[Pride male]

Bumped into this story and really dont know what to make of it. Pastor tries to play Captain Save a Hoe and white knight for the hoes. I know RVF has a strict no P4P policy so I guess this is a good idea if there were less hookers on the streets. Anyway I think the show is fake. Most people aint really feeling this show. I think it will flop.

Quote:

In the new A&E program 8 Minutes, premiering April 2, sex workers are lured to a location under false pretenses by an unscrupulous man with an agenda. Instead of finding a client, though, the women find Kevin Brown, a cop/pastor who is enjoying a second career in “rescuing” sex workers after spending 20 years in law enforcement. When Brown confronts them, a hidden camera crew flanks him, along with former sex workers whom he has “rescued,” and law enforcement officers, who are standing by in case things escalate.

The show’s title refers to the eight minutes that Brown claims it takes him to talk a woman out of doing sex work. It is an ambush that eerily mirrors the vulgar fantasies that play out in so many hypothetical scenarios that anti-trafficking advocates recount as if they were fact. “He doesn’t pull any punches in his shock therapy,” producer Tom Forman told Entertainment Weekly, apparently unaware of the irony of subjecting sex workers to rhetorical shock therapy when purporting to remove them from coercive situations.

The belief that a strange man in a hotel room can make a more convincing case for quitting sex work than the endless social messages and legal statutes condemning workers is the height of arrogance. The mistake that so many people make—and, in turn, the mistake that 8 Minutes makes—when they implore sex workers to quit: they emphasize leaving sex work while ignoring the very real economic consequences. In the face of limited options, the financial incentive is at the heart of nearly every sex worker’s professional choices. 8 Minutes might be a jobs program for its star and crew; it doesn’t, however, do anything but shame its Houston-based guest stars.

Video is right here

http://www.aetv.com/8-minutes/video/how-...sion-works

[The Lizard of Oz]

From the "advocate" voiceover in the beginning of the video:

"Then, we sit in a monitor room watching as the survivor arrives"

So a simple whore just going about her day's work is now considered a "survivor".

Other uses of the word "survivor" that should be gaining in popularity:

"Did you check to see if the survivor brought the mail today already?"

"Do you happen to know if the survivors are forecasting rain for today?"

"I have to go see the survivor to get my hair done"

[Seth_Rose]

If you can't turn a ho into a housewife, then what are we supposed to expect from a professional ho???

I really can't stand the 'praise' prostitutes get. I remember when I was on court for an underage drinking citation, in the arraignment hearing before mine it was if I recall, a group of hoes who had gone through some rehabilitation program and we're going in front of the judge telling him about the amazing life changes they made, with applause from around the room. Meanwhile I get a stern lecture from the judge because I was at a bar when the cops raided it 3 months before I turned 21.

Also, I find it ironic how liberals praise 'sex workers', but don't want to legalize it. This puts hoes in a more precarious position, but that's just what they want.

As for the show, I've never turned tricks myself, but I'd imagine it would be a hard life to leave. Especially if these girls are drug addicts. Society needs hoes as a source for guys to get off to, let them perform their services uninhibited.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-25-2015 08:08 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Bumped into this story and really dont know what to make of it. Pastor tries to play Captain Save a Hoe and white knight for the hoes. I know RVF has a strict no P4P policy so I guess this is a good idea if there were less hookers on the streets. Anyway I think the show is fake. Most people aint really feeling this show. I think it will flop.

RVF has as far as I have seen the policy of encouraging men to learn Game.

I doubt that most of us are against prostitution itself.

In fact all the data we have from examples around the world and field tests in some US states show that legalization of prostitution almost instantly lowers sexual crime. Plus less people get fined and end up in jail on both sides of the spectrum.

While in an ideal world we would like all men to learn Game, this is simply not going to happen and some men will always need to buy pussy just as some women will want to sell pussy, because it is either more profitable or easier for her to do so.

The show essentially could only help some rare cases of truly trafficked/oppressed women. Most currently in the West have a choice. Even for those who claim they let it go in front of the cameras will be back on the street a while later.

