[Feldeinsamkeit]

Here's an article in English that may be of interest to quite a few guys on here when wondering about which city has the best ratio of women to men of fertile age in Poland. I've actually also managed to corroborate some of the findings from sources on purely Polish websites, so I believe the data is accurate. Here's the link:

http://sz-n.com/2014/01/the-city-by-city...g-singles/

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

That's an interesting site. Though the high number for Warsaw (109 females / 100 males) seems to contradict what Roosh wrote in Bang Poland about Warsaw attracting many of the working males within Poland leading to worse ratios (the "Toronto of Eastern Europe," he called it.)

HSLD

[TripleG]

I confirm what Roosh mentioned. While Warsaw might not necessarily be "Toronto of Eastern Europe" it is definitely a tough city and for experienced players. I visited it in summer of 2013. Got numbers in cafes and wine bars while I was there but got blown out in the clubs. 0 exotic foreigner factor was experienced, I used the NYC line while evening-gaming on the trams and that went nowhere. Lot's of foreigners in clubs/discos and ratio was around 50/50 most places i went

[Brodiaga]

(05-01-2015 09:58 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

I confirm what Roosh mentioned. While Warsaw might not necessarily be "Toronto of Eastern Europe" it is definitely a tough city and for experienced players. I visited it in summer of 2013. Got numbers in cafes and wine bars while I was there but got blown out in the clubs. 0 exotic foreigner factor was experienced, I used the NYC line while evening-gaming on the trams and that went nowhere. Lot's of foreigners in clubs/discos and ratio was around 50/50 most places i went

What is the NYC line?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2015 09:58 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

I confirm what Roosh mentioned. While Warsaw might not necessarily be "Toronto of Eastern Europe" it is definitely a tough city and for experienced players. I visited it in summer of 2013. Got numbers in cafes and wine bars while I was there but got blown out in the clubs. 0 exotic foreigner factor was experienced, I used the NYC line while evening-gaming on the trams and that went nowhere. Lot's of foreigners in clubs/discos and ratio was around 50/50 most places i went

Here the list:

I put the cities in bold which have even better real ratios, since most students don't change official addresses in Poland (plenty of rural girls only study there - in the holidays they are gone and the cities are pussy-dry).

Quote:

Warsaw 109.4

Olsztyn 109

Lublin 105.8

Cracow 105.9

Toruń 105.4

Wrocław 104.8

Poznań 104.6

Gdańsk 103.5

Opole 103.2

Zielona Góra 103

Rzeszów 102

Łódź 101.9

Bydgoszcz 101.4

Białystok 101

Gorzów Wlkp 99.9

Szczecin 99.8

Kielce 98.6

Katowice 97.5

Warsaw has become extremely bad at night. During the day however it is a pure pussy-fest. Club Game has mostly become a joke in Poland. From Wednesday on the prettiest girls are paid dancers (who get paid 100zl for a couple of hours of dancing). The clubs are doing that because no one goes. Also the women you can pick up at night have become older - 25+ since the main demographic has edged up. The local rich guys organize parties at their own places which attract the hotties who want to go out. The alternative is to go around the street Nowy Swiat and pick up girls there. But it all pales to Daygame.

You have better chances in other cities.

The gender ratios are crazy good in comparison to all Western countries. The worst city Katowice is probably still better than ALL WESTERN CITIES except maybe for some exceptions like NYC.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-01-2015 07:30 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

That's an interesting site. Though the high number for Warsaw (109 females / 100 males) seems to contradict what Roosh wrote in Bang Poland about Warsaw attracting many of the working males within Poland leading to worse ratios (the "Toronto of Eastern Europe," he called it.)

HSLD

Yes, I take your point, but I think you need to consider both sides of the demand/supply equation here, i.e. not just focus on the relative numerical abundance of women in the capital. In Warsaw, your competition as a man in terms of other high status men is going to be at its highest I suspect, given that Warsaw will have the highest percentage of high-rolling guys in terms of overall wealth/income/status in the whole of the country. So, the lift that a Western guy gets from the "Busted Dude" effect in Poland is going to be probably at its minimum in Warsaw, a factor which you'd be unwise to ignore and which I'd previously underestimated in terms of its effect on the sociosexual market dynamics in any country. Furthermore, the novelty factor of being from the UK/US/insert other Western state is also going to be at its minimum in the capital, since it's no great shakes for a girl to come across a guy from London or Los Angeles here anymore.

[TripleG]

(05-01-2015 10:01 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 09:58 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

I confirm what Roosh mentioned. While Warsaw might not necessarily be "Toronto of Eastern Europe" it is definitely a tough city and for experienced players. I visited it in summer of 2013. Got numbers in cafes and wine bars while I was there but got blown out in the clubs. 0 exotic foreigner factor was experienced, I used the NYC line while evening-gaming on the trams and that went nowhere. Lot's of foreigners in clubs/discos and ratio was around 50/50 most places i went

What is the NYC line?

