[Quintus Curtius]

(05-14-2015 08:48 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

I believe the box office figures will prove you that a couple guys on a forum will have absolutely zero impact. I bet you most people on this forum actually haven't been to the cinema in years and would have just downloaded it anyways.

It's not about "a couple guys on a forum", Tresdus. It's about the manosphere and its growing readership across the world. That's what I meant. I really do believe that the manosphere is a nascent social movement with growing influence.

I have faith. I believe it passionately and unshakingly. Do you?

If the manosphere is so irrelevant, then why are the mainstream media going out of its way to attack us? Do you have any idea how many page hits RoK gets per month?

And more to the point, if you think we're so irrelevant, then why are you here?

Hmmm?

[YossariansRight]

(05-14-2015 10:16 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

This whole shabby affair really is a shame. George Miller, the director of "The Road Warrior" pulled off something very special in cinematic art in 1981 with his movie.

"The Road Warrior" really is a visionary science fiction film, a pulse-pounding action film, and just a great story. It's easy to forget it now, but it was endlessly imitated in the 1980s and 1990s. It spawned countless "apocalypse" movies all through that period, and even after.

But Miller apparently found it necessary to "sell out" in order to make the big time. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but it looks like he wanted to make it big in America, and to do that he needed to dilute his masculine, balls-to-the-wall message.

The big studios probably sat him down and told him that to get the big financing, he was going to have to compromise. He was going to have to play ball with America's little feminist party lines.

What you could get away with in Australia, you can't get away with in the US. Sad.

I literally winced when the sequel came out in the mid-1980s, "Beyond Thunderdome." I have nothing against Tina Turner as far as it goes, but it was clear that inserting her into the movie was a ploy to capitalize on her trending popularity, which was undergoing something of a revival in the 1980s. But it just didn't feel right. She just seemed out of place among all the leather-clad barbarians.

Same thing with having all these kids in the film. There was a whole ridiculous sequence with Mel Gibson stumbling on a "tribe " of kids looking for their lost leader or some nonsense.

So they turned what had been one of the most masculine movies ever made--The Road Warrior--into some sort of social statement where feral kids and female singing icons had center stage. Mad Max was reduced to just being a cab driver with brass knuckles.

Sad, sad, sad.

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Spot on! "The Raod Warrior' is on my "50 DVDs to take to Mars with me" list.

[YossariansRight]

(05-14-2015 08:52 PM)Beowulf Wrote:  

I can't believe no one has mentioned this abomination yet...

I've been ignoring it hoping it gives away.

[philosophical_recovery]

(05-14-2015 09:07 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:52 PM)Beowulf Wrote:  

I can't believe no one has mentioned this abomination yet...

I've been ignoring it hoping it gives away.

Who would've thought that it would've been possible to make a movie series as horrible as Superman and make it even worse by turning it into a chick flick.

Just skipping through that made me want to go "shopping". I need to go lift some weights, now.

[YossariansRight]

(05-14-2015 09:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:48 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

I believe the box office figures will prove you that a couple guys on a forum will have absolutely zero impact. I bet you most people on this forum actually haven't been to the cinema in years and would have just downloaded it anyways.

It's not about "a couple guys on a forum", Tresdus. It's about the manosphere and its growing readership across the world. That's what I meant. I really do believe that the manosphere is a nascent social movement with growing influence.

I have faith. I believe it passionately and unshakingly. Do you?

If the manosphere is so irrelevant, then why are the mainstream media going out of its way to attack us? Do you have any idea how many page hits RoK gets per month?

And more to the point, if you think we're so irrelevant, then why are you here?

Hmmm?

   

[YossariansRight]

(05-14-2015 09:10 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 09:07 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:52 PM)Beowulf Wrote:  

I can't believe no one has mentioned this abomination yet...

I've been ignoring it hoping it gives away.

Who would've thought that it would've been possible to make a movie series as horrible as Superman and make it even worse by turning it into a chick flick.

