[kaotic]

Of course not without being called out by Police Organizations:

Fraternal Order of Police calls on prosecutor to recuse herself, defends officers

Quote:

Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman.
Letter to Mosby Document

The letter from Gene Ryan, president of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, also states that none of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death were responsible for the 25-year-old West Baltimore man's death that spurred protests and unrest, including rioting and looting on Monday. The letter was released just minutes before Mosby announced charges against the officers.

"Not one of the officers involved in this tragic situation left home in the morning with the anticipation that someone with whom they interacted would not go home that night," the letter states. "As tragic as this situation is, none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of Mr. Gray."

Ryan requests that Mosby appoint a "Special Independent Prosecutor."

"I have very deep concerns about the many conflicts of interest presented by your office conducting an investigation in this case," the letter states.

"These conflicts include your personal and professional relations with Gray family attorney, William Murphy, and the lead prosecutor's connections with members of the local media," the letter states. "Based on several nationally televised interviews, these reporters are likely to be witnesses in any potential litigation regarding this incident."

Murphy supported Mosby during her campaign last year. He donated $5,000 to her campaign and served on her transition committee.

In a statement to The Baltimore Sun, Mosby said the Gray case doesn't pose any conflicts for her and the police union donated to other candidates in election to be the state's attorney.

"State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby has been elected by the residents in Baltimore City to uphold the law in every neighborhood including her own, regardless of if her husband is the councilman within the district where numerous crimes occur," said spokeswoman Rochelle Ritchie. "Hundreds of people donated to her campaign. There is no conflict of interest surrounding Billy Murphy. He is representing the family in a civil case which has nothing to do with the criminal case."

The FOP letter also expresses problems with Mosby's marriage to Baltimore City Councilman Nick Mosby.

"Most importantly, it is clear that your husband's political future will be directly impacted, for better or worse, by the outcome of your investigation," the letter states. "In order to avoid any appearance of impropriety or a violation of the Professional Rules of Professional Responsibility, I ask that you appoint a Special Prosecutor to determine whether or not any charges should be filed."

The letter continued:

"We recognize that there are many dimensions to this situation: the public sentiments — on all sides; the investigation being conducted by your office; the internal police investigation; and a necessary review of the tools, equipment, and resources afforded to Baltimore police officers in order to carry out their sworn duty as police officers."

The letter also states that the officers involved in the case are "sincerely saddened by Mr. Gray's passing."

"They are all committed police officers who have dedicated their careers to the Baltimore City Police Department," he writes. "And that has been lost in all of the publicity. All death is tragic. And death associated with interaction with police is both shocking and frightening to the public.

"Each of the officers diligently balanced their obligations to protect Mr. Gray and discharge their duties to protect the public," the letter states. "I have full faith in your professional integrity. While I have the utmost respect for you and your office, I have very deep concerns about the many conflicts of interest presented by your office conducting an investigation in this case."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/marylan...story.html

[DjembaDjemba]

WYB Marilyn Mosby?






One thing this Baltimore episode has taught me is that there is still quite a bit of sexy brown sugar in the country.

Sexy black chicks in positions of power. I bet they love to get dominated in the sack. Career chicks love a strong man to handle them.

[speakeasy]

(05-01-2015 01:29 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 01:25 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 01:54 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

Baltimore Protestors tell Geraldo Rivera and Fox News to get out of their city. And the best part is that they did this in a intelligent manner.

This is what happened when they actually started filming on Fox News.

But notice the woman calming the situation down and telling Geraldo politely that they don't want Fox News in their city. And the guy in the second video calmed down when the cameras were not showing. I assume he wanted to make a message to Fox News.

Geraldo used to box back in the day. Probably not a good idea to get up in his face.

[Yatagan]

(05-01-2015 06:34 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

WYB Marilyn Mosby?

[Clemmo]

(05-01-2015 06:34 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

WYB Marilyn Mosby?






One thing this Baltimore episode has taught me is that there is still quite a bit of sexy brown sugar in the country.

Sexy black chicks in positions of power. I bet they love to get dominated in the sack. Career chicks love a strong man to handle them.

Of course.

But here's an ironic update about the Freddie Gray case. Three of the officers who were arrested were Black. I wonder how Al Sharpton, Tariq Nasheed, Jessie Jackson, and the rioters feel about this? This goes completely against the narrative the media wants to spin about Police racism, when it's really about Police classism. No one remembers OJ Simpson getting off the hook 20 years ago.

