[lemko]

(06-15-2015 07:52 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(06-14-2015 08:21 AM)rpg Wrote:  

166lbs for a woman is seriously fat. My wife weighed 130 when we got married and even that day eons ago I asked her to drop 10 which she never did.
The normal average American diet is fucked. Huge carb loading! It is suprising their are any thin girls left at all.
Too much bread, soft drinks, milk and ice cream. Smoking did indeed help keep people thin.

Soft drinks and sugary foods are WAY, WAY worse for you than bread and milk. I'm not sure why they'd be listed in the same breath.

I've pretty much stopped drinking soft drinks altogether. If I want a carbonated beverage, I now drink seltzer water which is 0 calories.

[Travesty]

If you follow no dairy ever, no sugar ever it is almost impossible to be overweight.

[Bad Hussar]

Been watching documentaries of the Gemini and Apollo programs recently. Almost no fat people. Not only astronauts, but ground crews as well. Most astronauts probably 5'10" and 165 lbs. Also, most of the ground crew smoked. Almost no women at mission control, and no female astronauts so can't comment much on women, but none of the wives or family of astronauts seemed fat.

Frankly, if a young woman has to choose between being fat or smoking she should choose smoking. And many European girls do just that, though it has always seemed a false choice to me.

Don't really know how to get from being a fat person/nation to being slim. Looking at statistics it would appear nearly impossible. Until a pharmaceutical company comes up with a drug that will allow people to cut way back on carbs while still somehow maintaining stable blood sugar levels I don't see it happening. The fluctuation of blood sugar when dieting will almost always cause a fat person to relapse.

[zaqan]

It saddens me that I weigh about what a 1960s woman weighs (apparently late 80s for 20-29 women). On the other hand, it means I can build muscle more easily.

[godzilla]

http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Heal...s_Ago.html

Well check this out...

"According to the report, the average weight of men in the United States rose from 181 pounds to 196 pounds between 1988-1994 and 2011-2014. Their average height remained the same at about 5 feet, 9 inches. The average woman, meanwhile, expanded from 152 pounds to 169 pounds while her height remained steady at just under 5 feet, 4 inches."

What the fuck? 5'4 170lbs?

[churros]

This article in the NYT said that dieting works for very few people. There is increasing consensus that being fat is quasi-permanent. Once you reach that level, the seal is broken. Fat becomes the new standard, and your metabolism adjusts accordingly.

Reading the comments in th article, many say: "At last! Proof that fatness is an illness!" They take it as good news, evidence that the fat haters are just big old meanies.

I think the conclusions are far more sinister. If you become fat at an early age, say through bad parenting, you are fucked forever. The dieting concept is an invention of the health/medical industry. Forget it. If you're fat, it's over. People need to recognise the seriousness of that before it's too late.

[heavy]

Seems like these go together like the chicken and the egg...

Why millennials are having less sex than previous generations

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Average American Woman's Weight = 1960's American Male Weight

[cibo]

(08-04-2016 01:37 PM)churros Wrote:  

This article in the NYT said that dieting works for very few people. There is increasing consensus that being fat is quasi-permanent. Once you reach that level, the seal is broken. Fat becomes the new standard, and your metabolism adjusts accordingly.

Reading the comments in th article, many say: "At last! Proof that fatness is an illness!" They take it as good news, evidence that the fat haters are just big old meanies.

I think the conclusions are far more sinister. If you become fat at an early age, say through bad parenting, you are fucked forever. The dieting concept is an invention of the health/medical industry. Forget it. If you're fat, it's over. People need to recognise the seriousness of that before it's too late.

From what I've understood, basically once you create fat cells, its basically how much they expand or shrink at a specific time. You really can't easily destroy them.

[Htownanddown]

(08-04-2016 01:37 PM)churros Wrote:  

This article in the NYT said that dieting works for very few people. There is increasing consensus that being fat is quasi-permanent. Once you reach that level, the seal is broken. Fat becomes the new standard, and your metabolism adjusts accordingly.

Reading the comments in th article, many say: "At last! Proof that fatness is an illness!" They take it as good news, evidence that the fat haters are just big old meanies.

I think the conclusions are far more sinister. If you become fat at an early age, say through bad parenting, you are fucked forever. The dieting concept is an invention of the health/medical industry. Forget it. If you're fat, it's over. People need to recognise the seriousness of that before it's too late.

I have to disagree with this. The article says

Quote:

That is the advice dieters often get, but studies have not found that to be the case. For example, a recent Australian study, funded by the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council and the Sir Edward Dunlop Medical Research Foundation, randomly assigned 204 obese people to subsist on just 450 to 800 calories a day for 12 weeks, or to cut a more modest 400 to 500 calories a day from their diets over 36 weeks. The goal for both groups was a 15 percent weight loss. Three years after the study began, almost everyone had regained the weight they lost, despite counseling on diet and exercise.

