[Latinopan]

The New Tesla Model 3

This is a size comparison with the Model S

[Saweeep]

This is going to be a game changer I think.

I really like this Musk fellow, despite his achievements constantly reminding me that in the grand scheme of life, I am a complete failure

[Captainstabbin]

Musk has the worst presentation skills on the planet and that fag introducing him was punchable.

He explains how the earlier models were overpriced to pay for research for this car and the audience applauds wildly. Yet these same morons would vilify a drug company for using the exact same business model. Shows why companies pander to the SJW crowd.

[Saweeep]

(04-03-2016 04:25 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Musk has the worst presentation skills on the planet and that fag introducing him was punchable.

He explains how the earlier models were overpriced to pay for research for this car and the audience applauds wildly. Yet these same morons would vilify a drug company for using the exact same business model. Shows why companies pander to the SJW crowd.

I'm tempted to give 44 year old Multi Billionaires the benefit of the doubt on a lot of fronts, to be honest.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Is the new car good for banging girls inside it?

[philosophical_recovery]

(04-03-2016 04:32 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Is the new car good for banging girls inside it?

0% chance of dying from CO inhalation inside a Tesla.

So, absolutely.

[Saweeep]

(04-03-2016 04:32 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Is the new car good for banging girls inside it?

Well you can run the engine silently so better than a V8 for hiding out in dark corners...

[debeguiled]

(04-03-2016 04:32 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Is the new car good for banging girls inside it?

I think the answer might be yes.

Have you ever seen those videos of the race car drivers getting girls all excited by driving them around way too fast?

Teslas have an "Ludicrous Mode" that makes their car go 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car...8-seconds/

You could create the same level of excitement for her without having to spend years learning how to race a car.

There are a million videos of female reaction to this level of acceleration. I chose this one because it features two chicks.:

Best quotes:

Girl 1: "That's scary. That's ridiculous."
Girl 2: "Want to do it again."
Girl 1: "Oh God, yes."

[Latinopan]

Quote:

276k Model 3 orders by end of Sat

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/716693951260938241

At 1,000 down payment that is 276 million in a weekend, with the base price of the car is 35,000, that is 9,600,000,000, in the long run.

I may buy one in the future.

[dicknixon72]

Preston Tucker sold a lot of pre-production orders, too.

Hope Tesla can back this up. Selling and servicing a volume car is different than a boutique $100k+ fourth car where the answer to "What happens what it bricks in my driveway?" is "We'll come pick it up."

[el mechanico]

Probably have a screen on the dashboard that alerts the drivers about things that may offend them.

Over most heads here but DC current what can go wrong?

[Easy_C]

Like I've said elsewhere, this car still suffers from Tesla's primary problem:

It's made by SoCal Yuppies, for SoCal Yuppies.

The car has a number of severe issues. It doesn't really work in cold weather, the long charging times make cross-country travel prohibitely time consuming, it's still expensive for what you get, the car is atrocious for snow or unpaved roads, and it requires access to specialized service centers and infrastructure that are rare in most places.

These things won't bother you if you're say, a Google engineer living in Silicon Valley. For anyone living in a small to medium sized city in the Rocky Mountains or above (about) the 40th parallel these problems are dealbreakers.

[Belgrano]

(04-03-2016 08:47 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

The car has a number of severe issues. It doesn't really work in cold weather, the long charging times make cross-country travel prohibitely time consuming, it's still expensive for what you get, the car is atrocious for snow or unpaved roads, and it requires access to specialized service centers and infrastructure that are rare in most places.

Doesn't sound like a dealbreaker for west/east coast US, Western Europe, Japan, Korea and urban China.
I'd say that's enough of a market for the start.

[Latinopan]

(04-03-2016 04:52 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(04-03-2016 04:32 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Is the new car good for banging girls inside it?

I think the answer might be yes.

Have you ever seen those videos of the race car drivers getting girls all excited by driving them around way too fast?

Teslas have an "Ludicrous Mode" that makes their car go 0 to 60 in under 3 seconds.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car...8-seconds/

You could create the same level of excitement for her without having to spend years learning how to race a car.

There are a million videos of female reaction to this level of acceleration. I chose this one because it features two chicks.:

Best quotes:

Girl 1: "That's scary. That's ridiculous."
Girl 2: "Want to do it again."
Girl 1: "Oh God, yes."

Interesting enough, I read that over 90% of Tesla owners are men, this is something repeat all the time, men tend to be the early adopter of new technology, men were the majority of users of internet, then the majority of Facebook user base, twitter base, even when blackberry and Iphone were competing men were the user base, women always get into a technology after men have used.