[kbell]

The three black officers roles will be minimized and they won't be mentioned anymore in the media.

[speakeasy]

And here I was thinking the officers would all be white given the uproar over the last week. I'm sure this is going to cause a lot of racial hamster wheels to start spinning. Even a woman cop for some extra diversity! Maybe one the cops will even turn out to be openly gay.

[Clemmo]

(05-01-2015 07:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And here I was thinking the officers would all be white given the uproar over the last week. I'm sure this is going to cause a lot of racial hamster wheels to start spinning. Even a woman cop for some extra diversity! Maybe one the cops will even turn out to be openly gay.

I see it spinning in a way that this case is about Police Brutality than than Racial Injustice by SJW's. Can't claim racial injustice when 3 of the cops charged were Black. And the driver of the vehicle was black.

I bet that dumb bitch who mentioned "riot shaming" feels like a dumbass now.

[Kabal]

(05-01-2015 08:02 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 07:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And here I was thinking the officers would all be white given the uproar over the last week. I'm sure this is going to cause a lot of racial hamster wheels to start spinning. Even a woman cop for some extra diversity! Maybe one the cops will even turn out to be openly gay.

I see it spinning in a way that this case is about Police Brutality than than Racial Injustice by SJW's. Can't claim racial injustice when 3 of the cops charged were Black. And the driver of the vehicle was black.

I bet that dumb bitch who mentioned "riot shaming" feels like a dumbass now.

I think you under-estimate the imaginations of our leftist colleagues.

They would/could just spin it thusly:

The observation that three of the accused police persons are Persons of Color only further serves to illustrate the insidiousness and invasiveness of institutional racism and white privilege. Trapped by systemic power structures induced by white privilege, the three non-white cops had no choice but to perpetuate racial injustices on behalf of whites against fellow Persons of Color. White privilege is so potent as to leverage Persons of Color to further its racial agendas and extend its oppressive reach...

Data points like Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon Martin, and the N'th False Campus Rape show us that the endurance of leftist hamster-wheeling is indefatigable.

[Basil Ransom]

(05-01-2015 08:02 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 07:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And here I was thinking the officers would all be white given the uproar over the last week. I'm sure this is going to cause a lot of racial hamster wheels to start spinning. Even a woman cop for some extra diversity! Maybe one the cops will even turn out to be openly gay.

I see it spinning in a way that this case is about Police Brutality than than Racial Injustice by SJW's. Can't claim racial injustice when 3 of the cops charged were Black. And the driver of the vehicle was black.

I hope you're right. I think the determining factor is how the establishment - the bigger political powers - responds.

The media is the lapdog of the people in power. Mike Cernovich has discussed it - it's a concept known as access journalism. If you play nice with the powerful people, you get access to juicy stories and sources. If you don't, no high profile televised interviews for you.

So if the government decides to seriously prosecute the officers as a matter of fighting police brutality, there's a chance the media will pick that up and change their language. If the government continues to not take police brutality seriously, the media will take the hint and get on their side, to preserve their access to power.

Still, there are always so many hucksters, hustlers, clowns and race trolls swirling about that want to make this only about race, and not about police brutality as well. The SJW left just doesn't find a 'police brutality' and 'police state' narrative compelling, so they're always trying to obscure that.

The charges of the officers were a great first move - it's not clear how guilty they are of each charge of course, but that's what a trial is for.

Ultimately, I think we're seeing peak warrior cop - drug legalization and the prevalence of smartphone cameras is increasingly putting cops on the defensive.

[Rutting Elephant]

(05-01-2015 06:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Geraldo used to box back in the day. Probably not a good idea to get up in his face.

He was also a lax bro at U of Arizona. There's a team pic in the Lacrosse Hall of Fame on the Hopkins campus.

[ball dont lie]

(05-01-2015 09:49 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

I hope you're right. I think the determining factor is how the establishment - the bigger political powers - responds.

The media is the lapdog of the people in power. Mike Cernovich has discussed it - it's a concept known as access journalism. If you play nice with the powerful people, you get access to juicy stories and sources. If you don't, no high profile televised interviews for you.

