[Barron]

After relocating to eastern Europe six months ago I find my interest in politics diminishing. I guess it's because I now live comfortably in a country whose women meet my ideal and whose social politics agree with my own.

The information war regarding Trump is fun to follow but I feel little stake in the matter because I no longer live in the US. With all the excitement surrounding the upcoming election I took a step back and asked myself "What issue(s) fueled my political interest most?"

The two items in the subject are what were most important to me. When I altered them to meet my desired preference all other issues became far less interesting.

[Samseau]

No offense, but this seems to be zero-value thread.

Why not just rename it,

"If your life was perfect, you wouldn't care about politics"

Great insight! Astounding wisdom.

Now, time for real-talk:

You will never escape politics. No matter where you live, at best things will remain stable for a generation or two. Your children or grandchildren will have to deal with whatever consequences the world throws at them. There is no escaping the violence of malicious men who want what they have.

So you can either be pro-active with politics and work on political problems while they are small, or you can be a selfish man who ignores politics and dooms his children.

[Going strong]

(02-22-2016 05:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

time for real-talk:

You will never escape politics. No matter where you live, at best things will remain stable for a generation or two. Your children or grandchildren will have to deal with whatever consequences the world throws at them. There is no escaping the violence of malicious men who want what they have.

So you can either be pro-active with politics and work on political problems while they are small, or you can be a selfish man who ignores politics and dooms his children.

If you are (seemingly) far from trouble, don't worry: trouble will find you.

In French, we have a saying for that: "si tu ne viens pas a Lagardere, Lagardere ira a toi", meaning, if you think you have escaped trouble and violence by going far away, then be sure that trouble and violence will find their way back to you, some day...

(incidentally, the Lagardere family was the owner of the Bataclan theater)

[Yagibozan]

Only people who take up a political cause and devote themselves to it are crooks and brilliant people. Ultimately, choice of "issues" comes down to what bothers people most.

No jobs? You look up, or overhear about illegal immigration and globalism.
No girls? You look up, or overhear about our cozy little corner of the internet.
No booze? You try to find alternatives (drugs etc.) or homebrewing, as in Iran.
No fulfillment? Your immediate surroundings channel you towards a cause. Hillbillies go KKK and unfucked women go SJW.

There's also the genetic component. Vid related:

Not-so-related, but I also have a deep seated belief that a higher being bestows will and ability upon some making them leaders and fighters. Those men are more likely to be found fighting the good fight.

So it's your:
1-Genetic moral disposition (explained in the video)
2-What causes problems in your life
3-Has God given you his blessing

[Barron]

Sam, no one's life is perfect and Ukraine has plenty of problems at the moment. My point is that the problems Ukraine has encroach on my happiness far less than those which the west must now confront.

You can call leaving the US "running away" but I think that's a dismissive way of thinking.
Let's assume Trump becomes president and leads the country for the next 8 years. Do guys on here really believe that some magic switch will be flipped and women will stop living the empowered slut lifestyle? Get real.The western world is going to get worse long before it gets better.

We didn't create these problems and its not our obligation to fix them. I'm proud of who I am and where I come from, but don't be so quick to judge those who don't heed your rallying cry. To put it simply, living in my homeland was obstructing my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This is my right as an American and it has been taken from me just as it has from most men on here.

(02-22-2016 05:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You will never escape politics. No matter where you live, at best things will remain stable for a generation or two. Your children or grandchildren will have to deal with whatever consequences the world throws at them. There is no escaping the violence of malicious men who want what they have.

So you can either be pro-active with politics and work on political problems while they are small, or you can be a selfish man who ignores politics and dooms his children.

Thank you for bringing up the topic of family. I will never EVER create a family in the west. Other than the 3rd world I can't think of anything worse to subject children to than modern (degenerate) western culture.
I say: If you want to change things then stop contributing to the system. Take your value, take your experience and knowledge and go elsewhere. Don't give it a second or a penny more of your worth.

^^This is where your and my MO for change differs.

I'll be voting Trump to the finish just like most guys here, but in the meantime I intend to continue my life away from that misery rather than waiting for others to agree with me.

[Samseau]

Enjoy extinction

[262]

Let's be honest, some of what passes as politics here is really ineffectual rage-reading and rage-posting. I'm not immune.

And while awareness and knowledge is great, action is better. Just like in Game.

So what actions are most effective in this war? Denying the enemy the resources to engage in war, as Nomad basically said. Especially when the enemy in our case consists of socialist parasites who need productive capitalists as hosts.