We should legalize all prostitution - it would make things less tense in clubs and online as well. The lower Betas, Omegas and some psychopaths will always have to rely on that to get off for the foreseeable future.

For us here it's better to learn Game - leave you here with a nice quote of Delicious Tacos on prostitution:

   

@ Seth Rose - heh - typical - praise the full-blown whores (and likely drug users) and scorn the casual drinker with the antiquated US drinking laws (many countries in the EU let even 16 year olds into bars and let them drink).

[Nalka]

(04-25-2015 09:04 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

From the "advocate" voiceover in the beginning of the video:

"Then, we sit in a monitor room watching as the survivor arrives"

So a simple whore just going about her day's work is now considered a "survivor".

Other uses of the word "survivor" that should be gaining in popularity:

"Did you check to see if the survivor brought the mail today already?"

"Do you happen to know if the survivors are forecasting rain for today?"

"I have to go see the survivor to get my hair done"

Progressives; using words like sledgehammers until they smash all shape and meaning out of them.

Then it's time to discard those words and find some new ones to abuse.

It's almost like they hate the English language more than they hate straight men.

[rpg]

If a hooker is not a drug addict or insane, they generally like their jobs. They work a few hours a week and make GREAT money. They lie about their profession to everyone that knows them so they have no shame about that. They get to look great all the time. If they are good at what they do the guy will cum in 2 minutes! Whammo they are done and gone. Quality of life comes for the management by a good discrete escort call service. Prostitution is never portrayed accurately by the media. All they ever show is the crackhead on the corner and the johns beating the shit out of girls. The real money is made by the business savvy ones.
That being said, I think game is more effective. A man must be able to "roll his own" bitch. Laying down $200 every time a man wants to fuck is crazy!

[Saweeep]

(04-25-2015 10:37 AM)rpg Wrote:  

If a hooker is not a drug addict or insane, they generally like their jobs. They work a few hours a week and make GREAT money. They lie about their profession to everyone that knows them so they have no shame about that. They get to look great all the time. If they are good at what they do the guy will cum in 2 minutes! Whammo they are done and gone. Quality of life comes for the management by a good discrete escort call service. Prostitution is never portrayed accurately by the media. All they ever show is the crackhead on the corner and the johns beating the shit out of girls. The real money is made by the business savvy ones.
That being said, I think game is more effective. A man must be able to "roll his own" bitch. Laying down $200 every time a man wants to fuck is crazy!

I'm ambivalent about prostitution...however are you saying that in your opinion it is a good move for a woman, as long as it's top end ho-ing? It seems you are but I'm just checking.

[Goldin Boy]

(04-25-2015 10:37 AM)rpg Wrote:  

If a hooker is not a drug addict or insane, they generally like their jobs. They work a few hours a week and make GREAT money.....All they ever show is the crackhead on the corner and the johns beating the shit out of girls. The real money is made by the business savvy ones.
That being said, I think game is more effective. A man must be able to "roll his own" bitch. Laying down $200 every time a man wants to fuck is crazy!

This.

I went to eros.com, a popular escort site, and most girls in NYC have an hourly rate of $400-500. That's about 75% of what I make weekly!

Her hotel is about $150-$300 nightly. So a girl can "work" 3 hours a day 5 days a week and clear $30k monthly, tax-free less food make-up, and board. And that's just infall rates since outcall is more.

I don't think it's so bad that they shame men from using hoes, for me, gaming chicks and getting the bang is matter of pride: Any dude can pay for puss. That TV show reminded me of this song:

[Saweeep]

What you guys are missing is that it may be good for their bank accounts.

It's certainly not good for their souls.

[Cattle Rustler]

Hah, goldling boy just beat me to posting "Don't save her".

[MrXY]

I wonder how many of these "rescued" hookers the cop/pastor has banged?

Maybe this is just his way of building a little harem/cult he has control over.

I'm so cynical.....

