[TheWastelander]

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

People at home on TV watching these riots are not likely going to think it's a good idea to stop police militarization. They'll probably think we need more of it to respond to shit like this.

[Bear Hands]

^^^

The race hustlers come off like useful idiots to me. If they buy into the idea that one race (as opposed to a class) has all the power, why alienate them?

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-28-2015 02:07 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

This 'riot' is pretty weak. 2 burning cars does not a riot make.

They really hyped up the alliance between bloods and crips like this was going to turn into a large scale skirmish.
A couple liqour stores have been looted and rocks thrown but thats basically it.

Baltimore is huge, maybe 2 intersections have burning debris + burning building and they act like they whole city is in anarchy. Most of the police are just standing around.

I had higher expectations because they had a legit cause this time. Your spine can't magically snap from riding in a van down a paved road. The cops were clearly in the wrong in this situation.

According to several sources (see two below), 144 cars were set on fire and so were 15 buildings. In addition, the Orioles game has been canceled for a second night, the largest area employer, Social Security, is shutting down early, and there is a continued stand-off with protesters and police today as of 1 p.m. (now being talked about on radio).

The governor declared a state of emergency, and the big local TV station, WBAL, is pre-empting programming on both its digital stations today. That means at 2 p.m., they'll pre-empt Dr. Oz, and I won't get to see Roosh on TV.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.2201633

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio.../26496241/

[kosko]

They want a "hot summer". For years the Policy lobby and the Government have been wanting to push urban tensions to boil over to justify and normalize the use of ultra aggressive force and eventually attempt to confiscate arms.

The Gov didn't give Police corps across America with military grade gear to not use it...

[Disco_Volante]

Female General is leading the Army National Guard operation in Baltimore

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...l_law.html

I didn't even know the military had female generals.

[DjembaDjemba]

No one has really talked about the cougar of a mayor Baltimore has.









She used to be fat, and lost quite a bit of weight...


WB...(Would Be...my mayor)

[Days of Broken Arrows]

   

[Renzy]

(04-28-2015 11:36 AM)MdWanderer Wrote:  

I don't often get political on Facebook but I couldn't help myself yesterday. I found it funny how so many people who were supporting Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin and treating them as martyrs changed their tunes once the rioting hit their backyards. Baltimore is my hometown so I knew many of these people. They and the rest of these so-called "sympathizers" against police brutality finally got to realize how much life sucks when they're not around when you try to do simple things such as go to a baseball game or go to work and literally take your life into your hands.

Makes me think of that quote: 'a conservative is a liberal who got mugged'

Watching the videos of the riots, I'm reminded (as another poster mentioned) how quickly things can fall apart in this country. I was in high school when the 92 riots broke out in LA and remember the video of that truck driver, Reginald Denny, who got pulled out of his truck by rioters and nearly beaten to death.

The idea of police who aren't accountable for their brutality scares me. But the reality of a world without cops scares me more because every now and then (LA, Katrina, and now Baltimore) we get a glimpse of what that world looks like.

Jack Donovan wrote an article Violence is Golden where he touches on some of the same issues:

Quote:

When violence comes knocking, we simply make a call, and the police come to “stop” the violence. Few civilians really take the time to think that what we are essentially doing is paying an armed band protection money to come and do orderly violence on our behalf.
...
It is when our ordered violence gives way to disordered violence, as in the aftermath of a natural disaster, that we are forced to see how much we rely on those who maintain order through violence. People loot because they can, and kill because they think they’ll get away with it. Dealing with violence and finding violent men who will protect you from other violent men suddenly becomes a real and pressing concern.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

ABC News is now running an ESPN wire service article saying that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) Orioles game will go on as scheduled, but no fans will be allowed in. They'll play in an empty stadium.

Has this ever happened before?

Orioles-White Sox game will be played Wednesday, closed to public
Apr 28, 2015, 3:02 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

The Baltimore Orioles and Chicago White Sox will play the finale of their three-game series Wednesday at Camden Yards in a game that will be closed to the public.

The revised plan was announced Tuesday after widespread public unrest in Baltimore forced a postponement of a White Sox-Orioles game for the second consecutive day.

The Orioles also announced that their three-game series this weekend against the Tampa Bay Rays, which originally was scheduled to be played in Baltimore, instead will be played at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida.

Baltimore's postponed games against the White Sox from Monday and Tuesday will be made up as a single-admission doubleheader on May 28.

[Kabal]

Well, from 2008 to 2011, the Orioles often played in an empty stadium.