I think this point is not given the attention it deserves. Its a form of self-censorship that is much more powerful than putting the hammer down after the fact or demanding that the "news" be written in a simple way. All the journalists go to far left schools and the journalists are the extreme left of that; they know if they write something even possibly objectionable they won' be writing anymore. The quality of the news these days is so low anyone could become a "journalist".

The reason I am so angry about this shit is I see it all the time with "experts" about China. I thought about going the academic route years ago and read the favored books about China to find that most of the time there was very little real criticism of the government. There was talk about about pollution, corruption, things being unfair, but the usual focus was about Tiananmen and what happened decades ago. No one would discuss the major scandals and bullshit going on now. If they do, they would never get another visa. How can someone be a China scholar if they are never allowed back again? Same BS, different time zone.

[Vronsky]

(05-01-2015 06:34 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

WYB Marilyn Mosby?






One thing this Baltimore episode has taught me is that there is still quite a bit of sexy brown sugar in the country.

Sexy black chicks in positions of power. I bet they love to get dominated in the sack. Career chicks love a strong man to handle them.

Lots of educated, powerful black women in positions of authority, I'm starting to notice e.g. Baltimore's mayor, the prosecutor, Kamala Harris, and others whose name I'm forgetting. This one is very cute.

[la_mode]

Prepare for Nat Turner-like sieges in certain cities with large black populations.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-01-2015 07:35 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

But here's an ironic update about the Freddie Gray case. Three of the officers who were arrested were Black. I wonder how Al Sharpton, Tariq Nasheed, Jessie Jackson, and the rioters feel about this? This goes completely against the narrative the media wants to spin about Police racism, when it's really about Police classism. No one remembers OJ Simpson getting off the hook 20 years ago.

Baltimore is 70% black by now, the police force is 80% black, so the media narrative of racism by the remaining few white cops was likely to be wrong.

But it is easier to spin that story instead of reminding the people that we are slowly but surely starting to live in a police state. This was never a black-white issue.

[Sherman]

It seems to be the opposite of a police state. The police are under siege and the thugs are winning. The Baltimore police were ordered to stand down while rocks were being thrown at them. Police across the country are being openly insulted and ordered not to do anything about it. What will happen is police will stop responding except for the most serious cases, which means you will have to handle it yourself. In my opinion, a tipping point has been reached in America and this is going to get much worse. The thugs smell blood. I am glad I am in Mexico.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-02-2015 01:33 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

It seems to be the opposite of a police state. The police are under siege and the thugs are winning. The Baltimore police were ordered to stand down while rocks were being thrown at them. Police across the country are being openly insulted and ordered not to do anything about it. What will happen is police will stop responding except for the most serious cases, which means you will have to handle it yourself. In my opinion, a tipping point has been reached in America and this is going to get much worse. The thugs smell blood. I am glad I am in Mexico.

Standing down and letting 150+ cars be burned down, shops being looted is part of expansion of the militarization of the police. This actually helps the cause.

What do you think the majority of the US population thinks about it? Do you think they like the rioting and saying that it is a legitimate issue? No - they think: "Well, better more soldier-cops than this."

[Clemmo]

(05-01-2015 08:28 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 08:02 PM)Clemmo Wrote:  

(05-01-2015 07:49 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And here I was thinking the officers would all be white given the uproar over the last week. I'm sure this is going to cause a lot of racial hamster wheels to start spinning. Even a woman cop for some extra diversity! Maybe one the cops will even turn out to be openly gay.

I see it spinning in a way that this case is about Police Brutality than than Racial Injustice by SJW's. Can't claim racial injustice when 3 of the cops charged were Black. And the driver of the vehicle was black.

I bet that dumb bitch who mentioned "riot shaming" feels like a dumbass now.

I think you under-estimate the imaginations of our leftist colleagues.

They would/could just spin it thusly:

The observation that three of the accused police persons are Persons of Color only further serves to illustrate the insidiousness and invasiveness of institutional racism and white privilege. Trapped by systemic power structures induced by white privilege, the three non-white cops had no choice but to perpetuate racial injustices on behalf of whites against fellow Persons of Color. White privilege is so potent as to leverage Persons of Color to further its racial agendas and extend its oppressive reach...

Data points like Duke Lacrosse, Trayvon Martin, and the N'th False Campus Rape show us that the endurance of leftist hamster-wheeling is indefatigable.