[lowhead360]

delete

[dads]

Idealistically, I'm not seeing what is exactly wrong with this. It is acknowledged that slutting around is bad for women, so this guy is trying to stop them. It's equivalent to trying to put out a forrest water with your own spit, but should we really knock the guy for doing what he believes is good? More good than I've done this month...

[Goldin Boy]

Quote:

Honestly, people say rap/hip hop is crude and primitive but either explicitly or implicitly, rap contains a TON of intelligent red pill truths.

Not so much anymore. The mainstream has co-opted hip-hop culture and most of it's red pill messages have been supplanted by simping, materialism(which was always there but its been amplified), and go-girlism.

He proud he wifed a stripper. This would've been career suicide for Usher in 2000, hot beat or not. Rick Ross had to apologize for a rape reference. The red pill stuff has been expunged from the singles in favor of PC club songs.


I still remember Dan Quayle denouncing "2Pacolypse Now" in a Congressional Hearings in the 90's. It was too real, too honest so the Elites had to sanitize it and make it safe and profitable for them.

Even the beefs are terrible now, Kendrick Lamar's Control verse or Lil Wayne's Pusha T diss. Compare those to Ether, Jay-z's Takeover, or any of the 100 diss song 50 Cent made toward Ja Rule. The competitiveness and the aggression have been fading as the music has moved further from the hood each year.

Thanks for this comment, it gave me an idea for an ROK article!

Sorry about the derail, let's back to hoes.

[JohnKreese]

(04-25-2015 09:04 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

From the "advocate" voiceover in the beginning of the video:

"Then, we sit in a monitor room watching as the survivor arrives"

So a simple whore just going about her day's work is now considered a "survivor".

Other uses of the word "survivor" that should be gaining in popularity:

"Did you check to see if the survivor brought the mail today already?"

"Do you happen to know if the survivors are forecasting rain for today?"

"I have to go see the survivor to get my hair done"

[cowboy]

P4P is more popular in the U.S. than most people want to admit and due to the trade being illegal the "upscale" girls make a fortune. Next time you are in a good lounge or club in NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, etc. a few of the 7-10's in the venue will actually be girls who escort on the side (but will never admit it publicly). I have friends that have banged/dated girls who later found this out. One of my buddies dated a girl that was hot, college educated, normal "traditional" family upbringing, and he later found out she had been in the business. Like another poster stated, some of these girls are high end and make a ton of cash, probably get off on the taboo factor of the gig, and once again make a lot of money. They dress up, are nice to the guy (aren't bitches), and lay on their back and make money quick. The taboo factor shows how confused the U.S really is. Considering this nation has a decline of traditional values and religion, is business dominated, wants women to be financially free, logically you think there wouldn't be an issue. Especially in a country where "normal" girls are jumping on a different cock every week. Of course the ugly side consists of the possibility of drug abuse, pimps, other dangers, etc. However, like anything else, some girls will use to the money to attain a better quality of life while others will go into the gutter.

I have German friends who have said that countries with legalized prostitution have less rape and sex crimes but I have not personally seen the statistics. However, a Beta in Germany or Holland can pay a few Euros and bang a 10 and be sexually satisfied resulting in less frustration/anger. In countries that have legalized prostitution there is less trafficking, more oversight, and more health regulation resulting in a better environment than by just pushing everything underground into a dark, shadowy world. My years in Europe opened my eyes to different social methods. It also illustrated to me how behind and ignorant the US truly is.

I am not advocating that the world embrace P4P or substitute P4P for game. Game is about self improvement which is what I like about it. A beta totally relying on P4P is more of an addict. He might as well be an alcoholic or drug addict.

