[porscheguy]

(08-28-2015 12:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Watched it last night.

One thing I don't understand... Eazy-E was embarrassed to rap in the booth in front of others and then when they all left he couldn't even catch a simple beat like that. That allegedly very charismatic rapper and lead voice in the group??

Say whaaat??!!

In the movie he looked like he's never rapped before that moment when Dre played "boyz in the hood" beat. I have no idea what that was all about.

Eazy never really intended to be a rapper. He wanted to run the business end of it.

You'll notice that after he got that first line down, Dre mentioned "now we've only got 59 more lines to go." Jerry Heller's book essentially said the same thing. They had to walk Eazy through every single line. Eventually that wasn't a problem, but early on, that's what they had to do.

[BallsDeep]

Since we don't believe that straight, non-IV men can get HIV on this forum, how did Eazy get it? Was he a drug-user?

[Quintus Curtius]

(08-28-2015 09:20 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

Since we don't believe that straight, non-IV men can get HIV on this forum, how did Eazy get it? Was he a drug-user?

Good question, and that's one that has never been entirely explained. The police never looked into it, and no detailed autopsy was ever done.

According to Jerry Heller's interviews, he doesn't rule out the possibility that someone may have injected him with something. I'll leave it up to you to figure out who this may have been, but it's not hard to find out.

There is absolutely zero evidence he was gay. I suppose he could have gotten it from having unprotected sex with hundreds and hundreds of hoes, but the odds are against it.

[Stay]

He was likely fucking hoes up the ass who were also drug users plus a lot of the men they go through likely had been in prison.

After gays that section of the population is likely most at risk.

[ElJefe1]

Wait a minute exaggeration???? It's amazing to me people think the police don't do that type of shit every single day of the week... I'll tell you what be black, young, and male your disbelief will evaporate real quick.

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

(08-28-2015 10:23 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:20 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

Since we don't believe that straight, non-IV men can get HIV on this forum, how did Eazy get it? Was he a drug-user?

Good question, and that's one that has never been entirely explained. The police never looked into it, and no detailed autopsy was ever done.

According to Jerry Heller's interviews, he doesn't rule out the possibility that someone may have injected him with something. I'll leave it up to you to figure out who this may have been, but it's not hard to find out.

There is absolutely zero evidence he was gay. I suppose he could have gotten it from having unprotected sex with hundreds and hundreds of hoes, but the odds are against it.

This is one case where the conspiracy theory makes more sense than reality. It takes at least 8 years to die from HIV. He apparently died a month after first going to the hospital. He was married (or with) Tomica for 4 years, but her and his daughter don't have the virus? I know someone who worked with AIDS patients and she said it was common for gay men to pass it on their wives. I'm not trying to say he's gay, but that she's either one of the luckiest women alive, or he didn't the virus that long.

[BallsDeep]

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So what if Suge Knight managed to find someone with a high viral load, collect their blood and stick Eazy with a needle?

“Needle sticks are an extremely difficult way to get HIV,” Goforth said. “They’ve got good data because of health-care workers like myself being stuck by needles by people that are known to be HIV-positive. So a needle stick itself, if the blood is known to be HIV-positive, it’s about a third of a percent chance of getting HIV from a needle stick. But that’s really different from sharing injection drug needles where you’re actually injecting a decent volume of the other person’s blood into you. That’s different than a stick.”

So did Suge Knight kill Eazy-E via HIV injection? It’s highly unlikely given the timeline of their studio confrontation and the visible progression Eazy’s illness. It’s far more likely that Knight was happy to insinuate that he had something to do with Eazy’s death because it would bolster his image as the Voldemort of West Coast rap.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/styl...-unlikely/

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

I thought the scene was funny, where they all listen to "No Vaseline" for the first time and Jerry Heller goes off calling Ice Cube an anti-Semite and going to call the JDL. I remember when I first heard that song, it was on "Death Rows Greatest Hits" and the word "jew" is edited out twice. I could never figure out what words could be so offensive on a CD like that, that it would have to be edited out. I was kind of surprised when I later heard the unedited version on youtube.

[blck]

(08-28-2015 10:23 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:20 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

Since we don't believe that straight, non-IV men can get HIV on this forum, how did Eazy get it? Was he a drug-user?

Good question, and that's one that has never been entirely explained. The police never looked into it, and no detailed autopsy was ever done.

According to Jerry Heller's interviews, he doesn't rule out the possibility that someone may have injected him with something. I'll leave it up to you to figure out who this may have been, but it's not hard to find out.

