[rozayINTL]

Dash for what it's worth, you are right about uptown Charlotte - it does have some of the richest/most stylish guys in NC... emphasis though on NC.. Regardless, I should have just said substance, and not even mentioned style. There are stylish and rich guys everywhere. I could very likely be one of the guys working and living in that area of Charlotte after I graduate (that is if my options abroad don't pan out & I need to build up investment money), so I don't want to bash on that part of the city. But you might know better than I do, that the demographic you described is full of cookie-cutter ex-frat boys who have no international experience and nothing to offer past money. Having money and game, and a different type of vibe then what most Charlotte girls are used to (I agree some are bitches, but mostly the ones who come from serious money, and that is anywhere) - it would be deadly. I think Charlotte is in the top 3 on this list hands down.

And I will also admit that being in college I haven't experienced much of the upscale nightlife scene there, so you are in a much better position to judge that. However in my current social situation/age group, it is too easy, and I will stand by that.

Also I apologize for the earlier error, didn't read my post soon enough to edit it.

[Dash Global]

@rozayINTL

When Im in Charlotte I dont even fuck with most of uptown status clubs. I like to focus my attack on the strickly college bars and under 21 clubs. There is alill section of the ampatheatre (sp?) that is mainly what im talking about. When I REALLY wanna get a DTF chick and have a good time I go to Coyote Joes for the 1-2-3 nights on either friday or saterday! Huge country club that gets packed with tons of friendly chicks all looking to get drunk and have a good time! Cant beat the dollar beers, two dollar wells, and three dollar top shelf drinks! I also enjoy hitting up the latin clubs in Charlotte as im always the ONLY white guy in the joint!

[rozayINTL]

haha, nice man. then we have similar tastes, maybe our perceptions are different... I still have a lot to experience there, and basically everywhere. I am not afraid to admit that. Just giving my take though.. I am going to PM you about another place in NC. That is genius about the latin clubs. I don't doubt you would be the only white person there, seriously. I bet they are a blast. We need an MLS team in Charlotte... that's a whole different discussion though **it would never happen

[whosyourdaddy]

(05-26-2011 07:59 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 07:05 PM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

(05-23-2011 07:05 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

(05-23-2011 05:48 PM)Caramel Communist Wrote:  

Chicago - yep good choice compared to other major metro's...but it gets cold
Dallas -excellent choice
Houston-solid choice esp for cost of living
Kansas City - a fucking dump...don't even (st louis - detroit as well)
Atlanta - excellent choice..can not go wrong...but the traffic is crazy
Tampa Bay - fuck no...
San Antonio - cost of living is great - women fuck no
Nashville -starting to sizzle...could be a great choice..i've heard nothing but good things from my friends
Charlotte - tight labor market..everybody moved down in the 90's - 2000's...cost of living is good and the women are good
Oklahoma City - it's Oklahoma..mobile home capital..nope

also consider
Austin, Phoenix, South Florida although the job market is tight, and New Orleans

Thank you so much for the feedback. I really appreciate it. Glad to here that Dallas and Houston are good. I'm a bit surprised and let down by San Antonio. I wonder what happens w/OK City - all the girls who I meet in DC from there are usually very cute.

Just so you know, the cities that I picked were intentional. They were cities with relatively small or no real estate bubbles (either current or in the past), and seem to not have been completely trashed by the recession. Hence, I deliberately left out Austin, Phoenix, S Fl, and New Orleans.

-Austin is recession proof: Has state governement, big ass university, strong tech scene and restaurants. I got family that live there and they were shocked when reading about other ciites because Austin just kept puttering...

-Phoenix...just has a ton of beautiful women period. You would be stunned at the quality in scottsdale and tempe. Plus you have access to Cali for expediitions...You can get foreclosed homes at low low prices. Only problem with Phoenix is that mass transit does not exist..

