[OkStudies]

I can see a few trends on the horizon, especially in the west, and it could pose major issues for game and men in general:

1. A large increase of game-aware men (and by extension, women) - There's going to come a "critical mass" of red pill/game knowledge as more and more men come to know the major sources the main sources of game knowledge/news. You're going to see a lot more well-dressed, well spoken, competitive guys.The Red Pill Reddit has reached over 100,000 within the last year and it's rapidly increasing.

One personal example, living in the SF Bay Area, I have been going to the same bar for 4 years and there has been a marked increase in well groomed, interesting, aggressive dudes chatting up girls. They seem better able to handle (AMOG) other guys coming into their groups. I don't remember it like this 2-3 years ago at all.

2. The rise of gold digging - What was before seen as mostly limited to a "certain segment" of the female population is now becoming more and more prevalent. The proliferation of "sugar daddy" and other similar sites, some with millions of members. Even instagram. More seemingly "normal" girls are doing this than we would like to admit.

Bars and clubs will be more and more about displaying wealth and putting on a show in order to compete. It's no longer display how cool, interesting, well traveled, etc. It's who has the Ferrari, the nice watch, tailored Armani suits etc.

To make matters worse, it raises female expectations (for the general male population) if she is a at a certain attractiveness level. Like one poster here once remarked "You're not going to AMOG a guy with $100 million". That's the problem. It's a problem when a 6 wants a guy with $100 million and ALSO thinks she can get him.

3. More and more anti-male social campaigns/ideas - This represents an (blatantly obvious) attempt by certain groups and feminist movements to restrict male power. Numerous campaigns have been started against catcalling (a mostly harmless type of pickup strategy/game), fat acceptance (i.e. accepting low standards), anti-porn laws ( such as LA condom law), anti-frat campaigns and the list goes on. What's perhaps more amazing is all this happened within the last 2 years.

For now, men still have the power to discriminate/judge women worthy of their attention, dick, etc but how long until this is shamed into oblivion and you can no longer openly discriminate based upon tastes and preferences?

Given these developments, how might game/the manosphere (maybe innovatively) respond to these challenges?

[Mister X]

I think it's a glass half full/half empty type of thing.

You see more guys becoming game aware as a bad thing. I see it as a good thing. Hopefully that means, women as a whole will too, have to step it up. As orbiters around the world wake up and put a stop to the inflation they're adding to. Suddenly a girl isn't going to have 100 likes on a Facebook picture and 75 comments from men pathetically offering compliments in exchange for getting their dick wet.

Also, the number of alphas will never change. What you will get is more dudes faking alpha, but they will still lose to an official alpha. I don't feel threatened by guys learning game. Guys that don't have real alpha traits and are only surface level alphas will run into problems. The first shit test thrown their way that they don't know how to handle, what are they gonna say? "Ah, shit. This wasn't covered in Bang. Can you hold on a second? Want to get on reddit for a second and ask a question."

They'll get exposed at some point or another.

Gold digging is another thing I'm not concerned about. I don't go for them, period. Don't care how hot they are. I don't exchange money and lifestyle for poon. I want a girl who fucks me for me not for what I can pay for. If I get "amog'd" by a guy because he has 100 mill, and he gets "the 6" over me, who really wins? The guy who continues to game on, or the guy who now has to tap into his 100 mills to impress a girl who is not all that attractive to him?

The only thing that really concerns me is this world becoming increasingly feminized. It is absolutely unbelievable how minimized our voices have become. But I don't blame women for that. I blame us. Not enough men speak up, they don't say what's on their mind, they don't express displeasure with feminist hypocrisies. They play the "cool" guy because the cool guy is the one who gets laid. Instead of sacrificing notch count in favor of changing the dating culture and society as a whole, they keep their mouths shut and continue to let women gain the upper hand because at least if they cave in, there's vagina waiting for them on the other side. Shame on us for that. People are only going to do what you allow them to do.

[Sonoma]

That's just me wrecking your bar.

I agree with every point, kind of.

#1- For every game aware man created daily there is out there, there's another who just got locked down or gave up. Also, there's 2 more girls who just turned 18 and are DTF.

I would say there's a lot of girls who are now more accessible than ever before, and a lot of guys really don't play their hand like they should/could.

I remember talking to my mom and she mentioned being in a car with another male when she had a boyfriend and felt uncomfortable/guilty. In her generation, there was a lot fewer girls that were out prowling for dick as blatantly as they do now

[AntiTrace]

in a game of war between two equal players, frame will win the day.

focus on inner game and your frame, and you will blow away all but the most competent competition

[Agreddor]

You cant do bar/night game forever, it takes a toll on you eventually.

You compare yourself to yourself, not others.

[CactusCat589]

Peak anything involving humans choosing what's hard over what's easy isn't worth considering. It's not going to happen, that simple. Game isn't a switch you flip on. It's a conscious choice and commitment. You relapse, you fight back and keep pushing yourself. It's not easy, which is why a critical mass in game-aware and game-practicing men anywhere in the world won't happen.