Dang. You're really close to how some of the SJW crowd are spinning it.

[Sherman]

(05-02-2015 01:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 01:33 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

It seems to be the opposite of a police state. The police are under siege and the thugs are winning. The Baltimore police were ordered to stand down while rocks were being thrown at them. Police across the country are being openly insulted and ordered not to do anything about it. What will happen is police will stop responding except for the most serious cases, which means you will have to handle it yourself. In my opinion, a tipping point has been reached in America and this is going to get much worse. The thugs smell blood. I am glad I am in Mexico.

Standing down and letting 150+ cars be burned down, shops being looted is part of expansion of the militarization of the police. This actually helps the cause.

What do you think the majority of the US population thinks about it? Do you think they like the rioting and saying that it is a legitimate issue? No - they think: "Well, better more soldier-cops than this."

They were ordered to stand down by the liberal mayor. On Fox news the chief said he didn't want to do this.

[Merenguero]

I finally took the time to read what this situation is even about. As far as I can tell, what the police did was seriously illegal, wrong, and tortious. Had Freddie Gray lived, I think he would have had one hell of a lawsuit against the city. The city would try to argue that that Gray's injuries were caused by by a preexisting injury and they may have at least some success with that.

Here is why the police conduct was wrong. When they saw Gray running from them, they had reasonable articulate suspicion to stop and frisk Gray under the Terry doctrine. When they saw that Gray had a knife in his possession, they should have looked at the knife to see that it was a folding knife. It's pathetically easy to tell if a knife is a folding knife or not. Upon seeing that the knife was a folding knife, they should never have charged him with any crime, especially not possession of a dangerous weapon. The size of the knife is irrelevant. As long as the knife is a folding knife, it is not a crime to be in possession of it or even to carry it openly with the intent to injury another person (Yes. You read that right). The police should not have arrested him and should have had him immediately transported in order to receive medical attention. The police further messed up by not fastening Gray's seatbelt when he was being transported.

The police will all most likely be found guilty of something, even if it is just misconduct in office. I think part off their defense will be that they did not cause Gray's death and that the proximate cause of his death was his preexisting injuries. Only one of the officers is being charged with murder and it is under a second degree depraved heart theory. This requires that the Defendant's wanton and reckless disregard for the safety of others caused Gray's death. If this case goes to trial, the trier of face will have to decide if tell conduct amounted to a wanton and reckless disregard for the safety of others (second degree depraved heart murder), gross negligence (involuntary manslaughter), or neither of the two.

[AFspecOps]

If I owned an insurance company in that city, I'd be preparing a huge lawsuit against the mayor for allowing a stand down. And these cops might have been overcharged. This is going to be a mess.

[Gamers]

No one of my Facebook is mentioning the black officers involved at all.

[Quintus Curtius]

(05-02-2015 01:33 AM)Sherman Wrote:  

It seems to be the opposite of a police state. The police are under siege and the thugs are winning. The Baltimore police were ordered to stand down while rocks were being thrown at them. Police across the country are being openly insulted and ordered not to do anything about it. What will happen is police will stop responding except for the most serious cases, which means you will have to handle it yourself. In my opinion, a tipping point has been reached in America and this is going to get much worse. The thugs smell blood. I am glad I am in Mexico.

This has the ring of hard truth. I agree; with the announcement of murder charges against an officer, some sort of threshold has been crossed here.

I've been watching the Baltimore drama over the past week with a mounting sense of unease about what it might mean for the short and long term. Only time will tell, but I was surprised that criminal charges had been announced and filed by a 35-year old, relatively inexperienced prosecutor.

Here are my reasons for not liking where this is going:

1. The prosecutor, Marilyn Mosby, said in her (grandstanding) speech something to the effect that "I have heard the voices of the youth call out for 'no justice, no peace.' I have heard your calls, and promise to bring justice."

The problem with pronouncements like this is that they give the undeniable impression that the rancorous mob is driving events, not the interests of justice.

The job of a prosecutor is not to listen to rioting mobs chanting slogans. The job of a prosecutor is to calmly and dispassionately analyze the facts. One does not get that impression from listening to her.

2. There seems to be a clear case of conflict of interests here. From what I've heard, Ms. Mosby has close and continuing ties to the alleged victim in this case, as well as to other parties. She should recuse herself.