For Austin, I'm more worried about a real estate bubble starting there. The real estate prices are considerably higher than the rest of Texas, for no good geographical reason. As far as I can tell, Austinites refuse to build any transport (either highways or rail) and probably put in land use restrictions to prevent the construction of new housing so current land owners can jack up rents.

Phoenix could easily have another bubble due to federal water use restrictions.

I'm not arguing about the women. I'm just trying to find the sweet spot between beautiful women, affordable real estate, and gainful employment. Austin, especially, worries me.

After growing up in DC, I want out of real estate musical chairs. It sucks seeing all of your money go down the hole for something that should cost half of what you pay.

For your 3 requirements, can't go wrong with houston, dallas and atlanta. Honorable mention to raleigh/charlotte, if you prefer a smaller city, or if you want to be closer to dc and/or family/friends.

Other places like Phoenix and Vegas have women and relatively decent costs, but poor employment prospects.

[Vicious]

I'm planning to visit NA soon as I've experienced my Nordic edge and type of game to work well there (the plunging dollar helps as well). I'm looking around on Okcupid now trying to get a feel for the average hotness rating in various areas. Sadly Chicago which everyone is recommending highly here does not seem to have a very high degree of hotties.

Granted, this is the internet but I've experienced it to give a good representation of the overall field of women in a given area.

[thegmanifesto]

Vicious -

"I'm looking around on Okcupid now trying to get a feel for the average hotness rating in various areas. Sadly Chicago which everyone is recommending highly here does not seem to have a very high degree of hotties."

That is an inaccurate gauge then.

Chicago has tons of fly girls. Way more than many other cities that people claim have hot girls.

Let's put it this way, the hottest girl I met in LA when I was back there during March was visiting from Chicago.

[Moma]

(05-27-2011 01:45 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I'm planning to visit NA soon as I've experienced my Nordic edge and type of game to work well there (the plunging dollar helps as well). I'm looking around on Okcupid now trying to get a feel for the average hotness rating in various areas. Sadly Chicago which everyone is recommending highly here does not seem to have a very high degree of hotties.

Granted, this is the internet but I've experienced it to give a good representation of the overall field of women in a given area.

May I ask where your homebase is, please?

[Vicious]

(05-27-2011 10:04 AM)Moma Wrote:  

May I ask where your homebase is, please?

Gothenburg, Sweden.

[playa_with_a_passport]

(05-26-2011 12:09 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

Roosh

I was trying to make the point that everything Ive heard about Montevideo is GREAT ie low cost of living, great scenery/architecture, nice weather, and that my ONLY concern had to deal with how style conscious and DTF the local girls were. Was wanting someone with the scoop on Montevideo to chime in and give their opinion or thoughts on the matter.

Trolling?!? lol Ive been on this forum for 2 years, drop knowledge on Brazil, Mexico, Colombia and Costa Rica. Going to Asia in a few months and will be be dropping a ton of info on Central Asia and SE Asia in the following yr. I have opinions and info on other countries that I have yet to been to and I like to discuss them. It is getting annoying with all the recent forum police heckling me over a few comments made about Peru and SE Asia. Its like im on a forum with a bunch a kids "You didnt go there so you shouldnt comment or drop knowledge on it" Get over yourself. Funny thing is the posters that were actually there and tried to call me out got called out in in return as other posters backup my second hand knowledge over their first hand knowledge. Im done commenting on this further as it is getting pretty old over the last 2 days.

Dash you should stop getting defensive and take the constructive criticism that forum members are giving you. Furthermore, I hate to join the piñata party on you bro, but not only did you do it on Peru and SE Asia but also before your trip to Colombia(you done it before that too but I am too lazy to go thru your post). You put up Data Sheets weeks before you arrived to those spots. I actually scanned thru the Santa Marta sheet and didn't realize you haven't been there until I read it a third time. Its becoming to the point that every time you write something I have to use the search option to check whether you have actually been there or not. Nobody is saying that you can't drop factual "knowledge"(Time zone, currency, train schedules) on place unless you have been there. However, you have to admit that's its a little silly to have strong opinions (i.e. how stylish and DTF girls are )about a spot just on second hand information regardless of how reliable it appears to you. For example, I have read here several times how "Brothas kill it in Sweden" However, I am not going to be commenting or worse yet give advice about how DTF Swedes are for the BBC's because I have never been there.

