[WestIndianArchie]

I'd meet a chick. Maybe we bang that first night, maybe after a date or two.

After the bang the chick would invariably become more open, more real.

Pussy cats turned into lionesses as now she felt more entitled to ask me to do things for her. And dragon ladies turned into kittens, now that they have someone to take the wheel.

I'd like to think some happy equilibrium would be in the future, yet that never seemed to be in the cards.

Anyone have similar experiences

WIA

[CleanSlate]

IME it's not so much after the initial bang, but after I start dating them exclusively... that's when they start acting different. And not in a good way.

[Swordfish]

Yes.

In particular, I have a soft spot for very strong high achievers. Alpha females. Its always cool to see how much milder and female they become afterwards.

(03-22-2015 10:43 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I'd meet a chick. Maybe we bang that first night, maybe after a date or two.

After the bang the chick would invariably become more open, more real.

Pussy cats turned into lionesses as now she felt more entitled to ask me to do things for her. And dragon ladies turned into kittens, now that they have someone to take the wheel.

I'd like to think some happy equilibrium would be in the future, yet that never seemed to be in the cards.

Anyone have similar experiences

WIA

[philosophical_recovery]

More often than not.

Sometimes, their behavior is just an exaggerated version of what you already experienced: e.g. her talkative behavior goes on overdrive and becomes overbearing.

Other times, it's like a switch is flipped and as you said, an aggressive and confrontational chick becomes less so.

In general I enjoy either the shy turning to my little nympho, or the bitchy becoming a docile toy. But, I've run into girls that have had psychological issues in the past (actual forceful rape or others), maybe some PTSD, and it's an equivalent to playing Russian roulette with their pussy as a chamber. The craziest was so unpredictable and obsessive that I seriously worried about bodily harm with a weapon, but I moved so far away that I could relax. (didn't move because of her, but it helped)

There's enough uncertainty that it'd say that there's a 25-50% chance of post bang surprise of some sort. The biggest for me, lately, is bizarre coldness. I've apparently seen too many damaged bitches. I miss the youthful latching on where they would do everything to keep me around in my youth, but either I'm doing something wrong or girls have just changed. I think it goes with the overall nuclear flakiness as of late.

[Ingocnito]

I can literally gauge that change in "time from last bang," whether it's an exclusive girl in LTR, or even a fling or STR... the fake-girl-attitude-wall, social media, and her "professional" facade melt away during and after the bang, then slowly starts to rebuild until the next fuck session.

In fact the girl I was banging last night, I can literally watch it slowly melt away with kino and foreplay, then each min longer in the sack she becomes more and more revealing of her decent womanly side.

The better they get fucked, the longer the effect remains. Penis power. It's a real phenomenon, use it wisely.

Finally, I used to think I could fuck the crazy out of a woman. Sure in the short term, but over the long haul, my experience has been it makes them even crazier, apparently from the chemical roller coaster you put their bodies through.

[Vincent Chase]

(03-22-2015 11:13 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

There's enough uncertainty that it'd say that there's a 25-50% chance of post bang surprise of some sort. The biggest for me, lately, is bizarre coldness. I've apparently seen too many damaged bitches. I miss the youthful latching on where they would do everything to keep me around in my youth, but either I'm doing something wrong or girls have just changed. I think it goes with the overall nuclear flakiness as of late.

I'm a bit surprised by the modern flakiness myself of girls even after banging them. You'd expect them to chase you up and do more to keep you around, in the classical view after non-commital sex men are in the position of power. I think in some cases the alphas give girls the impression they are disposable and they feel that maybe you found someone else or just aren't that interested, other times it's just another power play to see if you keep chasing with more sex as the carrot.

[philosophical_recovery]

It's the most disturbing when it comes out of the target market of 18-22yr olds. 10 years ago, this was not even close to a problem. If you bagged a girl in that age range, they stuck like glue.

(03-22-2015 01:12 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

I'm a bit surprised by the modern flakiness myself of girls even after banging them. You'd expect them to chase you up and do more to keep you around, in the classical view after non-commital sex men are in the position of power. I think in some cases the alphas give girls the impression they are disposable and they feel that maybe you found someone else or just aren't that interested, other times it's just another power play to see if you keep chasing with more sex as the carrot.