3. Criminal charges came down with blinding speed. The smoke has hardly cleared from the burning ruins of Baltimore, and yet Ms. Mosby feels the need to further stoke the fires. What should have happened was a detailed investigation that would have at least taken 60 days or so. This would have allowed passions to cool, would have permitted adequate medical evaluation of the evidence, and given the time for secondary or tertiary opinions.

4. Most ominously, the public policy message being sent here is--in my view--very dangerous. We now have a precedent for police officer en masse being charged with very serious crimes. This is unprecedented, really. In the past, officers were generally given the benefit of the doubt. They have needed this benefit, because to patrol the mean streets of the city, officers need to be able to use their initiative and discretion without worrying about being accused of crimes. This is the whole idea behind the legal concept of sovereign immunity.

And now this principle has been eroded, if not discarded. The message being sent by Ms. Mosby's rash and impetuous actions is now this: you are going to be second-guessed, scrutinized, and seen as under suspicion. This is going to have a very dangerous "chilling effect" on law enforcement.

Officers are now going to think twice about interceding to help others. They're going to think twice about putting themselves in harm's way. They're going to think twice about entering certain areas. The overall effect of all this will be an increase in lawlessness, disrespect for authority, and resentment.

Already this is happening. I read just the other day that an off-duty female officer was stabbed by an assailant who "hated cops": http://www.click2houston.com/news/hcc-po...t/32611780

I'm going to be following this trial closely. These officers need to go on the offense, and that needs to happen now. The attack has to take place on several fronts:

1. A vigorous defense that attacks all aspects of the medical evidence, and exposes the criminal case to be flawed.

2. The prosecutor's motives need to be examined to see if she has violated any of the rules of professional conduct. As noted above, there seems to be overcharging going on here, as well as serious conflicts of interest, and a failure to adequately investigate this case.

3. Civil actions against the city, media organizations, or other groups need to be looked at.

It will be an interesting trial. If I were an officer, I would already have a bodycam and would never leave home without it. I wouldn't trust my superiors, knowing that I could get thrown under the bus at any moment.

The authority of the state is being directly challenged here, and as I see it, that authority is wavering.

[tarquin]

I agree, QC, with everything you have said. However in the perceived majority of jurisdictions, Police Unions and Prosecutors have not wisely chosen their battles. It is difficult for a mob of people to believe in "the system," whatever that system is, when it has been avoided in favor of cronyism. Prosecutors are now faced with having to apply the law to all as opposed to turning a blind eye like in the past. I can't fault some of the younger prosecutors for not knowing where the line is drawn because they were hired into the corrupt system. It will take some growing pains, but I would rather have the younger prosecutors cut their teeth and find out where justice demands that they exercise discretion as opposed to having the old guard go through the motions. What we have now is a pendulum swinging too far and too fast because of prior inaction.

[TheWastelander]

It is all very interesting. Police in Baltimore, Chicago, and some other big northeastern cities have been crippled by corruption, brutality, political ideology, bureaucracy, militarization, and forced into roles as drug-warriors. All of this leads to widespread mistrust. They're no longer allowed to effectively respond to tribalistic, racist groups battling it out in the inner cities because it would be bad for the politicians so they have a "fuck it" attitude, leaving the law-abiding poor in the no-go zones to fend for themselves.

I talk to these people often enough in my own city and they can't really do much about their current situation.

What needs to happen is that we need to just legalize drugs. Beyond that, I don't know what can economically be done to help these areas. The people there don't have a lot of skills and the manufacturing jobs we sent overseas are never coming back. They'll keep moving to poorer and poorer countries where the labor's cheaper and the regulations aren't stringent.

I predict a large flight of the middle class folks still living in Baltimore. It'll wind up like the other big shitholes: there will be the very rich and the very poor. The poor will be addicted to what handouts they can get from the government since there aren't any jobs, thereby entrenching the Democratic Party rule even further. The mainstream media (which is really just a propaganda arm at this point and has a highly incestuous relationship with the government) will not be interested in investigating corruption and give them a pass.

It's a sign of things to come for the country as a whole if shit doesn't change. In the future the big cities might very well look like Johannesburg and the people living in the country and suburbs will be heavily-armed to keep the rot from spreading.