[Stk4names]

Does dating become easier for men after 30 and harder for women? Ie. men after 30 have stable job, more money, maturity whilst women past 30 are aging and baby clock is ticking. Personal experiences welcome.

[Saweeep]

Of course.

For more info, read the forum.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Of course they do:



http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/fi...g-the-smp/

Read our bible Rational Male or the blog.

[RexImperator]

It's going to depend on your mindset and awareness as to whether or not you can take advantage of it. At my 10 year high school reunion (age 28) I remember one of the hottest girls in my class, who worked in NYC, coming up to me and saying, "I have a lot of single friends who would love to date you."

Translation: "my carousel-riding friends are looking for a 'nice guy' to lock down."

At the time I didn't really understand it.

If not for a series of events which completely derailed my life shortly thereafter, I probably would have just ended up as a typical "beta chump" husband.

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-04-2015 10:59 AM)Stk4names Wrote:  

Does dating become easier for men after 30 and harder for women? Ie. men after 30 have stable job, more money, maturity whilst women past 30 are aging and baby clock is ticking. Personal experiences welcome.

The short answer is yes. You become "marriage" material at a certain point. Chicks that have been getting banged out by bad boys want to settle down as their hormones subside.

So if a man does the minimal amount to get girls in his life, he'll date more as he ages, as compared to where he started.

In my view, this average guy has the privilege of buying regular merchandise at regular price.

With game, this average guy could
- buy the new shit - (ie. younger/hotter girls)
- buy good shit at a discount (more attractive chicks than he's used to)

WIA

[Cheetah]

Problem could be that some younger girls are socially programmed not to date anyone a certain amount of years older than her.

[Sonsowey]

Really it starts before that.

I mean, however well you did at 18 or 22, at 25 you will be doing better if you keep on improving yourself.

[CleanSlate]

(04-04-2015 12:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

The short answer is yes. You become "marriage" material at a certain point. Chicks that have been getting banged out by bad boys want to settle down as their hormones subside.

True, but the problem is that some (many) of these girls try to make the marriage-material guys wait a few dates. Not so conducive for a guy like me aiming for SNL notches.

Timely excerpt from today's post on Roosh's blog:

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If you are a nice guy who refuses to learn game or put on the clown mask, I have some great news for you: once a girl is done fucking a dozen or two bad boys in her prime, once her vagina is properly stretched out and primed to secrete maximum lubrication to only bad boy cock, and once the container of her eggs becomes nearly empty, she will gladly accept you into her life for biological reproduction, not because you were her first choice, but because those bad boys could not see her as anything more than a wet gash. Your best option is to be Plan Z after twenty five other men. During your happy marriage she’ll often be “tired” to have sex with you when not a few years prior she eagerly begged men who saw her as disposable to gape her anus.

Sometimes I feel like I give off a marriage-material vibe that makes it harder than necessary for me to open their legs.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-06-2015 03:04 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

Sometimes I feel like I give off a marriage-material vibe that makes it harder than necessary for me to open their legs.

They even have on mainstream now - in the new episode of Mad Men - Peggy gets on a date and then is already drunk and at her office ready to fuck her date right then and there.

But then she thinks that she likes the guy too much and sees him as "something more", thus she lets him wait for the next date in 2 weeks, because both are busy with their careers.

In the scene she essentially tells him that she was fucking other dudes early, but this special snowflake man - she bestows upon him the pleasure of waiting for it.

Beta and Future Husband waits, but Alpha Fucks - they also had a scene in the restaurant where her date did not send back the wrong order, but just took it - veal instead of lasagna. She was initially disgusted by that effeminate behavior, but then later on he talked her out of it and made it appeal more reasonable because he called her "strong".

I see Sheryl Sandberg here - fuck the bad boys, but date the feminists. Oh - and let the feminists wait for it.

It's only good that Don Draper fucks girls with even stronger frame and speed than before. He orders girls to his home and fucks 2-3 a day with little more foreplay than 2 sentences before he sticks his dick in them. That's the proper way to do this.

Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks shown in clear view, but I am sure that many men will miss the importance of what is happening - they will just think - Don Draper, he just rides on his looks and money and is a lonely chauvinist pig. I will be a better man than him. But the truth is that women prefer the Don Draper, because he is an uncontrollable pre-selected Alpha who has fucked 1000 women. As one female blogger put it: "We want to have a chance to change him." Tame the Alpha is better than to be bored with the Beta.

[WestIndianArchie]

@Zelcorpion

Saw that last night...
He should have sent back that plate.

Peggy looks like she put on a few.
Joan looked like she lost a little weight.

Best broad that Don gave the draper too?

