[OGNorCal707]

The Roosh V Forum should have a Keys to the VIP style show down with El Mech vs. Jariel with a live in field recording to see who is the true master of game....

[el mechanico]

^ Dang! OG is one of our best haters on the board. I'm in.

[Brian Shima]

[el mechanico]

I know this is all fun and games now but if you look at the history of the forum El mech has only pumped or tapped the brakes a few times.

You can dig though the debris if you want but there was a reason.

[brick tamland]

Good thread but the first response was a jaw-dropper.
If I remember well, a few months ago I saw some back and forth that definitely suggested the pair of protagonists (plus Gio) have some history hence the latter's subtle jibe in this thread. I would find the earlier thread with a better device.

[UroboricForms]

You could compile all past and future Real Talk articles into a single volume and you'd have a potential future red pill bible on your hands. Got a blog?

[jariel]

(05-20-2015 01:53 PM)UroboricForms Wrote:  

You could compile all past and future Real Talk articles into a single volume and you'd have a potential future red pill bible on your hands. Got a blog?

Thanks for the kind words.

I was writing this series a couple of years ago on here, it just wasn't called Real Talk Sessions, they were just posts, I didn't get the idea to name it until after we had the Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played posts that garnered a lot of discussion.

I might create a space for this just out of respect for Roosh because this is his board; I didn't expect the reception to be what it has been, and I'm not trying to dominate the game board here.

We have a number of guys here who are excellent raw game contributors, the challenge really is keeping the perspective fresh and at a high-level because others have set the bar high.

[Dalaran1991]

Great post Jariel, but its demoralising as fuck.

The truth is all fine. Sometimes the truth is all that matter. But THIS truth is making me feel like hammered shit, at least about where I am in life right now.

Ok, so all women burn you in the end. No woman ever gives a fuck about you unless there’s something in it for her. Even in a LTR where she has supposedly “earned it” you still have to be on your toes at all times.

Then whats the point of all this? Are we ever reaching the light at the end of the tunnel, or are we learning to enjoy living in the darkness?

You go out with a girl, have a blast, have fun, she seems like a great person, is attracted to you etc. Maybe you even bang her. Then what? Only to be reminded that in the end she is just a basic bitch like any other basic bitch and that all the fun you are having is simply not real and just a front she’s putting up? Im getting mind fucked.

If you already know she is gonna burn you in the end, why bother? Just for sex? Right now its what I do, but I reckon at 30s I cant be doing that just for sex anymore.

I never stay with a girl long enough to get the experience like some of you guys. I try to stay away from their bad side. ONS or a few bangs, and as soon as she shows her bad side I tuck tail. Because I want to turn a blind eye and keep the “good” image of her so that I can at least enjoy my memories with her. But deep inside, I know the truth you speak about here Jariel, and I hate it. Im still in denial.

One day with more experience I think I ll enjoy the full dark experience, but for now I think Ill just keep turning a blind eye.

[Lizard King]

You might feel demoralised now Dalaran, but if your mindset is good and your approach to life is good, you will pick yourself up and proceed in the right direction.

[UroboricForms]

(05-22-2015 09:30 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Great post Jariel, but its demoralising as fuck.

The truth is all fine. Sometimes the truth is all that matter. But THIS truth is making me feel like hammered shit, at least about where I am in life right now.

Ok, so all women burn you in the end. No woman ever gives a fuck about you unless there’s something in it for her. Even in a LTR where she has supposedly “earned it” you still have to be on your toes at all times.

Then whats the point of all this? Are we ever reaching the light at the end of the tunnel, or are we learning to enjoy living in the darkness?

You go out with a girl, have a blast, have fun, she seems like a great person, is attracted to you etc. Maybe you even bang her. Then what? Only to be reminded that in the end she is just a basic bitch like any other basic bitch and that all the fun you are having is simply not real and just a front she’s putting up?

If you already know she is gonna burn you in the end, why bother? Just for sex?

I never stay with a girl long enough to get the experience like some of you guys. I try to stay away from their bad side. ONS or a few bangs, and as soon as she shows her bad side I tuck tail. Because I want to turn a blind eye and keep the “good” image of her so that I can at least enjoy my memories with her. But deep inside, I know the truth you speak about here Jariel, and I hate it. Im still in denial.

One day with more experience I think I ll enjoy the full dark experience, but for now I think Ill just keep turning a blind eye.

I feel much the same, stuck in an anger and resentment phase it seems. It'll work itself out naturally as long as you don't give up on you. We were built to endure! Keep that in mind.

