[Feldeinsamkeit]

Given the ever increasing degree of hypergamy that women in the Western hemisphere evince, especially in the Anglosphere, I was wondering whether there have been any studies of late, offical or otherwise, into rates of involuntary celibacy of men of marriageable age in countries such as the UK or the US?

Although anecdotal, I cannot help but notice how many men that I know personally who are unable to find females to bang or have a relationship with here in the north east of England. For example, both of my neighbours in my street are incel, as well as other men I know in my street. Furthermore, I notice ever more guys around me, especially in middle age who are chronically lacking in female companionship and who often mope arounwith a pissed off expression on their faces. The same principle applies when I go to a new club/society in my area - scarcely even a fat woman who is single to be observed , yet always a surplus of guys, many of whom are far from classic omegas but rather solid betas, with stable jobs and who are decent looking.

Has anybody else noticed a trend towards a higher rate of inceldom in countries such as the UK and the US in recent years?

[speakeasy]

I don't know if there's any official stats for incels, but I think you can look at the rate of never-married males and make inferences about what's going on. The rate of never married males has more than doubled in the last generation and it's always higher than the rate for women. Also notice the rate for men and women growing wider over time compared to 1970 when they were nearly at parity. This is for the states, but I'm sure it's the same story for all Anglo countries:

[Surreyman]

On a related note, I think Incels in history are fairly rare. General Gordon is the only one I can think of, but many people think he was a nonce.

[Laner]

I have noticed this as well, just not where I live.

When I go to small towns and cities is where I notice it more. I will go to visit family in some resource town in the mountains and it seems that a lot of men only get one real good chance at family life. If they snag a girl within a few years of 20 and have some kids, maintain a good frame and provide well they will be the ones at my age now who still have a woman. There are almost zero players at mid 30 in these towns. Guys are either incel or with someone.

When I look around my very urban hood its a different story. There are more women then men. All these companies around here are pumping out all sorts of low wage jobs; one of my favorite new jobs is "Cultural Ambassador". So a global engineering firm now needs 100 of these jobs in my neighborhood: 90 will go to women, 8 will go to the gays, and 2 will go to a good story piece of a former street junkie who cleaned up after four stints in jail.

Out of the incel guys I know in the city, none of them have any desire to put in the hard work to overcome their fear of women. And these women, while nice enough to guys like me, are requiring ever more game to pull them away from the corporate culture they crave so much in order to feed their need to feel important.

The sad thing is that many of these men who are falling through the cracks of the pussy universe are the same guys that are also too scared to just walk their own path and not care about women. Unfortunately most of them will jump at the opportunity to wife up an over aged, highly confrontational obese woman.

[philosophical_recovery]

I can name a few incels that I know personally, though I only think one is a virgin. The rest have poor/awkward game or no drive for self improvement coupled with obesity and effeminate behavior.

I'm actively trying to help a receptive older virgin, but he thinks he deserves an hb8 or 9, despite the fact his total dating experience totals about 2 weeks with a girl, and I doubt the exclusiveness. It's difficult to talk about directly because he gets defensive and irritated, so I've been working on slow pressure.

Unfortunately, not a lot of guys are slaying it here and worth spending time with.

I would guess half of the guys in their 20s are incels, going by body language and behavior alone.

[KorbenDallas]

Incels who are young can be very easy to help improve. Youthful minds are more easily swayed by reality, advice, and instruction. Incels over the age of 30 are severely damaged. There is hope for them, but it's hard.

Some of them I know whether relatives or acquaintances, they've built up this alternate reality in order to escape the harsh truth that their "strategy" (which is usually nice guy pedalzation) is really the only noble way to do dating and people who don't approach women their way are simply rude cavemen to look down on.

They have deluded themselves into thinking guys who actually fuck are somehow not as good as them because their playing the game the "right" way.

It's hard to explain in words but everyone reading my post probably knows what I'm talking about.

In my opinion, as someone who naturally wants to help people and for the world to become a better place, it's better to just not think about these people because unless it's your best friend, you can't save them all. It will only bring you down thinking about every single person having it rough. You gotta compartmentalize.

It's best to help yourself first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and then start thinking about saving the world.

[BlueOcean]

(05-29-2015 05:15 PM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

Incels who are young can be very easy to help improve. Youthful minds are more easily swayed by reality, advice, and instruction. Incels over the age of 30 are severely damaged. There is hope for them, but it's hard.

Some of them I know whether relatives or acquaintances, they've built up this alternate reality in order to escape the harsh truth that their "strategy" (which is usually nice guy pedalzation) is really the only noble way to do dating and people who don't approach women their way are simply rude cavemen to look down on.

They have deluded themselves into thinking guys who actually fuck are somehow not as good as them because their playing the game the "right" way.

It's hard to explain in words but everyone reading my post probably knows what I'm talking about.

In my opinion, as someone who naturally wants to help people and for the world to become a better place, it's better to just not think about these people because unless it's your best friend, you can't save them all. It will only bring you down thinking about every single person having it rough. You gotta compartmentalize.

It's best to help yourself first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and then start thinking about saving the world.

If a guy is convinced that it's better not to get around, that's his choice.

but even those guys can benefit from Red Pill knowledge and game.

Presumably your friends still want a monogamous relationship with a hot woman. If they want that, they're going to need to learn game strategy.

All men can benefit from learning the game. What you choose to do after learning game (sleep around or wife up a hottie) is up to you.