[nek]

(08-12-2016 12:01 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As for the actual declaration; it is the captain's job to tell the referee what his team intends to do with the penalty. Once a decision has been made, it cannot be changed.

What about in the case of a quick tap? From what I've observed it seems like a random player just comes up and performs the quick tap without anyone declaring intent (either to the ref or to someone in their own team).

[britchard]

(09-22-2016 10:21 PM)nek Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 12:01 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

As for the actual declaration; it is the captain's job to tell the referee what his team intends to do with the penalty. Once a decision has been made, it cannot be changed.

What about in the case of a quick tap? From what I've observed it seems like a random player just comes up and performs the quick tap without anyone declaring intent (either to the ref or to someone in their own team).

I think the best way to think about it would be likening a quick tap in Rugby to a quick free kick in (proper) football. Since it is effectively just naturally restarting the play, there is no need for the captain to tell the referee.

[nek]

So I noticed that South Africa will be playing the Barbarians in the upcoming internationals, and that the Barbarians have several south Africans on their team. Is there some sort of etiquette that determines if a guy plays for the Barbarians against his own national team? If a guy was selected for both, does he always pick his own side to play for?

[brick tamland]

@nek, the barbarians are an invitational team only. There are 8 south Africans in the barbarians squad, but all of them are players who were not selected for the South African Test team (the national team) touring the northern hemisphere this November. So there was no possibility of a double call-up (to two separate teams). In fact, many Barbarians players were not even on the radar for making it into a current Test squad (in other words, representing their own nations).

[Mr. Ripley]

The All Blacks are playing Ireland this weekend in Chicago. I'd implore you to watch it!

[deerhunter]

Ireland for the win. Awesome. Makes the tribe losing OK in comparison.

[Mr. Ripley]

Wow historic win! Congrats Ireland, thoroughly deserved.

[nek]

I was reading this thread about how scrums have become a problem do to the egregiously crooked feeds, and how they've become completely unfair. My question about this, though, is if you make the scrums fair by enforcing the rules as written, what benefit would their be to the side that feeds? To phrase it another - more to the point - way, how would it be a punishment to the team that committed the infraction that caused the scrum in the first place?

P.S., Yes, I tried to register on that site just to get this question answered, it kicked me back saying that I was a robot. I'm not a robot. I'm a man.

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

(12-14-2016 06:04 PM)nek Wrote:  

I was reading this thread about how scrums have become a problem do to the egregiously crooked feeds, and how they've become completely unfair. My question about this, though, is if you make the scrums fair by enforcing the rules as written, what benefit would their be to the side that feeds? To phrase it another - more to the point - way, how would it be a punishment to the team that committed the infraction that caused the scrum in the first place?

P.S., Yes, I tried to register on that site just to get this question answered, it kicked me back saying that I was a robot. I'm not a robot. I'm a man.

The scrum half will usually tap the hooker before feeding the ball to give the team with the feed the advantage but the higher the level of play, assuming a straight feed the advantage diminishes against better bookers.

[T and A Man]

I've never seen a scrum half tap a hooker in a scrum prior to the feed. Its not an action that would be easily hid and the opposing half would yell out to alert his hooker.

What I have seen virtually everywhere is the hooker will tap his open side prop on the should to signal to his half back to "feed now".

Back to the query, crooked feeds give a benefit to the side feeding, to ensure even greater success of winning the ball. No scrum Hal is going in crooked the other way to lose possession.

A straight feed is about making the contest as fair as possible.

This is the story of rugby league circa the 1910's, its pretty much a result of professionalism.

League ended up making the scrum a no contest and foregone conclusion.

[nek]

(12-14-2016 09:44 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

I've never seen a scrum half tap a hooker in a scrum prior to the feed. Its not an action that would be easily hid and the opposing half would yell out to alert his hooker.

What I have seen virtually everywhere is the hooker will tap his open side prop on the should to signal to his half back to "feed now".

Back to the query, crooked feeds give a benefit to the side feeding, to ensure even greater success of winning the ball. No scrum Hal is going in crooked the other way to lose possession.

A straight feed is about making the contest as fair as possible.

This is the story of rugby league circa the 1910's, its pretty much a result of professionalism.

League ended up making the scrum a no contest and foregone conclusion.

I just see a situation where a team with a dominant scrum would continue to commit infractions knowing that they have a good chance of winning the ball back in a scrum if it's feed in straight. So instead of being punished for an infraction, it becomes a reward of sorts. How is this issue rectified?

[Rob Banks]

Why is it that when a player kicks the ball out of bounds (over the touch-line), his own team gets a line-out (instead of the opposing team getting a line-out).

Why doesn't this just encourage players to just continue to kick the ball downfield and out of bounds every time they have the ball?

If I have possession of the ball near the center line, and I kick the ball downfield in the direction of the opposing team's goal line and out of bounds (over the touch-line), this will result in my team being awarded a line-out near the opposing team's goal line, correct? So what is preventing players from just doing this every time they have the ball? Why try and run with the ball to gain a few yards, when you can just kick the ball out of bounds and gain a lot more ground?

There must be something I'm missing, if someone who is more familiar with the game could explain it to me.

[T and A Man]

That will only happen if the team kicking it out of touch was immediately awarded a penalty.

Its a benefit to the team receiving a penalty as a gift to advance the ball

[Rob Banks]

(12-15-2016 06:41 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

That will only happen if the team kicking it out of touch was immediately awarded a penalty.

Its a benefit to the team receiving a penalty as a gift to advance the ball

So what happens if a player kicks the ball out of touch and is not awarded a penalty? Does his team not get a line-out?

