[Il Bersagliere]

Hey guys.

So today I talked to this chick/lizard/cat on the phone for roughly an hour. She called me out of the blue and we talked for a bit. We met on an online dating platform and exchanged numbers.

She's a foreign girl (euro) in my area with a budding American accent and is so prideful because her uncle lives in Alaska. So, I start the call very high energy and she starts shit testing me about my job. I swat her tests with amused mastery and humor. We proceed to "have a normal conversation," however I am still talking with high energy and start qualifying her/teasing her about her travel preferences.

I integrate a little knowledge about my travels and shift the talk to her experiences and she's investing a little more now. She talks about work and I tease. She talks about hobbies and I tease her about being "boring" -- that I could never hang out with her (push/pull?). I am making a lot of statements (assumptions) about what I think she is and she is qualifying herself/giving me compliance.

Towards the end of the phone call, we want to set up a movie date at my place. She likes action movies and I tell her the ones I know are too intense for her. She asks for names and I decline it as a "surprise." She then asks for a final request to webcam with me. I joked that I was topless and that only "after she's been good," she could see me. Ended the call with good-byes and date in the near future.

I am being general above, but my question is this --

Is this how the game is played? In person, would I simply replicate (with variation) what I did above with some light kino, venue changes, logistical leading, etc.?

I would like a little feedback on this. It's been a while. I suffered from 1-itis for a year and was on hiatus before taking the red pill. Thanks guys.

[eradicator]

avoid long phone conversations in the future.

[topdog]

Sounds like a B+ performance for me (good).

Don't give her what she demands.
Only reward her when you want to.

Once she comes over, put the movie on. Stay close to her. Escalate so you are making out around minute 20 of the film. Wine also helps.

[Aphex]

Make the conversations short, just about where you want her to meet you, maybe tease her a bit about her day. Break off the conversation first like you have some shit to take care of. You don't want to get into the cycle of being the friend she calls but never meets up with. You said you had talked about a future date, that's a mistake. Make the plans, tell her what they are and get off the phone because you're busy. You guys can talk all you want when you're together and she's back at your place. Other than that, sounds like you know what's up. I would just keep the phone calls for plans and game her like you did when you're with her.

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-26-2015 07:09 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Hey guys.

So today I talked to this chick/lizard/cat on the phone for roughly an hour. She called me out of the blue and we talked for a bit. We met on an online dating platform and exchanged numbers.

She's a foreign girl (euro) in my area with a budding American accent and is so prideful because her uncle lives in Alaska. So, I start the call very high energy and she starts shit testing me about my job. I swat her tests with amused mastery and humor. We proceed to "have a normal conversation," however I am still talking with high energy and start qualifying her/teasing her about her travel preferences.

I integrate a little knowledge about my travels and shift the talk to her experiences and she's investing a little more now. She talks about work and I tease. She talks about hobbies and I tease her about being "boring" -- that I could never hang out with her (push/pull?). I am making a lot of statements (assumptions) about what I think she is and she is qualifying herself/giving me compliance.

Towards the end of the phone call, we want to set up a movie date at my place. She likes action movies and I tell her the ones I know are too intense for her. She asks for names and I decline it as a "surprise." She then asks for a final request to webcam with me. I joked that I was topless and that only "after she's been good," she could see me. Ended the call with good-byes and date in the near future.

I am being general above, but my question is this --

Is this how the game is played? In person, would I simply replicate (with variation) what I did above with some light kino, venue changes, logistical leading, etc.?

I would like a little feedback on this. It's been a while. I suffered from 1-itis for a year and was on hiatus before taking the red pill. Thanks guys.

I LOVE IT WHEN THE YOUTH PICK UP THE SKILLS

Very good for a newb. Yes, this is how the game is played. You defanged her, kept the frame, got compliance....The conversation was enjoyable, and you got her to agree to a house and movie date from just connecting online.

You also vitally introduced sexuality to the mix via flirtation. She can't be confused. A lot of guys can be clever, but they're afraid to escalate VERBALLY by flirting.

Improvements?
Having her bring dessert or wine, would have been the icing on the cake (maybe you did that, didn't read it) - cause you got her to financially invest in the date, AND give her something to do FOR YOU/US.

Beautiful Game, text book even.

I love it when folks take the lessons



WIA

[BlurredSevens]

(01-17-1970 08:24 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Very good for a newb.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

First off, respect for pulling all this off via a phone call. It's highly likely that she hasn't flirted with a guy on the phone for a very long time, so the fact alone let's me know you're on the right track.

Overall it sounds like you know what's up, and that you've done your homework.

My advice would be to cease studying for a little bit, and work on putting all your newfound knowledge to good use.

Doing so will give you perspective, and when you start studying again you'll be able to answer a lot of your own questions, since you'll have accumulated some experience.

