[El Chinito loco]

There is some cosmic irony and perhaps justice in all of this.

An ideology (feminism) created by mostly Jewish Marxists is now being used to influence young American women to sign up for combat and die for neocon war policies heavily influenced by the Jewish state of Israel.

[Basil Ransom]

K"We're talking elite units. SEALs, Delta Force, and foreign groups such as the SAS, JTF2 etc. will never lower standards, these guys are literally the best of the best, they will not allow for sub-standard performance. These groups deal with hostage situations, with counter terrorism that isn't even spoke about publicly."

So they'll toy around with the secret service, the service tasked with protecting the president, but not some elite troops with comparatively less responsibility?

No, that is wrong. There is no point at which they say, "ok guys, this feminism thing has gone far enough, if we do any more we'll shoot ourselves in the foot." Until at least female equality, if not outright supremacy, is achieved, society's institutions will be under constant, growing pressure to put more women in positions of power and prestige. There is no one at the top saying "okay, this is too sensitive to ever screw up with our feminist machinations." At most they will just delay. You broadcast your own line of bullshit long enough, you'll act on it, even if you know in your heart of hearts it will lead to failure.

Today's radical will pick up where yesterday's left off. Yesterday's summit is today's ground floor. So no matter how much "progress" is made - i.e. no matter how many more women we put in combat, it's not enough until we reach 50% at least, because these radicals have no historical memory, of the struggle and "success" of getting a combat force that is 5%, 10% female. There's always a new busload of radicals arriving set on achieving utopia, impatient with the inadequate results of their predecessors. This is another example of Year Zero thinking and action.

You talk about sub-standard as if there is some standard set in stone. But we all know these things are fungible, and will be altered until the proper results are obtained.

[rpg]

(05-31-2015 03:17 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 03:08 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I love when nature turns political correctness on its ass:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../28179303/

Quote:

All eight women vying to become the first female Army Rangers failed to complete the requirements to go on to the next phase of the grueling course, the Army said.

The women were admitted to the two-month class as part of a broader effort by the Pentagon to lift the ban on female soldiers serving in "ground combat" jobs, such as the infantry.

Women fighting in elite forces like men is a joke.

This result is unacceptable. The pressure to put women in combat will not relent. It will only increase with time, across political administrations.

The unstoppable force of feminism will meet with the immovable force of military fitness standards. And the fitness standards will give way. If generals need to be sacked for standards to be diluted, so be it. Generals already kowtow to politicians against good sense already. Once the generals are on board, they will ramrod women in combat down through the military hierarchy.

Naturally, the military will opt to conceal how standards are relaxed. Instead of a hard and fast requirement like "20 pullups," a different, easier course will be arranged, for women, while the military will deny that it is any easier. Women will have easier assignments once in the field, generally, lest the female corpses pile up and prove the naysayers right. The media and the chattering classes meanwhile will condemn anyone who so much as hints that female combat soldiers accomplish less than their male peers counterparts, because there won't be good evidence available to the public to prove it. It will all just get swept under the rug.

Kara Hultgreen crashed her plane and died, as a Navy pilot. Initially, the Navy claimed it was not pilot error, because Hultgreen was the first female Navy fighter pilot, and that would not make the prospect of female fighter pilots look good. Later, reports came out that the Navy deliberately lied and covered up the fact that the crash was the pilot's error. From Wikipedia, "An Accuracy in Media report quotes Cmdr Tom Sobiek, commanding officer of Fighter Squadron VF-124, as saying of the 4 female pilots in his squadron that "the women are going to graduate regardless of how they performed" and reports that "the Navy was in a race with the Air Force to get the first female fighter pilot".[7]" The biggest loser here, obviously was Kara Hultgreen. And the same is true of the future female combatants, most of whom will probably be pressured into their positions, and not go into it entirely willfully.

But, I expect, it won't happen like it did with Hultgreen. The military will hesitate to create another such debacle, and will simply put women in less risky situations to begin with.