There is absolutely zero evidence he was gay. I suppose he could have gotten it from having unprotected sex with hundreds and hundreds of hoes, but the odds are against it.

Is suge knight smart enough to think about taking some infected blood and inject it to Eazy E ?

Make your own opinion

Did the Republicans tried to recruit Eazy E to be a part of some propaganda since his music was listen to by millions of peoples (black and white) ? I don't have the answer but maybe the HIV part got something bigger behind it

It's not that I believe in conspiracy but if the guy was not part of they better made him out of it

That's my 0.02c

[El Chinito loco]

As a person who grew up in early 90's socal I was glad that they got the atmosphere right.

Here's a hilarious eazy-e interview.

Look at eazy's expression and chuckle when WB reporter girl repeats the lyrics. I wonder if he tried to fuck her.

[Brian Shima]

I watched it again and wish Yella and Ren had more say in how everything happened..it was heavily focused on Dre and Ice Cube and made them look a lot better than they really were. Neither even went to Eazy E's funeral to give you an idea..Suge Knight was hilarious. Eazy was not broke before he died like portrayed. Is the Blu Ray released extended? I've only seen Theatrical Version..

Good but it should of had the little guys who helped them get started, even if it was a minute scene..

[Teedub]

I enjoyed the movie, but considering Dre and Cube were both Exec Producers, it was basically an ego piece.

[Quintus Curtius]

I read Jerry Heller's book "Ruthless" last year. I also saw this movie.

All I can say is that there are a lot of contradictions in how certain events are portrayed. I believe Jerry Heller's version of certain events more than Ice Cube's.

The movie made it out like Jerry Heller was some sort of bad guy, like he was some sort of evil Svengali. I don't buy that. I don't think this is accurate. The movie also misrepresented the personal dynamics between the group members. There was a lot of sugar-coating, selective memories, and glossing over of certain things.

But that's how it is. It's the winners who write the history books. Easy-E and Jerry Heller were the guys who got the Ruthless Records started. But Easy-E is dead now, and so his voice is not heard. Heller has been shunted aside.

Ice Cube was a brilliant lyricist, no doubt. And Dre was the greatest producer of his generation, bar none. But I think the movie plays havoc with the facts. Or at least that's how I see it, based on what I've seen in interviews, documentaries, and reading Jerry's book.

What's even more disappointing is that Ice Cube and Dre never even asked Easy-E's son to audition for any role.

That to me is just not right.

.

[2Wycked]

Jeller Heller Dies At 75

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Jerry Heller, N.W.A’s controversial original manager and a music industry veteran, died of a heart attack Friday evening at Los Robles Hospital in Thousand Oaks, Calif., his cousin Gary Ballen confirmed to Billboard. He was 75.

Former N.W.A Manager Jerry Heller's Death: The Music Industry Reacts

Heller was already in his mid-40s when he paired with aspiring rap mogul, N.W.A’s Eazy-E, and Eazy’s label Ruthless Records. An unlikely booster of gangsta rap, Heller’s efforts helped N.W.A make hardcore hip-hop popular around the world. Outspoken and litigious, he sued the makers of the 2015 hit biopic Straight Outta Compton and was the subject of numerous dis songs and videos. After rapper Ice Cube left N.W.A he famously suggested in his 1991 track “No Vaseline” that the remaining group members, “Get rid of that devil real simple / Put a bullet in his temple.”

Billboard Cover: Kendrick Lamar Interviews N.W.A About Coming 'Straight Outta Compton' and Changing the World

Raised in Shaker Heights, Cleveland, Heller said he faced strong anti-Semitism growing up, and that his father, the owner of a scrap metal business, spent time with the Jewish mob. Heller enlisted in the Army and after being discharged earned a business degree from the University of Southern California. During the ‘60s and ‘70s, he served as an agent for artists including Creedence Clearwater Revival and Marvin Gaye, and promoted Pink Floyd, Elton John, and Kraftwerk on their first U.S. tours. His fortunes later declined, however, and by the mid-‘80s he was living with his parents in Encino, California.

Heller’s second act came by way of the emerging L.A. hip-hop scene, then largely based around a Hollywood record plant and label called Macola. Tipped off by his friend Morey Alexander, a music manager, Heller began hanging out at Macola and introducing himself to the artists. He became the manager of acts including World Class Wreckin’ Cru and C.I.A., the first groups of Dr. Dre and Ice Cube, respectively. But his greatest pairing was with Eazy-E, aka Eric Wright, a diminutive Compton drug dealer looking to go straight. Wright famously paid World Class Wreckin’ Cru leader Alonzo Williams for an introduction to Heller, who he believed could take Ruthless Records to the next level.