I play a "lost tourist" from NYC looking for directions. Frequently I know the location of the local coffee shop, monument, restaurant, etc. i'm looking for but still ask about it to break the ice, then depending on how the conversation go's try to go for the number close quickly.

[allaround]

(05-01-2015 07:30 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

That's an interesting site. Though the high number for Warsaw (109 females / 100 males) seems to contradict what Roosh wrote in Bang Poland about Warsaw attracting many of the working males within Poland leading to worse ratios (the "Toronto of Eastern Europe," he called it.)

HSLD

The Polish section of the Singles Atlas reports the same numbers for Warsaw, http://singlesatlas.com/poland

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-02-2015 07:00 PM)allaround Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 07:30 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

That's an interesting site. Though the high number for Warsaw (109 females / 100 males) seems to contradict what Roosh wrote in Bang Poland about Warsaw attracting many of the working males within Poland leading to worse ratios (the "Toronto of Eastern Europe," he called it.)

HSLD

The Polish section of the Singles Atlas reports the same numbers for Warsaw, http://singlesatlas.com/poland

They are obviously taken from the UN statistics which are a heap of turds mixed with piss.

According to them Czech Republic is one of the worst places for Game and the US is equal to Poland. Ireland should be a heaven for men. The UN statistics usually completely ignore immigrants, EU-working immigrants, the fattening of the female piglets and other measures which restrict the pool of eligible women to such degrees that China is a superior choice.

Part of Warsaw not being so good is due to the fact that many men work there, also many foreigners - the real ratios are much worse. The NYC comparison is lacking, since by my own estimates the ratios are male-dominated, you find plenty of hot young girls, but the entitlement there is high for any woman who lives there for longer than 2 years. If you find a very young one who moved there shortly, then that's a different thing. Other cities lack that kind of delusion.

As far as the official country and UN gender statistics are concerned - they are at best a proxy and the field reports of guys with Game are a better sign. You can spoof your Tinder or online dating accounts and see for yourself the difference. The UN statistics consider Ireland and the UK equal to Poland and Czech Republic should be much worse according to them. Good luck with that - go out and run Game in those countries and then tell me what you get.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-02-2015 07:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 07:00 PM)allaround Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 07:30 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

That's an interesting site. Though the high number for Warsaw (109 females / 100 males) seems to contradict what Roosh wrote in Bang Poland about Warsaw attracting many of the working males within Poland leading to worse ratios (the "Toronto of Eastern Europe," he called it.)

HSLD

The Polish section of the Singles Atlas reports the same numbers for Warsaw, http://singlesatlas.com/poland

They are obviously taken from the UN statistics which are a heap of turds mixed with piss.

According to them Czech Republic is one of the worst places for Game and the US is equal to Poland. Ireland should be a heaven for men. The UN statistics usually completely ignore immigrants, EU-working immigrants, the fattening of the female piglets and other measures which restrict the pool of eligible women to such degrees that China is a superior choice.

Part of Warsaw not being so good is due to the fact that many men work there, also many foreigners - the real ratios are much worse. The NYC comparison is lacking, since by my own estimates the ratios are male-dominated, you find plenty of hot young girls, but the entitlement there is high for any woman who lives there for longer than 2 years. If you find a very young one who moved there shortly, then that's a different thing. Other cities lack that kind of delusion.

As far as the official country and UN gender statistics are concerned - they are at best a proxy and the field reports of guys with Game are a better sign. You can spoof your Tinder or online dating accounts and see for yourself the difference. The UN statistics consider Ireland and the UK equal to Poland and Czech Republic should be much worse according to them. Good luck with that - go out and run Game in those countries and then tell me what you get.

In my area of the UK, 50% of the women in the 20-35 age range are outright fat and, from my perspective, undatable. I arrived at this figure by noting every fat and slim woman I saw on the street and then calculating the ratio between them. I did not take facial aesthetics into account and, to be as objective as possible, even included women as slim if they were only a little frumpy. The result of looking at 100 women: If you only consider the remaining 50% of slim(-ish) women and take into account the fact that male obesity rates are probably around the 5-10% mark, you pretty much get a ratio of roughly 180 men per 100 women. It's no wonder that the UK and US, as well as other parts of the Anglosphere where fatties run riot, have turned into giant, open-air sausage fests.

China, by comparison, would be much easier to game women in the same age bracket, since the supply of slim and thus gameable ones is much, much higher. The UK dating market is analogous to an already busy road that is now operating a staggering 80% above capacity - even a 10% increase would have caused gridlock, but an 80% excess of demand over supply is going to fuck the flow of traffic (read: dating demand/supply curve) completely up. I think a lot of guys who live in countries with very high female obesity rates have yet to truly comprehend what this means for their chances on the dating market there.