The war is Iraq was telling. I was watching a documentary about the kick off and they went over the private Lynch incident. He girlfriend got killed, she got injured and captured after not firing her weapon. She said it was jammed due to sand. How did it get full of sand when she was in the truck? The white knighting to save her put huge numbers of soldiers at risk. Bottom line is her and her girlfriends were in NO WAY ready for a real combat scenario and put many other lives in danger. In contrast the chopper pilots that were captured were prepared to die regardless of their rescue possibility.

[The_CEO]

maybe they will be on stand by until they are needed for something like this:

[Truth Teller]

I'm very supportive of this "women in combat roles" thing. It stops giving women an excuse to not register for the draft.

True equality means that Ms. Privileged White Sorority Girl has the same risk as I do of being drafted and shot/shelled/blown up/sacrificed on the altar of "equality."

[Unfadable]

(05-31-2015 07:38 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Actually, I'm amazed that any of the cadre dared fail them. The Army these days is more likely to inflate their grades to make sure they pass rather than admit a mistake.

When it comes to the RI's at Ranger School, I don't agree with this, at least for now. They are a pretty tight knit group, and being tabbed is borderline sacred. I would be surprised if a female made it through all of the phases and wasn't peered out, for a while at least. Eventually the pressure from 'above' will be too much and it will happen though.

[Foolsgo1d]

Let them have combat roles.

As soon as the bodies start hitting the floor and don't stop because the enemy simply doesn't roll over and play dead for some sort of freedom then they will see the true idiocy of their ways.

A nation will mourn its dead male troops and then forget. A nation will suffer greatly when a high number of women are taken away. Just look at history and even now. Nobody gives a shit about men joining Boko Haram/IS nor when they are kidnapped en-mass to be used as slaves or leverage.

But when a few hundred girls are taken? When a sect of people are threatened with extinction and sex slavery to give birth to the next generation of Islamic Militants? When women go to join these two entities?

The whole world goes ape shit.

I'd like to see Russian troops parading US female soldiers and see how that hits the psyche of the US population. Something much worse than the beheadings of American contractors in Iraq may occur.

[Parlay44]

I don't see what the problem is. Most countries have female soldiers. Maybe because our American girls are fat and lazy

[Easy_C]

(06-01-2015 12:27 AM)Unfadable Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 07:38 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Actually, I'm amazed that any of the cadre dared fail them. The Army these days is more likely to inflate their grades to make sure they pass rather than admit a mistake.

When it comes to the RI's at Ranger School, I don't agree with this, at least for now. They are a pretty tight knit group, and being tabbed is borderline sacred. I would be surprised if a female made it through all of the phases and wasn't peered out, for a while at least. Eventually the pressure from 'above' will be too much and it will happen though.

I'm not a ranger, but I went to school a few miles away from Ranger school and most of my cadre were. Consequently I'm well aware of how sacred it's viewed....and I also know that the people who decided on this gender equality experience were well aware of that, so I aniticipated that the pressure on them to make the women pass would probably be immense to include vague threats that them not passing would result in career ending OER.

[TheFinalEpic]

(05-31-2015 10:10 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

K"We're talking elite units. SEALs, Delta Force, and foreign groups such as the SAS, JTF2 etc. will never lower standards, these guys are literally the best of the best, they will not allow for sub-standard performance. These groups deal with hostage situations, with counter terrorism that isn't even spoke about publicly."

So they'll toy around with the secret service, the service tasked with protecting the president, but not some elite troops with comparatively less responsibility?

No, that is wrong. There is no point at which they say, "ok guys, this feminism thing has gone far enough, if we do any more we'll shoot ourselves in the foot." Until at least female equality, if not outright supremacy, is achieved, society's institutions will be under constant, growing pressure to put more women in positions of power and prestige. There is no one at the top saying "okay, this is too sensitive to ever screw up with our feminist machinations." At most they will just delay. You broadcast your own line of bullshit long enough, you'll act on it, even if you know in your heart of hearts it will lead to failure.

Today's radical will pick up where yesterday's left off. Yesterday's summit is today's ground floor. So no matter how much "progress" is made - i.e. no matter how many more women we put in combat, it's not enough until we reach 50% at least, because these radicals have no historical memory, of the struggle and "success" of getting a combat force that is 5%, 10% female. There's always a new busload of radicals arriving set on achieving utopia, impatient with the inadequate results of their predecessors. This is another example of Year Zero thinking and action.