Just skipping through that made me want to go "shopping". I need to go lift some weights, now.

You watched it? You're a braver man than I am.

[philosophical_recovery]

(05-14-2015 09:12 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 09:10 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 09:07 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:52 PM)Beowulf Wrote:  

I can't believe no one has mentioned this abomination yet...

I've been ignoring it hoping it gives away.

Who would've thought that it would've been possible to make a movie series as horrible as Superman and make it even worse by turning it into a chick flick.

Just skipping through that made me want to go "shopping". I need to go lift some weights, now.

You watched it? You're a braver man than I am.

[Tresdus]

(05-14-2015 09:01 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 08:48 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

I believe the box office figures will prove you that a couple guys on a forum will have absolutely zero impact. I bet you most people on this forum actually haven't been to the cinema in years and would have just downloaded it anyways.

It's not about "a couple guys on a forum", Tresdus. It's about the manosphere and its growing readership across the world. That's what I meant. I really do believe that the manosphere is a nascent social movement with growing influence.

I have faith. I believe it passionately and unshakingly. Do you?

If the manosphere is so irrelevant, then why are the mainstream media going out of its way to attack us? Do you have any idea how many page hits RoK gets per month?

And more to the point, if you think we're so irrelevant, then why are you here?

Hmmm?

I'm here for the oilsands thread where I help people out in real life. I let people sleep on my couch, I help them with the industry, I give them tips about the city, with the visa etc.

As far as I'm concerned that's worth more than a couple of imaginary rep points.

No, I don't believe in the manosphere. RoK is one blog. The mainstream media attacks everyone they can get their hands on. The mainstream media is also so corrupt that RoK will never reach the masses. (It might, but the people won't change.)

[Broady]

Here's a copy/paste from a page on news.com.au today:

A men’s rights activist wants blokes all around the world to boycott Mad Max: Fury Road, or as he calls it, a “feminist piece of propaganda posing as a guy flick”.

The absurd comments come from Aaron Clarey who made the pathetic plea on men’s site Return of Kings where he wrote that he became concerned about the franchise’s latest film after watching the trailer.

It's a shame that Mad Max has degenerated into this.

[Soothesayer]

I popped over to Rotten Tomatoes just bc I was curious what the reviews were. F'ing 90%. Absurd. So I glance over the reviews and catch some keywords, one being "Down with the patriarchy."

I won't even give this film the dignity (such as it is) of a pirated download. I was willing to entertain the thought that maybe some residue of the movie was salvageable, like Mad Max Thunderdome. But sweeeet Jesus, there's no way now. I feel the same way that I did when Prometheus came out. Total bomb, but at least with that film, it was only due to the bad script, not a total feminist clusterfuck as we have here.

[Clemmo]

Someone from the Guardian has made a poorly spelled rebuttal article to the ROK article on the new Mad Max.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...t-52200073

The first paragraph has already made this article sound like a farce.

Quote:

The furore over Mad Max: Fury Road amongst “men’s rights activists” is, as many have pointed out, hilarious. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has spent any time monitoring what passes for thought in the assemblage of pick-up artists and man-children who have collectively been christened the “redpill right”.

[TheWastelander]

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015...-interview

Quote:

"I've gone from being very male dominant to being surrounded by magnificent women. I can’t help but be a feminist,” says George Miller.

Miller has been many things in his life—a doctor, then a visionary action film director, then a director of an animated franchise about tap-dancing penguins—but “feminist icon” may be a role the 70-year-old filmmaker never expected. And yet, many of the rapturous reactions to his new film, Mad Max; Fury Road, have focused on the dominant role of women in the film, from the fearless Imperator Furiosa played by Charlize Theron to the well-drawn, fascinating quintet of kidnapped wives whom Furiosa spends the film spiriting to safety.