[rpg]

Back in the old days prostitution was used to gain experience. A young guy wanted to learn the ropes so he would be cool and calm when finally it came time with the girl of his dreams. Old men could get off with a hooker when his wife was too old and sick to keep him happy. This was completely vilified by feminism. Now we have hot girls profiteering from it and useless hags using it to feed their drug habit. Legalize it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-25-2015 04:34 PM)cowboy Wrote:  

I have German friends who have said that countries with legalized prostitution have less rape and sex crimes but I have not personally seen the statistics. However, a Beta in Germany or Holland can pay a few Euros and bang a 10 and be sexually satisfied resulting in less frustration/anger. In countries that have legalized prostitution there is less trafficking, more oversight, and more health regulation resulting in a better environment than by just pushing everything underground into a dark, shadowy world. My years in Europe opened my eyes to different social methods. It also illustrated to me how behind and ignorant the US truly is.

I've researched the topic a bit at another thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42241-...#pid876771

In it you will find examples from Rhode Island (legalized prostitution for a couple of years) - also difference between Sweden, Germany and Canada.

Generally the more illegal it is the more the hookers can earn, but the less safe it becomes and sexual violence is instantly related with that. The low level poor potential rapist does not have the cash to spend 200$ on a quality lay. In Germany he can get that for 30$-40$ with a slim pretty girl. In those countries discount and factory pussy exist in tandem with high quality one.

Either way - the facts for now show that legalization is a must despite lowering income for some hookers.

For men with Game it should at best be a rare exception. The only time where I can honestly think that the experience changes for escorts is when the guy is famous and she suddenly enjoys being with the man. Maybe that's why Charlie Sheen likes them so much, because they are actually happy to fuck a star. For most other men it will be like fucking a corpse / fake actress while she thinks of anything but you - as Delicious Tacos put it so well in his message to the Tinder-Bot.

[MikeS]

(04-25-2015 04:58 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 04:34 PM)cowboy Wrote:  

I have German friends who have said that countries with legalized prostitution have less rape and sex crimes but I have not personally seen the statistics. However, a Beta in Germany or Holland can pay a few Euros and bang a 10 and be sexually satisfied resulting in less frustration/anger. In countries that have legalized prostitution there is less trafficking, more oversight, and more health regulation resulting in a better environment than by just pushing everything underground into a dark, shadowy world. My years in Europe opened my eyes to different social methods. It also illustrated to me how behind and ignorant the US truly is.

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For men with Game it should at best be a rare exception. The only time where I can honestly think that the experience changes for escorts is when the guy is famous and she suddenly enjoys being with the man. Maybe that's why Charlie Sheen likes them so much, because they are actually happy to fuck a star. For most other men it will be like fucking a corpse / fake actress while she thinks of anything but you - as Delicious Tacos put it so well in his message to the Tinder-Bot.

I take it you've never actually had sex with a hooker? A decent one with good sexual skills and a willingness and ability to reasonably fake enthusiasm (I have no experience with US hookers, those qualities might be broadly unheard of among them), is not necessarily a worse lay than the average ONS with a club slut. And potentially a better lay if you're both sober.
Whether the hooker gets anything out of it aside from money is irrelevant for me as it's physical stimulation and not ego stimulation I'm interested in in those situations.

Regardless of the mostly negative stance towards directly paying for sex among the PUA/manosphere community, I'll continue to consider it a preferred alternative to masturbation during dry spells lasting more than a couple of weeks.
Paying for sex is the equivalent of ordering fast food as far as I'm concerned. Not very suitable as your sole diet, but unlikely to cause harm if consumed occasionally.

(Yes, I know we should all be aiming for our own convenient little harems and 24/7 on-call sex from young, horny minxes who love pleasuring us, but that's probably not likely to be a realistic constant option for all but the most dedicated or naturally gifted men - likely even a modest minority here on RVF I suspect. I know I sure as hell burn out on dating every few months and need a break, and I no longer enjoy regular nightlife outings.)

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-25-2015 06:29 PM)MikeS Wrote:  

I take it you've never actually had sex with a hooker? A decent one with good sexual skills and a willingness and ability to reasonably fake enthusiasm (I have no experience with US hookers, those qualities might be broadly unheard of among them), is not necessarily a worse lay than the average ONS with a club slut. And potentially a better lay if you're both sober.
Whether the hooker gets anything out of it aside from money is irrelevant for me as it's physical stimulation and not ego stimulation I'm interested in in those situations.

