A lot of times I have met women who were clearly attracted to me i.e. were throwing out a shit ton of IOIs yet have still managed to fuck it up. What are the key principles of non fuck up game, and how can I do it right?
Non fuckup game
Non fuckup game doesn't exist my friend!! You always have to try to beat LMR to the best of your ability. It is by fucking up and picking up tips from the expert we have here that you'll get better! Game is like loosing weight: There's no quick fix or fast way to get good, you simply have to pay your dues to be good! So keep on failing my friend, and get better everytime!
Quote: (05-03-2015 06:40 PM)JordanH Wrote:
Escalation.
This one word answer basically sums it all up. It very rare for a girl to move the physical interaction forward. Since banging bishes is an example of a physical interaction, you're not going to get there 99% of the time by waiting for the female to make the moves.
The closest approximation to NF-U Game would be learning to read "Indicators of Interest" and then proceeding to escalate when they appear.
Better game would be learning to build attraction and/or approach women that you would otherwise not encounter in your daily life due to work/social circle/random unintentional encounters.
But knowing when a girl likes you already and learning to have the balls to strike while the iron is hot, is a good start.
It's something I survived on for years.
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Actually there hasn’t been a lot of info on non fuck up game. Used the search function and all I got was a bunch of swearing on the forum ![[Image: lol.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/lol.gif)
Here’s my take. Non fuck up game is still game, and it aint easy. For the veterans maybe, else its very easy to make the rookie mistake of getting carried away with all the IOI you receive and forget that the goal is to bang her, not indulging your ego.
Few type of situations with NFU game :
1.Girls are really into you, approach you, escalate and basically ask you to take her home. If you still fuck up, go cut your dick off. This happens to very good looking guys, more if the girl is wasted.
2.Girls like you and give tons of IOIs.
3.Girls like you but do not show IOIs. Bitches be crazy and damned if I dont have this happened to me every now and then.
4.Girls’ friends tell you she like you and try setting you two up.
IMO, only 1 and maybe 2 could be considered real NFU game. In that case, escalation and LMR is very important, might even be more important than usual. If you are familiar with Mystery, NFU game means you can go easy on the attraction phase since she is already attracted, so you can jump to comfort and seduction right away. While there’s no need to neg heavy, its important to always keep your frame and not fall into the « just be nice » thing.
There s a whole library about escalation. Just remember to keep upping the heat and eventually take her home. Way too often guys get overconfident and think this one is in the bag, so they dont escalate enough. Dont add the notch before you get the lay.
This is where it gets tricky. Girls may really like you but she might not be ready to fuck. If she is not ready, she will have greater anti-slut defense since you didnt really game her and so she cant have that « it just happens » hamster excuse. It is important that your venue change be extremely smooth and natural.
LMR is always a bitch. Dont make the mistake of blurting out stuffs like « you also like me so lets do this » etc., you kill the illusions and place the burden on her. This by far is the most common mistake.
3 is standard game situation and you still have to work every phase as hard as usual, but she will help you do some of the work. Personally I enjoy this kind of situation because you still have a sense of winning something, while not having to deal with a lot of bitch shield. It just confuses the fuck out of me that bitches would try to act disinterested toward a guy they like (game not recognized : girl). Are they trying to mimic our own game or what ?
My new plate told me post-bang that she wanted to fuck me since the first time she saw me, but she was acting indifferent to me the entire time even during my approach.
4 is basically social circle game. Just try to isolate her and set up a date.
And dont fuck up
Here’s my take. Non fuck up game is still game, and it aint easy. For the veterans maybe, else its very easy to make the rookie mistake of getting carried away with all the IOI you receive and forget that the goal is to bang her, not indulging your ego.
Few type of situations with NFU game :
1.Girls are really into you, approach you, escalate and basically ask you to take her home. If you still fuck up, go cut your dick off. This happens to very good looking guys, more if the girl is wasted.
2.Girls like you and give tons of IOIs.
3.Girls like you but do not show IOIs. Bitches be crazy and damned if I dont have this happened to me every now and then.
4.Girls’ friends tell you she like you and try setting you two up.
IMO, only 1 and maybe 2 could be considered real NFU game. In that case, escalation and LMR is very important, might even be more important than usual. If you are familiar with Mystery, NFU game means you can go easy on the attraction phase since she is already attracted, so you can jump to comfort and seduction right away. While there’s no need to neg heavy, its important to always keep your frame and not fall into the « just be nice » thing.