You talk about sub-standard as if there is some standard set in stone. But we all know these things are fungible, and will be altered until the proper results are obtained.

Do you understand the concept of breaching a door? Perhaps have seen the video of a woman throwing a grenade? Here's a chart of the physical standards for JTF2, since I'm from Canada, just for reference:



Realize that level 6 is just the "get-by" standard and that these men are competing for position. Also realize that graduates of these programs are selected by the instructors for their ability to fit in with the teams, to be a team player. These guys don't want to lose their lives because some woman is holding the rest of the group back. Physically, only the elite of men can get into service, and with years of dedicated training. Watch a documentary on the BUDs initiatory camp. The weak get picked off like fish in a barrel.

What I posted in the picture; that's the fitness check.

If you want max score, here's what you have to get on the pre-selection fitness test:

1.5 mile < 7:41
78+ continuous pushups
78+ situps within 60 seconds
24+ continuous pullups
160kg+ 1RM bench press

No woman is hitting any of those standards. Except elite athletes that as said before would rather be at the Olympics than fighting some war (think bobsledders or sprinters, Olympic weightlifters maybe)

Sport will always be based on merit. So will the elite military units of this world.

[Renzy]

(05-31-2015 10:10 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

K"We're talking elite units. SEALs, Delta Force, and foreign groups such as the SAS, JTF2 etc. will never lower standards, these guys are literally the best of the best, they will not allow for sub-standard performance. These groups deal with hostage situations, with counter terrorism that isn't even spoke about publicly."

So they'll toy around with the secret service, the service tasked with protecting the president, but not some elite troops with comparatively less responsibility?

No, that is wrong. There is no point at which they say, "ok guys, this feminism thing has gone far enough, if we do any more we'll shoot ourselves in the foot." Until at least female equality, if not outright supremacy, is achieved, society's institutions will be under constant, growing pressure to put more women in positions of power and prestige. There is no one at the top saying "okay, this is too sensitive to ever screw up with our feminist machinations." At most they will just delay. You broadcast your own line of bullshit long enough, you'll act on it, even if you know in your heart of hearts it will lead to failure.

Today's radical will pick up where yesterday's left off. Yesterday's summit is today's ground floor. So no matter how much "progress" is made - i.e. no matter how many more women we put in combat, it's not enough until we reach 50% at least, because these radicals have no historical memory, of the struggle and "success" of getting a combat force that is 5%, 10% female. There's always a new busload of radicals arriving set on achieving utopia, impatient with the inadequate results of their predecessors. This is another example of Year Zero thinking and action.

You talk about sub-standard as if there is some standard set in stone. But we all know these things are fungible, and will be altered until the proper results are obtained.

We should set up a betting pool because I think BR is right. I am certain that standards will be lowered. They've already hinted that's coming down the pike:

“If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary: Why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?” - General Dempsey

Firefighters, the police force, Annapolis, West Point, The Citadel, VMI...you name it, feminists bat a 1000 when it comes to forcing institutions to let women in and if the standards are too high then the standards will change. It might take longer, but they'll cave just like everyone else.

[Basil Ransom]

"Firefighters, the police force, Annapolis, West Point, The Citadel, VMI...you name it, feminists bat a 1000 when it comes to forcing institutions to let women in and if the standards are too high then the standards will change. It might take longer, but they'll cave just like everyone else."

Exactly. Feminism is the water, institutions are the stone. The water always wind in the end.

And I wouldn't say it's the work of feminists per se, as if feminists are this specific discrete group working towards this goal - nearly everyone in power is a feminist.

"No woman is hitting any of those standards."

Then the standards will be changed, as they have countless times before. The elite shall fall just as the rank and file have.

[Samseau]

You can change the army but you cannot change the Truth. A military full of faggots and women won't be a threat to anyone, domestic or foreign. Later on in this century when different parts of the USA are taking matters into their own hands, the Federal Military will be too big a pile of dogshit to effectively stop anyone from rebelling.

