense of triumphalism. The powerful once faced significant threats that kept them in check. But the opponents of our current establishment have, apparently, ceased to exist in any meaningful, organised way. Politicians largely conform to a similar script; once-mighty trade unions are now treated as if they have no legitimate place in political or even public life; and economists and academics who reject establishment ideology have been largely driven out of the intellectual mainstream. The end of the cold war was spun by politicians, intellectuals and the media to signal the death of any alternative to the status quo: "the end of history", as the US political scientist Francis Fukuyama put it. All this has left the establishment pushing at an open door. Whereas the position of the powerful was once undermined by the advent of democracy, an opposite process is now underway. The establishment is amassing wealth and aggressively annexing power in a way that has no precedent in modern times. After all, there is nothing to stop it.

[Phoenix]

^ He seems to have observed most of the pieces, but failed to understand the mechanism fully. Specifically, the 1911 Parliament Act was the root cause of the malais, due to the subsequent creation of the democratic machine (which in the UK isn't even restrained by entrenched constitutional rights).

What he fails to understand is that his socialist-democratic sympathies are ultimately part of the machine. Changing the constitution merely re-weights the attributes of men that rise to the top and the means by which they do so. The Parliament Acts took automatic legislative power from the hereditary aristocracy, and in response a new plutocracy maneuvered into position to fill the void. There is no constitution by which you can alter human biology: men are not equal.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-02-2015 02:31 PM)Natural Born Gyalist Wrote:  

Its the Jews, stupid!
... As Zelcorpion alleged, centuries of war, foreign debt, and political assassinations can all easily be traced to a very small group of cabalists. ..

I am not alleging it is the Jews. That is tantamount to accusing every bank teller worker, cleaning lady and security guy who works for a bank for causing the real estate crisis.

Never mistake the true money power with some of the arms of the control structure. Some of the ruling families may indeed be Jewish, but plenty of others are invested in it who are anything but. Some Orthodox Jews even claim that they are not even Jewish, but that is another matter.

Those allegations of accusing an entire group of being the very top of the pyramid is similar to White Privilege Patriarchy crap.

Yes Zionism is a force, but so is Freemasonry to a degree. Though the biggest control structure now are rather Lobbyists, NGOs, Corporations, Career Politicians and their "Advisors" (rather handlers), Foundations, Academics etc. Those entities can coordinate all goals much better for the money masters than just "Zionists". And very few people even among them know the full picture.

The Jewish people as a whole are sitting in the same boat and are getting their own dose of top-down propaganda. Israel gets it's own social engineering of the gay agenda, destruction of the family, usury, poverty etc. For one the Israeli people are being misused as a battering ram for the entire region there. Our Jewish brothers in the region are paying a bloody price for it due to being used to destroy the Muslim nations. They too would prefer to live in peace and prosperity without strife, but the real powers are simply not interested in that and don't give two shits about them - even if some of them may be outwardly Jewish.

That is even mainstream:

A network of 147 major corporations controls over 40% of the world's economic turnover. And guess who owns most of the 147 corporations? It becomes even more of a farce since the banks own each other and the real ownership structure of most is unknown. Sometimes it does not even matter who "owns" it as long as some individuals can control it.



The media? Don't make me laugh:



When you control the money, over centuries you can control almost anything as long as you can keep it a secret. There is so few of them that the people would actually rise up if it became known that it does not matter whether you elect Republican or Democrat and that both serve the same masters. But it sure keeps the people from revolting.

https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/201...t-own-all/

Still - I can understand why this seems to be so much like "conspiratainment" or Lizard People.

I've looked at it from a most detached viewpoint as I could and found the information I mentioned much more logical as to explain better of what is happening in our world. Certain things in my personal life have also confirmed some things and currently I don't see anything to the contrary. That's why I barely watch the news - reading about the long-term plans is enough. You more or less know then what their intermediate and long-term goals are.
Or as George Bush sr. said: "I don't watch the news, because I know what is going to happen." Well - he has better intel I am sure, but being aware of the encompassing plan is good as well.

[Lumbre]

The real masters of the United States of America and the many nations of Europe are the shadowy central banking cartels and the big multinational corporations that grow around them. They are the forces who wield the true power, not the governments or the presidents.

