[Sardino]

I'm currently living in Vitoria, Brazil and as other guys on the forum have said, the women here are de parar o trânsito. With my Brazilian roommate we came up with the idea of starting up an escort directory website as a way to make some money and bang pros for free. This idea could be implemented just about everywhere, though I wouldn't want to do it in the USSA.

Here is some of my competition
http://www.ilhadoprazer.com.br/
http://www.todasua.com.br/
http://www.vitoriagirls.com.br/
http://www.asmaissexy.com.br/

These sites all cater towards Brazilians, and what English they have is poorly translated. I think I can differentiate myself by catering towards English and Spanish speaking clients. The competition doesn't have anything in the way of SEO, so it would be pretty easy to get my site ranked, which I could then use as a selling point with the girls.

My roommate dated a girl for a few years who later went on to hooking. I've been harassing him for a week to get her over to our place so we can negotiate but she wrecked her car after allegedly drinking 24 beers and has been staying with her mother in another city. She works at a strip club so she has lots of friends that she could introduce us to.

I've already bought a domain, thrown up a wordpress Escort template and started doing SEO on the site. My hope is that by next week I can have at least 3 girls listed on the site.

I haven't really considered this idea from a legal angle, what do you guys think? Is this a bad idea or is it the greatest idea ever?

[Dash Global]

As long as its legal and you dont do any tax evasion than its a great idea. Small to zero overhead. Go for it!

Have hot females with good prices and it should thrive

[Lumiere]

Bad idea.

I am not saying you won't get laid but - here is a crazy idea - how about you get your game so tight that chicks want to bang you because they like you?

There is an unlimited supply of poon if you are prepared to deal with chicks who's mindset is sexually transactional.

Go to Philippines. Some chicks there will bang you for the chance to sleep with air con and a 50-50 shot at being bought breakfast the next morn.

Call me crazy but my preference is for girls who don't regard doing the nasty with me as a yeah-but-what-else-do-i-get-out-of-it proposition.

[Dash Global]

Jesus i just peeped one of those sites and good lawd there is some fine ass bitches for sale. how and where do you get such talent I dont know. Guess you roll up to a fine ass chick and be like you wanna make some money lol

[Dash Global]

Lumi, forget that he could have access to fine bitches for a second. The main thing is he can make some pretty good green if things go well!

[Moma]

(05-31-2011 02:49 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

Bad idea.

I am not saying you won't get laid but - here is a crazy idea - how about you get your game so tight that chicks want to bang you because they like you?

There is an unlimited supply of poon if you are prepared to deal with chicks who's mindset is sexually transactional.

Go to Philippines. Some chicks there will bang you for the chance to sleep with air con and a 50-50 shot at being bought breakfast the next morn.

Call me crazy but my preference is for girls who don't regard doing the nasty with me as a yeah-but-what-else-do-i-get-out-of-it proposition.

What if he is not attracted to pinays?

[Sardino]

(05-31-2011 02:53 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Lumi, forget that he could have access to fine bitches for a second. The main thing is he can make some pretty good green if things go well!

I'm still trying to figure out the pricing, but I think somewhere around 500 Reais a month would be fair. If I have 20 girls listed on the site thats 10,000 Reais a month. I could go around calling myself 'The Big Coffee,' wear fur coats and drive a lifted VW Beetle. Plus being a pimp in a foreign country will be a fun story to tell my sons for their 10th birthday.

[Sardino]

(05-31-2011 02:49 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

I am not saying you won't get laid but - here is a crazy idea - how about you get your game so tight that chicks want to bang you because they like you?

Call me crazy but my preference is for girls who don't regard doing the nasty with me as a yeah-but-what-else-do-i-get-out-of-it proposition.

You're crazy.

Well actually you're right. I'd rather be banging girls who like me for me than banging ones that want to get something else out of it. I'm not going to give up the game just because I've got a bunch of escorts hanging around. At some point I'm going to leave Vitoria and I don't want to be reliant on my escort gimmick in order to get laid.

[Lumiere]

(05-31-2011 03:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  

What if he is not attracted to pinays?