[britchard]

(12-15-2016 05:06 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 06:41 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

That will only happen if the team kicking it out of touch was immediately awarded a penalty.

Its a benefit to the team receiving a penalty as a gift to advance the ball

So what happens if a player kicks the ball out of touch and is not awarded a penalty? Does his team not get a line-out?

Well the awarding of a penalty happens before the ball is kicked out of play. If the ball is in open play (no penalty has been given, game hasn't been stopped) and a player kicks it out, the other team will get the lineout.

If a penalty has been given, the team awarded the penalty can do a quick start, kick for touch (to get their team a lineout), or kick for 3 points if they are close enough.

Some penalties result in scrummages, some in kicking.

[Rob Banks]

↑↑ I see. That makes more sense.

They should have that rule in soccer, too. If your team gets a free kick and you kick the ball out of bounds, your team would get a throw-in instead of the opposing team.

[LordMayorMuffSniff]

(12-14-2016 09:44 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

I've never seen a scrum half tap a hooker in a scrum prior to the feed. Its not an action that would be easily hid and the opposing half would yell out to alert his hooker.

What I have seen virtually everywhere is the hooker will tap his open side prop on the should to signal to his half back to "feed now".

You ever played/ watched Rugby? What do you think Wil Genia's doing lol?

[britchard]

Who's enjoying the Six Nations then? I've watched both England games and Scotland vs Ireland, and it's been great so far. Who's impressed you and who hasn't?

[brick tamland]

   

Former Australian international player, Daniel Vickerman, passed away two days ago at his home at the tender age of 37. No foul play suspected and the mainstream press have displayed a lot of decorum by not even speculating about the cause of death. Unfortunately, in fact, he ended his life.

Dan, was a big and tough man, and his stats while playing read 204 cm (6 foot 8) and 119 kg (262 pounds). His playing position was specialist lock. He was born in South Africa and represented that nation's junior international team, before moving to Australia and this time represented Australia's junior international team. Within two years, he represented Australia in 2003 at the prestigious World Cup tournament (which is held only once every four years). As a rare feat, he went on to play in another two World Cups, the last one as recently as 2011.
Dan's playing style was tough and uncompromising, and at his best, he was arguably the last truly world class tight forward that Australia has had in recent years.

Here's the problem - Dan was an overachiever, to the extent that he even planned for his post-retirement life right in the middle of his career. By the age of 32 he had 63 appearances for the Australian rugby team and a rare 3 world cup appearances, and a degree from Cambridge University, which he obtained whilst still a professional player. He quit rugby during his prime years to study at the world-famous varsity, and made a successful return to the game, before quitting once again due to a persistent injury.

What has caused a lot of shock is that from the outside, he was a role model and achiever, with a wife and two young children and instead of fading into obscurity or even poverty like some, he stayed involved with the sport from a distance while working in the corporate sector, including a stint with international auditing giant, KPMG.

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2017/02/20/da...st-before/

[britchard]

We smashed Scotland. Now to look forward to next weekend for a great game against the Irish who will be desperate to try and stop us from getting the Grand Slam!

[deerhunter]

England is definitely on a roll and will be a hard match for the Irish. Makes me think of this Ad that was apparently banned. Go Ireland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHMysy-MJXI

[Mr. Ripley]

Edited.

[Mr. Ripley]

(03-11-2017 10:19 PM)Mr. Ripley Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 05:30 AM)brick tamland Wrote:  

Former Australian international player, Daniel Vickerman, passed away two days ago at his home at the tender age of 37. No foul play suspected and the mainstream press have displayed a lot of decorum by not even speculating about the cause of death. Unfortunately, in fact, he ended his life.

Dan, was a big and tough man, and his stats while playing read 204 cm (6 foot 8) and 119 kg (262 pounds). His playing position was specialist lock. He was born in South Africa and represented that nation's junior international team, before moving to Australia and this time represented Australia's junior international team. Within two years, he represented Australia in 2003 at the prestigious World Cup tournament (which is held only once every four years). As a rare feat, he went on to play in another two World Cups, the last one as recently as 2011.
Dan's playing style was tough and uncompromising, and at his best, he was arguably the last truly world class tight forward that Australia has had in recent years.

Here's the problem - Dan was an overachiever, to the extent that he even planned for his post-retirement life right in the middle of his career. By the age of 32 he had 63 appearances for the Australian rugby team and a rare 3 world cup appearances, and a degree from Cambridge University, which he obtained whilst still a professional player. He quit rugby during his prime years to study at the world-famous varsity, and made a successful return to the game, before quitting once again due to a persistent injury.

What has caused a lot of shock is that from the outside, he was a role model and achiever, with a wife and two young children and instead of fading into obscurity or even poverty like some, he stayed involved with the sport from a distance while working in the corporate sector, including a stint with international auditing giant, KPMG.

http://www.2oceansvibe.com/2017/02/20/da...st-before/

RIP Dan. There's definitely a culture within rugby players to 'harden up' when it comes to mental illness.

[britchard]

In addition to the men's team, our U20's have also won their U20 6 nations title and will compete for the Grand Slam in Ireland next week. We've been in the past 4 U20 world championship finals (they happen every year) and we won 3/4 of those. Hopefully the current crop will win again when the 2017 world championship is held later in the year.

Watch the second try, pretty exceptional:

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/new...r-scotland

[lowbudgetballer]

I have a streaming box, watched rugby this morning on cable, and want to watch more. Is there a specific season?

'baller