The banking conspiracy has always been particularly insidious. The financial elite appropiate wealth and political power through the underhanded technique of usury. The evil banksters know that the key to controlling a nation is through debt. The banking cartels loan out huge quantities of money to the governments and then charge on their loans exhorbitantly high and extortionate levels of interest. They know that if they can drive a nation into debt, then they can indirectly take control over its government and coerce its politicians into obedience. When you owe somebody large amounts of money, it is in your best interest to do as they say or else they can really break you.

The governments are forced to repay those enormous loans and all the bloated interest. With what money do they repay the central banks? The governments repay the banks and pay the increasing interest using the productive taxpayer's hard-earned dollars! It really is thievery!

The Founding Fathers such as Thomas Jefferson warned against excessive borrowing and financial profusion. They predicted the economic servitude brought about by usurious debt. They argued that a nation must live within its own economic means and avoid falling prey to foreign and international banking organizations. They bravely fought against the establishment of a central bank by the Rothschilds et alia in the new American nation. The American people managed to fight off the banking intruders until the early decades of the 20th century when the so-called Federal Reserve was founded.

The banking cartels make their wealth through debt. Wealth equals greater political control. This point must be reiterated. Therefore, it is in their selfish interest to indebt entire nations. This is the reason why their puppet presidents and elected political parties support military conflicts and favor big government spending! The establishment Right involves the US and other Western nations in drawn out bloody wars and gets the governments into major war debt and the establishment Left pushes for government intervention, Marxist style policies and pointless expenditure in order to foment even greater debt. Meanwhile the ordinary citizens subjected to the governments are the ones who end up having to pay back the unlawful debts of the ruling elites. Those bastards have forced us into a system of indentured servitude on a national level and most people don't even realize it!

But what group of people are behind the global banking conspiracy? What is their true identity? This is the key question.

The answer is that the conspirators are a certain elite group within Zionist Jewry. Before I continue, I would like to make it clear that this is not an anti-semitic remark and I am not in any way associated with any White Nationalist movement or National Socialist ideology. It is simply an exposition of the reality in which we find ourselves.

The true driving force behind the banking conspiracy is none other than insider Judaism. Most people don't realize that the Hebrew Bible, the so-called "Old Testament", is actually a primitive blueprint for Jewish world domination through covert infiltration and financial control. The so-called messianic vision of biblical Judaism is nothing more than a twisted Zionist fantasy of a Jewish one-world government headed by Jerusalem from where all the Gentile nations will be ruled. Don't be fooled into believing that Judaism and Zionism are opposed entities, the truth is that that biblical Judaism totally embodies Zionism. The Hebrew Bible, an ancient ideological manifesto of Jewish supremacy and entitlement, orders the Jewish conspiratory elites to lend unto many Gentile nations with interest but never borrow themselves so that they may reign over those nations (Examples: Deuteronomy 15:6; 23:20). The "prophetic" books of the Hebrew Bible outline an infiltration strategy by which the initiated Jews will scatter themselves throughout the nations and establish themselves in their respective power structures. In the end, the blueprint for the financial raping of our lands is the Jewish biblical scriptures as well as the rabbinical Talmud and the true identity of what is known as the "New World Order" is none other than Zionist Judaism.

Today it is so obvious. We see the big Jewish banks in the highest positions of financial power, Zionist controlled mainstream media, Western superpowers who all invariably defend Israel and fight in foreign wars which serve to destabilize the anti-Israel Middle East, legal action and slander against anybody who dares to expose the evils of Zionism, and then we see government pawns like the pro-Israel religious nutjob George W. Bush and president Obama, the Black man who claims to have a Jewish soul!

We see Jewish-Zionist intellectuals behind the subversive leftist ideological currents such as the infamous Cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School and the evil Bolshevism of Soviet Russia. The self-victim complex of Cultural Marxism and Social Justice Warriorism in general comes straight from the Jewish mindset and was also overwhelmingly present in early Jewish Christianity.

The Zionist conspirators today as cunning, for they always hide behind a mask and conceal their true identity. This is the reason for which we see all that Illuminati shit, Satanic symbolism and ancient Pagan motives in Hollywood and the mainstream entertainment industry these days. They want to have us believe that it is Satanic cults and Pagan secret societies who are controlling the world's governments, not them. That is all just a big smokescreen. In reality, only the perverse Saturnic religion of the Old Testament is the true identity of the conspiracy and the Hebrew Bible is its preliminary blueprint.