[Dash Global]

@PlayawitaPass

I def will take some constructive criticism that is legit. Like me clarifying opinion/2nd/1st hand knowledge in my posts. That I concur. Also the Colombia Sheets was mainly just a LIST of clubs. I only posted them because I saw some ppl that said they where going and thought they could use the info.

You mean to tell me if you have a black friend that wants to go swoop blonde chicks your not gonna recommend him to go to Sweden?!? Get the fuck out of here. Thats fucking common knowledge to anyone that is travel/women savvy.

Furthermore I hope people are not jumping on a plane and going somewhere solely off of one posters comment on this forum. If they are they are an idiot. Everyone should take what they hear and see on here with a grain of salt as many people will exaggerate on locations and women and some will down play a city due to personal preferences.

Key is to gather AS MUCH info as possible through TONS of sources and make a legit conclusion for yourself.

My issue is with ppl getting their panties in a wad with me making a general comment like "white guys will do well in Peru". Thats common knowledge. I could understand If I was saying shit that was obviously wrong/misleading and in mal intent.

With all that said I will try and keep my some of my opinions on places I havent been to a minimum.

[Vicious]

(05-27-2011 09:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

That is an inaccurate gauge then.

Chicago has tons of fly girls. Way more than many other cities that people claim have hot girls.

While I do not doubt your judgement these are two diametrically opposed, subjective opinions. As you have on site experience I'll give you the edge, but this has got me thinking about how to quantify the average hotness level in an area. I'll make a new thread on this subject.

[Hokie30]

(05-24-2011 06:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Speak -

Ha. Reading your description, the only thing that was coming to mind was Barcelona, then you said it.

I keep on wanting someone to come up with a better place than Spain for me to check out on here but everyone always seems to shoot blanks when I pose the question.

Anyone?

Yes, check out Vienna, Austria. Sure, the climate is cool (not Chicago cold though) but the city has 100s of years of history, great economy (better than Barcelona's), one of the most advanced and modern metro systems in all of Europe, diversity, and women galore! Also, I went there 2 years ago and even with my barely passable HS German which was good enough to ask "sprechen sie Englisch" I was able to communicate easily with all women I spoke to (primarily stuck to the <25 age group).

[coronel nacimento]

please my fellow american brothers. please travel to better and foreign shores no matter what city you live in. this is what good decent warrior american men are dying and fighting for. what a shame,
http://www.us.cnn.com/2011/US/05/26/cnnh...tml?hpt=C1

[iknowexactly]

(05-27-2011 01:45 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Sadly Chicago which everyone is recommending highly here does not seem to have a very high degree of hotties.

Wrong, lots of cute Irish-American and German-American girls who are sweet and less paranoid than Cali and NY chicks.
Much less frantic and panicked pace than NY/Frisco LA.

My guess is this has to do with the subtle psychological effects of constantly, endlessly increasing populations in Frisco/LA.

[thegmanifesto]

(05-27-2011 07:50 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

(05-24-2011 06:49 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Speak -

Ha. Reading your description, the only thing that was coming to mind was Barcelona, then you said it.

I keep on wanting someone to come up with a better place than Spain for me to check out on here but everyone always seems to shoot blanks when I pose the question.

Anyone?

Yes, check out Vienna, Austria. Sure, the climate is cool (not Chicago cold though) but the city has 100s of years of history, great economy (better than Barcelona's), one of the most advanced and modern metro systems in all of Europe, diversity, and women galore! Also, I went there 2 years ago and even with my barely passable HS German which was good enough to ask "sprechen sie Englisch" I was able to communicate easily with all women I spoke to (primarily stuck to the <25 age group).

