[Feldeinsamkeit]

The question has been posed by several commentators recently on this site as to why there are so many more good-looking men in the Anglosphere than there are women, with possible explanations ranging from genetics to poor life choices, et.c. But I feel this question is largely irrelevant, since whatever brought us to this point of imbalance, we men in the Anglosphere now find ourselves caught up in a doom loop where women operate under a perverse incentive scheme in which the more they let themselves go and become fat, the higher the resulting quality of men is going to be and so they are guaranteed an attractive man one way or the other.

This is because as more and more previously slim and bangable females turn fat, the competition for the remaining slim women is increasing exponentially between men, at least in the UK where I am living. Furthermore, the effect of Smartphone technology with its hypergamy-enabling social media whoring platform is leveraging this competition to ever greater heights, so much so that to even have a shot at a slim plain Jane you must fulfil a laundry list of conditions, such as minimum 6 ft in height, good job, flash car, belong to her cliquish social circle, be ripped, et.c.

But only a fraction of guys are going to be able to meet these conditions and so there will always be enough guys left over, despite their efforts at physical self-improvement such as having a ripped physique, who out of desperation will settle for the fat girl since they've tried and failed to attract the slim plain Jane. So, even the women who never tried to be that slim plain Jane are profiting from this dynamic - it is men who are truly getting shafted.

This is why the solution, I believe, is for guys not having much luck here with gaming women to keep up their effects at self-improvement (gym, building up finances, studying and generally maintaining a positive frame of mind and body) and to still practice game with women in the UK, but more as a form of masochistic and austere bootcamp training session for greener pastures overseas. This is what I am doing, at any rate, before I relocate to Poland in the near future.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(04-14-2015 05:01 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

The question has been posed by several commentators recently on this site as to why there are so many more good-looking men in the Anglosphere than there are women, with possible explanations ranging from genetics to poor life choices, et.c. But I feel this question is largely irrelevant, since whatever brought us to this point of imbalance, we men in the Anglosphere now find ourselves caught up in a doom loop where women operate under a perverse incentive scheme in which the more they let themselves go and become fat, the higher the resulting quality of men is going to be and so they are guaranteed an attractive man one way or the other.

This is because as more and more previously slim and bangable females turn fat, the competition for the remaining slim women is increasing exponentially between men, at least in the UK where I am living. Furthermore, the effect of Smartphone technology with its hypergamy-enabling social media whoring platform is leveraging this competition to ever greater heights, so much so that to even have a shot at a slim plain Jane you must fulfil a laundry list of conditions, such as minimum 6 ft in height, good job, flash car, belong to her cliquish social circle, be ripped, et.c.

But only a fraction of guys are going to be able to meet these conditions and so there will always be enough guys left over, despite their efforts at physical self-improvement such as having a ripped physique, who out of desperation will settle for the fat girl since they've tried and failed to attract the slim plain Jane. So, even the women who never tried to be that slim plain Jane are profiting from this dynamic - it is men who are truly getting shafted.

This is why the solution, I believe, is for guys not having much luck here with gaming women to keep up their effects at self-improvement (gym, building up finances, studying and generally maintaining a positive frame of mind and body) and to still practice game with women in the UK, but more as a form of masochistic and austere bootcamp training session for greener pastures overseas. This is what I am doing, at any rate, before I relocate to Poland in the near future.

I'd be interested to hear what others think on this topic.

[Akula]

It definitely is perverse in the UK especially with the fatties and zero consequences for women in general (until they hit 35+, even then they often get bailed-out by thirsty but well-intentioned beta dudes).

Most Anglo women are poor relationship choices - let alone marriage candidates. They are so pumped up on "you go girl - you can have it all!" media bullsh*t that they don't know any better. This particularly true in the big cities like London where most girls in their 20s and even early 30s aren't even thinking about a "relationship" per se but rather and just playing the field.

So you need to have a pump 'n dump mentality and lower your standards a bit to get 'er done.

Also in London I'd say you really need to game the foreign broads more than the locals as they are generally thinner, more feminine and attractive and are away from home hence looking for a guy more than your average British cow. Day game is king forget night game unless you have access to the private club scene.

[Guitarman]

Sadly, this is all true about the UK!