I recommend that you read the works of alternative author and researcher Tony Malone of Saint Oxen Books. He is a reasonable and level-headed guy who has written some detailed and well-referenced books and articles on the nature of the conspiracy in the Old Testament. Also I recommend the works of the blogger Christopher Jon Bjerknes for a more heated analysis of the Jewish banking conspiracy.

Now, who might be the psychopathic god and his evil angels behind the Old Testament Jewish cult? Malevolent aliens? I'll let you decide.

[la_mode]

The New World Order, Scott Hall & Kevin Nash.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(07-02-2015 04:58 PM)Lumbre Wrote:  

The answer is that the conspirators are a certain elite group within Zionist Jewry. Before I continue, I would like to make it clear that this is not an anti-semitic remark and I am not in any way associated with any White Nationalist movement or National Socialist ideology. It is simply an exposition of the reality in which we find ourselves.

The true driving force behind the banking conspiracy is none other than insider Judaism. Most people don't realize that the Hebrew Bible, the so-called "Old Testament", is actually a primitive blueprint for Jewish world domination through covert infiltration and financial control. The so-called messianic vision of biblical Judaism is nothing more than a twisted Zionist fantasy of a Jewish one-world government headed by Jerusalem from where all the Gentile nations will be ruled. Don't be fooled into believing that Judaism and Zionism are opposed entities, the truth is that that biblical Judaism totally embodies Zionism. The Hebrew Bible, an ancient ideological manifesto of Jewish supremacy and entitlement, orders the Jewish conspiratory elites to lend unto many Gentile nations with interest but never borrow themselves so that they may reign over those nations (Examples: Deuteronomy 15:6; 23:20). The "prophetic" books of the Hebrew Bible outline an infiltration strategy by which the initiated Jews will scatter themselves throughout the nations and establish themselves in their respective power structures. In the end, the blueprint for the financial raping of our lands is the Jewish biblical scriptures as well as the rabbinical Talmud and the true identity of what is known as the "New World Order" is none other than Zionist Judaism.

Today it is so obvious. We see the big Jewish banks in the highest positions of financial power, Zionist controlled mainstream media, Western superpowers who all invariably defend Israel and fight in foreign wars which serve to destabilize the anti-Israel Middle East, legal action and slander against anybody who dares to expose the evils of Zionism, and then we see government pawns like the pro-Israel religious nutjob George W. Bush and president Obama, the Black man who claims to have a Jewish soul!

We see Jewish-Zionist intellectuals behind the subversive leftist ideological currents such as the infamous Cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt School and the evil Bolshevism of Soviet Russia. The self-victim complex of Cultural Marxism and Social Justice Warriorism in general comes straight from the Jewish mindset and was also overwhelmingly present in early Jewish Christianity.

The Zionist conspirators today as cunning, for they always hide behind a mask and conceal their true identity. This is the reason for which we see all that Illuminati shit, Satanic symbolism and ancient Pagan motives in Hollywood and the mainstream entertainment industry these days. They want to have us believe that it is Satanic cults and Pagan secret societies who are controlling the world's governments, not them. That is all just a big smokescreen. In reality, only the perverse Saturnic religion of the Old Testament is the true identity of the conspiracy and the Hebrew Bible is its preliminary blueprint.

Yes, I thought I also made it clear that I was talking about of a tiny fraction of the 2% of the worlds Jewish population, and as I also stated without Sayaanim and willing Sabbas Goy, the infiltration would not be possible. No form of colonialism or slavery has existed without the dirty filth that are collaborators. Zionism is just post UN/NATO economic imperialism and colonialism. The sympathy of the holocaust allowed the establishment of the UN and NATO which allowed the US and Israel alone to continue with exploitative colonialism and genocide. I also mentioned that the accused Jews are neither ethnic Hebrews or religious Jews and are mostly secular like most American Christians.

[TigerMandingo]

I don't mean to bust your balls OP, but the question seems a bit too broad. Which specific aspects are you referring to? Everything? I'm with Zel in terms of who runs the financial/economic aspect of things, but there are other things to consider: media, education, infrastructure etc. It's really a tough question to answer. Like Zel mentioned, only a few authors have ventured into this territory and they are definitely not mainstream; you're not going to find Carroll Quigley's books at Barnes and Noble. Chomsky mentioned that it works kinda like the Mafia: there are bosses, captains, soldiers (politicians), and low-level associates. All the revenue floats to the top.

