I've been reflecting on this concept as of late. After reading about ego-investment from Rollo, I'm rethinking the whole concept of being genuine. Maybe we feel a certain action we take is more genuine only because of the amount of ego-investment we've put into that action and the beliefs surrounding it. I'm now leaning towards the belief that most thought constructs that you viscerally believe are "you," are more fluid than you think. What do you guys think?
Sincerity
I started out my live with the notion that being genuine to everyone I meet is the best way to live. After 30 some years I've revised that notion to be...be genuine to any men, butch lesbians, and ugly or fat women that you meet.
To attractive women, or women that think they are attractive, be simple and direct. Speak concisely. On the whole they are incredibly ego centric and 'truth fluid' meaning the facts, or why something is happening doesn't matter...they will create a narrative in their own heads for that. No long romantic drawn out speech about why you have decided to go on a date with them. "I am going to the bar to have a drink, if you want to come along I'll be there at 7:30" is sufficient. No "I think you are pretty etc" the WHY doesn't ever matter. "I am breaking up with, move your stuff out by the 1st" is all you need to say...no long winded speech.
To attractive women, or women that think they are attractive, be simple and direct. Speak concisely. On the whole they are incredibly ego centric and 'truth fluid' meaning the facts, or why something is happening doesn't matter...they will create a narrative in their own heads for that. No long romantic drawn out speech about why you have decided to go on a date with them. "I am going to the bar to have a drink, if you want to come along I'll be there at 7:30" is sufficient. No "I think you are pretty etc" the WHY doesn't ever matter. "I am breaking up with, move your stuff out by the 1st" is all you need to say...no long winded speech.
Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
Deep post for the newb board.
What you say might be true, but how does it affect your game in the moment of truth?
What are the practical implications if true, and if not true?
WIA
What you say might be true, but how does it affect your game in the moment of truth?
What are the practical implications if true, and if not true?
WIA
I feel like with every approach I'm investing ego into a more effective way to game (lines, thoughts, and beliefs) and slowly stripping away past constructs that feel just as genuine as the new ones (usually more so).
Quote: (05-05-2015 05:47 PM)Alfa Wrote:
I feel like with every approach I'm investing ego into a more effective way to game (lines, thoughts, and beliefs) and slowly stripping away past constructs that feel just as genuine as the new ones (usually more so).
So it's making you feel better about approaching.
Has it changed your
- approach rate
- initial feedback after the first few seconds of the approach
- how she handles the opener
- the transition
- whether she opens?
I'd be careful of words like "genuine" and "construct"
Words have a ton of power in that they shape the way you approach the world.
Before long you're going to be saying "authentic" and "real". Feel good words are important so that you enjoy the process of meeting women, but as soon as you say "real" that begs the question of what is "fake".
Before a man actively started to talk to woman, was he fake?
He was as real as he could be. Doing what he liked.
When he does something new, is he being real or fake?
Lots of keyboard jockey/male hamster stuff.
The end goal is to enjoy the process of meeting women, communicating, asserting yourself, guiding and leading her to a wonderful time with you.
Good stuff so far Alfa.
WIA
Well you know, I believe action shapes thought, not the other way around. But I will say that not using contrived lines outside of the opener has always resulted in a better conversation.
Alfa- Are you doing the program that Roosh suggested? If so, where are you at currently?
If I am reading you right, I think I know what you are saying. I think one of Rollo's post talked about how we even came to have the values that we do, i.e. they were learned and not really our own and any RM or RVF ideas are going to not feel genuine at first because we weren't brought up that way.
It's kind of strange when I think about feeling "genuine" now that you mention it. I think a good question to answer is what WIA asked about "initial feedback after the first few seconds of the approach". This is the biggest thing that game has changed for me. I can't say that I know for sure I'll get the notch, but I definitely know when the vibe is and isn't there and I either escalate or move on. Everything I am doing now feels like I am simply being a more fun version of my original self, probably because I AM having more fun!
I actually went back and read jariel's Real Talk on Loser Females and Fake Dimes again tonight. I am learning that I am the sincere one. I am presenting myself better. But my time is valuable. If she flakes, rejects, whatever, I'm ready for it. No big deal, I'll get some more numbers next time I'm out. There's no sadness or frustration, I just work on me in my free time. I'm having a much better closing percentage now at 35 than I ever did in my 20's. It has taken about 2 years to unplug myself from my old ways, but I feel as genuine/sincere as ever. I'm nice to who I want to be nice to. I'm an a-hole to those that need it. I feel no pressure by family or society to find a LTR/Marriage girl. I have fun until it stops being fun. Most importantly, I go for the bang even if I am currently banging one on the regular. No more "one girl at a time" nonsense.
If I am reading you right, I think I know what you are saying. I think one of Rollo's post talked about how we even came to have the values that we do, i.e. they were learned and not really our own and any RM or RVF ideas are going to not feel genuine at first because we weren't brought up that way.
It's kind of strange when I think about feeling "genuine" now that you mention it. I think a good question to answer is what WIA asked about "initial feedback after the first few seconds of the approach". This is the biggest thing that game has changed for me. I can't say that I know for sure I'll get the notch, but I definitely know when the vibe is and isn't there and I either escalate or move on. Everything I am doing now feels like I am simply being a more fun version of my original self, probably because I AM having more fun!
I actually went back and read jariel's Real Talk on Loser Females and Fake Dimes again tonight. I am learning that I am the sincere one. I am presenting myself better. But my time is valuable. If she flakes, rejects, whatever, I'm ready for it. No big deal, I'll get some more numbers next time I'm out. There's no sadness or frustration, I just work on me in my free time. I'm having a much better closing percentage now at 35 than I ever did in my 20's. It has taken about 2 years to unplug myself from my old ways, but I feel as genuine/sincere as ever. I'm nice to who I want to be nice to. I'm an a-hole to those that need it. I feel no pressure by family or society to find a LTR/Marriage girl. I have fun until it stops being fun. Most importantly, I go for the bang even if I am currently banging one on the regular. No more "one girl at a time" nonsense.
Yup 96 in on first day cycle.
Thanks for the words. It's inspiring to know people steps ahead are actualizing the hunches I'm just now coming to.
Thanks for the words. It's inspiring to know people steps ahead are actualizing the hunches I'm just now coming to.
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