[MarcusAbbertini]

I'm a positive person sometimes bordering on delusion but I strongly agree with everything you've said. I only tend to walk around my local city after I've been to the barbers and in the 4 or 5 times I've been this year I've not seen anything above a 7. The 6's and 7's have been receptive to speaking to me but it's still disappointing. Looks like I'll be sticking the more affluent surrounding villages this summer.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(04-14-2015 06:58 AM)MarcusAbbertini Wrote:  

I'm a positive person sometimes bordering on delusion but I strongly agree with everything you've said. I only tend to walk around my local city after I've been to the barbers and in the 4 or 5 times I've been this year I've not seen anything above a 7. The 6's and 7's have been receptive to speaking to me but it's still disappointing. Looks like I'll be sticking the more affluent surrounding villages this summer.

Yes, I can relate to the bit about "bordering on delusional" since I've been grinding it out here in the UK with this very same stubborn mindset for longer than I should have known better, putting myself out into all sorts of social situations approaching women, running day game, et.c. looking for half-decent looking women to bang without overly obnoxious personalities, but, alas, I've accepted that this is now a busted flush and will shortly be trying my luck in Poland. It's just not worth the ROI anymore and the sexual market place here just seems to become more of a stacked game against men with every passing day, even for those guys practicing game. For me it's a now case of lose the battle, but win the war.

[RedPillUK]

Is it that bad though or are you just making excuses? I go down this line of thought sometimes but then I realise in the daytime there are lots of pretty girls walking around that I need to be talking to. More so than at night or online, so maybe I just need to start approaching more often in the daytime.

[Captain Gh]

Unfortunately same here in Toronto! Each season gets harder & harder it seems. Until we respectively move, we gotta keep on grinding! Only thing is that it's extremely hard to get motivated

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(04-14-2015 07:40 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  

Unfortunately same here in Toronto! Each season gets harder & harder it seems. Until we respectively move, we gotta keep on grinding! Only thing is that it's extremely hard to get motivated

Toronto, I've heard, makes the US sound like a playground for gaming women, so it sounds like you've also got your work cut out.

The one positive you can take out of it, though, is that gaming in the Anglosphere is getting such a grind that it can only get better once you move to a country with a sexual market place that isn't so out of whack and that airtight game that you've developed will put you in a much better position to bang the local girls viz-a-viz the local competition once you hit the ground in Colombia, Poland, Ukraine or wherever you venture to, hence my use of the word "bootcamp" to describe the experience you get gaming women in the UK.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

While what you said is true and a relocation to Poland instantly sets you in more sane dating worlds, the truth is that out of all the men you mentioned the fewest know and apply Game expertly.

That is your main DHV and you can still catch girls off-guard by it. So the competition in that respect is not as severe as it may sound. Still - greener pastures exist nonetheless, but you cannot really escape the brutal dating world and generally it's good to test your skills in harder waters as they make you stronger faster.

[Midlands Man]

All women are like crocodiles, the more chickens you give them the more they want - unfortunately your UK women is like King Croc as she has been spoilt massively over the last 20 years.

Your UK woman has had everything....weekends in Paris, 2 weeks in Florida, trip to Thailand, you name it she's been there, most likely paid for by her man or daddy.

Buy her a mini cooper -no good she wants a Cooper S, still no good she wants a Porsche...you get the picture.

Her behaviour is perfectly rational, as she is being spoilt from every angle and has no incentive to get in shape or treat her man nice - if the situation was reversed for men I would behave the same.

Trying to find an attractive single 7, that is actually suitable for a long term relationship is very difficult in my opinion - hence why pump and dump is the way to go with them.

If you are looking for long term relationship material, then my advice is to look to Eastern Europe.

I am 44 and live with a 30 year old Bulgarian woman. She is definitely no model, but she's attractive, slim and feminine - would I swap her for an English woman? Not a chance, as that's when your relationship problems will really start.

[Saweeep]

I have a different explanation for the gym and fashion culture that is prevalent amongst UK guys these days; economics...lack of meaningful employment for all these man boys (even the ones who get pumped up in the gym and act like they're tough still live with their mum who washes their clothes).