[Easy_C]

No. Not Jews, and not Freemasons.

Anyone else here who has at least a rudimentary understanding of global political history (the financial connections between the elite to include Wall Street's funding of Hitler), and esoteric symbology (basic Zodiac/ancient religous allegory) would benefit from a more comprehensive study of control structures.

I'm acquainted with the book's author (the owner of the now defunct arqanum.com), but he has currently gone underground and is not communicating with the general public. However I do have a PDF copy of his book for anyone interested. PM me a good email address(preferably a throway email with a fake name) and I'll send you a copy.

[dtpilgrim]

I don't know who the "controllers" might be. Maybe they're Jews, maybe Freemasons, maybe Skull&Bones, maybe the Federal Reserve, maybe Rothschilds, maybe the Illuminati, maybe the Trilateral Commission, maybe Cabbalistic Satanic Gnostic Ancient Alien Lizards...?

Who knows.

I do wonder if China falls under the "global elite"? Supposedly current China is a consequence of Mao Zedong's Communism. I find it hard to believe the Zedong's and the Rothschilds were in on it together. Would it be safe to assume China is a separate player, unaffected by whoever rules the U.S./Europe/Western World?

And what about Russia? Are they a separate player, or are they in on the game?

[bacon]

Zelcorpion,

Do you think the 1.4 quadrillion derivative bubble has the potential to dismantle the banking system and with it the mechanism of control/ wealth for the banking elite of the world?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-06-2015 01:14 AM)bacon Wrote:  

Zelcorpion,

Do you think the 1.4 quadrillion derivative bubble has the potential to dismantle the banking system and with it the mechanism of control/ wealth for the banking elite of the world?

No way - the global elite is not Zimbabwe's rulers despite some claims by the alternative media.

Any meltdown will be a controlled demolition.

What people are missing is that the elite will gain in both deflation as well as greater inflation. This happened for example during the US depression, even during the Waimar hyperinflation as well as seemingly chaotic times during the Russian crisis in the 1990s. When you know what is about to happen a bit in advance then you can either stock up on credit, buy assets and repay it at much cheaper inflated cost (hyperinflation) or you can simply buy up everything at a fraction of the cost as the money supply gets squeezed out of the economy (during deflation - US 1930s depression). During deflation money supply is decreased tremendously and those few who have money or have access to credit can buy for pennies on the dollar (for example Kennedy family fortune jump during the depression - aside from bootlegging that they did).

They will also avoid wide-scale bail-ins and confiscation of wealth. Even the conventional upper crust in Cyprus were able to flee the country financially a few weeks before the takeover of the savings.

I have even read plans where it's likely that they will abolish some of the current central banks like the Fed, but recreate a new more globalized central bank that is also responsible for the US, which is of course is no improvement at all. Also other alternatives like the gold- or silver standard are smoke-screens, because they control more than 99%+ of the gold and silver.

The only thing that they don't control is theoretically our productive capacity and thus any currency that is backed up by it. If a country is productive like the US, Japan or Germany, then it can simply print money or even the complete government budget tax-free and spend it into existence. Of course the quantity has to be controlled top-down (and supervised grassroots up) by good economists, but it's not really difficult, because it is dependent on the population number, turnover of companies and expected growth rate. Nazi Germany had partly interest-free money and they did not inflate their economy to Zimbabwe levels. I think our current economists can certainly do as good as they did in the 1930s.

[Deepdiver]

This was written about decades ago and the fundamental information still valid ...

http://www.amazon.com/Shadows-Power-Coun...s+of+Power

The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline Paperback – November 1, 1988
by James Perloff (Author)

New 2002 edition-includes updated list of CFR members! James Perloff exposes the subversive roots and global designs of the CFR. Passed off as a think-tank, this group is a key "power behind the throne," with hundreds of top-appointed government officials drawn from its ranks. Traces activity from the Wilson to Reagan administrations.