Men take risks with new tech, women wait until is safe to use the tech.

Instant gina tingles....

[Cr33pin]

There are so many Telsa cars in HK it ridiculous.

[dicknixon72]

Possibly repeating a few bullet points here, but...
- Tesla doesn't release monthly sales figure. Musk waxes poetic some BS as to why not, but fact remains that every other OEM reports sales except for Tesla, meaning any Tesla retail performance is an extrapolated guess.
- Tesla's profit as of now is derived from selling CAFE credits to companies that need them, not the cars themselves.
- When GM, Toyota, Daimler, etc bring their market resources and - yes, Virginia - their deeply-penetrated dealer network to bear, Tesla will be relegated to a niche player.
- Unless your willing to deal with charge times, range limitations, servicability issues, and disgustingly high depreciation when the next-generation of your model debuts, this is a car for bleeding edge adptors that are also multiple car households.

Until there is a major shift in infrastructure, the electric car in this country is a 1 trick pony. Look at how much a used Nissan Leaf is worth for one.

[H1N1]

I think it's great. To try to respond to dicknixon72:

- I'd guess that Tesla is engaged with far more speculative R&D than other OEM's, and to release monthly sales figures would be either meaningless, or damaging to the company's share price. I run a company that does a lot of R&D with some cutting edge tech, and there are some months where my sales figures would look terrible, and some months where they would look too good to be true. To release figures monthly would be meaningless for a business like mine, and I suspect the same is true for Tesla.

- If you're involved in sharp end tech, you often have to make money where you can, in some respects doing things which are only incidental to your longer term plan, until such time as the technology is stable enough for you to really step on the gas (ho ho ho). For example, I'm releasing a product at the moment which is already gaining significant traction with all the right people. That said, the things this product is allowing us to work on and devote resources to are the things that could really make a big splash on the tech scene - these would far outstrip the success of a successful product.

- I suspect Tesla will be the tech leaders in this field to such an extent that the companies you mention find it more profitable to cut a deal with Tesla for their technology than to try to compete. I'd bet my house (which I don't own) that Tesla capture market share for all the stuff that matters in the electric car market.

- Only currently. Battery technology is one of the most highly funded areas of research around. Militaries and governments across the globe are spending very serious money funding massive amounts of innovation into battery tech. I think most of these problems will be solved in the very near future, and the viability of electric cars for the wider market will increase exponentially.

[weambulance]

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- Only currently. Battery technology is one of the most highly funded areas of research around. Militaries and governments across the globe are spending very serious money funding massive amounts of innovation into battery tech. I think most of these problems will be solved in the very near future, and the viability of electric cars for the wider market will increase exponentially.

I don't think any massive breakthroughs in battery technology are on the horizon. We might improve them for awhile longer, but we've only been making incremental improvements in battery technology for decades. I'm not an electrical engineer or expert on batteries, but it seems to me that we're trading stability and robustness for greater energy density. For example, the cutting-edge-chemistry batteries require special microcontroller-managed chargers or they do fun things like catch fire or explode. I could make a lead acid battery explode, but it would endure a lot more abuse than a LiPo.

Remember, batteries are a fairly mature technology. The first practical batteries were invented ~180 years ago. We already got our beginner gains, so to speak, and now we're just tweaking the details. Any major advancement in energy storage will require entirely new technology, I think, not simply more refinement of chemical-based batteries.

Electric cars seem to me to be neat toys and possibly good transportation for people with the right lifestyle in an area with cheap electricity--I knew a guy who had one that he would charge at work with the company's blessing--but I would never buy one except as a track toy.

I guess my cousin-in-law is buying one soon (not sure what make or model), so I'll have to see what he says about the practical limitations in daily use when I see him at Christmas.

[H1N1]

(04-04-2016 11:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- Only currently. Battery technology is one of the most highly funded areas of research around. Militaries and governments across the globe are spending very serious money funding massive amounts of innovation into battery tech. I think most of these problems will be solved in the very near future, and the viability of electric cars for the wider market will increase exponentially.

I don't think any massive breakthroughs in battery technology are on the horizon. We might improve them for awhile longer, but we've only been making incremental improvements in battery technology for decades. I'm not an electrical engineer or expert on batteries, but it seems to me that we're trading stability and robustness for greater energy density. For example, the cutting-edge-chemistry batteries require special microcontroller-managed chargers or they do fun things like catch fire or explode. I could make a lead acid battery explode, but it would endure a lot more abuse than a LiPo.