[TheFinalEpic]

(06-01-2015 10:01 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

"Firefighters, the police force, Annapolis, West Point, The Citadel, VMI...you name it, feminists bat a 1000 when it comes to forcing institutions to let women in and if the standards are too high then the standards will change. It might take longer, but they'll cave just like everyone else."

Exactly. Feminism is the water, institutions are the stone. The water always wind in the end.

And I wouldn't say it's the work of feminists per se, as if feminists are this specific discrete group working towards this goal - nearly everyone in power is a feminist.

"No woman is hitting any of those standards."

Then the standards will be changed, as they have countless times before. The elite shall fall just as the rank and file have.

http://www.defenseone.com/management/201...rs/110230/

I don't think most men are meeting the standards set by elite groups. These programs have between a 85 and 90% drop out rate. The standards have never been changed for the SEALs, and have gotten harder since 9/11. These standards are set based on scientific fact of what is necessary of these men under combat situations and as I stated previously, are significantly mental as well as physical.

[TheFinalEpic]

(06-01-2015 10:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You can change the army but you cannot change the Truth. A military full of faggots and women won't be a threat to anyone, domestic or foreign. Later on in this century when different parts of the USA are taking matters into their own hands, the Federal Military will be too big a pile of dogshit to effectively stop anyone from rebelling.

Then we get what we want. I don't see the issue.

If they cannot quell a rebellion, conceptualize a PMC, take over the state.

It won't ever happen, the US military spends more than the next 7 countries combined, but maybe that'll change when Hillary comes into power.

[Samseau]

(06-01-2015 10:38 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 10:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You can change the army but you cannot change the Truth. A military full of faggots and women won't be a threat to anyone, domestic or foreign. Later on in this century when different parts of the USA are taking matters into their own hands, the Federal Military will be too big a pile of dogshit to effectively stop anyone from rebelling.

Then we get what we want. I don't see the issue.

If they cannot quell a rebellion, conceptualize a PMC, take over the state.

It won't ever happen, the US military spends more than the next 7 countries combined, but maybe that'll change when Hillary comes into power.

It's already happening. All that spending is comes from debt, remember. Somewhere around half of US Tax revenues is from actual taxes. And if the US Gov loses it's ability to finance itself through debt, that will mean the rest of our economy is fucked which means the tax base will take an ass-pounding. In other words, when the US Gov loses it's ability to take on unlimited debt it will happen at the same time there will be a serious tax-base decrease. By that time the military will be a bunch of fags and fag hags. Good luck restoring the US military from that state of affairs, especially with no money.

[Basil Ransom]

"These standards are set based on scientific fact of what is necessary of these men under combat situations and as I stated previously, are significantly mental as well as physical."

You could say the same of the military at large. Yet the military has different standards for men and women.

You're looking at it like it's this engineering that must be solved with the correct solution. Your conceit is that the leadership thinks just like you do. But the people in power don't really care about getting things right - they'd rather things be "just" - as in attaining equal numbers of men and women in elite units. Better to be just and fail than to be unjust and succeed with a male force.

[TheFinalEpic]

(06-01-2015 10:50 AM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

"These standards are set based on scientific fact of what is necessary of these men under combat situations and as I stated previously, are significantly mental as well as physical."

You could say the same of the military at large. Yet the military has different standards for men and women.

You're looking at it like it's this engineering that must be solved with the correct solution. Your conceit is that the leadership thinks just like you do. But the people in power don't really care about getting things right - they'd rather things be "just" - as in attaining equal numbers of men and women in elite units. Better to be just and fail than to be unjust and succeed with a male force.

I suggest moving to Canada then, because JTF2 will always be an all male force Again, lowering of standards is the definition of "not elite". It's like a tryout my man, its not a simple pass or fail, you may be good, but you can still be cut. Its just like any elite sports team. They have 100 kids come try out, they cut down to a 19 man roster. They take the best of the best. Guess what happens to females in heavy athletic (and in this case; military) pursuits? Their bodies crack, their joints aren't made for it. They break. They won't ever see war in an elite group, they'll be sidelined with injury. Don't worry.

You forget that more and more of the military is going the way of the robot, of the technologically advanced. Was it not Sun Tzu that said "outwit your enemy with your mind". Maybe America is doing just that and mind fucking everyone by putting females into combat?