So, the irony is that China still offers a younger guy more opportunities to date women equivalent to his looks than the hypergamy-on-steroids Western hemisphere and especially its cheerleading hard core, the Anglosphere.

[Saweeep]

^^^ I think your numbers aren't far wrong re women.

You are massively under estimating male fatness though; it's on a par with that of the bitches, for sure.

The problem is your methodology

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-03-2015 03:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^^ I think your numbers aren't far wrong re women.

You are massively under estimating male fatness though; it's on a par with that of the bitches, for sure.

The problem is your methodology

At the risk of sounding obstinate, I don't believe I have underestimated male obesity in the UK. I forgot to mention that I ran the same experiment to determine the ratio of slim men to fat men in the same age bracket as women and found not more than 10% of guys to be fat. Since I returned from Germany in 2013 after a 10 year absence, I am aghast at how fat British women have become on average. Furthermore, I am seeing unprecedented numbers of jacked and muscular guys, sharply dressed, particularly younger guys (I'm 40, by the way) no doubt in order to try to compete for the ever decreasing supply of slim girls here; indeed, the competition for even slim plain Janes is intense.

Ask yourself: How often do you see a slim, tall and even muscular guy with an overweight woman on the streets of the UK these days? I am seeing it worringly often. It's not yet the norm, but it is not very far off from becoming so. This is the most effective indicator in my view as to how out of whack the dating market has become the UK in recent years - it's Pattaya every day of the week for the fatty fillies but a dystopic, brave new world for the unfortunate sod looking to get his oats here.

[Saweeep]

(05-03-2015 03:37 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(05-03-2015 03:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^^ I think your numbers aren't far wrong re women.

You are massively under estimating male fatness though; it's on a par with that of the bitches, for sure.

The problem is your methodology

At the risk of sounding obstinate, I don't believe I have underestimated male obesity in the UK. I forgot to mention that I ran the same experiment to determine the ratio of slim men to fat men in the same age bracket as women and found not more than 10% of guys to be fat. Since I returned from Germany in 2013 after a 10 year absence, I am aghast at how fat British women have become on average. Furthermore, I am seeing unprecedented numbers of jacked and muscular guys, sharply dressed, particularly younger guys (I'm 40, by the way) no doubt in order to try to compete for the ever decreasing supply of slim girls here; indeed, the competition for even slim plain Janes is intense.

Ask yourself: How often do you see a slim, tall and even muscular guy with an overweight woman on the streets of the UK these days? I am seeing it worringly often. It's not yet the norm, but it is not very far off from becoming so. This is the most effective indicator in my view as to how out of whack the dating market has become the UK in recent years - it's Pattaya every day of the week for the fatty fillies but a dystopic, brave new world for the unfortunate sod looking to get his oats here.

Where did this "survey" of yours take place?

The rest of your points I agree with, by the way. 100%

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(05-03-2015 04:54 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(05-03-2015 03:37 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

(05-03-2015 03:25 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

^^^ I think your numbers aren't far wrong re women.

You are massively under estimating male fatness though; it's on a par with that of the bitches, for sure.

The problem is your methodology

At the risk of sounding obstinate, I don't believe I have underestimated male obesity in the UK. I forgot to mention that I ran the same experiment to determine the ratio of slim men to fat men in the same age bracket as women and found not more than 10% of guys to be fat. Since I returned from Germany in 2013 after a 10 year absence, I am aghast at how fat British women have become on average. Furthermore, I am seeing unprecedented numbers of jacked and muscular guys, sharply dressed, particularly younger guys (I'm 40, by the way) no doubt in order to try to compete for the ever decreasing supply of slim girls here; indeed, the competition for even slim plain Janes is intense.

Ask yourself: How often do you see a slim, tall and even muscular guy with an overweight woman on the streets of the UK these days? I am seeing it worringly often. It's not yet the norm, but it is not very far off from becoming so. This is the most effective indicator in my view as to how out of whack the dating market has become the UK in recent years - it's Pattaya every day of the week for the fatty fillies but a dystopic, brave new world for the unfortunate sod looking to get his oats here.

Where did this "survey" of yours take place?

The rest of your points I agree with, by the way. 100%

In Middlesbrough in the north east of England. But the 50% of fat women is a figure that has often struck me as roughly correct for quite a while now, since I often make an informal tally of the ratio of slim/fat girls at any particular social venue and so the results did not really surprise me.

It's what the results imply that is truly shocking though, i.e., that a 50% obesity rate would imply roughly a 2:1 ratio of men chasing slim(-ish) women, not adjusting for all the plain janes, uglies, batshit crazy bitches, et.c, included in this figure. Once you were to filter these out you'd be left with an even more insanely unfavourable ratio of men to women.