[SlickyBoy]

I'm not seeing how the condom effort I'm porn affects anything. Who gives a shit if career dickbeaters don't like what's happened to their mainstay? Besides (assuming it ever happens, which i dont think it will) condom laws for porn make a lot more sense in terms of worker safety than banning cigarettes in bars ever did.

[-g-]

#Clapping... well said

Long live the game.

[-g-]

#Clapping... well said @antitrace

Long live the game.

[Ingocnito]

(04-12-2015 07:34 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

in a game of war between two equal players, frame will win the day.

focus on inner game and your frame, and you will blow away all but the most competent competition

I totally agree with this statement. Sure fame definitely will give you a distinguishable edge.

But with good frame you come across so comfortable in your own skin despite the circumstances, that even if you get beat out tryin to land a girl (AMOGed or whatever you want to call it), then you go away with a slight lesson learned, but no reason to have tail between your legs. Over analyzing is a curse in itself.

By far my best attribute is my attitude and chill demeanor, as I was reminded by my Puerto Rican plate last night:"I have great time with you because we just hang out, there's no pressure, no jealousy, when I'm not around you at the bar and we get separated, when I find you you're hitting on other girls, and they usually dig you, and that's really attractive in itself.. plus if she's hot and down we can have a 3-some so..."

[OkStudies]

SlickyBoy your missing the point (while choosing the most insignificant part of the article to argue with) . Why waste space talking about the condom law that doesnt address the three major points brought up? The point is it goes against male desires and thats the issue. A "Dick beating" post that doesnt address the real issues is a pointless waste of your own time.

[Hellraiser]

Though I live in Europe and my frame of reference might perhaps be different, I think the OP exaggerates the importance of points 1 (increase in game-aware guys) and 2 (rise in gold-digging). Of course, similar trends may indeed be emerging, but:

as far as trend #1 is concerned, the example given (bars with well-dressed and well-spoken guys) clearly alludes to the importance of playing in markets where there will be virtually no competition in the foreseeable future; this essentially means daygame.

With regard to #2 (gold-digging), again, why even get into the frame of implicit competition over resources in the first place? I think Mister X put it quite well. After all, a very beautiful girl snatched by a multi-millionaire will still get laid with the pool boy (metaphorically speaking). This means that men with no access to resources must find ways to become some sort of "pool boy" -lover.

I agree with trend #3.

[Dalaran1991]

(04-13-2015 02:26 AM)Hellraiser Wrote:  

Though I live in Europe and my frame of reference might perhaps be different, I think the OP exaggerates the importance of points 1 (increase in game-aware guys) and 2 (rise in gold-digging). Of course, similar trends may indeed be emerging, but:

as far as trend #1 is concerned, the example given (bars with well-dressed and well-spoken guys) clearly alludes to the importance of playing in markets where there will be virtually no competition in the foreseeable future; this essentially means daygame.

With regard to #2 (gold-digging), again, why even get into the frame of implicit competition over resources in the first place? I think Mister X put it quite well. After all, a very beautiful girl snatched by a multi-millionaire will still get laid with the pool boy (metaphorically speaking). This means that men with no access to resources must find ways to become some sort of "pool boy" -lover.

I agree with trend #3.

Im in Europe too and though I wouldnt say all men are game-aware, more and more guys are going to gym and dressing better. This might not necessarily has to do with game and women in general but just the narcissism thats increasingly rising in western culture.

Regarding point 2, its actually a lot omnipresence than you think. I dont do night game, only day game and social circle game and gold digging attitude even among female students is fucking off the chart. Was hanging out in group talking to a cute feminine blonde with long hair, solid 7. Then she started boasting about how a guy she doesnt know took her to a 150 euro dinner once to make acquaintance. She just went for the food, was on her phone the whole time, and never see the guy again.

Was talking to another girl, bitch going to Dubai (heh), told me she is quite rich. Then somehow we changed subject when I said we need to check out some fancy Korean restaurants near our Univ and bitch was like "you inviting me?" (means Im paying for her) right away.

I think feminism and the fucking stupid entitlement attitude that make girls think men need to get in line to buy them stuff is getting contagious among the female population. These bitches start small with mundane things like ex above, in no time it will be common for all girls to have sugar daddies.

Point 3 and 2 are linked IMO, its what devalues man and gives women entitlement.

EDIT: fuck this being a Western world problem. Gio would go screaming on me We have it worse in Asia. I remember being in highschool in Vietnam and one of the main grumbles we heard from the senior kids was that they had to take the girl AND her friends on a date, paying for their food while they gossip and blab about stupid nonsense, only to get a kiss on the cheek at the end.

I hang out from time to time with my Viet friends here in Paris and once this chick got her man to pay for her entire birthday party with 30 people. Oh, he also bought her a house. They aint even married yet

[Geekzor]

Agree with the Gold digging point as well, it is not just in western countries, but it has actually been ballooning in the middle east as well. I'm not talking about Dubai or those filthy rich countries where a son of a prince takes a girl on a date with 3 different cars on one day. I'm talking about countries like Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon ect..