[Soothesayer]

This whole ordeal is even more disgraceful than when that ex-Navy SEAL/psycho came out as a tranny. It isn't just the physical demands that will sink the teams, but the inability for females to hold their tongues. Women talk back. A LOT. They're far more mercenary than men in this regard. Putting aside the fact her period will be drawing flies around 19-25 year old men who are eye-fucking her 24/7 on a mission, the other fact is that women won't/can't tolerate the ass-chewing they'll get which is FAR higher in elite training than your basic boot camp scenario since their is no room for disobedience in special ops.

Watch any documentary on BUD/S training. Those candidates take verbal abuse from their instructors like no other. Mindfuck is being too kind. SEAL trainees constantly get fucked with: Tying knots underwater that the instructors love to dismantle while saying "you fucked up, try again" when it was perfect to begin with. Ranger school is no different.

America is being rotted from the inside. This whole mess started with two things: Feminism and kicking God out of the schools.

[LeeEnfield303]

(05-31-2015 11:44 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  

I'm very supportive of this "women in combat roles" thing. It stops giving women an excuse to not register for the draft.

True equality means that Ms. Privileged White Sorority Girl has the same risk as I do of being drafted and shot/shelled/blown up/sacrificed on the altar of "equality."

But we all know there's never true equality..for that is not their goal....women will take the advantages of service and avoid the disadvantages. Actual equality is inimical to their efforts.

My earlier comment about Dover was more along the thought that the, oh, 0.000000000001% of women who would actually volunteer for these units (there are always some) might learn their lesson. Doubtful, though.

Under what circumstances would a typical whitebread, Starbucks-sippin, Ugg boot-wearing, prog-bullshit-spouting airhead be found in a combat unit?

Islamic State regiments could literally be pounding on the White House gates, and women will still not be drafted. The concept is simply inconceivable in this society.

[Deepdiver]

I am a former Nuclear Submarine Qualified Combat Systems Expert. I was trained by a US Navy seal with two Mekong combat tours. A good friend is a retired E9 Master Chief from ST6. The idea that females have the requisite upper body strength, cold water body mass and mental acuity under combat stress is laughable - the SEALS main training takes place in water temperatures that keep you near hypothermic to see if you have the power of mind over matter to make accurate combat choices and complete tasks under combat conditions... one exercise is high speed RIB retrieval with a large black rubber ring - you hook your arm into the ring as the boat speeds by - it stretches and when it snaps back you use your upper body strength to pull yourself into the RIB (Rigid Inflatable Boat) - this retrieval/escape maneuver is conducted at high speed normally will under hostile fire - this can not be modified like dropping a 100 lb combat pack down to 35 lbs - you either have the upper body strength or you do not... It is no joke without the proper upper body strength shoulder separation - a career ending injury is a likely result for the weak metro sexuals and delusional females. Just like fire department training you can either go up a ladder and bring down a full grown injured firefighter on your shoulder or you can not... same goes for elite military... just like most fire departments the women are allowed to work in support roles... EMTs/Helo Nurses etc but elite Alpha Prime special forces combat units - behind the lines support roles for females only - if that.

Fact is they are now building all new nuke boats with separate male female berthing so the snowflakes will not have to hot rack... I still managed to find several places to bang my GFs abord the boat while in port - was less like going to a motel and more like a quickie - she would put her panties in her pocketbook and we would find a quiet nook (fan room was great drowned out any noise) unzip it and bang, bang, bang - she would call the next day and "complain" about how much cum was running down her thighs and then come over to my apartment the next evening for more. Point is Submariners are all Alpha men - SEALS and Green Berets, Rangers and Recon are all Alpha Prime men - bitches and even dikes genetically and subconsciously crave alpha men - the over riding fact is primal biology will always overcome politics. When I was in my Alpha Prime stage all it took was one look, one dance and wham bam thank you m'am. You gotta dance dance dance to get in their pants... The more attractive the ladies were the more they became mesmerized by any alpha primes in proximity.

