[TheMaleBrain]

(01-07-2016 06:11 AM)CamelToe Wrote:  

Male Brain I'm not surprised that you are living isolated and have been raised in a world full of propaganda but even by Jewish accounts the population of the Palestine was way higher than 140,000 in 1882.

according to Jewish Virtual library which isn't considered to be unbiased the population was 24,000 Jewish 276,000 Arab in 1882 300,000

Ottoman and British records show higher population of Palestinians which would be a more realistic/unbiased records.
"population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs"


Are you suggesting that Israel currently has good leadership?

Lastly, I would assume that your in-depth understanding of the Middle East comes from all the time you've spent in Arab countries?

CamelToe

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said the current leadership was good.
Quoting myself:

Quote:

We have made our effort to support this notion

As per numbers - found another source is based on this website:

Quote:

in 1878 there were 462,465 subject inhabitants of the Jerusalem, Nablus and Acre districts: 403,795 Muslims (including Druze), 43,659 Christians and 15,011 Jews. In addition, there were perhaps 10,000 Jews with foreign citizenship (recent immigrants to the country) and several thousand Muslim Arab nomads (Bedouin) who were not counted as Ottoman subjects

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My bad, It was 25K Jews. out of ~500K, which some of them are part of Lebanon and Syria (Acre district). So it was 5-8% before the first Alliya.
The 140K refers to Jerusalem district.

[CamelToe]

anyways minus this other discussion.

I read this book about 10 years ago and wasn't impressed. In fact if I remember correctly the author admits to not being an expert in the Middle East. (so why should I read a book where he claims to know this/that) Secondly much of his analysis was shortsighted and he clearly doesn't understand the complexities of society (any society not just the Arab world) by trying to generalize everything into his spectrum/"western understanding"

But I should still assume your analysis of it being a good book is also based on your experiences traveling throughout the Middle East?

[TheMaleBrain]

Have been to Egypt, and Lebanon and have met Arabs in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza.

I find his analysis comprehensive. No one has monopoly on the truth, even myself.
However, this guy makes good points and back them up with data.

We can agree to disagree.
My point is that it adds knowledge to understanding the situation.

If you are ever in Israel again, feel free to drop by. Any RVF member is a friend of mine.

[CamelToe]

I'll pm you next time I have time. I'm usually in WB or Gaza every couple of months

[germanico]

(01-02-2016 02:39 PM)262 Wrote:  

But they do have big brother China, where most of the world's stuff is now made.

China gives two shits about North Korea, they just dont want anyone else meddling in their neighbourhood.

To understand foreign policy and oil interests in the Middle East, read The Prize by Daniel Yergin: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004T4KKSA

He does an amazing job at explaining the history of oil, and thus oil wars, interventionism in the Middle East (or any other oil producing company) and why such countries are kept poor in spite of their huge resources.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-05-2016 01:51 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:33 AM)Traktor Wrote:  

The establishment of the Zionist Jewish settler state of Israel at the expense of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christian and Muslim Arabs and that state's subsequent behaviour has some way to do with Arab grievance towards the West.

You cannot blame said Palestinians for having a massive grudge against the so called state of Israel and demanding the right of return to their lands as stipulated under the Geneva Convention, i.e. international law

Muslims have no right of return to Israel/Palestine, because they themselves are invaders, colonizers, and occupiers of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel/Palestine, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, etc. When Muslims colonists have been removed from all those occupied states, I suppose they can have the "right" to return to Saudi Arabia.

Damn right!! How come no one ever talks about the fact that the Arabs invaded the Persian Empire, forced the Zoroastrians to convert to Islam by sword, and are thereby responsible for the current barbaric Islamic leadership in Iran?!

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

[Byzantium]

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

[Prince of Persia]

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

It's nice to theorize, but we both know that that could never possibly by implemented. I would love to live in a country that wasn't a slave to Israel and that didn't have Zionists running the show and calling the shots from every single industry, but who are we kidding.

Realistically, what we should do is slowly cut off ties with Israel and show them that we can't be their bitch any longer. I can picture McCarthy-esque hearings against American Zionists; they'll be the new Soviet sympathizers, to be mocked as degenerates. The same should be said for Saudi Arabia, the global sponsor of radical jihadist terrorism, as well.

[Alexandrian]

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

[Alexandrian]

(01-08-2016 10:06 AM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

Have been to Egypt, and Lebanon and have met Arabs in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza.