[Ingocnito]

(03-22-2015 01:12 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

(03-22-2015 11:13 AM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

There's enough uncertainty that it'd say that there's a 25-50% chance of post bang surprise of some sort. The biggest for me, lately, is bizarre coldness. I've apparently seen too many damaged bitches. I miss the youthful latching on where they would do everything to keep me around in my youth, but either I'm doing something wrong or girls have just changed. I think it goes with the overall nuclear flakiness as of late.

I'm a bit surprised by the modern flakiness myself of girls even after banging them. You'd expect them to chase you up and do more to keep you around, in the classical view after non-commital sex men are in the position of power. I think in some cases the alphas give girls the impression they are disposable and they feel that maybe you found someone else or just aren't that interested, other times it's just another power play to see if you keep chasing with more sex as the carrot.

Which goes to say, never trust what a woman says, rather what she does. How many of these girls are all cuddly or say they like to cuddle, only to get plowed then treat it afterwards like a run of the mill fuck buddy scene?

Hey, I'm not bitchin, no problem slamming a chick then GTFO. But even girlfriends of mine seem to have the "I got mine" attitude now. In fact just nailed my main (goin on 2.5 months now), and as she laid there trembling for the post-session cool down, I kissed her a few times and rubbed her a bit... but realized it was more natural to leave her the fuck alone at that point. I'm not a lovie dovie moron post coitus either, quit that shit years ago.

What's funny is she's had the attitude lately I initiate the come back for future meet-ups, maybe SHE's gotten too comfortable, not the other way around which is all too common a mistake men make. Dunno. The sex has gotten better, not worse or leveled off yet. I even alluded to why she's that way, and she replies:"Well I don't know, I just expect if you really want to spend time with me, you'll take the initiative, since you're the man, and I don't want to bother you because I know you're really busy, but I'm really happy with you, you know my schedule you can call me to come over any time." So not sure if it's a combo of insecurity on her part, or what really, just fuckin weird... I almost like it because it makes gettin with other chicks easier.

Maybe some of these broads are getting better at playing a man's logic, I don't know what to make of it. It's almost like they secretly despise you for bangin them real well, but hide it better. Consider it's so damn easy for a woman to replace a man since smart phones blew up, that they probably think. "Well if he stays I'm happy, but if not, oh well.. I'll get by, he ho hum. la dee da."

[philosophical_recovery]

That's eerily similar to my most recent experiences. The girl in particular would go on 1-2 hour bus rides to see me, but didn't seem to be warming up to me emotionally. She was very sexually inexperienced, but had some past issues. I called her out on her behavior, which just started to stress her out. I think, in retrospect, that was too harsh, and it scared her off. She still has feelings for me, as she will randomly text me out of the blue even though she's dating someone else. I just told her to cut that shit out.

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I even alluded to why she's that way, and she replies:"Well I don't know, I just expect if you really want to spend time with me, you'll take the initiative, since you're the man, and I don't want to bother you because I know you're really busy, but I'm really happy with you, you know my schedule you can call me to come over any time." So not sure if it's a combo of insecurity on her part, or what really, just fuckin weird... I almost like it because it makes gettin with other chicks easier.

Maybe some of these broads are getting better at playing a man's logic, I don't know what to make of it. It's almost like they secretly despise you for bangin them real well, but hide it better. Consider it's so damn easy for a woman to replace a man since smart phones blew up, that they probably think. "Well if he stays I'm happy, but if not, oh well.. I'll get by, he ho hum. la dee da."

[heavy]

Just reading the thread title: Umm...yeah, duh.

But then it is an interesting discussion...how a chic can be so flaky post-bang. Read...sluts.

But then they have everything they need, safety, money, and most of all, attention...from texts, Facebook, instagram, snapchat, fake social networks everywhere.

Or maybe most of all...if they need sex, they can go get it now at the local bar without societal shame.

[Ingocnito]

^^^ So true, the shame has been lifted society-wide for slutty or hypergamous behavior so long now, that it doesn't slightly phase them. If the herd acts that way, even if the herd becomes emotionless, they morph into not only that way of thinking, but that way of feeling emotionally as well I suspect.

I always remind myself per one of the only quality articles I've read in Men's Health almost a decade ago, which states that no matter how much you would prefer otherwise, a woman will never value you more than her dog, her friends, her family, her job, her house, her car.. or really any other valuable element to her life, so don't expect it.