Google image search Vanessa Hudgens and Lily Thai (porn star but actually filipina) and then tell me if you dont want to hit that

If you dont then you may as well just become a monk

[Gmac]

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp. Very risky business, so hopefully you do more research and figure out what you're getting yourself into. It's not as simple as setting up a site and finding girls. You'll need to protect the women and work out all of the legal aspects to a T. I'm not an expert, but I'm sure there are probably dozens of other extremely important and complicated variables involved.

[Dash Global]

(05-31-2011 03:30 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp. Very risky business, so hopefully you do more research and figure out what you're getting yourself into. It's not as simple as setting up a site and finding girls. You'll need to protect the women and work out all of the legal aspects to a T. I'm not an expert, but I'm sure there are probably dozens of other extremely important and complicated variables involved.

Just have the females sign complete contracts releasing him of any responsibility of the damage that may come from the job.

Sorta of a work at ur own risk type of job!

[Giovonny]

Quote:

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp.

Only if he keeps ALL of the money.

If the girls keep half the money...

Then that ain't pimping!!!

If you do it, do it for the money not the pussy.

Money is worth alot more

[Dash Global]

(05-31-2011 03:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote:

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp.

Only if he keeps ALL of the money.

If the girls keep half the money...

Then that ain't pimping!!!

Good luck getting 9-10's to give you all the money! lol

Better have a deluxe penthouse to house all the females and a few of those limitless credit cards!

[Roosh]

Can you tell us more about your experiencing trying to game the women? What obstacles are you running into?

I feel you though... it was a brutal city for me.

[Roosh]

I see the going price is 350 R$ per hour ($220). Seems pricey.

I was going through photos of the girls and wow I forgot how big Brazilian asses were. I miss.

[Dash Global]

jesus 220 bucks an hour!!!! is there that many rich brasilians and rich tourists in Vitoria to accommodate such high prices?

[Roosh]

Also, discussing an idea publicly like this you're not going to get any "yeah man do it!" responses. Do it because you want to do it, not because guys here think you should.

That said, you have two issues:

1. Promotion. Girls are not going to pay for your listings if you don't have traffic.
2. Meeting the girls. Are you sure the site operators are meeting the girls that they're listing? I don't see why it can't all be done via email or Paypal.

A better gig would be the photographer who takes the naked photos. Gringoed and Partytime got laid with a similar method:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1211-p...l#pid17484

[thegmanifesto]

(05-31-2011 03:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote:

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp.

Only if he keeps ALL of the money.

If the girls keep half the money...

Then that ain't pimping!!!

If you do it, do it for the money not the pussy.

Money is worth alot more

Very true, Giovanny is always coming with the Bay Area pimping steez.

Here is my question:

Do you really want to be pimping?

It is an ugly biz. Bad karma. Dealing with girls problems 24/7. Making yourself a target for Standover men. And crooked cops. And vengeful family members. Scumbag boyfriends. Hoods.

Going to the darkside. Are you ruthless? Can your conscience handle it?

Pimps are usually born not made.

[Pepini]

Building an escort website is not dificult. Just create a site and post some fake pics of girls who already are your "clients" and then take a wireless laptop computer to some brothels and ask the girls if they´re interested. Some will try to pay with their bodies. If you succeed you´ll earn easy money.

A brothel is a different game. The biggest problem is an eventual pimp fight. If you shelter one hooker who "belonged" to a different house and she brings her clientele with her, the former pimp will not take it lightly and might take some revenge measures.

I´ve never been involved in any of these activities but was close conected to those who are. Besides being a crime, pimpin is in the end one of the lowest form of explotation. It´s cool in the TV and such but in real life, girls get heavily beaten up. Brothels are decadent and I only seem to see loosers when I went with my friends. The single question popping in my head was: Why are we in this shithole wasting time, and not in a club trying to score.

Strip clubs are in a different level. Some years ago I´ve might entered that business. Today not anymore.