Game is good, but location trumps it all.

[Saweeep]

I just think 10% for men is way, way too low.

There is something you aren't realising which is skewing your data: fat guys don't leave the house/car/office as much as fat women do.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-03-2015 04:54 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

Where did this "survey" of yours take place?

The rest of your points I agree with, by the way. 100%

The UK and US are fucking crazy - in all of the Eastern European countries the Proteinworld campaign would elicit no protest at all. The further West you go the more crazy it becomes:

   

   

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/ap...ks-outrage

And the crazy part is that Proteinworld is now under investigation of the official UK Advertising Standards Authority whether the company is promoting an "unhealthy body image". This is utterly fucking crazy - keep in mind that it's not just some crazy extreme feminist - no - it's the official agency!

And it spreads to other countries - I have heard those idiotic phrases being uttered to me in Austria, Germany and even Switzerland.

Sure - the diet in the more well-off countries is better than in Eastern Europe, but if the girls supplement it all with McDonald's and sweets, then get validated by the media and have no fat-shaming, then superior diet is not going to amount to much. The fattening decreases the attractive female population more than anything else - I have seen statistics for the UK - it's roughly 180-250 eiligible women for 100 men. 180 to 100 if you discount the unemployed, single-mothers - it gets to well over 250 to 100 if you discount the obese and overweight. So have a pick competing with a ratio of 1 to 2,5 for the single, not-overweight, not single mother girl. The ratio in China is 1 to 1,2 and in Poland it's 1 to 1 generally in the age group of 18-34.

[Saweeep]

^^^

It's all absolute madness.

[allaround]

(05-02-2015 07:13 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

They are obviously taken from the UN statistics which are a heap of turds mixed with piss.

According to them Czech Republic is one of the worst places for Game and the US is equal to Poland. Ireland should be a heaven for men. The UN statistics usually completely ignore immigrants, EU-working immigrants, the fattening of the female piglets and other measures which restrict the pool of eligible women to such degrees that China is a superior choice.

Part of Warsaw not being so good is due to the fact that many men work there, also many foreigners - the real ratios are much worse. The NYC comparison is lacking, since by my own estimates the ratios are male-dominated, you find plenty of hot young girls, but the entitlement there is high for any woman who lives there for longer than 2 years. If you find a very young one who moved there shortly, then that's a different thing. Other cities lack that kind of delusion.

As far as the official country and UN gender statistics are concerned - they are at best a proxy and the field reports of guys with Game are a better sign. You can spoof your Tinder or online dating accounts and see for yourself the difference. The UN statistics consider Ireland and the UK equal to Poland and Czech Republic should be much worse according to them. Good luck with that - go out and run Game in those countries and then tell me what you get.

The local Polish data that the atlas uses is from the Central Statistical Office of Poland (GUS). It could be the same source as used by the cited article. The numbers look similar.

If to look at this from a country level, UN data is used as you say. And I agree, official gender ratios are only a part of the picture. More data is needed, like reports from the ground.

The Body Mass Index range slider of the atlas can be useful. When specifying a non-overweight BMI, meaning max 25, the map shows way better "females below BMI of 25 to males ratios" for say Poland and Czech than England and Ireland.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-03-2015 05:06 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I just think 10% for men is way, way too low.

There is something you aren't realising which is skewing your data: fat guys don't leave the house/car/office as much as fat women do.

True, but fatness impacts female body attractiveness much more especially for LTRs - of course r-selected Players need to be fit and trim to optimize the Lover vibe, the truth is that for relationships they could let themselves go way more and still attract high quality girls via the tools of Game, dominance, financial success. While women have higher standards for male sexual attraction that attraction threshold is lowered when Mr. Right is concerned. Bodipua had a good post on it:

http://www.bodipua.com/understanding-female-obesity/

A couple with an identical BMI - fat spread all around the male muscle mass makes one hell of a difference:



Objective fatness rating:



Effective fatness rating when all male-female SMV points are combined:



That's why you see pairings like this in the super-model world, but not the opposite:

[Saweeep]

Well, BMI and BodyFat% aren't the same thing...

Other than that, you're right. 100% right.

Way more than 10% of men are obese though in the UK.

"Nearly two-thirds of men and women in the UK are obese or overweight, according to new analysis of overweight and obesity data conducted by Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington.

The study which looks at data from 1980 to 2013, claims that more people in the UK are either obese or overweight than at any other time in the past three decades. The UK, it says, has the third-highest rate of excess weight in western Europe behind Iceland and Malta.

67% of men and 57% of women in the UK are overweight or obese according to the study which uses a Body Mass Index (BMI) of over 25 to define 'overweight' and a BMI of 30 or more to define 'obese'."