Was chatting up with a Half Egyptian half Lebanese girl and we got together with her friends who are mostly from Egypt as she is studying there at the moment. The topic of relationships and marriage popped up and all and I mean ALL the girls in group (There were 5 girls) agreed that they really don't give a fuck about a guys attitude or looks (giving he ain't a whale ofcourse) As long as he can provide financially and ofcourse pamper their solid 5-6 asses. Not to mention the huge rise of white knights in the middle east makes girls who are by far a 3-4 think that they are the next big thing and they are actually doing the guys a favor by hanging out with them. This is due ofcourse the religious/cultural aspects of middle eastern countries which driven guys to think that the only way to get to a girlfriend or fondle a chick is by buying her stuff and treating her more than she is really worth.

[OkStudies]

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Gold digging is another thing I'm not concerned about. I don't go for them, period. Don't care how hot they are. I don't exchange money and lifestyle for poon. I want a girl who fucks me for me not for what I can pay for. If I get "amog'd" by a guy because he has 100 mill, and he gets "the 6" over me, who really wins? The guy who continues to game on, or the guy who now has to tap into his 100 mills to impress a girl who is not all that attractive to him?

He's winning if that same 6 decides it's a better deal to simply join his harem than to waste time fucking around with relatively broke dudes. Along with the other 6's, 7's and up he already has. In this situation it costed you a far more limited resource (time) than it did his money.

Whether you go for them, even who you *think* they are is irrelevant. You can't just look at a girl and decide "Fuck no she's a golddigger". Girls are smarter and more subtle than that. Most girls, if given the opportunity, will be gold-diggers and they'll do it discreetly.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-12-2015 03:10 PM)OkStudies Wrote:  

I can see a few trends on the horizon, especially in the west, and it could pose major issues for game and men in general:

1. A large increase of game-aware men (and by extension, women) - The Red Pill Reddit has reached over 100,000 within the last year and it's rapidly increasing.

One personal example, living in the SF Bay Area, I have been going to the same bar for 4 years and there has been a marked increase in well groomed, interesting, aggressive dudes chatting up girls. They seem better able to handle (AMOG) other guys coming into their groups. I don't remember it like this 2-3 years ago at all.

2. The rise of gold digging -

3. More and more anti-male social campaigns/ideas -


Given these developments, how might game/the manosphere (maybe innovatively) respond to these challenges?

1) Red Pill is one thing Game aware men another - most Red Pill guys become incels, Game deniers, MRAs, or Game denying MGTOWs - so essentially your competition are the Game applying men out there.

SF area has become even worse gender-wise and that is what you observe.

The fewest guys will start learning Game on all areas - most will stay dilettantes, but agreed even basic aggressive Game will make things tougher, BUT THE MAIN REASON WHY is not men being taught Game, but the gender ratios being more and more catastrophic for men as the fatties increase and hot women are getting scarce. I don't see anything like that living in EE. Also some cities in the US like NYC or Las Vegas don't have any of that crap either.

2) Gold and silver digging will be on the rise, but you are missing something. Having any decent job or income is becoming more valuable as the economic situation worsens. It will continue to deteriorate and despite what you are thinking - for any guy with a Ferrari and 10 mio. $ in the bank there are 100 hotties who want to suck on his sugar cone. Soon you might get an enthusiastic response saying you make 6 digits net.

3) Social media campaigns - indeed, but that is no problem to us since women still want to get fucked by masculine men and will continue to want that. In fact that point helps Game a bit, because the new generation is even more indoctrinated in feminist shit - if they believe that, then they are off to Beta hell for decades.

Most of what you are observing is the result of shitty gender ratios (immigration mostly creating imbalance) and fat asses becoming undateable (another important point when 20-40% below 30 are turning obese now).

[Kieran]

Here I definitely see more men working out, and making an effort with their clothes and grooming (to the extent that many even look like they're trying too hard), but most are still weak framed and too thirsty when it comes to women. Genuine cocksure players are still few and far between.

[Saladin]

I think Peak Game has passed in Toronto.

Far less PUAs out and about then a couple of years ago.

Or they've gotten better and are less obvious about it.

Whatever it may be, I don't see a ton of dudes spam approaching like before. Which obviously means women are more open to being approached.

[Dalaran1991]

At any rate I don't think we need to worry. The world might gone to shit, but if this forum ever taught me anything, it's that game = adaptation.

A good player isn't just someone who spit game mechanically. He has a good foundation and adapt his abilities to the environment. He is water, as said Bruce Lee.

Long road to get there, I think it takes like 10000 hours of practice to get good at something. But once we get there we shouldn't be worry about how the world trying to screw us over. We become the world.

EDIT: why was OP banned? Just curious. Bitter game denialism?