[Vacancier Permanent]

Sardinio,
I'd be very cautious with that. Even tough the idea is very alluring, it's also extremely dangerous for a gringo. Keep in mind that pimping in Brasil IS illegal and therefore punishable by law. Now, despite that, and Brasil being Brasil, it goes on everywhere. HOWEVER and that's a big BUT, it's because in 99 if not 100% of the time, it's owned and control by the police, PM (Policia Militar) and other high ranked folks. So unless you have a lot of very high end connections and extremely deep pockets to grease the right palms, you're not going to last more than a week or 2 before you get a visit from the PM. And with you being a gringo, with no high end contacts and no deep pocket, they'd have a field day on you, and you'd end up with your mug all over TV Globo as the dirty vilain American running a pimp/whoring website and be sent to a Brasilian prison where you'd get routinely gang-raped multiple times a day. I'm not trying to be raining on your parade or be an ass, far from it. You're not the first gringo in Brasil who's had that idea/dream. Many, yours truly included have harboured that dream, however, soon to be crushed by the reality of things in Brasil. So be extremely extremely careful with what you'd get yourself into.

Boa sorte.

[LostGringo]

I have a friend who I bet could offer a very frank assessment of this discussion, but alas, he's in prison about 200km east of Sao Paulo and they don't offer internet service. He's just finished year two of a scheduled 8-year drug-related-holiday and reports that he finally obtained one of the four beds in his 6 man "suite" - having spent the past two years sleeping on the concrete floor. Good news is that the "ass-rapping" bit is not accurate. They put the foreigners in a special prison and violence is not an issue. If he had $50,000usd he could have bought his way out after a year or so - but, besides having bad judgement, he's also broke. So, he'll certainly be fluent in Portugues when they put him on a plane and deport him in 6 short years.

[LostGringo]

(06-01-2011 12:16 AM)LostGringo Wrote:  

I have a friend who I bet could offer a very frank assessment of this discussion, but alas, he's in prison about 200km east of Sao Paulo and they don't offer internet service. He's just finished year two of a scheduled 8-year drug-related-holiday and reports that he finally obtained one of the four beds in his 6 man "suite" - having spent the past two years sleeping on the concrete floor. Good news is that the "ass-rapping" bit is not accurate. They put the foreigners in a special prison and violence is not an issue. If he had $50,000usd he could have bought his way out after a year or so - but, besides having bad judgement, he's also broke. So, he'll certainly be fluent in Portugues when they put him on a plane and deport him in 6 short years.

Ah, make that WEST of Sao Paulo.

[oldnemesis]

(05-31-2011 02:36 PM)Sardino Wrote:  

I haven't really considered this idea from a legal angle, what do you guys think? Is this a bad idea or is it the greatest idea ever?

What is your business model?

If you're just posting the ads with the phone numbers, charge per ad and that's it, you should have it pretty easy. Here's how myredbook operates. It may be even legal where you are. However you're not going to make a lot of money - if any at all - until you grow up very big. A lot of sites operate using this model, and while many make decent money, I don't know any who got rich from that.

However if you're going to handle also logistics, arrangements, payments (esp credit card), this would be more like a full-service escort agency. This makes more money, and keeps the girls "locked in" as you're providing the service which is harder to find. This, however, makes you a pimp in the eyes of law, with all related consequences - justice, corrupt cops, local mafia, crime etc. I knew someone in past who successfully ran such a business in Russia, but he was a crazy dude who'd pimp his own sister if the price was right. You sure you can make it?

[Sardino]

(05-31-2011 03:57 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Can you tell us more about your experiencing trying to game the women? What obstacles are you running into?

I feel you though... it was a brutal city for me.

I plan on starting a new thread with my experiences at the end of my time here, but I'll say a few words now.

As you've mentioned before, this is a small town and people tend to be guarded about meeting new people. When a friend of mine introduces me to another friend of theres, very commonly the friend doesn't address me at all and talks to our mutual friend. Here is how this scenario usually plays out.
Amigo - "Te presento meu amigo americano/meu amigo de California/meu amigo."
Sardino - "Prazer/Belleza/Valeu/Tudo bom?/Hey como vai?"
Novo - (falando com nosso amigo) "Ele fala Portugues?/De onde e ele?"
Sardino - "Logico eu falo Portugues, eu so Capixaba!"

Its pretty frustrating that most of the people I meet will talk to our mutual friend and ask them questions about me instead of asking me those questions directly. I've had to interrupt a few times by saying "Hey, deixe-me contar minha propria historia de vida." This is the problem I've had with people in general here, not just girls.