Why wouldn't the assumption here be that most of these people went back to the incredibly unhealthy eating/exercise habits they had before the study. We are just told that they almost all returned to their previous weight despite counseling on diet and exercise. What the fuck does that mean?

Wouldn't the results be similar in any study relating to an unhealthy behavior, your liver improves when you stop drinking, your lungs when you smoking etc. People still go back to doing those things, because unhealthy habits are hard to break. To insinuate, as this article does, that the return to the previous weight is physiological and not behavioral is a stretch (pun intended) at best.

I still have yet to see any evidence that continuing healthy eating and exercise habits yields anything but sustained transformative results.

[HermeticAlly]

(08-04-2016 01:37 PM)churros Wrote:  

This article in the NYT said that dieting works for very few people. There is increasing consensus that being fat is quasi-permanent. Once you reach that level, the seal is broken. Fat becomes the new standard, and your metabolism adjusts accordingly.

This is the exact kind of fatalism that the MSM wants you to have. The fact is, losing weight is not hard - reducing carbs, eliminating sugar and soft drinks from your diet, making fresh meals instead of processed frozen garbage, eating lots of fresh vegetables, and so on - will do the job, combined with regular exercise and eating reasonable portions.

The problem is that most Americans just aren't willing to give up their garbage food and drinks, and the adulterous collaboration of big agribusiness and public health policy don't want you doing that either because it will cost them billions of dollars of profit. It doesn't help that the whole concept of the "diet" is flawed, and what is necessary is permanent, not temporary, dietary change.

[Ingocnito]

166 average is a clear sign of fatness. Just look back WW2 and before. That's roughly what humans are supposed to look like.

All I see in the U.S. is pigs everywhere. Pig women and pig men. Then every so often a hot girl who completely stands out, who of course, is a complete bitch from hell 90% of the time, and mostly useless except for sex anyways.

What's more laughable is what women consider a "workout." Suck it up fatties, if you exercise you're supposed to sweat,.. a lot. I rarely see women in gyms or outside doing ANYTHING to break a noticeable sweat. Sad times indeed.

It's getting harder to let a trim women leave your side, and that's not scarcity mindset, it's a numerical equation.

[Ingocnito]

(08-04-2016 03:57 PM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 01:37 PM)churros Wrote:  

This article in the NYT said that dieting works for very few people. There is increasing consensus that being fat is quasi-permanent. Once you reach that level, the seal is broken. Fat becomes the new standard, and your metabolism adjusts accordingly.

This is the exact kind of fatalism that the MSM wants you to have. The fact is, losing weight is not hard - reducing carbs, eliminating sugar and soft drinks from your diet, making fresh meals instead of processed frozen garbage, eating lots of fresh vegetables, and so on - will do the job, combined with regular exercise and eating reasonable portions.

The problem is that most Americans just aren't willing to give up their garbage food and drinks, and the adulterous collaboration of big agribusiness and public health policy don't want you doing that either because it will cost them billions of dollars of profit. It doesn't help that the whole concept of the "diet" is flawed, and what is necessary is permanent, not temporary, dietary change.

When I was in my 20s, knew a girl who probably weighed about 160sih. Drank pop regularly. She did just 1 thing, quit drinking pop, lost 30 fucking lbs in 6-7 months, and instantly became bangable.

So much can be done with diet alone it's just silly. Every time lately I see the following: A car accident, a public disturbance, a mistake in business or transaction of basic operations in anything, a mess, littering, a hold up in a line, e.v.e.r.y. damn time, the person is a minimum a fatso, if not an obese blob with edema cankles growing, and hog jowls.

When you become obese, you have to start with diet first, then segue into exercise and diet simultaneously.. because you are so weak you can't support normal operation of the human body with what you've done to yourself. It WILL feel like you're dying to make a significant change with exercise. The first 6 months SHOULD be pushed to the edge of heart attack and stroke because THAT's what it takes to undo obesity... and if you die trying, well at least there's a smidgen of honor in that.

[churros]

Guys. There is a moral point and a physiological point. Don't confuse them. The scientific evidence says that fat people return to their fattest weight very easily. Their metabolism has changed permanently. That is why dieting often fails. Does that mean it is impossible to lose weight? No. Does it make it harder? Yes. I eat a hamburger, nothing happens. Former fattie does, and he gets fat. That's a tough break. Even beer is high in calories.

Can we reduce the problem of fatness to morality? Only if you ignore factors such as physiology, environment, and class. Of course, lazy people exist. But it's hard to moralise without knowing someone's specific situation. Do not confuse this with a fluffy, bleeding heart argument. By definition, morality concerns the individual. And you simply don't know the facts. That's why conservative analyses of society often miss the mark.

[NovaVirtu]

This is just appalling.

I can't tell you how many times I go out and see some girl who is on the cusp of being hot, but you can see the fatness setting in. The worst are those fucking flabby upper arms. When that happens, it's like looking at a house that you know is about to collapse.

I'm not even talking about older women (although that's bad too). Many of these girls are like 24 and they look like this. What goes in a young woman's mind where she thinks it's okay to just let herself go like that?