I suppose their indifference post-bang is really just lessons of red-pill wisdom on display. Basically their definition of what it means to be a woman FOR the man, will not deter from what their OWN definition of womanhood is, no matter how boldly you lay it out there. You just can't change a person, not even a little bit I've learned.

There's only one way to alleviate it. Either move on getting tidbits from one woman you like, and different tidbits the previous one lacked in your next crusade. Or, date numerous women simultaneously to get the "women" experience you feel you deserve.

[Courage Reborn]

In my experience, women act more like angels after 1st sex. After exclusivity however, they turn into she-devil

[robreke]

(03-23-2015 03:32 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

^^^ So true, the shame has been lifted society-wide for slutty or hypergamous behavior so long now, that it doesn't slightly phase them. If the herd acts that way, even if the herd becomes emotionless, they morph into not only that way of thinking, but that way of feeling emotionally as well I suspect.

I always remind myself per one of the only quality articles I've read in Men's Health almost a decade ago, which states that no matter how much you would prefer otherwise, a woman will never value you more than her dog, her friends, her family, her job, her house, her car.. or really any other valuable element to her life, so don't expect it.

I suppose their indifference post-bang is really just lessons of red-pill wisdom on display. Basically their definition of what it means to be a woman FOR the man, will not deter from what their OWN definition of womanhood is, no matter how boldly you lay it out there. You just can't change a person, not even a little bit I've learned.

There's only one way to alleviate it. Either move on getting tidbits from one woman you like, and different tidbits the previous one lacked in your next crusade. Or, date numerous women simultaneously to get the "women" experience you feel you deserve.

I've actually had a first along these lines^ (girl acting flaky after first bang) and I'm trying to mentally grasp it.

Banged this beautiful girl on a first date about 10 days ago out of town. I met her online.

I'm not going to go into gory details, but she definitely enjoyed the sex as did I. I can tell not only from the things she did during but she told me afterward unsolicited. Of this I'm sure.

So, when I text her AFTER the bang, although she does respond very quickly....like within one or two minutes, she seems more short and less bubbly in her texts than she did Pre bang. eg. I'll ask her how her week's going and she just says: Good, I'm packing to go to my cousin's wedding this weekend." (doesn't ask me how I'm doing)

Then, when I make reference to I'm going to be in town next week and we should get together one evening, she goes radio silent. I'm like, what the fuck? It's like roles have been reversed. From a man doing the pumping and dumping to the woman doing it. You think it would be the complete opposite. That is, after the first bang....she should be way more pliable and easy (It is this way for some girls) Don't get me wrong, I'm glad I got the notch but I'm a little disappointed because she was very attractive and there's a lot more things sexually I'd like to do with her.

I'm thinking of trying to restart with a text next week before I go to her town. It's just the whole idea of banging a girl you like really good, giving her orgasm....and she DOESN'T want to go on a second date.....or gets flakey when you ask her to meet again. Damn.

You guys experience this much these days?

[wagmydog]

Personally, quite often with girls that I've banged on the 1st date. And the interaction follows what you described almost exactly. Then I've done an experiment of sorts where I'd take a new chick on the 1st date, chat over a round of drinks, game her as usual, with kino and escalation to the kiss. I'd do this for an hour or so and then tell her I gotta get going I'm meeting my friends but we should get together again sometime. The 2nd date invariably leads to the bang, and she turns into a sweet sex kitten who texts me afterwards asking me how my day is. Go figure. So I do the 1st date bangs with chicks I dont care if I see again and the latter with ones that I want for my FBs.

[robreke]

(04-30-2015 04:53 PM)wagmydog Wrote:  

Personally, quite often with girls that I've banged on the 1st date. And the interaction follows what you described almost exactly. Then I've done an experiment of sorts where I'd take a new chick on the 1st date, chat over a round of drinks, game her as usual, with kino and escalation to the kiss. I'd do this for an hour or so and then tell her I gotta get going I'm meeting my friends but we should get together again sometime. The 2nd date invariably leads to the bang, and she turns into a sweet sex kitten who texts me afterwards asking me how my day is. Go figure. So I do the 1st date bangs with chicks I dont care if I see again and the latter with ones that I want for my FBs.