The girls give me a different set of problems. Even though I'm staying here for a while, and most of the girls I've met have been through mutual friends, they just don't seem to be interested in talking to me at all. I'm able to converse pretty well in Portuguese most of the time, so I don't think its an issue of language, I think it goes back to Capixabas being closed off to strangers. The only girls who don't try running away after the obligatory greetings are the ones who speak some English or Spanish. My best friend here is a girl who studied Spanish for 5 years, and we use each other to keep up our Spanish abilities.

I've been in Vitoria for about a month now and I haven't gotten laid here yet. The few times I've gone out to clubs I've pushed myself to make 5 approaches, but there are a lot of things working against me here. The girls are closed off, there's the language barrier, I'm not as attractive as the average Brazilian and my game isn't at that high of a level. I've read everything Roosh has written several times and I've adapted the attitude that an Alpha should have, but I'm still hindered by my inexperience. I'm 20 so I've never been to a club in the US or anywhere where the patrons speak English, so I have no frame of reference for how a successful club/bar pickup should work. But Vitoria is crackable and I'm determined to keep approaching until I bang a Capixaba.

(05-31-2011 04:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Also, discussing an idea publicly like this you're not going to get any "yeah man do it!" responses. Do it because you want to do it, not because guys here think you should.

That said, you have two issues:

1. Promotion. Girls are not going to pay for your listings if you don't have traffic.
2. Meeting the girls. Are you sure the site operators are meeting the girls that they're listing? I don't see why it can't all be done via email or Paypal.

A better gig would be the photographer who takes the naked photos. Gringoed and Partytime got laid with a similar method:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1211-p...l#pid17484

Some of the guys here have pointed out the risks of following through with this business. I appreciate the feedback and will keep it in mind as I move forward with this.

1. Maybe I'll pay some kid to hand out fliers advertising my site like they do in El Centro in Medellin. I think having 1st rank on google will be a pretty strong selling point.
2. I cant imagine that many Brazilian hookers have paypal accounts.

That photographer idea is pure gold. I would be doing that in a heartbeat if I had a good enough camera. When I come back next time I'm definitely bringing a camera and doing this. But maybe I can find one to rent right now...

(05-31-2011 04:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(05-31-2011 03:50 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Quote:

You'd be essentially becoming an e-pimp.

Only if he keeps ALL of the money.

If the girls keep half the money...

Then that ain't pimping!!!

If you do it, do it for the money not the pussy.

Money is worth alot more

Very true, Giovanny is always coming with the Bay Area pimping steez.

Here is my question:

Do you really want to be pimping?

It is an ugly biz. Bad karma. Dealing with girls problems 24/7. Making yourself a target for Standover men. And crooked cops. And vengeful family members. Scumbag boyfriends. Hoods.

Going to the darkside. Are you ruthless? Can your conscience handle it?

Pimps are usually born not made.

No, I don't want to be pimping. I'd get eaten alive at that game. I'm going to keep this as simple as possible and limit my operation to a site that lists freelance hookers.

(05-31-2011 05:10 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Building an escort website is not dificult. Just create a site and post some fake pics of girls who already are your "clients" and then take a wireless laptop computer to some brothels and ask the girls if they´re interested. Some will try to pay with their bodies. If you succeed you´ll earn easy money.

Putting up fake pics of people who are already my "clients" is a great idea. It'll be easier to get people to advertise on the site if there are already girls on it. I'm going to try to get girls through referrals from other hookers and cold calling. I don't want to get girls from brothels because they've probably got a jealous brothel owner boyfriend.

(06-01-2011 04:47 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

What is your business model?

If you're just posting the ads with the phone numbers, charge per ad and that's it, you should have it pretty easy. Here's how myredbook operates. It may be even legal where you are. However you're not going to make a lot of money - if any at all - until you grow up very big. A lot of sites operate using this model, and while many make decent money, I don't know any who got rich from that.

I don't want the headache of running a pimping business in a country whose legal system I don't know and in a language I don't fully understand. I'm going to keep it simple and post the ads with pics and phone numbers and charge per month.

[Dash Global]

What nationality are you and white/black/tan ect?