So you have the old web of foundations set up by the Old Money Rockefellers and in the USA their CFR and many other constructs still wield tremendous influence and power - that was true in 1948, 1988, 2008 and today however what has emerged since 1988 is the Forbes List of World Billionaires - Names like Bloomberg, Koch Brothers, and the under the radar Johnsons Ned and his Daughter Abigail who control Fidelity Investments and over $2 Trillion in actively managed wealth - more liquid actively managed wealth than the Saudis and UAE combined.

For those that really call the shots in the USA and the world today especially with the US Supreme Courts decision allowing Billionaire's corporations and Super PACs unlimited spending on political causes in the name of free speech it is the World's List of Billionaires who Run the World today - of course there are a lot of Billionaires above the 9th Level (Vladimir Putin) and below the 9th level (Most of the world's Organized Crime Bosses) who are not on the list since Forbes Moscow Editor was shot dead on the streets of Moscow years ago for being so audacious as to publish such an "indiscreet" list of Russian Billionaires.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/...d-figures/
Despite plunging oil prices and a weakened euro, the ranks of the world’s wealthiest defied global economic turmoil and expanded yet again. For our 29th annual guide to the globe’s richest, we found a record 1,826 billionaires with an aggregate net worth of $7.05 trillion, up from $6.4 trillion a year ago. The total includes 290 newcomers, 71 of whom hail from China. Youth are on the rise: A record 46 among the ranks are under age 40. One earthward note: The average net worth of list members came in at $3.86 billion, down $60 million from 2014.

Full List all countries:
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/

The irony here is despite all of the gloom and doom about the future of the USA the Forbes Billionaires List of 2015 lists a total
of 536 USA Billionaires in net worth and that does not include the various ethnic groups crime bosses. Then there is the curious story of the New Hampshire Billionaire who never made the Forbes List but was outed by Bloomberg Business News two years ago:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/trucki...-nh-2013-8
Richard B. Cohen has $US 11.2 billion, but you won’t find him on any international wealth ranking. (That is privately held wealth).
Bloomberg has a new profile of Cohen, the hyper-private chairman of C&S Wholesale Grocers, described as “the biggest company no one has ever heard of.” Fittingly, Cohen was not interviewed for the piece (he hasn’t done an interview in a decade). The epitome of stealth, he even keeps the company’s delivery trucks unmarked. $11.2 B was back in 2013... fuel prices have dropped since and his wealth likely took a jump. Still Richard Cohen and Richard B. Cohen were omitted from the Forbes 2015 List of World Billionaires - If a low key family man and mega wealthy Grocery Wholesaler and Trucker can hide out from the Billionaires press researchers in college town Keene, New Hampshire just by keeping a relatively low profile (Unmarked Trucks) to befuddle the competition how many others has Forbes missed?

Another hidden above the 9th level:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worl...it-matter/
Is Vladimir Putin hiding a $200 billion fortune? (And if so, does it matter?)
“I believe that [Putin is worth] $200 billion," Browder said. "After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on, all that money is in property, bank, Swiss bank accounts, shares, hedge funds, managed for Putin and his cronies.”

Indeed, $200 billion is a lot of money. It's more than twice the current fortune of Microsoft founder Bill Gates. If Browder is correct, that would make Putin the richest person in the world, with no real rivals – in fact, it might make him one of the richest people in the history of the world.

Whispers are this fund insures a real war chest that Putin's United Russia Party remains in power long after Putin is gone and should international bankers ever conspire to take over all of Russia and its former Satellite states.

There are five elements for success in all human endeavors:

1. A morally just cause (Selling products or services needed by the people - providing for the peoples health happiness and common defense - providing safe roads and cities and towns for the people etc etc)
2. A competent General (Leader, Chairman, CEO etc)
3. A disciplined organization (Countries, Armies, Corporations)
4. A knowledge of the cycles of life, power, modern markets, wealth creation and the seasons.
5. An adequate war-chest (Treasure or Money is a necessary tool to accomplish anything of merit).

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

These theories (and many facts) about the elite and the extent of their control are downright scary. Yet I can't reconcile it with one thing: what about the rest of the world? Surely they don't have any power in countries like Russia or China, despite them having central banks? Countries that are too big to be intimidated and too different to be infiltrated? Why would some commissar Zhang Wei the Taoist ever care to further the ends of some Zionist fanatics on the other side of the world?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-06-2015 02:47 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

These theories (and many facts) about the elite and the extent of their control are downright scary. Yet I can't reconcile it with one thing: what about the rest of the world? Surely they don't have any power in countries like Russia or China, despite them having central banks? Countries that are too big to be intimidated and too different to be infiltrated? Why would some commissar Zhang Wei the Taoist ever care to further the ends of some Zionist fanatics on the other side of the world?