I truly cannot wrap my head around it.

[Ingocnito]

(08-05-2016 08:41 AM)churros Wrote:  

Guys. There is a moral point and a physiological point. Don't confuse them. The scientific evidence says that fat people return to their fattest weight very easily. Their metabolism has changed permanently. That is why dieting often fails. Does that mean it is impossible to lose weight? No. Does it make it harder? Yes. I eat a hamburger, nothing happens. Former fattie does, and he gets fat. That's a tough break. Even beer is high in calories.

Can we reduce the problem of fatness to morality? Only if you ignore factors such as physiology, environment, and class. Of course, lazy people exist. But it's hard to moralise without knowing someone's specific situation. Do not confuse this with a fluffy, bleeding heart argument. By definition, morality concerns the individual. And you simply don't know the facts. That's why conservative analyses of society often miss the mark.

You can permanently change the body's homeostasis: The "Fat Gene" is passed down from the father (recent science has proven). For instance, usually, a fat dad ... at the point of conception will have fat kids who turn into fat adults.

Even if the mom's a blob, if the father's skinny, usually over time, the child will grow into a skinny adult barring any Westernized fatso habits.

How you change the homeostasis of the body is over-shoot your target, and extend time beyond physiological systems ability to rebound. You literally change the chemical-burn-rate of your body.

So, if you're 100 lbs over weight, you need to loose ALL 100 LBS. and keep it off for a few years, THEN you will permanently change yourself. You will also, as such, change your genetics.

People trying to lose or gain weight always fail at this. Why? Because they just hit their target, then recess from it. You have to HOLD your target for at least a few years. Which is why they call the exercise craze movement a "lifestyle change."

The problem is with so much pacification from every stimulus in the West, it's a daunting proposition for anyone. I know this works because I've done it and know others who have.

[El Chinito loco]

(08-05-2016 09:27 AM)NovaVirtu Wrote:  

I'm not even talking about older women (although that's bad too). Many of these girls are like 24 and they look like this. What goes in a young woman's mind where she thinks it's okay to just let herself go like that?

I truly cannot wrap my head around it.

This poor diet and bad living habit also reflects on the premature aging a lot of these women go through too. It becomes really obvious when you have some early 20 something western women backpacking in asia and they look like hammered shit next to local asian women in the same age range.

It's shocking to me how old these women look now. I remember 20 years ago the 18-22 year olds still looked young and natural.

Now you're seeing 18-22 year old western women with crow's feet, saggy gunts, flabby upper arms, and bad skin. This is all from a poor diet high in sugar, carbs, and no leafy greens. Not to mention constant drinking, late nights, and carousel riding.

[The Black Knight]

It's all about diet and impulse control. That's it.

I've lived with fat people. I've tried to help them.

They all eat crap, too much of it, and too often.

Shit loads of ranch dressing, high calorie alcohol drinks, soda, tons of cheese, processed garbage, tons more of soda. Combined with no physical activity = fat fuck. Even WITH physical activity, its hard to burn all that shit off unless you are a swimmer or something.

When I've tried to help these people, they act like eating consistently good for 3 days in a row is a giant struggle. 2 months? Forget it. Only a heart attack or some other major health/lifestyle issue gets them to get their head out of their ass. I've tried to babysit people by staying on their ass to exercise and eat right and it's a fools errand. As soon as you let up, they will revert back to their old ways.

In dating, even if a woman is fit TODAY, I will instantly KO her for anything beyond a bang if she has shit eating habits. One girl I banged bragged that she couldn't cook and lived off PB+J's everyday. She will be a fat fuck VERY soon (got the bang while still young and thin by the way).

I have no sympathy for fat people aside from the truly infirm.

[Sidney Crosby]

The problem is fat women can still get fucked,pregnant,attention and divorce rape guys.

All of us men should band together and vow to never give a girl north of 15lbs overweight any attention. And not this "healthy weight" shit + 15lbs, I'm talking taking a fit girl and adding 15lbs as the max, for example Genie Bouchard is 5'10 and a little under 130lbs as a pro athlete with some muscle (for a girl), basically no girl should weigh over 150lbs unless they are over 6' tall.

[General Stalin]

It's difficult to find reliable sources among all the bullshit pop-science and sales-pitch hype on fitness and fat loss websites - but metabolism change does not happen in 36 weeks, and even if it does change it may not change much. One can lose fat rapidly by eating a lean and caloric deficit diet, or some sort of fasting scheme, but it will take a lot longer for your body to change how it operates if at all. If once quite literally had a lifestyle change where they ate differently and started to be very active in their everyday life then their body would eventually need to adapt to this new stimulus, but that is not the case for most people as most people don't completely change their lifestyle and not everyone's body works the exact same way.

Saying that people that lost weight over the course of 6 months and put the weight back on later does not directly correlate to "once you're fat your body wants to be fat forever" - though it is likely very difficult to change a metabolism that was developed in your younger formative years.