Ba-dum-psch.

[heavy]

Does this mean The Wire is coming back?

I only watched part of the first season...should I go watch the whole thing, or just watch FoxNews?

[Seth_Rose]

(04-28-2015 02:13 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

ABC News is now running an ESPN wire service article saying that tomorrow's (Wednesday's) Orioles game will go on as scheduled, but no fans will be allowed in. They'll play in an empty stadium.

Has this ever happened before?

Orioles-White Sox game will be played Wednesday, closed to public
Apr 28, 2015, 3:02 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

The Baltimore Orioles and Chicago White Sox will play the finale of their three-game series Wednesday at Camden Yards in a game that will be closed to the public.

The revised plan was announced Tuesday after widespread public unrest in Baltimore forced a postponement of a White Sox-Orioles game for the second consecutive day.

The Orioles also announced that their three-game series this weekend against the Tampa Bay Rays, which originally was scheduled to be played in Baltimore, instead will be played at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Florida.

Baltimore's postponed games against the White Sox from Monday and Tuesday will be made up as a single-admission doubleheader on May 28.

I was wondering how they would keep up with their schedule...

No, I've never heard of that happening although I wouldn't doubt it. I love Camden Yards, but don't see myself going there anytime soon. Guess it's time to buy a Nationals hat

[TheWastelander]

It's clearly about Freddie Gray and just how badly these people have it in life. Clearly.

[heavy]

Funny how when you don't watch tv or follow the news, I had no idea any of this was going on (I'd seen one little line on it, didn't read).

Interesting tho. Like thinking about politics or liberals or feminism or the downfall of our country, it just gives me unneeded anxiety.

[WalterBlack]

(04-27-2015 10:42 PM)kmhour Wrote:  

(04-27-2015 10:23 PM)JuanQuinQuin Wrote:  

Fuck them, If I were the owner of one those store, and the livelihood of my family depends on it I will arm myself up to my last tooth. Let see what happen then?

I wonder if something similar could happen again...

Amid Violence, Factions and Messages Converge in a Weary and Unsettled Baltimore

Quote:

Minutes later, Representative Elijah E. Cummings, a Democrat from Maryland, appeared in the middle of a spontaneous march. He was surrounded by several hundred people, walking arm in arm down West North Avenue, singing, “I’m going to stay on the battlefield.”

They walked away from the police gathered just a few blocks away. Every few steps, more people joined the group. A man in a blue shirt locked arms with a man in a gray suit; a man rolled forward in a wheelchair.

“We’re out here, and this is peaceful,” Bishop Walter S. Thomas, pastor of the New Psalmist Baptist Church, shouted to the crowd. After a pause, they continued, singing “This Little Light of Mine.” Helicopters shined spotlights on the group, the thwack-thwack of their rotors competing with the music.

The march ended at New Shiloh Baptist Church on North Monroe Street, where people raised their hands in a moment of silence to commemorate Mr. Gray, who died a week after his arrest. Several of the ministers, led by the Rev. Ron Owens, convened a meeting with some of the young rioters. While about 50 people sat in pews, six or seven young men went to the front of the church with the ministers, where they laid out their own mix of chaos and calm.

A couple of the young men wore bandannas to hide their identity. The young men identified themselves as members of the Crips, Bloods and Black Guerrilla Family street gangs. One of the Crips members, who called himself Charles, wearing a red Chicago Bulls Derrick Rose T-shirt, said the gang members had taken to the street because “there is only so far that you can push people into a corner.”

“We’re frustrated,” he continued, “and that’s why we’re out there in the streets.”

Then he described how he and some Bloods had stood in front of black-owned stores to protect them from looting or vandalism. He said they had made sure no black children, or reporters, were hit by rioters. They pointed them toward Chinese- and Arab-owned stores.

[spalex]

It saddens me to think that these people are re-producing.

[Clemmo]

Ray Lewis sends a message to Baltimore Rioters. I see the media pushing for a civil war here they way they have been inciting these emotions to get people to riot.

[Clemmo]

(04-28-2015 01:15 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

No one has really talked about the cougar of a mayor Baltimore has.









She used to be fat, and lost quite a bit of weight...


WB...(Would Be...my mayor)

Definite WB. She's a 6/10 for me.

[heavy]

^^ Would beat me up...what a beast

"while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also [as a result] gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well"

[Sonsowey]

(04-28-2015 11:53 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

Obviously we are not seeing any police brutality here via "militarization".