I find his analysis comprehensive. No one has monopoly on the truth, even myself.
However, this guy makes good points and back them up with data.

We can agree to disagree.
My point is that it adds knowledge to understanding the situation.

If you are ever in Israel again, feel free to drop by. Any RVF member is a friend of mine.

There is something I was curious about for years. What is generally the ideal future outcome of the Middle East-conflict according Israeli's? Netanyahu is doing his best to maintain the status quo, but do regular Israeli's support this?

[TheMaleBrain]

Most Israelis would love to have peace, and travel to Arab countries.
Most of us assume that the peace would come (eventually), but we are very worried about our security. We know that there will be exchange of territories to achieve peace (It was offered 2 times in the past in the peace talks of 2000 and 2008).
Netanyahu has the support of about 20% of the people. The Israeli Knesset (Parlament) is very fragmented, and the Likud (Netanyahu's party) has 25% of the seats. So he is the only one able to form a coalition.

Most Israelis, as I'm sure that most people worldwide, want to live their life in peace, raise families and do business.
However we assume that peace is not going to happen in the coming years.

[Alexandrian]

(01-11-2016 06:34 AM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

Most Israelis would love to have peace, and travel to Arab countries.
Most of us assume that the peace would come (eventually), but we are very worried about our security. We know that there will be exchange of territories to achieve peace (It was offered 2 times in the past in the peace talks of 2000 and 2008).
Netanyahu has the support of about 20% of the people. The Israeli Knesset (Parlament) is very fragmented, and the Likud (Netanyahu's party) has 25% of the seats. So he is the only one able to form a coalition.

Most Israelis, as I'm sure that most people worldwide, want to live their life in peace, raise families and do business.
However we assume that peace is not going to happen in the coming years.

I understand.
It's a very tough situation. Both groups are stuck in a vicious cycle. Palestinians attack Israeli's because of bombings and settlement policy, and the Israeli's bomb Palestinians and build settlements because of the Palestinian attacks.

[Pride male]

What are they fighting over? What valuables are in Israel? Sand dunes?

[Prince of Persia]

(01-11-2016 04:18 AM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

[Alexandrian]

(01-11-2016 02:00 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:18 AM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

The genetics of the 'Children of Israel (Quranic: Bani Israil)' is present among the modern populations of Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (Levantine Arabs). The Ashkenazim (zionist) Jews that came from Europe are judaised white Europeans. Probably of Slavic and Germanic ancestry. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Mizrahi jews have some Hebrew Israelite ancestry.

As an Egyptian I claim Egypt as my ancestral land. The Byzantine dude above said that Egyptians need to be expelled to Saudi Arabia just because we are muslim.

The only thing that Islam needs is the eradication of wahhabism, the source of islamic terrorism. The oil-barons from Najd pump millions in the promotion of their sick desert sect. ISIS is based exclusively wahhabi/kharijite. What is worth mentioning is that the British actively supported the wahhabi Saud dynasty from Najd to take over the moderate Hijaz during WW1.

Hezbollah has a different story. They don't care about converting people or slaying infidels. Many Lebanese Christians and Sunni's support Hezbollah. They are just in a political blood feud with Israel.

[Alexandrian]

(01-11-2016 12:06 PM)Pride male Wrote:  

What are they fighting over? What valuables are in Israel? Sand dunes?

Palestinians fight for the land because of their historical and genetic ties to the land.

Israelis fight for the land because their holy book says it's theirs.

[CamelToe]

[/quote]
Palestinians fight for the land because of their historical and genetic ties to the land.

Israelis fight for the land because their holy book says it's theirs.
[/quote]

This is the simplest way of breaking down the Palestinian/Israeli conflict

[Prince of Persia]

(01-11-2016 02:33 PM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 02:00 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:18 AM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 06:30 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

Arabs are tribal and closed-off. Always have been, always will be. There really isn't much else you need to know about the Arab world other than that, IMO. Furthermore, both Israel and the Arab countries need to figure their shit out because each party is at wrong.

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

The genetics of the 'Children of Israel (Quranic: Bani Israil)' is present among the modern populations of Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (Levantine Arabs). The Ashkenazim (zionist) Jews that came from Europe are judaised white Europeans. Probably of Slavic and Germanic ancestry. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Mizrahi jews have some Hebrew Israelite ancestry.

As an Egyptian I claim Egypt as my ancestral land. The Byzantine dude above said that Egyptians need to be expelled to Saudi Arabia just because we are muslim.