Russia and China have been under their full control since the Communist revolutions. Actually China probably even before that with the British.

There are a myriad reports and books with plenty of hardcore facts that state clearly that the Communist UdSSR would not have survived at all without the full support of the West. It came in the form of food, but also massive technology transfer. Some of that was so funny that the Russians had some new truck or factory designs made before the Western engineers applied them in their homecountries.



The world of their making strives on conflict. You need some anti-power, two opposing sides to push through more of the global agendas. Currently Russia, China is becoming more Westernized (more China than Russia, but still), so the opposing fake power is the global terrorism. Terror is easy to self-create or foster, so that you can have it going as long as you need it.

The biggest trick they played is that the public assumed for the communist countries to be under their own control. There are even reports from some military officers from the late 1940s who state clearly how all kinds of patents (from atom bomb to advanced military & civilian tech) was shipped off to the Stalinist regime. Supposedly they exerted control through a certain branch of the secret service, which prepared the new leaders and had them under complete surveillance able to let them die when necessary. Keep in mind that the Communist countries had later on a central banking system with usury just like the West. Also notable members of the current CFR and late Trilateral Commission had offices right next to the politburo - for decades that is.

There is just too many facts around to back it all up. So no - China and Russia are theirs to play with. People on low to mid levels died of course - also the soldiers sent to fight the wars, but at the top they dined and wined, traveled together. Actually I met a few guys in EE from the old Communist guards whose sons are billionaires now. One said that he lived like a king back then, because the people were much poorer, but he had a Western multi-millionaire's lifestyle. Communism was meant to last an entire generation's lifespan and then it was destined to join with the West. The Western cultures by then should have had enough conditioning to be actual Marxists.

The term Cultural Marxists for the current SJWs is not from nowhere. Just as said by the president of the Ford Foundation during the Congressional US Reece Commission, the end goal is to merge the US comfortably with the Communist system. And the funny part is that it came about without the people noticing it. Soon the cultures may merge.

I just don't hope they don't plan a fake World War III (with real deaths) before they enact their One World Government. Terrorism isn't so bad. It's a bogus threat anyway. All the current Al-Quaeda, ISIS, ISIL and whatever they call themselves can be wiped out within weeks, also all members and small-time barbarians would be hunted down by SWAT teams around the world within a month. With the level of surveillance they know exactly who they are. But that is not the goal. They have a role to play until they are no longer useful like Saddam or Gaddafi. Then they get executed swiftly.

Now all of what I mentioned here is available in terms of knowledge. That is why they call it the OPEN CONSPIRACY. It's open because the data is out there. After perusing it you are left with two options:

1. You decide it's all bull and the mainstream wisdom is all you need to know. There is just corruption and a lot of bumbling fools.
2. You reevaluate everything you know with what you see happening in real life. If it is more logical and explains things better, then it is a more probable explanation of our current system.

For those who are interested into delving into it:

Carroll Quigley
Antony Sutton
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com - researcher Alan Watt
http://www.americandeception.com/ - a lot of so called Whitepapers on our system - among them the full docs of the Congressional Reece Comission on Foundations

To me that explanation just makes more sense and everything I've seen since then is clear. It also becomes easier to see the agendas in their propaganda tools of media, academia and entertainment.

Feminism is just one part of the agenda to the coming Brave New World.

Alas - even their well-created century old system of world domination must end sooner or later. Life is too short to fret about it all. Knowing about it does not change much in terms of how you live your life. It is good to know, but nothing beyond that. After a time there comes a certain peace with it. There are a seemingly infinite amount of galaxies with a myriad of civilizations on various stages of development. They go through similar shit or have attained higher steps. Our current elite is just a much better organized long-term planning Napoleon - more or less united multiple families of the richest breeds. The plan is excellent in terms of our history - so far in human history no one came even close to them as far as I know. But even their plans will end sooner or later.