There s a whole library about escalation. Just remember to keep upping the heat and eventually take her home. Way too often guys get overconfident and think this one is in the bag, so they dont escalate enough. Dont add the notch before you get the lay.
This is where it gets tricky. Girls may really like you but she might not be ready to fuck. If she is not ready, she will have greater anti-slut defense since you didnt really game her and so she cant have that « it just happens » hamster excuse. It is important that your venue change be extremely smooth and natural.
LMR is always a bitch. Dont make the mistake of blurting out stuffs like « you also like me so lets do this » etc., you kill the illusions and place the burden on her. This by far is the most common mistake.
3 is standard game situation and you still have to work every phase as hard as usual, but she will help you do some of the work. Personally I enjoy this kind of situation because you still have a sense of winning something, while not having to deal with a lot of bitch shield. It just confuses the fuck out of me that bitches would try to act disinterested toward a guy they like (game not recognized : girl). Are they trying to mimic our own game or what ?
My new plate told me post-bang that she wanted to fuck me since the first time she saw me, but she was acting indifferent to me the entire time even during my approach.
4 is basically social circle game. Just try to isolate her and set up a date.
And dont fuck up
Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
It's impossible to never fuck up. But you can avoid small mistakes that lead to overall fuck up. And you do it by testing how far you can take it before making a move.
For example, people mention escalation. OK fine. But you can do it in risky way or safe way. Risky way is to just escalate on the girl when you feel like. That can be risky at times. Safe way for example is to reach out your arm as if you want to invite a girl for a hug to see if she's down for that. If she is she will come to you and you can pull her in and hug.
Same way with extending your hand as to see if she grabs it and if she does you take it and pull her in bit closer. Same way with standing a little bit closer to a girl to see if she's OK with that or not. If not you step back. Same way with kissing, you watch out for that anime eyes and glances at your lips, you go in bit closer and if she still does that you go for a kiss. Same way with taking your clothes off first before she does in bedroom, it conveys the same message as trying to undress her but it's safe to do it yourself first.
If a girl rejects your advances it's like nothing happened cause she simply doesn't follow your lead so there's no big rejection scene taking place. And you get the information where you stand with that girl so you can adjust your advances accordingly.
That's how you do it the safe way. You "invite" her to do something and if she complies you finish the move. Things like that make your escalation non invasive cause a girl complies to your invitation before you escalate.
Other thing is just knowing how getting the girl usually looks like. I mean it's well known that chatting up a girl in daytime she might be surprised at first especially in uncommon situation so you know you might need 2-3 short attempts to catch her attention [1st attempt: excuse me one moment, 2nd attempt: hey hi, 3rd attempt: opener] before she even starts listening to what you say. Similarly if a girl is with her friends it's obvious to engage them too. So predicting things like these is important too. Surprisingly so many guys are oblivious to such details.
For example, people mention escalation. OK fine. But you can do it in risky way or safe way. Risky way is to just escalate on the girl when you feel like. That can be risky at times. Safe way for example is to reach out your arm as if you want to invite a girl for a hug to see if she's down for that. If she is she will come to you and you can pull her in and hug.
Same way with extending your hand as to see if she grabs it and if she does you take it and pull her in bit closer. Same way with standing a little bit closer to a girl to see if she's OK with that or not. If not you step back. Same way with kissing, you watch out for that anime eyes and glances at your lips, you go in bit closer and if she still does that you go for a kiss. Same way with taking your clothes off first before she does in bedroom, it conveys the same message as trying to undress her but it's safe to do it yourself first.
If a girl rejects your advances it's like nothing happened cause she simply doesn't follow your lead so there's no big rejection scene taking place. And you get the information where you stand with that girl so you can adjust your advances accordingly.
That's how you do it the safe way. You "invite" her to do something and if she complies you finish the move. Things like that make your escalation non invasive cause a girl complies to your invitation before you escalate.
Other thing is just knowing how getting the girl usually looks like. I mean it's well known that chatting up a girl in daytime she might be surprised at first especially in uncommon situation so you know you might need 2-3 short attempts to catch her attention [1st attempt: excuse me one moment, 2nd attempt: hey hi, 3rd attempt: opener] before she even starts listening to what you say. Similarly if a girl is with her friends it's obvious to engage them too. So predicting things like these is important too. Surprisingly so many guys are oblivious to such details.
My game used to be so bad. I used to ask women directly if they wanted to have sex. Even if they wanted to, being so 'forward' was a turn off.