^ This is interesting. It also goes against the grain of what we talk about here as in always go for the bang asap. It seems to me if you do this, that is wait to bang on the second date or beyond, you're running the risk of never seeing her AND not getting the bang.

If this is a true phenomenon ( girls feeling guilty/ not wanting a second date after a first date bang ) that other guys here can verify, then I'm thinking it has something to do with them "feeling like a slut' for banging on a first date and perhaps wanting to forget it or "play hard to get" on second dates and beyond so as to alleviate their "guilt" they may have for banging on the first date. Just a theory.

I had another girl I banged the night before this girl in question, who after I banged her on the first date , I texted the next day. When I texted, she was also short in her responses and not offering much. I just texted "when you figure out your schedule ...lemme know" in a DFAF fashion. That straightened her out and her texts warmed a bit. But on the date with her later that night when I got her to my room, she put up way more resistance saying "about last night...I just don't do that" (meaning the fact that she'd fucked me on our first date). I ended up getting the bang that night after running comfort on her and putting her at ease, but the fact remains, she was short in her texts post first-date bang and also offered LMR on the second date whereas there was none on the first.

So, I guess you could say I have a "sample size" of two girls ( on back to back nights incidentally ) Ha.

I'd like to hear other guys thoughts/experiences on this as well.

[OregonToSoCal]

(04-30-2015 05:23 PM)robreke Wrote:  

(04-30-2015 04:53 PM)wagmydog Wrote:  

Personally, quite often with girls that I've banged on the 1st date. And the interaction follows what you described almost exactly. Then I've done an experiment of sorts where I'd take a new chick on the 1st date, chat over a round of drinks, game her as usual, with kino and escalation to the kiss. I'd do this for an hour or so and then tell her I gotta get going I'm meeting my friends but we should get together again sometime. The 2nd date invariably leads to the bang, and she turns into a sweet sex kitten who texts me afterwards asking me how my day is. Go figure. So I do the 1st date bangs with chicks I dont care if I see again and the latter with ones that I want for my FBs.

^ This is interesting. It also goes against the grain of what we talk about here as in always go for the bang asap. It seems to me if you do this, that is wait to bang on the second date or beyond, you're running the risk of never seeing her AND not getting the bang.

If this is a true phenomenon ( girls feeling guilty/ not wanting a second date after a first date bang ) that other guys here can verify, then I'm thinking it has something to do with them "feeling like a slut' for banging on a first date and perhaps wanting to forget it or "play hard to get" on second dates and beyond so as to alleviate their "guilt" they may have for banging on the first date. Just a theory.

I had another girl I banged the night before this girl in question, who after I banged her on the first date , I texted the next day. When I texted, she was also short in her responses and not offering much. I just texted "when you figure out your schedule ...lemme know" in a DFAF fashion. That straightened her out and her texts warmed a bit. But on the date with her later that night when I got her to my room, she put up way more resistance saying "about last night...I just don't do that" (meaning the fact that she'd fucked me on our first date). I ended up getting the bang that night after running comfort on her and putting her at ease, but the fact remains, she was short in her texts post first-date bang and also offered LMR on the second date whereas there was none on the first.

So, I guess you could say I have a "sample size" of two girls ( on back to back nights incidentally ) Ha.

I'd like to hear other guys thoughts/experiences on this as well.

I can attest to this as well. The large majority of women who I banged on the first date AND who I was interested in seeing a second time became much more difficult and distant in their messaging post bang. I've experimented with both 1 and 2 date models and when it works the 2 date model seems to be better for me. However, like you mentioned earlier, in today's social media, smartphone fueled ADD culture, it's a crapshoot to turn a girl loose after a first date and not try for the bang while hoping to seal the deal on the second date.

I had a Tinder date last night with a single mom that went absolutely textbook except for the fact that her LMR was insane. She continued to tell me with steely resolve that her "rule" is she never has sex on the first date. After she got home last night she texted me asking if were busy tonight and if she could come over. We setup plans for today and lo and behold, the transmission on her car gave out this morning and it's unlikely we'll be able to meetup tonight. She texted me a selfie of herself at the shop and a photo of her car up on the hoist (unprompted) so it's not her flaking but it's a great illustration at how "life" seems to have a way of cockblocking us when we know the second date bang is in the bag.