Women had a major impact behind the scenes, too; Miller’s wife, Margaret Sixel, edited the film—“I said, ‘You have to edit this movie, because it won’t look like every other action movie,” Miller recalls. And after hearing her speak on Australian radio, Miller invited famed feminist activist Eve Ensler to visit the set in Namibia to lead a workshop for the actresses who played the wives, to give “perspective on violence against women around the world, particularly in war zones,” in Ensler’s words. “Even though it’s a helter-skelter action movie you have to really prepare the world as much as possible,” Miller explains, adding that Ensler wound up including members of the crew in the workshops as well.

Makes me want to vomit.

[kbell]

It might do well though we won't know until this weekend and how long it takes to break even. Action movies don't usually get super high ratings so that might attract a large audience. However if the feminism is over the top, than word of mouth will cause the movie to peter out. Agenda films generally don't do well financially but can get a lot of awards. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets best screenplay or something else since the awards are quite a circlejerk.

[Broady]

I haven't seen the film, but as an Australian I will very disappointed if George Miller has fucked it up...and it sounds like he has.

[Other Barry]

(05-14-2015 10:25 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

"I've gone from being very male dominant to being surrounded by magnificent women. I can’t help but be a feminist,” says George Miller.

That should read: "I've gone from being a great Australian to being a simping pussified spineless loser. I can’t help but be a mangina,” says George Miller.

[Lizard King]

(05-14-2015 10:21 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

Someone from the Guardian has made a poorly spelled rebuttal article to the ROK article on the new Mad Max.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...t-52200073

The first paragraph has already made this article sound like a farce.

Quote:

The furore over Mad Max: Fury Road amongst “men’s rights activists” is, as many have pointed out, hilarious. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has spent any time monitoring what passes for thought in the assemblage of pick-up artists and man-children who have collectively been christened the “redpill right”.

An article full of snark and ad hominem. Very poorly written.

Just one example:

Quote:

a pick up artist site where men are urged to exhibit confidence and strength by essentially tricking women into sleeping with them

[Carlos100]

(05-14-2015 10:21 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

Someone from the Guardian has made a poorly spelled rebuttal article to the ROK article on the new Mad Max.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...t-52200073

The first paragraph has already made this article sound like a farce.

Quote:

The furore over Mad Max: Fury Road amongst “men’s rights activists” is, as many have pointed out, hilarious. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has spent any time monitoring what passes for thought in the assemblage of pick-up artists and man-children who have collectively been christened the “redpill right”.

This guy wrote that column in his angry voice. Big mistake. When you do that, you usually bring more converts to the side you're railing aginst because people want to see what all the fuss is about, then discover that it's not near as bad as what the author was saying. That's how I originally found the Manosphere.

[KorbenDallas]

The Road Warrior is one of my favorite movies.

It's basically a movie targeted to "Red Pill' guys, doubly so if you are into prepping, peak oil, action movies, and that sort of the thing.

The sort of the thing that is completely unpopular on the left.

So, I'm not going to watch it, and me and people like me were the primary market. Furthermore, the left is basically screaming people like me are bad people. All these articles are really bad press. They are scaring off their market. There isn't that many SJW's.

This feels similar to the whole Mozilla affair where they tried to be 'hip' by forcing their founder out and then proceeded to lose most of their users and their market share dropped by a lot, I don't remember the exact numbers.

So, a few diehard SJW's will see the movie, a few Mad Max fans, (there's not too many, it's almost a cult classic) who didn't get the memo it's going to suck, and basically it's going to flop.

I could be wrong though. Movies are hard to predict. But it's also not like movies are doing great right now anyway. The movies that have done well recently are the ones that aren't overly SJWing right? Didn't Captain America the Winter Soldier do well and it's anti-government surveillance, the government SJW's are secretly evil right? I don't know. I just think it's going to flop.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-15-2015 01:20 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

Quote:

a pick up artist site where men are urged to exhibit confidence and strength by essentially tricking women into sleeping with them

You can't explain Charisma to the Leftist BoyMen who entirely lack it and have no conception of what it is like to be sexually attractive to women. To protect their ego, it has to be a 'magic trick'.