Secondly, failing shit tests and not being persistent. If a girl was being a bit difficult I would bounce and wouldn't try again.
Thirdly, getting too drunk.
Secondly, failing shit tests and not being persistent. If a girl was being a bit difficult I would bounce and wouldn't try again.
Thirdly, getting too drunk.
Don't debate me.
Quote: (05-04-2015 07:29 AM)XXL Wrote:
That's how you do it the safe way. You "invite" her to do something and if she complies you finish the move. Things like that make your escalation non invasive cause a girl complies to your invitation before you escalate.
Great examples and this is how smooth game should look like.
Although to be honest I've never really get that "ready for the kiss" look you guys talk about here, and I'm quite the observer. A lot of the time I just go in when there's the right timing and it ends up being great make out.
Also what pride male said. Being persistent is very important.
Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
To me "don't fuck it up game" is essentially being calm and pleasant. Its a game to be run once you are relatively certain the girl is into you and you perceive she will agree to come to your place a bit later when you suggest it. The attraction is there and you don't want to fuck it up by trying to be too assholish or over the top. You've made the journey and now can go into an easy "approach pattern" and land that damn jet at the airport (heh).
Do things like ask her about herself while nodding and being mostly interested. Throw in an occasional high five or fist bump upon revelations she gives about herself that you find interesting as well as arm and shoulder touching. Tease her just a little. When you get up to leave and go to your place, gently touch the small of her back as you go through doors or begin your walk. You're basically just being pleasant and agreeable with kino and some mild teasing and you're letting her do most of the talking.
Do things like ask her about herself while nodding and being mostly interested. Throw in an occasional high five or fist bump upon revelations she gives about herself that you find interesting as well as arm and shoulder touching. Tease her just a little. When you get up to leave and go to your place, gently touch the small of her back as you go through doors or begin your walk. You're basically just being pleasant and agreeable with kino and some mild teasing and you're letting her do most of the talking.
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To me, non fuckup game is a form of thoughtful escalation where you and the girl and just comfortable talking with each other while touching. I'm experienced enough where I can tell if a girl is into me during a conversation or low-energy environment (meaning away from loud clubs or dancing). The only thing that would stop me from getting the bang is basically logistical failure or a cockblock at that point. I'll give an example here.
A few weeks ago, I was chatting up a set of three girls after a party. They were all comfortable with me and so I decided to bring them to a more scenic place (without going into too blunt of details) to continue our chat. After a while, I moved to the one that interested me, who happened not to be talking much as I built rapport with the other two girls. I engaged her a bit and very shortly her two friends leave. She's slow to go with them and as she is finally about to get up, I gently put my hand on her leg to hold her back. Once her friends leave, we talk for like a minute more (nothing of significance) and she almost attacks me when I start of engage the makeout. I never got the bang because her friends started buzzing her after like 5 minutes, but I think this is a good example of what one needs to do when they see the light at the end of the tunnel.
A few weeks ago, I was chatting up a set of three girls after a party. They were all comfortable with me and so I decided to bring them to a more scenic place (without going into too blunt of details) to continue our chat. After a while, I moved to the one that interested me, who happened not to be talking much as I built rapport with the other two girls. I engaged her a bit and very shortly her two friends leave. She's slow to go with them and as she is finally about to get up, I gently put my hand on her leg to hold her back. Once her friends leave, we talk for like a minute more (nothing of significance) and she almost attacks me when I start of engage the makeout. I never got the bang because her friends started buzzing her after like 5 minutes, but I think this is a good example of what one needs to do when they see the light at the end of the tunnel.
It's essentially what most naturals use, and has been overlooked far too often.
Ok so I know this girl from school and everytime I see her she gives me IOIs I just know shes into me. I planned on gaming her during a high school party but got way too drunk stupid me.. Now I dont have lessons anymore but it turns out we go to the same gym. Ive never really talked to her just a casual hi. How do I persue?
Quote: (05-07-2015 04:12 PM)carter Wrote:
Ok so I know this girl from school and everytime I see her she gives me IOIs I just know shes into me. I planned on gaming her during a high school party but got way too drunk stupid me.. Now I dont have lessons anymore but it turns out we go to the same gym. Ive never really talked to her just a casual hi. How do I persue?
No more lessons meaning that you've finished with school? You could mention that it is weird not having to go to school anymore and proceed from there. That sounds like one of the easiest interactions you could have tbh. It's not cold approach and you both already have some common ground.
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