Remember, batteries are a fairly mature technology. The first practical batteries were invented ~180 years ago. We already got our beginner gains, so to speak, and now we're just tweaking the details. Any major advancement in energy storage will require entirely new technology, I think, not simply more refinement of chemical-based batteries.

Electric cars seem to me to be neat toys and possibly good transportation for people with the right lifestyle in an area with cheap electricity--I knew a guy who had one that he would charge at work with the company's blessing--but I would never buy one except as a track toy.

I guess my cousin-in-law is buying one soon (not sure what make or model), so I'll have to see what he says about the practical limitations in daily use when I see him at Christmas.

Perhaps. There are some interesting things being done with Polymer Lithium Sulfur batteries. These are generally pretty much inert (I've watched them have their polarity reversed, being shot, etc), and have roughly 5x the theoretical specific energy of Li-ion batteries. They have 100% available Depth-of-Discharge, aren't damaged by over discharge, indefinite shelf-life etc etc.

A Li-S cell basically has layers of Li metal anode, S based cathode (inc. carbon & polymer binder) and a non-flammable electrolyte. It weighs about 20% of what a LiPo battery ways. One of the criticisms of rechargable lithium metal systems is that they will sooner or later generate uncontrolled dendritic lithium. LiS electrolytes basically create a lithium sulfide film on metallic lithium. Lithium sulfide has a melting point of 938C.

[Captainstabbin]

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- I suspect Tesla will be the tech leaders in this field to such an extent that the companies you mention find it more profitable to cut a deal with Tesla for their technology than to try to compete. I'd bet my house (which I don't own) that Tesla capture market share for all the stuff that matters in the electric car market.

Except Tesla didn't develop their primary technology - the batteries. All of the stuff they developed on their own, the interior and car hardware, breaks repeatedly. He even jokes in the demo that the doors worked this time. People who own Teslas report the doors breaking, squeaks, leaks, air conditioning problems, etc, so often that Consumer Reports gave it below average ratings for reliability. And it's getting worse, not better. The new cars rolling off the line in 2015 had more problems than the 2014 model.

I like the idea of a battery powered car...sort of. Hell, I contacted a company wanting to invest in their personal electric aircraft! But Tesla needs to get their manufacturing house in order before I'm buying one, especially considering how much they brag about it being simpler than traditional cars. If that's true - and it is - then everything else should be flawless.

[Captainstabbin]

(04-04-2016 11:34 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

Perhaps. There are some interesting things being done with Polymer Lithium Sulfur batteries. These are generally pretty much inert (I've watched them have their polarity reversed, being shot, etc), and have roughly 5x the theoretical specific energy of Li-ion batteries. They have 100% available Depth-of-Discharge, aren't damaged by over discharge, indefinite shelf-life etc etc.

A Li-S cell basically has layers of Li metal anode, S based cathode (inc. carbon & polymer binder) and a non-flammable electrolyte. It weighs about 20% of what a LiPo battery ways. One of the criticisms of rechargable lithium metal systems is that they will sooner or later generate uncontrolled dendritic lithium. LiS electrolytes basically create a lithium sulfide film on metallic lithium. Lithium sulfide has a melting point of 938C.

I wonder how difficult it is for Tesla to adapt their gigafactory for newer battery tech. Would it be just minor changes or a complete (and expensive) retool?

[H1N1]

(04-04-2016 12:16 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- I suspect Tesla will be the tech leaders in this field to such an extent that the companies you mention find it more profitable to cut a deal with Tesla for their technology than to try to compete. I'd bet my house (which I don't own) that Tesla capture market share for all the stuff that matters in the electric car market.

Except Tesla didn't develop their primary technology - the batteries. All of the stuff they developed on their own, the interior and car hardware, breaks repeatedly. He even jokes in the demo that the doors worked this time. People who own Teslas report the doors breaking, squeaks, leaks, air conditioning problems, etc, so often that Consumer Reports gave it below average ratings for reliability. And it's getting worse, not better. The new cars rolling off the line in 2015 had more problems than the 2014 model.

I like the idea of a battery powered car...sort of. Hell, I contacted a company wanting to invest in their personal electric aircraft! But Tesla needs to get their manufacturing house in order before I'm buying one, especially considering how much they brag about it being simpler than traditional cars. If that's true - and it is - then everything else should be flawless.

Respectfully, there are a lot of assumptions you are making:

Who says the battery tech is their primary technology? If they don't make it, it is by definition not their primary tech. If I build some kind of tech device, do I not make my primary technology if I use an ARM microprocessor to drive it? If the answer is no, yet I make a lot of money and the product is revolutionary, how much does 'primary technology' matter?

The reality is that most successful and innovative companies make use of available technology to deliver something new.