Hokie, I will check it out.

Kind of a rough spot when it comes to beaches though.

[gringochileno]

We had some nice summer weather today in Chicago and I saw a lot of hot chicks walking around on Michigan Avenue and around Lincoln Park. The talent level here is definitely underrated, probably because you don't see them very much during the brutal winter months.

[choichoi]

(05-26-2011 11:55 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(05-25-2011 11:50 PM)choichoi Wrote:  

Clubs in downtown ATL close pretty early (3am) and there's no alcohol sales on Sunday although you can go to a bar, restaurant, etc.

Bloody bible belt. Is it true that the backshot is illegal in some Southern States?

They've been pushing to get that law turned over but it's been a hot debate for decades. The new gub-nah is giving us a shimmer of hope after the bill passed one of the houses.

[Entropy4]

One thing that's sorely missing from this discussion is logistics. Any guy who pulls as knows, that good logistics are almost as good as game when it comes to getting laid that night. A lot of the cities mentioned have hot girls, but they have terrible logistics.

Places like Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc., you have to drive 20-30 minutes between clubs, look for parking, and most of the girls live out in the burbs which are like 45 minutes away. You have to deal with designated drivers and there are few after-hours spots.

Cities like Austin, Nashville and Orlando are nice because they have centralized locations where ALL of the bars and clubs are, so you don't have to hop in and out of your car all the time. I like Austin a lot (it's my hometown), it offers GREAT value for a night out ($2-3 drinks are pretty standard, almost no cover anywhere), but my complaints are that it's very social circle oriented because it's such a college town, and the nights don't really get going there until like 11-12, despite everything closing at 2. So you only have a couple hours to really work with. And yes, Austin is over-valued right now and has some major traffic and logistical problems growing. There are entire condos downtown that are half empty because the developers spent way too much building them and get people to pay the absurd high prices (we're talking like Manhattan prices almost).

Of this list, Chicago has the best logistics and gets my vote: condensed city, good public transport, 2-3 spots where all of the bars and clubs are, so you can walk between them, and some bars and clubs go until 3 or 4 in the morning. I was there in July and the nightlife was not as good as I remember it, but there's still some stuff to work with. Definitely not on the same level as NYC, LA and Miami, but it's the next level down.

Minneapolis is an underrated spot as well. Decent quality, good logistics, friendly girls. Like a smaller version of Chicago.

[beta_plus]

(01-06-2012 07:42 PM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

One thing that's sorely missing from this discussion is logistics. Any guy who pulls as knows, that good logistics are almost as good as game when it comes to getting laid that night. A lot of the cities mentioned have hot girls, but they have terrible logistics.

Places like Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, etc., you have to drive 20-30 minutes between clubs, look for parking, and most of the girls live out in the burbs which are like 45 minutes away. You have to deal with designated drivers and there are few after-hours spots.

Cities like Austin, Nashville and Orlando are nice because they have centralized locations where ALL of the bars and clubs are, so you don't have to hop in and out of your car all the time. I like Austin a lot (it's my hometown), it offers GREAT value for a night out ($2-3 drinks are pretty standard, almost no cover anywhere), but my complaints are that it's very social circle oriented because it's such a college town, and the nights don't really get going there until like 11-12, despite everything closing at 2. So you only have a couple hours to really work with. And yes, Austin is over-valued right now and has some major traffic and logistical problems growing. There are entire condos downtown that are half empty because the developers spent way too much building them and get people to pay the absurd high prices (we're talking like Manhattan prices almost).

Of this list, Chicago has the best logistics and gets my vote: condensed city, good public transport, 2-3 spots where all of the bars and clubs are, so you can walk between them, and some bars and clubs go until 3 or 4 in the morning. I was there in July and the nightlife was not as good as I remember it, but there's still some stuff to work with. Definitely not on the same level as NYC, LA and Miami, but it's the next level down.

Minneapolis is an underrated spot as well. Decent quality, good logistics, friendly girls. Like a smaller version of Chicago.