Heller invested money in Ruthless and became the manager of many of the label’s rap and R&B acts, and in the wake of N.W.A’s unprecedented success with gangsta rap -- driven by singles like “F--- Tha Police” and vividly portrayed in the Straight Outta Compton film – the label had a long hot streak from the late ‘80s to the mid-‘90s. Ruthless artists J.J. Fad, Michel’le, the D.O.C., and Bone Thugs-n-Harmony all went gold or platinum -- as did solo efforts from Eazy-E -- and by 1995 Ruthless “was bringing in millions per month,” Heller claimed in his 2006 memoir Ruthless. He also had a personal relationship with his artists, acting as a father figure to Eazy and others. “Eazy loved his dad, but they didn’t communicate a lot,” said Eazy’s assistant Charis Henry. “[Eazy] would say, ‘Jerry’s like a dad to me.’”

'Straight Outta Compton' & Into the Rock Hall: N.W.A's 10 Best Songs, Ranked

“Jerry had the undeniable gift of gab,” said rapper CPO Boss Hogg, who was managed by Heller and N.W.A member MC Ren. “Whenever I had a problem with something relating to this business, he was lickety split with the perfect words to set my mind at ease.”

“I learned a lot about the business of music from him,” said Ruthless producer Rhythm D. “Every bank, restaurant, and studio respected me when I walked in because they saw me with him.”

Heller nonetheless clashed with many of his artists. N.W.A’s iconoclastic lyricist Ice Cube left the group following their seismic 1988 debut, claiming that he hadn’t been paid properly. The group’s main producer Dr. Dre left after their 1991 follow-up Efil4zaggin, amid similar complaints. Neither sued, Heller was never found guilty of financial impropriety, and he was strongly backed during these years by Eazy-E. “People callin’ me, askin’ me, ‘Why you got a white man as your manager?’ ” Eazy told Rap Pages at the time. “It’s like, when I was lookin’ for a manager, I closed my fuckin’ eyes and I said, ‘I want the best.’ Jerry happened to be the best.”

'Straight Outta Compton' Becomes Highest-Grossing Movie From African-American Director

Heller and Eazy later weathered an uneasy dispute with Dre’s new label Death Row Records and its notoriously violent co-founder Suge Knight. Eazy claimed that Knight and other men threatened him with baseball bats, and Heller said he installed a new security system and bought guns out of fear of attack from Knight.

Eazy-E passed in 1995 from AIDS. Not long before his death, after about eight years of partnership, he fired Heller. “I don’t believe he was in his right mind when he did that,” Heller said in 2014 for this writer’s book Original Gangstas: The Untold Story of Dr. Dre, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, Tupac Shakur, and the Birth of West Coast Rap, due out Sept. 13. Some Ruthless artists believed Eazy fired him because he’d misappropriated label funds. “What I was told from Eazy -- from his mouth -- is that Jerry Heller put him $2 million into debt, and that’s why he was done,” said a ghostwriter for Eazy named Dirty Red. Others close to the situation strongly disagreed. “He never told me Jerry was stealing from him. He always told me he knew where his money was,” said Eazy’s assistant Charis Henry.

Heller himself denied all wrongdoing. Following Eazy’s death, his widow Tomica Woods-Wright and Heller sued each other over financial matters surrounding Ruthless, finally settling out of court in 1999 and agreeing to a non-disparagement clause. In October 2015, shortly after Straight Outta Compton was released, Heller filed a defamation lawsuit based on what he fel was an unfair portrayal in the film, which depicts Woods-Wright going through Ruthless documents and searching for evidence of wrongdoing by Heller, who was played by Paul Giamatti. He also claimed he was not compensated for the use of his likeness. In June 2016 a U.S. District judge dismissed all of Heller's lawsuit except for one claim, which was allowed to continue.

In April 2016, N.W.A were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

In the years following his departure from Ruthless, Heller was involved with a number of ventures, including co-founding a label called Hit a Lick Records, which featured Latino rap acts. He married and got divorced from a much-younger woman named Gayle Steiner -- a real estate agent in Calabasas, Calif. -- and said he was talking with director Jim Sheridan (8 Mile) about adapting his memoir for film.

He still occupied the mansion in Calabasas he bought in the early 1990s, two doors down Eazy-E’s own. Parked in his driveway during this time was a white BMW, which Eazy bought for him. The license plate read “RTHLSS2,” and it matched the same car Eazy bought for himself, whose license plate read “RTHLSS1.”