The poor guy that died was basically, if I understand, manhandled to death by the cops. Any group of thugs could do that.

When cops in Ferguson showed up like they were an occupying army they were immediately ordered to stand down by the press and government alike.

So now the police in Baltimore are basically not doing anything but arresting stray hooligans. Nothing really "militaristic" at all about how the cops are handling this.

As far as I know, that is. Open to being proven wrong.

[TheWastelander]

(04-28-2015 03:54 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 11:53 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

Obviously we are not seeing any police brutality here via "militarization".

The poor guy that died was basically, if I understand, manhandled to death by the cops. Any group of thugs could do that.

When cops in Ferguson showed up like they were an occupying army they were immediately ordered to stand down by the press and government alike.

So now the police in Baltimore are basically not doing anything but arresting stray hooligans. Nothing really "militaristic" at all about how the cops are handling this.

As far as I know, that is. Open to being proven wrong.

I brought that issue up because the two are often related. Not always, but fairly often. It has as much to do with the tactics as it does the military equipment. Whether it played a role in Freddie Gray's death or not, I don't really know.

I wasn't just talking about this incident alone.

[Sonsowey]

(04-28-2015 04:01 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:54 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 11:53 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

Obviously we are not seeing any police brutality here via "militarization".

The poor guy that died was basically, if I understand, manhandled to death by the cops. Any group of thugs could do that.

When cops in Ferguson showed up like they were an occupying army they were immediately ordered to stand down by the press and government alike.

So now the police in Baltimore are basically not doing anything but arresting stray hooligans. Nothing really "militaristic" at all about how the cops are handling this.

As far as I know, that is. Open to being proven wrong.

I brought that issue up because the two are often related. Not always, but fairly often. It has as much to do with the tactics as it does the military equipment. Whether it played a role in Freddie Gray's death or not, I don't really know.

I wasn't just talking about this incident alone.

Sure I completely understand.

A week ago I would've said I was against police militarization.

This is making me think the police should indeed be a bit more militarized. How in the world are they letting this get so out of hand? I thought they were awash in used military gear, they can't round up these people destroying buildings, throwing rocks, burning cars and crate them off?

I know any individual who tried what these people are doing in a peaceful city would be arrested or possibly killed. Yet the mob has been very effective at intimidating the police it seems. That should not be the case.

[TheWastelander]

(04-28-2015 04:11 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 04:01 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 03:54 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(04-28-2015 11:53 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

Obviously we are not seeing any police brutality here via "militarization".

The poor guy that died was basically, if I understand, manhandled to death by the cops. Any group of thugs could do that.

When cops in Ferguson showed up like they were an occupying army they were immediately ordered to stand down by the press and government alike.

So now the police in Baltimore are basically not doing anything but arresting stray hooligans. Nothing really "militaristic" at all about how the cops are handling this.

As far as I know, that is. Open to being proven wrong.

I brought that issue up because the two are often related. Not always, but fairly often. It has as much to do with the tactics as it does the military equipment. Whether it played a role in Freddie Gray's death or not, I don't really know.

I wasn't just talking about this incident alone.

Sure I completely understand.

A week ago I would've said I was against police militarization.

This is making me think the police should indeed be a bit more militarized. How in the world are they letting this get so out of hand? I thought they were awash in used military gear, they can't round up these people destroying buildings, throwing rocks, burning cars and crate them off?

They're controlled by Baltimore's mayor.

And what's pathetic is that innocent people can't even defend themselves worth a shit in Maryland because of their shitty gun laws.



Mr. Knife Threatener would be shot dead in Florida, I guarantee.

[Spectrumwalker]

Check this out. Pretty intense close-up footage of riot cops in Spartan formation being pushed back, including an officer down. Commentary says the officer may have been hit in the face with a brick. 21st century tribal warfare with medieval tactics. Pretty interesting actually...

[El Chinito loco]

(04-28-2015 11:53 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

Call this conspiratorial if you want, but it seems like whenever there's a real decent opportunity to talk about police militarization and brutality the race hustlers come in and completely destroy it.

People at home on TV watching these riots are not likely going to think it's a good idea to stop police militarization. They'll probably think we need more of it to respond to shit like this.

Yeah this type of violent rioting does nothing except give people an opportunity to be thankful they don't live around or near people like that.

There is absolutely no reason to want to live in those types of neighborhoods. Even if you're a struggling immigrant go elsewhere.

For people on the political fence it pushes them way in favor of militarization. This is why Martin Luther King jr wasn't really into violent protest.