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To directly answer your question, yes, what you did on the phone would translate well to a first date scenario. Paired with alcohol and physical touching, and you're well on your way to a one night stand.

Good luck and have fun!

[Saweeep]

(04-26-2015 08:27 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

avoid long phone conversations in the future.

Why? He's obviously quite good at it.

I've always had excellent phone and text game and take any opportunity to use it.

Numerous times for me, a quick chat on the phone has turned a maybe girl into a definitely girl.


For your starter player, I would agree it's something to be worked on, not necessarily something to be avoided altogether.

[eradicator]

(05-05-2015 02:12 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(04-26-2015 08:27 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

avoid long phone conversations in the future.

Why? He's obviously quite good at it.

I've always had excellent phone and text game and take any opportunity to use it.

Numerous times for me, a quick chat on the phone has turned a maybe girl into a definitely girl.


For your starter player, I would agree it's something to be worked on, not necessarily something to be avoided altogether.

The longer it goes on, the more chances that you could say something that she won't like, but doesn't say anything and then uses that as an excuse to not meet up. If you had the same conversation in person, it would be a lot easier to recover, just ramp up the kino and she will forget it pretty quick. You can't do that over the phone.

If I let a phone conversation go on longer than about 20 minutes, I'd say I messed up, especially if it is a girl I met from online dating instead of day game.

I'd say this is even more true for women from other countries like the one in the OP. I had one chick get really offended when I used the term "under the table" when talking about nannies that work in the usa and want to avoid taxes. She got really offended and said that she thought I was making some sort of sexual remark about women from other countries that work 'under the table' and would not meet up. She had just not heard the phrase before(was from another country originally). She was neither a nanny nor working under the table but it didn't matter. The rest of the conversation went good, and it was all for nothing because of a simple miscommunication. The longer you let the conversation go on, the longer the likelihood of something like this happening increases.

So don't let the conversation go on longer than it has to, if girl is liking you and wants to meet up, get to the logistics sooner and get off the phone while you are still on a somewhat of a high. I also think it is possible to let day game approaches go on too long, even if you are good at day game and the girl is liking you, if you spend more than a few minutes talking to a girl at a supermarket, or wherever, without closing and moving on, or going for an instadate and a venue change, it is a mistake

[Saweeep]

^^ I take your point about foreign girls.

However, I think that if you are good at it, phone game is the perfect warm up for the actual date.

I love phone calls...long ones too.

They can be great fun and I've never messed up personally but I can see how easily it could be done.

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-05-2015 07:35 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

The longer it goes on, the more chances that you could say something that she won't like,

That's running scared.
That's in line with that whole "don't fuck it up" mindset.

As a long term practice, the "conversation kills" mentality will fuck up your game.

WIA

[Dalaran1991]

(05-05-2015 07:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 07:35 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

The longer it goes on, the more chances that you could say something that she won't like,

That's running scared.
That's in line with that whole "don't fuck it up" mindset.

As a long term practice, the "conversation kills" mentality will fuck up your game.

WIA

What are we to do WIA? Play the conversation game and accept that you will suck at the beginning and will have a longer learning curve, but long term benefits are worth it?

Because I have to agree when I was a noob the more I yapped the more I fucked things up royally

[WestIndianArchie]

(05-05-2015 08:17 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 07:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 07:35 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

The longer it goes on, the more chances that you could say something that she won't like,

That's running scared.
That's in line with that whole "don't fuck it up" mindset.

As a long term practice, the "conversation kills" mentality will fuck up your game.

WIA

What are we to do WIA? Play the conversation game and accept that you will suck at the beginning and will have a longer learning curve, but long term benefits are worth it?

Because I have to agree when I was a noob the more I yapped the more I fucked things up royally

Good insight Dalaran.

Hmm, to make this short, cause I really think this could be developed into something bigger...

If a newb hasn't banged a chick using a systematic approach, stick to the system. I.E. during his first semester, don't yap on the phone, keep it all business.

But after say the first 10 bangs, that second semester starts, a newb has probably gone through 20-30 #s to get that, and 100+ approaches.

Those 20 #'s that "went nowhere" needed him to get on the phone, or get on the text and get the girl to invest and commit over the long distance.

In Op's case, he presented a nice little outline of how the interaction should go, and what you should do and say in a general sense.

WIA

[eradicator]

(05-05-2015 07:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-05-2015 07:35 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

The longer it goes on, the more chances that you could say something that she won't like,

That's running scared.
That's in line with that whole "don't fuck it up" mindset.

As a long term practice, the "conversation kills" mentality will fuck up your game.

WIA

The other thing about calling girls you meet from online for long phone conversations is that when I do that, and it goes well, and then they turn out to be much heavier in person, I really regret it. Obviously this doesn't apply to girls you have already met through other means.

I never said don't call, I just said avoid long phone conversations with girls you haven't met yet. For a number of reasons.