Tesla will 'win' as much as anything because they are the ones taking the risks and making the waves. You don't hear about other companies problems, because noone gives a shit, and consequently they aren't getting the kind of feedback that lets them rapidly optimise a system. Tesla has far more data to work with than any other electric car manufacturer, and they seem to be led by a guy who really knows what he is doing. If that's the case, Tesla will almost certainly win out.

[Latinopan]

(04-04-2016 11:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- Only currently. Battery technology is one of the most highly funded areas of research around. Militaries and governments across the globe are spending very serious money funding massive amounts of innovation into battery tech. I think most of these problems will be solved in the very near future, and the viability of electric cars for the wider market will increase exponentially.

I don't think any massive breakthroughs in battery technology are on the horizon.

First mobile phones could barely last more than 15 minutes of speaking, and were big as a brick, today phones can last hours reproduction video while doing countless tasks in the background and are more thin than a pencil with 100 times more hardware than the firs phone.

[weambulance]

(04-04-2016 02:54 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 11:10 AM)weambulance Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- Only currently. Battery technology is one of the most highly funded areas of research around. Militaries and governments across the globe are spending very serious money funding massive amounts of innovation into battery tech. I think most of these problems will be solved in the very near future, and the viability of electric cars for the wider market will increase exponentially.

I don't think any massive breakthroughs in battery technology are on the horizon.

First mobile phones could barely last more than 15 minutes of speaking, and were big as a brick, today phones can last hours reproduction video while doing countless tasks in the background and are more thin than a pencil with 100 times more hardware than the firs phone.

Computers are much, much more efficient and much smaller now than they used to be. It's not all battery improvements. At a rough guess, 50%+ of the internal volume of a smartphone is the battery. My brand new smartphone has a battery that's probably 2.5-3x the volume of the battery in my first cell phone.

Like I said, we've been making incremental improvements. 5% a year adds up. Our internal combustion engines have been getting slightly more powerful and efficient every year too, and I think we're just as unlikely to see any major leap in ICE design as we are in batteries.

Let's be realistic here. For electronic cars to really compete with regular ICE cars, they need to have (among other things) decent range and be quick to charge. And that last part is the real trick. I can refill my F250 in 10 minutes including taking a leak and make it another 600 miles on the highway with fuel left over. If I want to add fuel capacity, I can buy a bed tank for $1000 and increase my range to 2500 miles.

One of these Teslas would take something like 19 hours of charging time for 600 miles of travel, and has a hard upper range limit. Maybe they could have battery swap stations, and just plop in a new power pack... but obviously that's logistically unfeasible at this point, and lack of standardization plus danger in handling the big battery packs will probably mean that never happens (and of course, the vehicle design precludes it anyway).

[Captainstabbin]

(04-04-2016 02:53 PM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 12:16 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(04-04-2016 10:29 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

- I suspect Tesla will be the tech leaders in this field to such an extent that the companies you mention find it more profitable to cut a deal with Tesla for their technology than to try to compete. I'd bet my house (which I don't own) that Tesla capture market share for all the stuff that matters in the electric car market.

Except Tesla didn't develop their primary technology - the batteries. All of the stuff they developed on their own, the interior and car hardware, breaks repeatedly. He even jokes in the demo that the doors worked this time. People who own Teslas report the doors breaking, squeaks, leaks, air conditioning problems, etc, so often that Consumer Reports gave it below average ratings for reliability. And it's getting worse, not better. The new cars rolling off the line in 2015 had more problems than the 2014 model.

I like the idea of a battery powered car...sort of. Hell, I contacted a company wanting to invest in their personal electric aircraft! But Tesla needs to get their manufacturing house in order before I'm buying one, especially considering how much they brag about it being simpler than traditional cars. If that's true - and it is - then everything else should be flawless.

Respectfully, there are a lot of assumptions you are making:

Who says the battery tech is their primary technology? If they don't make it, it is by definition not their primary tech. If I build some kind of tech device, do I not make my primary technology if I use an ARM microprocessor to drive it? If the answer is no, yet I make a lot of money and the product is revolutionary, how much does 'primary technology' matter?

The reality is that most successful and innovative companies make use of available technology to deliver something new.

Tesla will 'win' as much as anything because they are the ones taking the risks and making the waves. You don't hear about other companies problems, because noone gives a shit, and consequently they aren't getting the kind of feedback that lets them rapidly optimise a system. Tesla has far more data to work with than any other electric car manufacturer, and they seem to be led by a guy who really knows what he is doing. If that's the case, Tesla will almost certainly win out.

What would say is the technology that other companies would pay for?