[blackstalk]

A little over a year ago I broke it off with My Ex and her 5yr old. The kid once told me if his mom stops loving me that he would like to go with me too. The entire relationship went/was exactly as you described. Great read man!

[Advent Persona]

(05-22-2015 09:30 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Great post Jariel, but its demoralising as fuck.

The truth is all fine. Sometimes the truth is all that matter. But THIS truth is making me feel like hammered shit, at least about where I am in life right now.

Ok, so all women burn you in the end. No woman ever gives a fuck about you unless there’s something in it for her. Even in a LTR where she has supposedly “earned it” you still have to be on your toes at all times.

Then whats the point of all this? Are we ever reaching the light at the end of the tunnel, or are we learning to enjoy living in the darkness?

You go out with a girl, have a blast, have fun, she seems like a great person, is attracted to you etc. Maybe you even bang her. Then what? Only to be reminded that in the end she is just a basic bitch like any other basic bitch and that all the fun you are having is simply not real and just a front she’s putting up? Im getting mind fucked.

If you already know she is gonna burn you in the end, why bother? Just for sex? Right now its what I do, but I reckon at 30s I cant be doing that just for sex anymore.

I never stay with a girl long enough to get the experience like some of you guys. I try to stay away from their bad side. ONS or a few bangs, and as soon as she shows her bad side I tuck tail. Because I want to turn a blind eye and keep the “good” image of her so that I can at least enjoy my memories with her. But deep inside, I know the truth you speak about here Jariel, and I hate it. Im still in denial.

One day with more experience I think I ll enjoy the full dark experience, but for now I think Ill just keep turning a blind eye.

Men these days have actually un-learned what men have known for ages. It's not like women just recently became opportunists. Look, even the first story of the first book in the old testament is about a woman taking advantage of an opportunity given to her, irrespective of prior commitments. What you know now IS the light at the end of the tunnel. The nature of the woman. What else do you need from a woman besides sex, her abilities to give birth and nurture your offspring? As men, we are lucky to not have to depend on women for survival. Can you imagine the dread a woman feels after meeting and falling for a man like me, knowing that I can provide for her and set her for life, and also knowing that I have the options to leave her any second so that she can hit the wall with the speed of a shinkansen at that point which she is useless?

As men we need to remember what it means to be Kings.

[Dalaran1991]

(05-22-2015 10:12 AM)Advent Persona Wrote:  

The nature of the woman. What else do you need from a woman besides sex, her abilities to give birth and nurture your offspring? As men, we are lucky to not have to depend on women for survival.

I like the attitude but I can’t see the reality of many of your points.

How many women nowadays would make good mothers? And how many guys are raising children not of their own (wifing up single moms) or paying child support for a kid the woman doesnt even allows him to see? Im 24 and I might never make father of the year but I wouldnt let my 5 yo niece stay a week with half of the girls I know.

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Can you imagine the dread a woman feels after meeting and falling for a man like me, knowing that I can provide for her and set her for life, and also knowing that I have the options to leave her any second so that she can hit the wall with the speed of a shinkansen at that point which she is useless?

No I cant. Because as a woman you actually dont ever really have to work one day in your life. That goes double if you are attractive. If a man leaves her she has the government and an endless stream of beta sympathyzers and SJWs to fall back on. Plenty of women live off entirely someone else like a parasite. She wont be happy that you ditch her but she will be far, far from dreaded because she can just pick any beta guys to wife her up. For every carousel rider who have hit the wall theres one pathetic beta cubicle worker who would love to wine and dine her.

I can imagine your dread if you pump and dump a girl and then she gets the cops on you for rape though. Mattress girl anyone? Can you imagine the pain of the guy in the story?

I can also imagine the dread and misery of guys who get divorced rape. Since when in history has this ever ever be acceptable?

Most women are protected from every threats imaginable to humans nowadays, be it real or unreal. Your world where men were kings gone to shit when society decided that its ok to throw monogamy out of the window and let the full nature of women goes full throttle.

Women have always been like this, but not men. Men used to be able to control things, but now they dig their own graves.

Women nowadays dont want a man and dont need a man for anything other than entertainment and validation.

If you are living in the East however then I can see your point.

All of this however just go to prove Jariel's point, that YOU have to look out for yourself. And I cant agree more with that.

[Advent Persona]

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I like the attitude but I can’t see the reality of many of your points.

How many women nowadays would make good mothers?

Very few. But you have the skillset and knowledge to identify the ones that can.

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as a woman you actually dont ever really have to work one day in your life. That goes double if you are attractive.