They can't buy houses or nice cars and don't have good jobs with strong career prospects. Literally the only thing they do is preen themselves and spend Fridays and Saturdays playing Weekend Millionaire at a bar.

Now there's nothing wrong with this as part of a balanced lifestyle but I think it's equally as unhealthy as the horrendous state of female attitudes.

To be honest though, I never struggle to find very attractive women here.

[Travesty]

I was just thinking about this. Over a decade in SoCal I have noticed a steady trend of more diverse frumpy girls and a large number of very in shape, tanned, well dressed guys. Even in the last 2 years I notice a small, yet significant turn for the worse.

It is sad because SoCal is not London, Miami, or NY.

Most of our immigrants except for a small sect in West LA are females that do not have style and are not in great shape ( the tidal wave of short fat Mexicans and unattractive FOB Asian international students ).

Don't like it one bit.

Girls that are slim 7s often have 7.5-8.5 boyfriends.... not good. Not good at all.

[Kieran]

(04-15-2015 04:58 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

I have a different explanation for the gym and fashion culture that is prevalent amongst UK guys these days; economics...lack of meaningful employment for all these man boys (even the ones who get pumped up in the gym and act like they're tough still live with their mum who washes their clothes).

They can't buy houses or nice cars and don't have good jobs with strong career prospects. Literally the only thing they do is preen themselves and spend Fridays and Saturdays playing Weekend Millionaire at a bar.

Now there's nothing wrong with this as part of a balanced lifestyle but I think it's equally as unhealthy as the horrendous state of female attitudes.

To be honest though, I never struggle to find very attractive women here.

Agreed. Sometimes reading these UK posts I can't believe we're talking about the same place, as I really don't see any shortage of young attractive girls with reasonably pleasant attitudes.

I also know of plenty of young men who are anything but ripped, not super handsome, don't have great game, and are still having a field day with the women here.

A good theory on the rise in gym / excessive grooming culture among young working class men too. With so little control it's probably one of the few outlets they have.

[Akula]

(04-15-2015 05:08 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

I was just thinking about this. Over a decade in SoCal I have noticed a steady trend of more diverse frumpy girls and a large number of very in shape, tanned, well dressed guys. Even in the last 2 years I notice a small, yet significant turn for the worse.

It is sad because SoCal is not London, Miami, or NY.

Most of our immigrants except for a small sect in West LA are females that do not have style and are not in great shape ( the tidal wave of short fat Mexicans and unattractive FOB Asian international students ).

Don't like it one bit.

Girls that are slim 7s often have 7.5-8.5 boyfriends.... not good. Not good at all.

If Travesty is saying this then we know it's getting worse in Cali and I'd say in the Anglosphere in general. I'm in London and it's not good for the most part despite the foreign contingent. I'd love to say there are enough 7+s for true gamers here but it's just not true - at some point the overwhelming numbers start adding up and even your average 5 thinks she's a "Catch" or special (not that she even wants to date anyway) and the legions of guys only serve to add to their delusions. Sure the best day gamers can do fine but the top 10% will always do well anyway.

In the US and from what I've seen in the UK girls are more and more frumpy, masculine and combative and don't want or even think they ever need a man. Many are downright mean and nasty. It's a toxic situation. What man would want to date an aggressive woman who doesn't really like him let alone men in general? Yeah sure we'll f*ck them but I personally have zero tolerance for the average prissy, snarky, angry female and would not spend too much time on any of them.

Men need to adjust and realize that 1) Anglosphere women aren't really datable for the most part 2) to get more quality bangs you need to think about multiple options, including moving abroad 3) ergo, the girls you see in most of these places are just for pump & dump type situations and 4) if you do indeed ever want to have kids with a traditional, family-oriented woman who is actually looking for a man (and who won't divorce rape you) then you need to think about gaming or moving abroad full-time. That's just the way it is. Most anglosphere women are literally toxic now.

You can be an expert fisherman but if the pond is fully depleted it doesn't matter you won't catch any fish (or anything worth catching). Why bother using all your best fishing skills and spots if you realize that you're going to spend hours battling just to land a small carp at best?.