The only good thing and silver lining is these females will provide strong breeding stock for more future Alphas as most of them that are single and many married become pregnant on extended 9 to 12 month ocean deployments - even the fem dikes bang with prolonged exposure around so much genetically pure alpha testosterone. Therefore rape is almost never an issue with women who both consciously and subconsciously can not repress their biological imperative. So in fact there is a silver lining as most will breed with one or more Alpha Primes and immediately want to nest remaining in port while raising their alpha prime seed trophy children.

The other men's wives do threaten to divorce their husbands or force them to take civilian jobs if the Navy sent females to sea with their men on extended submarine deployments - we used to joke that we would love women to go to sea with us - there are only so many places on a nuke boat they can hide and we knew them all! So irony is normal women (wives) will have a real negative impact on retention rates long term and retention rates are a key metric of the best Commanders.

The females who are truly mentally ill gung ho dikes who being ill and delusional think they are remotely capable of leading Alpha Prime males into combat often with a propensity to volunteer for suicide missions - our predecessor fathers, uncles and brothers at arms developed a solution long ago for suicidal types that could not contain their egos and would try to volunteer them for suicide missions - no one will talk about it except in small tight knight groups over a few cold beers - yes it is a 100% effective deterrent...

There you have it - problem - solution A and solution B.

Remember Alpha Prime bang rule 1; it is always easier to get forgiveness than permission.

Always give her the condom and tell her to put it on and then tell her get on top and put it in to begin the first time - put off any raw dawging until date two or three when you can confirm they are on the pill swallowing it before you get into bed - when they are willing and eager it is consensual - only way you can get in trouble then is if she is under 18.

[Quintus Curtius]

^^^^

Some serious words of truth right here.

Well said.

[sixsix]

One simple solution:

Deploy men-only and women-only units.

The party line is an obvious lie so hang them with it. The women will be just as capable as the men, and they won't prove to be a burden at all. No need for the men to pick up their slack since they are equal. Fine, let's roll with that.

Send units to combat with only women. That way there's a zero percent change of sexual assault and micro-aggressions. Let them fight against ultra-violent barbarians without the safeguard of male colleagues with their built-in white knight tendencies. Men behave differently towards women. It's innate and it's emotionally hard-wired. We can't let females of the species die.

So segregate. And then the cost of female mistakes are for themselves. Have you ever seen a woman self-sacrifice for someone but their own child? No, they cry for the help of men.

[T and A Man]

Deploy women my ass.

The greatest flaw in putting women in harms way is the psychological impact it has on men, countless studies have been done on this. It relates to genetic disposability.

A man can see another man with half his head blown and can dismiss it much more easily than if he sees the same of a woman. He is also more inclined to go against mission paramaters if a wounded colleague is a woman than a man. i.e. do something stupid, or jeopardise a mission to save her.

There is no way about is, a man who is deployed in combat, has his fighting ability impaired when females are around.

Now I get the fact that some may see 'sexism' as an issue to be dealt with, and from an evolutionary point of view, issues such as disposibility and genetic disparity may no longer be an issue with social engineering no longer necessitating these as beneficial adaptive matters. But let that arise in civilian society first, and dont use martial institutes as another example.

However, this is not now. To stick women in combat, when it impairs males, meaning they will die more, is reprehensible.

Business, perhaps. But combat is not a fucking vocation. It's not something you do between 9 to 5 and benchmark your performance. It's a matter of life and death, conducted in shitty environments. If a society deems this becomes a vocational statement, that society is lost in my mind.

It can be lost by its military being routed.
It can be lost by its cities and industrial capacity bombed into submission.
It can be lost by its SLOC being cut off and the socirty starved.
It can be lost by internal political unrest.

Or, lost by have a mindset that its ok to have women in combat positions.

Any society that willfully goes out and increases the chances its men are harmed, just to make a political statement, doesn't deserve to be defended.

If the womynz and the fags want to fight, then fuck, let them ALONE fight it. Next war, the queers and chicks can fight it, time to sit this one out guys.

[It_is_my_time]

T and A Man, I remember reading a few years back on this subject about the impact it would have on male soldiers and the overall confusion it would cause the units.

If the women want in combat roles, that is fine. Stick them in female only units and watch them fail miserably. But at least the will fail without causing men as much conflict as if they were in mixed company.