He's basically saying he thinks women are incapable of making their own sexual choices, and if they choose to bang someone with politics that don't align with his, they're somehow 'fooled' into it. What a creepy little misogynist.

The face of a vast comprehension of female desire and sexuality, seemingly an adult man's head on a teenage boy's body:



Profile photo. No friends. No family. No girlfriend, (or boyfriend, if he swings that way). At least he isn't Hover Handing the tree, but he's cradling it like a woman. Creepy.

[Clemmo]

(05-15-2015 03:55 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:20 AM)Lizard King Wrote:  

Quote:

a pick up artist site where men are urged to exhibit confidence and strength by essentially tricking women into sleeping with them

You can't explain Charisma to the Leftist BoyMen who entirely lack it and have no conception of what it is like to be sexually attractive to women. To protect their ego, it has to be a 'magic trick'.

He's basically saying he thinks women are incapable of making their own sexual choices, and if they choose to bang someone with politics that don't align with his, they're somehow 'fooled' into it. What a creepy little misogynist.

The face of a vast comprehension of female desire and sexuality, seemingly an adult man's head on a teenage boy's body:



Profile photo. No friends. No family. No girlfriend, (or boyfriend, if he swings that way). At least he isn't Hover Handing the tree, but he's cradling it like a woman. Creepy.

That photo would make a great meme.

He definitely looks the type of "creepy" guys who be sending thirsty messages on online dating. From his body language alone. I can tell he's been incel for years. Or is a real life 40 year old virgin.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-14-2015 10:21 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

Someone from the Guardian has made a poorly spelled rebuttal article to the ROK article on the new Mad Max.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...t-52200073

The first paragraph has already made this article sound like a farce.

Quote:

The furore over Mad Max: Fury Road amongst “men’s rights activists” is, as many have pointed out, hilarious. It shouldn’t surprise anyone who has spent any time monitoring what passes for thought in the assemblage of pick-up artists and man-children who have collectively been christened the “redpill right”.

No one is furious over such a trifle thing. Only the SJWs are being emotionally triggered by an article or a movie. We are at best mildly irritated that they change all masculine movies into feminist fuckfests.

As far as I am concerned - good riddence. The movie likely is visually stunning and many men will go see it with their "best halves". If the men afterwards think that being a mangina is fantastic and letting women run their lives and relationships - then I wish them good luck.

Quote:

PUAs, as they’re called, claim to instruct men in “game” so they can reliably get laid.

It’s an apt term, because it conceives of the path to sexual intimacy as a kind of video game walkthrough, where if you learn to press the right buttons in the right sequence you’re bound to “win”. Men come for the surefire sex tips, and leave with a heaping helping of reactionary ideology.

The real point of PUA and the related “men’s rights movement” is not really helping the plight of lonely nerds: it’s disputing the result of the sexual revolution. PUA “game” is premised on the idea that women are basically lab rats who will reliably respond to certain stimuli. Anyone who disputes this idea and any evidence to the contrary – like women’s increasing economic success, and sexual and social confidence – are anathema.

It's a hit piece on Game itself, because it is unfathomable to idiotic manlets that female desire can be generated through the right buttons. There were female journalists who visited PUA bootcamps and afterwards said: "Shit, this stuff might work!" I have read it in US, UK, Polish newspapers - all female journalists reported the same. Game as taught by those PUAs should get you laid.

But yeah - the epitome of the womanizing Player can claim with 100% conviction that seduction cannot be taught. He is not getting any and why should others get it.

And he is wrong that incels cannot be helped - anyone profits from Game and the worst incel can at least become good enough with women to get himself a moderately attractive girlfriend and with the help of LTR Game by Heartiste or Rationalmale actually keep her.

Quote:

Clarey is proposing that the man-o-sphere boycott the film. Which is all the more reason to go, get a large popcorn, satisfied in the knowledge that it’s salted with reactionary tears.