Edit: In my opinion, guys who are saying its' not that bad probably have not lived and gamed extensively abroad, or have extensive social circle connections or looks they lean on to a certain extent, or are in the upper echelon of game which makes it easier for them to pull. If you are saying that England in general has loads of fit, feminine birds who are there for the taking then I say no f*cking way. Maybe it's not DC or Toronto but it's still not good.

[Kieran]

I've lived in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan, and agree that foreign countries are great, and that the UK has declined with regards to dating options. But there are still plenty of pockets of well raised, slim, attractive young women to be had. Where I live for example, I literally can't go out to the high-street to grab some groceries without seeing half a dozen. Any red-brick university campus is also full of them.

[Akula]

(04-15-2015 06:33 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I've lived in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan, and agree that foreign countries are great, and that the UK has declined with regards to dating options. But there are still plenty of pockets of well raised, slim, attractive young women to be had. Where I live for example, I literally can't go out to the high-street to grab some groceries without seeing half a dozen. Any red-brick university campus is also full of them.

Fair enough but 1) is this in the big city areas? and 2) what do these women generally look like a few years after university?

[Dusty]

Men are doing more and more to raise their SMV to get scraps, women are becoming lazier and fatter.

Here's the future of the dating dystopia in the anglosphere:



Go to SEA.

[N°6]

The more and more I think of it, I notice similarities between the UK dating and housing markets. The Anglosphere in general features highly financialised and costly property.

There is a chronic under-supply of housing which makes up some of the poorest quality housing stock in Western Europe and some of the most expensive per meter squared in the world. There are huge vested interests to ensure that the quantity and quality of new housing is never increased. At the other scale, some of the finest homes in the world are in the UK but they are like the finest British women - jealously guarded by the class system. In fact someone who already owns property is more likely to be able to buy multiple homes than a young man looking for his 'one and only'. Kieran mentioned that they are at red brick universities. That's says it all. A man needs to have a superior Social Market Value (SoMV) as well as a higher SMV to attract these women during their party years.

All government and commercial bank initiatives to avoid market failure within the property market have only succeeded to stimulate demand further (Help to Buy, Shared-Ownership (cuckoldry) Right to Buy). Nothing has been done to stimulate the supply side of the market equation. The supply side in the dating market is summed up by the words of a grumpy frump, "What you see is what you get, take it or leave it." These words might as well be the sales pitch of an estate agent as people queue up to view an expensive but damp-ridden property in 'a good area'.

This is just like a man learning Game, designing his lifestyle, learning how to cook, living in the gym, studying fashion and buying good clothes only to find that he is struggling to find the spare SMV credit to attract a 5. The value of the 'girl next door', the safe bet which combined his attraction and her loyalty in a marriage has been inflated given that women that would have been in the class have been decimated by obesity or the Barbie-Instawhore cults.

A man learning game and investing in himself to stimulate his dating market buying power reminds me of the man who spends years saving for a deposit for a house which cost the value of the deposit 20 years ago and which had 20 years worth less of defects.

During Tony Blair's reign, housing prices increased 168%. How much did women's SMV correspondingly increase during the Blair era? Where are the hardest places for men in the game as reported by men on this forum? Toronto, Eastern Australia, UK, major US cities. Aren't all these places known for huge increases in property prices?

Many people have concluded that buying property abroad is the way to go so again, this mirrors the dating conclusions of many members here.

[britchard]

CrashBangWallop, I completely agree. Although quite rarely, I still often see guys punching way above their weight in the sexual marketplace.

The preening I see on television (and sometimes in real life) of young men, some of it is pushing the limit to what I'd call gay.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-16-2015 12:14 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

During Tony Blair's reign, housing prices increased 168%. How much did women's SMV correspondingly increase during the Blair era? Where are the hardest places for men in the game as reported by men on this forum? Toronto, Eastern Australia, UK, major US cities. Aren't all these places known for huge increases in property prices?

Many people have concluded that buying property abroad is the way to go so again, this mirrors the dating conclusions of many members here.

Property and Dating Markets are markets alright - both have supply and demand and react accordingly. A country like Singapore for example attracts even more female immigrants and while property prices are traditionally high for known reasons the price of hot pussy is relatively low.