You may even dismiss me as a cook. Does not matter in real life really. I talk about different stuff over a beer - women, travel, life, spirituality. Most people are too depressed if they hear all about it. The young Wallstreet lawyer who got permission to study the Ford Foundation archives in the course of the Reece Commission did not believe that the Foundations were up to anything bad. After several weeks perusing the archives she was unfit to return to her work on Wallstreet (looking back it was probably an error for Norman Dodd to pick a female lawyer, but he wanted one who absolutely did not believe in any conspiracy). Later on she was institutionalized for a while, because she was shaken so much by what she saw in those files - documents detailing planning of WWI and WWII, correspondence with the president to not let the war end too soon and other stuff like that. In a way she lost her mind and Norman Dodd had to organize a quiet job for her, because she would not go back working for the same guys who were financing what she has read in those archives.

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

[poutsara]

(07-02-2015 10:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Research who owns central banks like the US Federal Reserve. I'll save you the trouble - it is owned by local banks which in return are owned by private individuals making the Fed a private entity.

Those who control the supply and quantity of money sooner or later control the country. It is absolutely inevitable. But that game has been going on for centuries now.

In other words,

a Rothschild Wrote:

Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws

In other words,

Will Durant Wrote:

History reports that the men who can manage men manage the men who can manage only things, and the men who can manage money manage all.

[Caveman]

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

Yup, I wouldn't mind working for them either

I've given up rooting for the sheeple a long time ago. In the end it's the sheeple's greed and stupidity that enables all this abuse and control from above. Those who rule us have simply seen the game for what it is and adapted accordingly. I don't blame them at all.

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Alas - even their well-created century old system of world domination must end sooner or later. Life is too short to fret about it all. Knowing about it does not change much in terms of how you live your life. It is good to know, but nothing beyond that. After a time there comes a certain peace with it.

Here I disagree a bit. The peace you've got is BECAUSE you know about it and understand the game that's being played and have accepted it for what it is. I say knowing about it is useful in the sense that it will shape your expectations to be more accurate, will prevent you from falling for political ideals and you will save yourself from many disappointments.

[Samseau]

(07-07-2015 10:19 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

Yup, I wouldn't mind working for them either

I've given up rooting for the sheeple a long time ago. In the end it's the sheeple's greed and stupidity that enables all this abuse and control from above. Those who rule us have simply seen the game for what it is and adapted accordingly. I don't blame them at all.

The mentality you've displayed here is exactly what most sheeple have. It's why no revolts happen because people would rather join the bad guys rather than help out the common man. This keeps the bad guys in power forever. You've just displayed yourself to be no different than the sheeple.

The people who are awake stay out of the system by finding ways to make tax-free, crime-free (if possible) income, and then using their spare time to alert others.

[Caveman]

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:19 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

Yup, I wouldn't mind working for them either

I've given up rooting for the sheeple a long time ago. In the end it's the sheeple's greed and stupidity that enables all this abuse and control from above. Those who rule us have simply seen the game for what it is and adapted accordingly. I don't blame them at all.

The mentality you've displayed here is exactly what most sheeple have. It's why no revolts happen because people would rather join the bad guys rather than help out the common man. This keeps the bad guys in power forever. You've just displayed yourself to be no different than the sheeple.

The people who are awake stay out of the system by finding ways to make tax-free, crime-free (if possible) income, and then using their spare time to alert others.

Deadly wrong!

The people that revolt just about always replace one master with another. But they almost never remove any critical powers from their masters.

I suggest you make an experiment. Show the average Joe my paragraph ("I've given up rooting ...") and your paragraph ("The mentality ..."), and see which one he agrees with and then you'll see who is in the majority (aka the sheeple) and who isn't.

[Caveman]

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The people who are awake stay out of the system by finding ways to make tax-free, crime-free (if possible) income, and then using their spare time to alert others.

The people who are out of the system and make money tax-free and crime-free are exactly our rulers. Not the ones you see on the screen but the apex bankers, many shady financial activities which are criminalized for you and me are perfectly legal for them and almost none of them are taxed.

As for alerting others, I see no use of it except making a fool of yourself, you know well that the sheeple would rather fight to preserve the matrix and their delusions than see it for what it is.

And for the minority who really want to understand the ugly truth, well all the necessary information is out there already.

[Samseau]

(07-07-2015 11:42 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 10:19 AM)Caveman Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 04:03 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Alas - I would work for them if the offer was good enough - heh. On my own terms I am more idealistic and do more positive stuff, but currently there is no winning. The majority - not even 10% of the population will ever understand what is going on in our world - at least not in the next decades.