No one is crying you little sucker. We don't give a rat's ass if women have their feminist organisations and talks. It is you Feminazis who want to stifle free speech, you who send bomb threats to close talks, you who use violence against dissenting feminists - you want to stamp out ideas with pure oppression.

We just don't give a damn.


Now sing comrade - sing the song you really want:

At least it's a good hymn - unfortunate that it was picked by the communists.

[Other Barry]

(05-15-2015 02:34 AM)KorbenDallas Wrote:  

It's basically a movie targeted to "Red Pill' guys, doubly so if you are into prepping, peak oil, action movies, and that sort of the thing.

The sort of the thing that is completely unpopular on the left.

It is?

[casio]

I saw it yesterday, didn't even read anything about it before so wasn't aware about the controversy or the feminist angle etc.

So yes, the second lead Furiosa has an "equal" part - but the other chicks are quite literally "the property" of the antagonist Joe and not action heroes or anything. Most of the feminist agenda didn't really bother me any less than it bothers me when a robot is heroic instead of a human, it's fictional characters doing fictional stuff. I do agree that making strong female leads "just because" like they are doing with the new ghostbusters movie is a terrible trend, but after seeing the movie I think this one handled it ok.
One could also argue that it's Max who often brings the common sense to the table, especially in the turning point of the movie (if you've seen it, you'll know what I mean). They also didn't weaken him or anything, which makes it fair game to me.

That said, I really liked it. Has some great action scenes, especially the fight between Furiosa and Max near the beginning. Miller puts a lot of the younger action directos to shame when it comes to putting a good fight on the screen.
I also can see why it gets great reviews, it's been a long time since an action movie with a strong and distinct dystopian worldview like this has been made and it has a unique strongly tied visual style that reminds you of both scifi, old biblical movies and westerns alike.

[bacon]

Shit, Ghostbusters now Mad Max it pains me to think what other memorable films from my youth Hollywood will eventually reboot with female main characters or female leads. Given enough time studios will recreate and tarnish the legacy of all the remaining male movie classics.

@ Supergirl clip absolute trash but go to the 3:24 mark as that grotesque geriatric beast Calista Flockhart actually described herself as "hot"

[CJ_W]

(05-14-2015 08:48 PM)Tresdus Wrote:  

I believe the box office figures will prove you that a couple guys on a forum will have absolutely zero impact. I bet you most people on this forum actually haven't been to the cinema in years and would have just downloaded it anyways.

That's what the french Nobles said about the French Salons, a couple of years later Robespierre brought them in front of the Guillotine.

Just because a discussion is something YOU don't like, doesn't mean it's not relevant and that it has no impact.

Even though I personally don't care about this topic much (as far as I'm concerned, I lost all hope for media/hollywood to actually praise and glorify masculinity years ago )

Discussing these things ARE the first step to changing them. Of course some subjects are done ad nauseum and should probably be stickied, but I think it's perfectly fine to warn people to watch out for any consumption of media that will pretty much poison the well that is your mind, and/or waste your time. . .kind of like how movie critics claim their legitimacy. . .the whole "protecting the consumer" thing.


P.S. and no I don't mean that this topic will result in the chopping off of your head, don't be silly. I'm making the point that discussion causes change.

Funnily enough, people who are "Against" people bashing this movie because of its feminist themes, have made that viewpoint orders of magnitude more known than if feminists had just left it alone. A LOT of men ALREADY have this pervading feeling that men are being marginalized in media, as well as in other areas of life, now that people have spoken up about this movie that everyone is "supposed" to like a lot MORE people who have noticed this trend will start to understand what's really going on. Thus beginning their own personal knowledge journies(sp?) into how men are viewed and treated in society, causing these men to life up the veil ever so slowly.

which is funny because a lot of people bitching about this(about people pointing out the feminist take over of this movie) is actually speeding this process up.