The only thing that Islam needs is the eradication of wahhabism, the source of islamic terrorism. The oil-barons from Najd pump millions in the promotion of their sick desert sect. ISIS is based exclusively wahhabi/kharijite. What is worth mentioning is that the British actively supported the wahhabi Saud dynasty from Najd to take over the moderate Hijaz during WW1.

Hezbollah has a different story. They don't care about converting people or slaying infidels. Many Lebanese Christians and Sunni's support Hezbollah. They are just in a political blood feud with Israel.

Amen to that. The Saudis are the REAL enemies and the global sponsor of radical Islam. America needs to wake the fuck up and realize that before we have another Paris attack on our hands. If it were up to me, the royal family would be thrown to the sharks ASAP.

Hezbollah is mostly peaceful, that is true. But they are still attempting to create a Muslim dynasty via Shia Iran and further enclose the distance between church and state, so they are inherently malicious.

[YossariansRight]

   

[All or Nothing]

(01-02-2016 11:21 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

Being an Israeli, I know I may not change your mind, but this is one-sided outlook - and from what I read, you don't strike me as such a person.
Israel "hyper-aggressive, neurotic, deeply dishonest" reputation is partially propaganda, and partially based on years of wars. This does not justify everything, but it is a classical "It's their fault" argument, or "It's my parents fault that I'm BETA/NO-GOOD".
You cannot blame everything on Israel and the West. The arab countries have most of "the blame" on them, as they can choose otherwise, but have failed to most of the time.

If most of the fault is on the Arab countries, what is your defense for neoconservatism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconserv..._economics

Quote:

Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H W Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying themselves as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel, the promotion of democracy in the Middle East, and the buildup of American military forces to achieve these goals. The neocons have influence in the Obama White House, and neoconservatism remains a staple in both parties' arsenal.

Neoconservatives are primarily a Jewish pro-Israel group who influenced both Bush presidencies by advocating an interventionist foreign policy.

The exact foreign policy that took the US into Iraq, destabilized the region, and ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.

[Pride male]

Here in South Africa. Arabs do very well for themselves. They came as slaves but are now a wealthy business minded people.

[Bill]

(01-11-2016 05:38 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 02:33 PM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 02:00 PM)Prince of Persia Wrote:  

(01-11-2016 04:18 AM)Alexandrian Wrote:  

(01-09-2016 07:07 PM)Byzantium Wrote:  

The Muslims are never going to admit to being even partly wrong, other than as tactic to be in better position to make more demands.

The best thing that could be done for peace would be expelling all Muslims form Israel.

For peace between the West and Islam, send all Muslims back to Muslim countries, remove the remaining Christians, don't let Islam expand outwards, and all that aggression gets turned inward upon themselves.

And all Jews get sent back to Israel. Give the Jews more Muslim land even, just as long as they're removed, especially the ones on the Federal Reserve, Supreme Court, etc.

Reply to my other comment.

Expelling Muslims?

Jewish is an ethnicity and religion. Muslim is only a religion. Zionism, therefore, exists because Jews have an ETHNIC claim to their land, as Germans have an ethnic claim to Germany, Poles have an ethnic claim to Poland, etc. Muslims do not have any claims to any land because Muslim is not an ethnicity.

The militant form of Islam that is being used by Hezbollah, ISIS, etc. is (pun intended) radically different than the form of Islam that Joe 6 Pack practices. As Louis XIV once said, "One King, One Law, One Faith"; aka Islam is highly politicized and just used to round people up under a common cause. That being said, Islam definitely needs bottom-up reform a la the Protestant Reformation to expel the terrorists.

The genetics of the 'Children of Israel (Quranic: Bani Israil)' is present among the modern populations of Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria (Levantine Arabs). The Ashkenazim (zionist) Jews that came from Europe are judaised white Europeans. Probably of Slavic and Germanic ancestry. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if Mizrahi jews have some Hebrew Israelite ancestry.

As an Egyptian I claim Egypt as my ancestral land. The Byzantine dude above said that Egyptians need to be expelled to Saudi Arabia just because we are muslim.

The only thing that Islam needs is the eradication of wahhabism, the source of islamic terrorism. The oil-barons from Najd pump millions in the promotion of their sick desert sect. ISIS is based exclusively wahhabi/kharijite. What is worth mentioning is that the British actively supported the wahhabi Saud dynasty from Najd to take over the moderate Hijaz during WW1.