Yup, I wouldn't mind working for them either

I've given up rooting for the sheeple a long time ago. In the end it's the sheeple's greed and stupidity that enables all this abuse and control from above. Those who rule us have simply seen the game for what it is and adapted accordingly. I don't blame them at all.

The mentality you've displayed here is exactly what most sheeple have. It's why no revolts happen because people would rather join the bad guys rather than help out the common man. This keeps the bad guys in power forever. You've just displayed yourself to be no different than the sheeple.

The people who are awake stay out of the system by finding ways to make tax-free, crime-free (if possible) income, and then using their spare time to alert others.

Deadly wrong!

The people that revolt just about always replace one master with another. But they almost never remove any critical powers from their masters.

Once in awhile they do. Not often, but enough that it makes it better than doing nothing.

Quote:

I suggest you make an experiment. Show the average Joe my paragraph ("I've given up rooting ...") and your paragraph ("The mentality ..."), and see which one he agrees with and then you'll see who is in the majority (aka the sheeple) and who isn't.

Will the average Joe won't even know what we're talking about? Ultimately it's up to intellectual elites to decide how to use their time. Should we just throw in the towel or try and educate others?

[TheWastelander]

I'm inclined to agree with those stating that elite Jews play a huge part in this and I really don't think that should be a controversial opinion. It's just the truth. They're smart as hell, wily, and hustlers. I admire their hustle and tribalistic behavior.

I resent what they're doing to us, though. Their divide and conquer tactics are destroying this country.

It took me a long time and a lot of research to come to this conclusion because I did not want to, but the truth is the truth.

For instance, explain to me how in the hell they convinced a large part of American Chrisitanity that Israel's their best friend and Jews are their spiritual brethen? Try to tell me it's just coincidence that so many own media corporations or are in high places within the media.

It's true that most Jews probably don't know what's going on but more than you think do but don't care. They look after their own.

It is a survival mechanism on their part because they're few in numbers and have historically been targets.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The naked truth is that I loathed to continue working for the corporate world as soon as I fond out about all of this.

I am at peace with the system, but I prefer to do my own thing vs supporting it. Sure - theoretically almost everyone can be bought, but they don't offer 500 mio. $ to someone just for showing up. The stepping stones are incremental and I am not even at ease working for a major bank or insurance anymore - if I can help it otherwise.

[Caveman]

(07-07-2015 12:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Should we just throw in the towel or try and educate others?

I would educate only those who want to be educated. If you want to do more than that then that's your calling.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-07-2015 12:35 PM)Caveman Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 12:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Should we just throw in the towel or try and educate others?

I would educate only those who want to be educated. If you want to do more than that then that's your calling.

Yes - I still breach the subject if I sense that someone is wondering about our current system. Some of my friends who work very successfully in the corporate world became quite aware themselves of the problems on their own. So we do have common ground, but many still miss how deep and far the control matrix goes.

Essentially you reach a few and it is helpful. It becomes life-saving when you research food, medicine, orthomolecular medicine or even a bit investing and personal credit. There the knowledge can either save you personally as you are wise to avoid certain foods, ingredients, medical treatments or some investments touted as triple-A secure. Since you know the agendas, you don't participate in some areas of the matrix similar like Red Pill men are avoiding marriage since they know the full con of that point.

[Natural Born Gyalist]

(07-06-2015 02:47 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

These theories (and many facts) about the elite and the extent of their control are downright scary. Yet I can't reconcile it with one thing: what about the rest of the world? Surely they don't have any power in countries like Russia or China, despite them having central banks? Countries that are too big to be intimidated and too different to be infiltrated? Why would some commissar Zhang Wei the Taoist ever care to further the ends of some Zionist fanatics on the other side of the world?

Personal interest of a select few so they can also amass sizable fortunes. Its the collaborators that make it possible in every situation. People will sell their own people out for 30 pieces of silver or 30 billion in Euros/US Dollars , usually an amount somewhere on the lower end. Power is also a very powerful human incentive, as well as sex. The people that control the bigger picture are well known to use money, sex, drugs and other perversions to compromise future and present political figures in a way that keeps them bound in servitude for their political careers. Blackmail is an omnipotent tool when someones career depends on their "moral wholesomeness."