Thus, the key to winning this war is to deny the enemy access to these productive people. Easiest way to do that? Get them to move abroad. Teach English, save money, start a location-independent business - the "how" is there.

But somehow, even on this forum, we still have guys who insist that leaving the West is "running away." No. You're denying your enemies the capability to wage war against you.

Besides, you can still rage-read and rage-post from abroad - trust me

[It_is_my_time]

To answer the question...

I would still be interested in politics, even if things were better in the west, due to concern for my and my future family's future. I may not be as interested as I am today, but there will always be important decisions to be made.

But there is no escaping globalism at this point in time. There is temporary escape, but it will eventually come to where you live, unless it is stopped. Presidential candidate Kasich has already talked about giving arms to Ukraine to start war with Russia. Presidential candidate Christie has said we need to shoot down Russian fighter jets in Syria.

[Going strong]

(02-23-2016 05:40 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

Sam, no one's life is perfect and Ukraine has plenty of problems at the moment. My point is that the problems Ukraine has encroach on my happiness far less than those which the west must now confront.

You can call leaving the US "running away" but I think that's a dismissive way of thinking.
Let's assume Trump becomes president and leads the country for the next 8 years. Do guys on here really believe that some magic switch will be flipped and women will stop living the empowered slut lifestyle? Get real.The western world is going to get worse long before it gets better.

We didn't create these problems and its not our obligation to fix them. I'm proud of who I am and where I come from, but don't be so quick to judge those who don't heed your rallying cry. To put it simply, living in my homeland was obstructing my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This is my right as an American and it has been taken from me just as it has from most men on here.

(02-22-2016 05:55 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You will never escape politics. No matter where you live, at best things will remain stable for a generation or two. Your children or grandchildren will have to deal with whatever consequences the world throws at them. There is no escaping the violence of malicious men who want what they have.

So you can either be pro-active with politics and work on political problems while they are small, or you can be a selfish man who ignores politics and dooms his children.

Thank you for bringing up the topic of family. I will never EVER create a family in the west. Other than the 3rd world I can't think of anything worse to subject children to than modern (degenerate) western culture.
I say: If you want to change things then stop contributing to the system. Take your value, take your experience and knowledge and go elsewhere. Don't give it a second or a penny more of your worth.

^^This is where your and my MO for change differs.

I'll be voting Trump to the finish just like most guys here, but in the meantime I intend to continue my life away from that misery rather than waiting for others to agree with me.

If you are voting Trump, and maybe even donating some money to some conservative organization(s), while also posting here and maybe on other conservative forums, well: then you are fighting the good fight, albeit from a far-away country. Technically it would be better to fight right at the heart of the "beast" (in the West), but I'd say, you're participating (even on a modest scale).

Only thing I disagree with in your analysis, is not having children in the West, but, if instead you have children with a young beautiful feminine Ukrainian woman, then I guess it's perfectly fine...

Also, about your sentence: "Take your value, take your experience and knowledge and go elsewhere", consider something even better, to beat the system: take your money elsewhere! Take your money out of the West (like, open a bank account in Hungary or Moscow or Montevideo or even Singapore)...

Matter of fact, you gave me an idea I'll start a thread on that just now! thread-53998.html

[Huey]

(02-23-2016 08:07 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Enjoy extinction

And what actions are you taking, Samseau?

[Samseau]

(02-23-2016 10:36 AM)Huey Wrote:  

(02-23-2016 08:07 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Enjoy extinction

And what actions are you taking, Samseau?

Fighting to make sure the USA remains strong, networking with like-minded men, and building up my finances so I can raise children. I take survival seriously, not just myself but also my neighbors.

[DamienCasanova]

(02-23-2016 05:40 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

We didn't create these problems and its not our obligation to fix them. I'm proud of who I am and where I come from, but don't be so quick to judge those who don't heed your rallying cry. To put it simply, living in my homeland was obstructing my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. This is my right as an American and it has been taken from me just as it has from most men on here.

I disagree with this statement, and I think it IS our responsibility to fix the things we see as problematic for society. It's this exact attitude that got us to where we are today, no one has taken responsibility for themselves or their society in a long time and everyone passes the buck and blames someone else or withdraws from action. No we didn't create these problems that America faces, but we must man up and accept the responsibility for them anyway, for the good of ourselves, our societies and our future generations.

That is what is missing in politics today, the good, honest, honorable, moral people are NOT involved and have withdrawn, leaving our governance to the power hungry and corrupt. You have a right as American to live how you want, but we also have to constantly stand up for what we believe in or be trampled over.