Yeah - I have friends who can barely differentiate between fucking a willing enthusiastic girl, a hooker or a cucumber, but they are in the stark minority.

Those who are more perceptive enjoy it 100 times more with a woman who loves the sex and likes it with you, because she is actually attracted to you.

I am not discarding it for men and there is no need of explain yourself - you can do whatever you want. Besides - many guys with Dan Bilzerian's cash would gladly pay a couple grand to lay their favorite porn star / Instagram model / B-level Hollywood actress / runway model - the more wealthy you are, the higher the temptations can be and the better the experience simulated by it. In some instances likely the differences between fake and real are blurred themselves, but I would not count on it.

And yeah - I have experiences with whores - I was a pimp owning an Escort Agency for a year. Met plenty of Eastern European girls and I got to know them from the other side - some of the young ones sometimes enjoyed it if they were new to it - the rest hated it despite a high sex drive. It destroys most women inwardly - sucks their soul dry like a black hole that grows with every dick that pays for her.

[eradicator]

(04-25-2015 10:21 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(04-25-2015 08:08 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Bumped into this story and really dont know what to make of it. Pastor tries to play Captain Save a Hoe and white knight for the hoes. I know RVF has a strict no P4P policy so I guess this is a good idea if there were less hookers on the streets. Anyway I think the show is fake. Most people aint really feeling this show. I think it will flop.

RVF has as far as I have seen the policy of encouraging men to learn Game.

I doubt that most of us are against prostitution itself.

In fact all the data we have from examples around the world and field tests in some US states show that legalization of prostitution almost instantly lowers sexual crime. Plus less people get fined and end up in jail on both sides of the spectrum.

While in an ideal world we would like all men to learn Game, this is simply not going to happen and some men will always need to buy pussy just as some women will want to sell pussy, because it is either more profitable or easier for her to do so.

The show essentially could only help some rare cases of truly trafficked/oppressed women. Most currently in the West have a choice. Even for those who claim they let it go in front of the cameras will be back on the street a while later.

We should legalize all prostitution - it would make things less tense in clubs and online as well. The lower Betas, Omegas and some psychopaths will always have to rely on that to get off for the foreseeable future.

For us here it's better to learn Game - leave you here with a nice quote of Delicious Tacos on prostitution:



@ Seth Rose - heh - typical - praise the full-blown whores (and likely drug users) and scorn the casual drinker with the antiquated US drinking laws (many countries in the EU let even 16 year olds into bars and let them drink).

for the future, next time offer to be her pimp to send her to dubai to get defacated on by the oil sheiks.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-26-2015 03:27 AM)eradicator Wrote:  

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for the future, next time offer to be her pimp to send her to dubai to get defacated on by the oil sheiks.

Indeed - that's a good show.

"But first, I have to find out whether you are any good, since the sheiks have high standards. "
After two hours: "Still not convinced. Come back tomorrow. Hope you will try harder then."

But seriously - that entire show is just terrible White-Knightery.

They call the prostitutes/escorts victims or survivors - wtf?

While it is true that quite a few want to get out of the job, but stay because of the money, drugs, violent pimp Alpha bondage relationship, I seriously doubt that they are the majority.

BTW - I was never that kind of pimp. Essentially I was a dude who set up a site, got to know some older girls (26) who recruited younger ones (18-24), the girls came over stayed in my apartment, got fucked by me & my buddy (for free), visited the client and made 60% of the total profits. Then sometimes we even went out with the girls to night-clubs showing them the city. We stopped after some 8 months, because I did not like the feel of the whole biz - it is dark and sometimes the girls came back crying, although nothing really bad happened to them. The worst thing was a client getting angry and throwing her out of the apartment with the cash littered after her. Then you had to console her extra-hard (heh). The most violent pimp like thing we had to do was to throw out an older madam who got us some girls, but then began terrorizing the women - turned out she was an alcoholic with a BPD personality. Most of the men were terrible Betas/Omegas with very rare instances of wealthy Alphas who did not have time. One guy ordered a girl to fly to London, told her to come to a party he was hosting, but only had time to take her to a broom-closet, fuck her for 15 minutes and then told her that she was free to go (he paid her for a day + transport fees).