Quite a few of those go over to dubai to get shit on on a regular basis. There's a reason why many attractive women in the west have a myriad of psychological issues. It aint no easy hustle. For women, massive trauma comes with a high notch count.

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If a man leaves her she has the government and an endless stream of beta sympathyzers and SJWs to fall back on. Plenty of women live off entirely someone else like a parasite. She wont be happy that you ditch her but she will be far, far from dreaded because she can just pick any beta guys to wife her up. For every carousel rider who have hit the wall theres one pathetic beta cubicle worker who would love to wine and dine her.

We have known this and at this point it doesn't matter. The only light at the tunnel you're getting is knowing that you're not that 'beta cubicle worker'.

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I can imagine your dread if you pump and dump a girl and then she gets the cops on you for rape though. Mattress girl anyone? Can you imagine the pain of the guy in the story?

I can also imagine the dread and misery of guys who get divorced rape. Since when in history has this ever ever be acceptable?

Most women are protected from every threats imaginable to humans nowadays, be it real or unreal. Your world where men were kings gone to shit when society decided that its ok to throw monogamy out of the window and let the full nature of women goes full throttle.

Women have always been like this, but not men. Men used to be able to control things, but now they dig their own graves.

These men in your examples are just paying back for the error in judgement man made a couple years back when we handed women the keys to exercise their hypergamy to the full extent. We are observers of these things but as a man who prides himself in being aware, these situations should never be a part of your reality. Nevertheless, It's not a culture that can sustain itself for many more years to come. The decline is inevitable.

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Women nowadays dont want a man and dont need a man for anything other than entertainment and validation.

This is something that most women believe. We however know the truth.

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If you are living in the East however then I can see your point.

My point is that in this day and age, it is essential for a man to remember how to conduct himself, as well as how to deal with the nature of women. Men of old were aware of the nature of women, and took certain measures to curtail it. But the great 'revelation' and 'peace of mind' is knowing of it's existence and knowing how to deal with that shit and protect yourself. Take that with you weather you're in Thailand or Washington DC.

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All of this however just go to prove Jariel's point, that YOU have to look out for yourself. And I cant agree more with that.

True dat.

[AneroidOcean]

(05-22-2015 09:30 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Great post Jariel, but its demoralising as fuck.

The truth is all fine. Sometimes the truth is all that matter. But THIS truth is making me feel like hammered shit, at least about where I am in life right now.

Ok, so all women burn you in the end. No woman ever gives a fuck about you unless there’s something in it for her. Even in a LTR where she has supposedly “earned it” you still have to be on your toes at all times.

Then whats the point of all this? Are we ever reaching the light at the end of the tunnel, or are we learning to enjoy living in the darkness?

You go out with a girl, have a blast, have fun, she seems like a great person, is attracted to you etc. Maybe you even bang her. Then what? Only to be reminded that in the end she is just a basic bitch like any other basic bitch and that all the fun you are having is simply not real and just a front she’s putting up? Im getting mind fucked.

If you already know she is gonna burn you in the end, why bother? Just for sex? Right now its what I do, but I reckon at 30s I cant be doing that just for sex anymore.

I never stay with a girl long enough to get the experience like some of you guys. I try to stay away from their bad side. ONS or a few bangs, and as soon as she shows her bad side I tuck tail. Because I want to turn a blind eye and keep the “good” image of her so that I can at least enjoy my memories with her. But deep inside, I know the truth you speak about here Jariel, and I hate it. Im still in denial.

One day with more experience I think I ll enjoy the full dark experience, but for now I think Ill just keep turning a blind eye.

Love is conditional. All of the things Jariel said don't equate to not ever being able to have a life-long relationship with a woman, but you have to realize that love is conditional, especially for a woman.

Once I realized that, the end of my previous relationships were so much easier to understand. It actually allowed me to wrap my head around the "take it or leave it" mentality/frame that helps so much with women.

[MMM]

El Mech trolling a new type of troll: the "Hijack Forum Blog-Within-A-Forum-Troll. " Double trolling. Priceless.

[swiss rabbit]

jariel, love your posts but this one seems to be a bit TOO cynical...just as someone else said that some of this applies to men but not all men, we can't assume that this applies to all women

[Dalaran1991]

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Love is conditional. All of the things Jariel said don't equate to not ever being able to have a life-long relationship with a woman, but you have to realize that love is conditional, especially for a woman.

This is actually a great direction to steer the thread to. See the truth of your relationship: on what conditions are they being based on?

Thats my question for you high roller. Say you are with a chick. How do you determine what the conditions her love for you are? Each relationship with a girl is different.

I have a main now and I would love to be able to know, what are the conditions of her love for me?