In the UK you had mostly demand from millions of immigrants in recent years - most of them men. All of this is coupled with investments and tax havens of the super-rich who buy up several properties as a form of investment, while the rest are relegated to expensive rental situations mostly.

Now the dating market in the West is shitty because of two forces:

+ influx of a surplus of male immigrants in the 20-40 age group
+ decrease of attractiveness of current pussy-stock through the fattening :



Woah - the figures took me even by surprise. You guys are fucked there - heh!

Almost 60% of 25-34 yo are overweight or obese!

It was some 4 years I ran some Game in London - unsuccessfully. But when I took a drive around the countryside things got better with some pretty slim young lasses scattered here and there.

Seems like the fattening is much more of a market force than immigration - that probably decreases the female dating pool by 10-20% while the fattening squeezes the fat rolls to 40%.

That - said there are men out there with massive Game, wealth, looks or a combination of all who probably swim in pussy while large parts die of thirst or settle for an obese monster.

[Saweeep]

(04-16-2015 01:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

decrease of attractiveness of current pussy-stock through the fattening :

Brilliant phrase...I'm going to steal that one!

[Kieran]

(04-15-2015 06:41 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:33 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I've lived in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan, and agree that foreign countries are great, and that the UK has declined with regards to dating options. But there are still plenty of pockets of well raised, slim, attractive young women to be had. Where I live for example, I literally can't go out to the high-street to grab some groceries without seeing half a dozen. Any red-brick university campus is also full of them.

Fair enough but 1) is this in the big city areas? and 2) what do these women generally look like a few years after university?

I live in a suburb close to the city centre in Birmingham, but I'm in London probably 50 days per year or so, and actually prefer it over Birmingham - haven't gamed there too much though.

It's a fair comment on what they look like a few years after university. Not at all unusual to put your hand on a mid-twenties girl's waist or hip and feel a roll spilling over their skirt / jeans, even though you thought she was slim prior to that. Around here there's literally coffee shops, ice cream parlours, gastro-pubs, restaurants, fish and chip shops, and cake shops everywhere, and with the exception of the fish and chip shops, they're all full of women stuffing their faces any time of day, so it's not surprising that they get fat when you add in the snacking they do at the office and the wine they drink in the evenings. That said, I still see plenty of thirty somethings that have kept themselves in shape.

[Kieran]

(04-16-2015 12:14 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

Kieran mentioned that they are at red brick universities. That's says it all. A man needs to have a superior Social Market Value (SoMV) as well as a higher SMV to attract these women during their party years.

Honestly, if I can have a reasonable amount of success with these women then anybody can. If anything, the competition is weaker among the middle classes.

I do agree that there are problems here, but it's not nearly as bad as people are making out. Like for example somebody mentioned that British Indian women have massive bitch shields on another thread. I have to wonder what their sample size was because in my experience British Indian women have far less bitch shields than white women, and I'm nothing special.

[MarcusAbbertini]

(04-16-2015 04:22 AM)Kieran Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:41 PM)Akula Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 06:33 PM)Kieran Wrote:  

I've lived in Thailand, South Korea, and Japan, and agree that foreign countries are great, and that the UK has declined with regards to dating options. But there are still plenty of pockets of well raised, slim, attractive young women to be had. Where I live for example, I literally can't go out to the high-street to grab some groceries without seeing half a dozen. Any red-brick university campus is also full of them.

Fair enough but 1) is this in the big city areas? and 2) what do these women generally look like a few years after university?

I live in a suburb close to the city centre in Birmingham, but I'm in London probably 50 days per year or so, and actually prefer it over Birmingham - haven't gamed there too much though.

It's a fair comment on what they look like a few years after university. Not at all unusual to put your hand on a mid-twenties girl's waist or hip and feel a roll spilling over their skirt / jeans, even though you thought she was slim prior to that. Around here there's literally coffee shops, ice cream parlours, gastro-pubs, restaurants, fish and chip shops, and cake shops everywhere, and with the exception of the fish and chip shops, they're all full of women stuffing their faces any time of day, so it's not surprising that they get fat when you add in the snacking they do at the office and the wine they drink in the evenings. That said, I still see plenty of thirty somethings that have kept themselves in shape.

You've probably heard of Coventry then. You can now see where I'm coming from with my post.