Hezbollah has a different story. They don't care about converting people or slaying infidels. Many Lebanese Christians and Sunni's support Hezbollah. They are just in a political blood feud with Israel.

Amen to that. The Saudis are the REAL enemies and the global sponsor of radical Islam. America needs to wake the fuck up and realize that before we have another Paris attack on our hands. If it were up to me, the royal family would be thrown to the sharks ASAP.

Hezbollah is mostly peaceful, that is true. But they are still attempting to create a Muslim dynasty via Shia Iran and further enclose the distance between church and state, so they are inherently malicious.

There is a longform article about the fundamentalist change in Saudi politics. In started with some 1k fundamentalist fighters took Kaba in Mekka in 1979. As it´s forbidden to fight in Kaba the Royal family needed a Fatwa. They got it but they got blackmailed by the clergy to lead a fundamentalist politic.

[The Beast1]

(01-13-2016 12:23 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 11:21 PM)TheMaleBrain Wrote:  

Being an Israeli, I know I may not change your mind, but this is one-sided outlook - and from what I read, you don't strike me as such a person.
Israel "hyper-aggressive, neurotic, deeply dishonest" reputation is partially propaganda, and partially based on years of wars. This does not justify everything, but it is a classical "It's their fault" argument, or "It's my parents fault that I'm BETA/NO-GOOD".
You cannot blame everything on Israel and the West. The arab countries have most of "the blame" on them, as they can choose otherwise, but have failed to most of the time.

If most of the fault is on the Arab countries, what is your defense for neoconservatism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconserv..._economics

Quote:

Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H W Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying themselves as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel, the promotion of democracy in the Middle East, and the buildup of American military forces to achieve these goals. The neocons have influence in the Obama White House, and neoconservatism remains a staple in both parties' arsenal.

Neoconservatives are primarily a Jewish pro-Israel group who influenced both Bush presidencies by advocating an interventionist foreign policy.

The exact foreign policy that took the US into Iraq, destabilized the region, and ultimately led to the formation of ISIS and the current refugee crisis.

I'll go out on a limb here and say something that has been on my mind in relation to this post.

I've met some really solid Israeli guys and gals as well as some Jewish birthright immigrants who moved to Israel from countries in the west. I only go by my anecdotes because being on the ground beats any "official reports" by a long shot.

However, and I say this as politely as possible, there are some incredibly degenerate people masquerading as Jewish. In fact, it looks like most of these degenerates don't even live in Israel! They live in New York, Los Angeles, and London.

The folks on the ground in Israel really just want to be left alone and do business, but it seems that these degenerates in America and Western Europe are doing their best to not only destabilize the middle east but they also want to surround this tiny nation state with incredibly hostile elements.

If I ever had George Soros tied to a chair, i'd ask him what his reasoning is for replacing the stock of Europe with jewish hating muslims. What exactly does he stand to gain from eliminating the Christian stock of those countries if he is so "pro Israel"? If anything his actions are promoting the opposite of what he really wants. Yet he goes and pulls funding for Femin when they open their Israel chapter.

There are countless examples of this as well and it doesn't help that Jews outside of Israel try and act as this homogenous group and deflect all criticisms against them (even if they're true).

If Israel really wanted to save itself from a potential glassing by Arab states they should begin to identify and shame these elements outside of their country that are actively working against their best interests. Neocons in particular.

From what TheMaleBrain mentioned as well, it seems the political factions in Israel's government are also pretty fragmented as well. Is it safe to say that internally Israel is really a ship with a group of people arguing what to do next at the helm?

Maybe these degenerate elements have control of the helm just barely but if push came to shove they'd be outted in a heart beat if something better came out?

I don't know enough to really make an informed judgement, but right now those in power in America and Western Europe are going to make life for the everyday Israeli incredibly difficult and dangerous.

Edit: Here's another example of degenerates masquarading as jews. I'm trying to find the post the mentioned this guy but i can't find it:

If you look closely on the lower left picture you can see a guy setting to the left of the muslim women. A post here on the forum outted him as a Jewish SJW.

Explain to me, why would he want muslim immigrants running amuck in America and Europe? What exactly does he or Israel gain with a large muslim voting block?

[47R]

This is a good book if you want to understand the arabs and others in middle east:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. (Mind you it was first published in 1903)

[pitt]

Can somebody get me a pdf file? I usually pay for my books and I wanted to buy it on kindle but $18 is too steep for me.