[CleanSlate]

I tend to agree that this thread provides minimal value if any, but...

(02-23-2016 08:07 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Enjoy extinction

No disrespect to you, but man I think that's a bit overboard. The OP made his choice and also made it clear that he doesn't want to have kids in a Western country. I don't see anything wrong with making that kind of choice, and should be treated as such. You're making a different (and diametrically opposite) choice and there's nothing wrong with that either.

What I do believe, regardless of which paths we take in our lives, is that we must take any and every opportunity to vote. As a citizen of our country, it is our obligation and not voting dishonors our founding fathers and those who have died for our country.

So if the OP exercises his right to vote from afar, that's fine by me. He does not have to spend the rest of his life being miserable here if that's how he feels.

[Samseau]

Quote:

No disrespect to you, but man I think that's a bit overboard. The OP made his choice and also made it clear that he doesn't want to have kids in a Western country.

I'm not sure I read it correctly but NomandofEU makes it sound like he didn't want kids at all?

Quote:

Thank you for bringing up the topic of family. I will never EVER create a family in the west. Other than the 3rd world I can't think of anything worse to subject children to than modern (degenerate) western culture.

No kids in first world, or third world... so no kids.

[CleanSlate]

^ Maybe NomadofEU will step in to clarify, but it sounded to me that it's only in the West that he doesn't want to have kids in.

[Barron]

This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for. I never wanted to talk about the fight itself, just the story behind the whole mess.

If somebody wants to take this thread down please do. I don't see any good coming from this.

[DamienCasanova]

I respect you for realizing a solution to the problem of not finding hot feminine women in the US, and moving to the Ukraine to solve it for you. I actually met a beautiful blond model from the Ukraine last year, and she really opened my eyes to how women from there are, and it gave me something to aspire towards as well. In my heart I'd love to meet a hot young blond russian/ukranian girl and have a family with her as well. But it also made me want to fight harder for my country to be great again and to bring back that lost greatness my parents and previous generations had. I could pack up and head over there to poosy paradise as well, and i'm sure it would be amazing for a while, but in the back of my mind I know the problems America is facing socially and culturally are rapidly moving around the world, and soon there may be no place to hide from the globalism. You may have found a reprieve from the culture war over there, and that's cool sometimes every soldier needs to get out of the bush for a few months to get their head back on straight, but that doesn't mean the war isn't still being waged every day all over the world.

[nomadbrah]

(02-23-2016 04:19 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for. I never wanted to talk about the fight itself, just the story behind the whole mess.

If somebody wants to take this thread down please do. I don't see any good coming from this.

Calm down bro, we understand what you mean, I know exactly what you're talking about, I have had the exact same experience when living abroad.

That's what life should be like for most of us, but it isn't. I regret moving back home many times, but when I am here, there is no choice, we are forced into caring.

No problem enjoying life where you are, you can help in other ways.

[262]

(02-23-2016 02:30 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

No kids in first world, or third world... so no kids.

Isn't there a number between 1 and 3?

[Aurini]

(02-22-2016 04:10 PM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

After relocating to eastern Europe six months ago I find my interest in politics diminishing.

This is the great problem; as soon as Red Team manages to build a successful civilization, they rest on their laurels, and the hostis humani generis of Blue Team start scurrying through the rafters, and dismantling everything that we built.

I'm currently trying to work out civilizational strategies which can be used to keep them in check. It's a problem we'll never be rid of, but if we approach it with a proper moral theology wherein we don't save them from themselves, they will auto-exterminate. We need to give them what they want, while ensuring that we don't save them from the consequences.

>Subsidize abortion
>Subsidize sterilization
>No legal restrictions on promiscuity/homosexuality (STDs cause sterility)

While simultaneously:

>Propagandize against abortion with disgust imagery (this will only work on Red Team)
>Institutional support for families
>No financial support for STD treatments

This will substantially reduce the population of Blue Team, removing the bulk of their genes from the gene pool without using force. Meanwhile, we also need to funnel them into useful positions; encourage them to pursue artistic endeavours, under the guidance of Red Team patrons, and avoid creating oppressive social structures that will give them cause for organized rebellion.

[Sonsowey]

Even if Men were Men and Women were Women, there would still be plenty of political issues to worry about.

Taxes, tariffs, war and peace, overspending, underinvesting, promoting cultural influence abroad, etc.

None of this goes away just because traditional sex roles exist. See any period in history before feminism.