That's a really good point. I don't need a lot of space (I'm quite happy w/a 600 sq ft 1-Br apartment). I just need to not be bled dry by it. Maybe I'll reconsider Austin.

[timmy21]

My west isnt represented, my gosh Albuquerque is a real nice city, many gorgous latinas, and Denver has some great clubs, and lots of beautiful girls, and if you're into granola girls, the natural look this is the place. and Salt Lake City, lots of beautiful girls, skiing is just 20 minutes away, a large university, and contrary to popular belief, Salt Lake is a very liberal city.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-07-2012 09:00 AM)timmy21 Wrote:  

My west isnt represented, my gosh Albuquerque is a real nice city, many gorgous latinas, and Denver has some great clubs, and lots of beautiful girls, and if you're into granola girls, the natural look this is the place. and Salt Lake City, lots of beautiful girls, skiing is just 20 minutes away, a large university, and contrary to popular belief, Salt Lake is a very liberal city.

I have never really spent anytime in the above cities but I have heard from trusted friends they are all beyond horrible.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt though.

Bust out a detailed Data Sheet on each.

Especially, Albuquerque as I have heard the least amount of negatives.

Break down where you meet the "many gorgous latinas".

Thanks.

[scorpio]

I've spent a few months in Utah for work. There's a lot of hot girls there, but they're mostly Mormon so....

It's not tough to find girls at the caliber of Jon Huntsman's daughters (same girl, two different pix):
      




Nightlife sucks. Bars are required to charge you a cover as a "membership fee" to get in. The best strip for nightlife in the whole state of Utah is the main street of Park City, UT. And honestly, it's not even that good. Utah doesn't deserve a data sheet at all.

[jeffmarketcap2002]

I'm 36 and I've lived in Chicago for 13 years. It's an awesome city. I've had some great times here. But I have to say the women are a bit on the stuck up side. I have friends visit from out of town and they say the same thing. Maybe because we are getting old and we still chase the girls in their early 20's. LOL. I'm actually pretty surprised it was number 1 in the poll. Plus things are expensive in the city. I own a condo on the River and my condo fees have doubled over the past 10 years. This city will milk your wallet. But I have no regrets. I do love it here.

[iknowexactly]

(05-27-2011 06:51 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-27-2011 09:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

That is an inaccurate gauge then.

Chicago has tons of fly girls. Way more than many other cities that people claim have hot girls.

While I do not doubt your judgement these are two diametrically opposed, subjective opinions. As you have on site experience I'll give you the edge, but this has got me thinking about how to quantify the average hotness level in an area. I'll make a new thread on this subject.

Blond, pure Northern European chicks with relaxed, non-snobby attitudes. I've been there and I very specifically scan for that type. Minneapolis as well. If you are into light skinned white girls without the entitled attitude it's a great place.

The guy who commented above about girls getting more snobby, since you live there I'll defer to your opinion on that, but you may agree that American/Westernized girls are more and more strict about guys being very close in age.

They want that perpetual-youth, everything is an endless party feeling, and guys in their late 30's start to lose that appeal for them in that area.

[Merenguero]

(02-13-2013 07:28 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(05-27-2011 06:51 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(05-27-2011 09:48 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

That is an inaccurate gauge then.

Chicago has tons of fly girls. Way more than many other cities that people claim have hot girls.

While I do not doubt your judgement these are two diametrically opposed, subjective opinions. As you have on site experience I'll give you the edge, but this has got me thinking about how to quantify the average hotness level in an area. I'll make a new thread on this subject.

Blond, pure Northern European chicks with relaxed, non-snobby attitudes. I've been there and I very specifically scan for that type. Minneapolis as well. If you are into light skinned white girls without the entitled attitude it's a great place.

I keep hearing these positive things about Minneapolis. I think I need to get there soon. Incidently, I met a complete knockout girl (top five I have ever met or seen in my life) from there a few weeks back who was a complete social retard.