It was more or less professionally done - setting up a 40 page business plan and adhering to the steps. Also back then I had taken some late courses at university and had plenty of time for that. The money was fine - though not great, but the darkness of the business was all-permeating. After our silent partner died in a car accident drunk and on coke we took it as a sign from above to let it all go. We could have expanded it more into a big enterprise as according to the business plan, but then we might have encountered the darker elements, seen more shit, had to deal with the underworld at some level, smear the cops etc. When you are a small operator or a single girl offering pussy on Instagram you are essentially free like a bird even when covered in shit.

I am sure there are guys out there who would love to do that kind of thing and couldn't be more happy, but it wasn't for me.

But I can tell you that sponsorships or having sugar daddies are a different thing for those girls. Some even stated that those arrangements were their goals. Others rationalized it in their hamster-brains. While I was more Blue Pill back then I remember talking about those relationships as some kind of great thing. I guess it changes when women have one guy with whom they can bond more on an emotional level. Sometimes they even fall in love with those men if the guy is more Alpha in character.

So P4P has many slippery slopes on it - some sugar-daddies coming pretty close to husband territory or even crossing it if they can elicit some true sexual desire or emotional connection:

From Lover to Provider:
1. Alpha sport fuck
2. Fuck buddy
3. Harem member
4. R-selected boyfriend
5. K-selected boyfriend
6. Husband
7. Sugar Daddy
8. Prostitution

The London Daygamers have published a few articles on that topic.

[Pride male]

^^What about porn, is it also not prostitution? The only reason prostitution is illegal is because it is hard to tax that motherfucker.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-26-2015 09:14 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

^^What about porn, is it also not prostitution? The only reason prostitution is illegal is because it is hard to tax that motherfucker.

I haven't done porn and never been witness to a scene. Eric from Backroom Casting, who is reading 'sphere sites and sometimes post stuff on Twitter, mentioned that it depends.

I can imagine that some have true excitement at first, cameras rolling - new experiences, so they don't separate between real sex and fake sex. It is real to them in the beginning. I have heard that many male actors love fucking newcomers, because they know that.
Then again some producers said that there is so much chemistry between some actors that you see them fucking in their breaks as well. I guess it truly depends on their sexual chemistry, but from Red Pill viewpoint I think that the female hamster definitely sees porn differently unless her sexual partner is weird, terribly business-like, unattractive to her, deep Beta/Omega - then it will be purely prostitution-like with better fake acting.

Eric from Backroom Casting said that he meets quite a few of the girls he shoots with for sex afterwards (unpaid) - probably only those that actually liked it.

If you think about it women have all those reasons to rationalize it all making things either more exciting or more boring to her - for example:

+ guy is famous = he is super-hot and sex is great despite him doing nothing special
+ guy is billionaire = sex is better (if he is Alpha)
+ guy has cool job (fighter pilot, stunt man, pro sportsman) = why should this matter at all?

Seriously - if you think about it - female attraction is highly subjective. For us it's mostly about what we see and can feel plus some chemistry part. So essentially we have youth, beauty, body. To us it matters little if she is famous, super-rich, has a cool job, is fun to be around and is a great person even. If the first parts of the attraction scale are not there, we are not overly interested in fucking her. If she is an 18 year old 9 in our type, we simply don't care much whether she is famous, rich or has a lousy or cool job.

Now I know that r-selected seduction goes without money, but still - a lot of it is in her head - we create this bubble with Game when meeting a girl. There is no way a man can be gamed like that, because we lack the firmware.

[Geomann180]

I complete misread the thread title at first.

I thought it was about skilled hookers.

"Cum in 8 minutes or it's free!"

G