WIA

[Fortis]

Yeah the tables turn but only if you put in the work. All the dudes I know who pull hotties after thirty have their shit together

[N°6]

(04-06-2015 05:20 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Yeah the tables turn but only if you put in the work. All the dudes I know who pull hotties after thirty have their shit together

Yes. As well as this, the female collective price-fixes the supply so the raw SMV book values posted by Zelcorpion remain has wholesale prices and not for private trade.

On the other hand male thirst undermines the collective offering prices too. I think of the virgin medical student I knew: tall, good looking, intelligent and obviously full of hypergamous potential. At 27, when things would have been turning for him, he was locked down by a woman of the same age who left home at 16 and rode the cock carousel during her barmaid career.

She told his sister (my friend) how many men she had slept with. The figure is apparently shocking. The now surgeon-consultant in his 30s had only slept with one woman prior to meeting his 'one'.

At the very least, the chart above shows young men not to take the dry spells in their early 20s seriously but also not to be flattered into relationships in their late 20s and 30s.

[Cheetah]

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She told his sister (my friend) how many men she had slept with. The figure is apparently shocking.

Triple digits?

The sister really didn't feel any obligation to inform her brother about his former slut of a girlfriend?

[N°6]

(04-07-2015 12:16 AM)Cheetah Wrote:  

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She told his sister (my friend) how many men she had slept with. The figure is apparently shocking.

Triple digits?

The sister really didn't feel any obligation to inform her brother about his former slut of a girlfriend?

No and she didn't tell me either. I think the medical Beta-$$ would have been crushed.

She tried to stop it before because she saw how the barmaid overdosed him on sex on one of his birthdays shortly after he qualified as a graduate doctor. He reacted as badly as an alcoholic does when someone suggests he eases off the drink a bit.

He was getting bossed about the house the last time I heard by a very frumpy ex-barmaid who despite vicariously 'earning' a good salary was annoyed that the garden gate was creaking.

[Saladin]

In general yes. Most guys handicap themselves by getting married right before or as they start hitting that age and women start showing them attention.

I'm probably not going to settle down/get married till late 30s/early 40s at the earliest, if ever(I'm too young to figure out if I want to have kids or not, or what my end game is).

Let's keep this in mind though, you can "turn" the tables whenever you choose. That's the great thing about game and self improvement. Nothing's stopping you from approaching, improving your style, and hitting the gym.

There are lots of young guys getting tons of pussy. Become part of that group of the 20 percent. Don't wait till you're older.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-06-2015 11:56 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 05:20 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Yeah the tables turn but only if you put in the work. All the dudes I know who pull hotties after thirty have their shit together

Yes. As well as this, the female collective price-fixes the supply so the raw SMV book values posted by Zelcorpion remain has wholesale prices and not for private trade.

On the other hand male thirst undermines the collective offering prices too. I think of the virgin medical student I knew: tall, good looking, intelligent and obviously full of hypergamous potential. At 27, when things would have been turning for him, he was locked down by a woman of the same age who left home at 16 and rode the cock carousel during her barmaid career.

Even the men who don't have much of their shit together just having a solid job like a police offer, any blue collar worker and having saved some cash, bought and paid off partly a house, but stayed in shape - even the so-called average Joe who has stayed in shape, not been bogged down by divorce or some previous kids - he is a better catch in combined value of Alpha Fucks Alpha Bucks at age 35 than at age 25.

There is also something else going on with men as they age - many become more self-confident and mentally stronger. While it is true that for pure seduction a male 28 year old body would probably work best, but the problem is of course that you would have to take his 37 year old self and copy it to his 28 year old body to get those results.

Now with conscious Red Pill there are some Players who actually manage that feat by 26-28 having fucked 300+ women and manifested great charisma, but even those guys will likely have a greater combined value at 35 - while female characteristics of strength, self-confidence, education, career goals, etc. matter jack shit to us. A 30 year old woman is much less appealing than her 22 year old self. Also most women don't gain much from experiences - especially with other men - they just become more bitter and jaded.

Women have minds designed to get pregnant early, then have a couple of kids which keep her busy with drama and excitement. A man can be 37, unmarried and still happy as can be and childish as can be without being bitter, if he had plenty of women along the line. A woman at his place would be a mess.

Keep in mind that the graph above and the SMV-turn is something that women would love for men to not know about. The most dangerous man is one who becomes aware of his sexual market value - like your MD in your example No.6.

He has a rising SMV and should learn Game & Red Pill before settling down. He would find out that could get hotter, younger and nicer girls than that carousel rider.

The feminine imperative depends on men to remain blind to their own value. Best is if the MD thinks he is like a 16 year old boy in high-school and she is the hawwt girl there at the peak of her beauty and power instead of the jaded, carousel-riding, aging slut that will hit the wall rather sooner than later. Your friend should play his Beta Bucks until she pops out a kid or two (maybe his - maybe not) and then divorces his ass, because your friend in Beta state is more valuable divorced than married, so she can get tinderred again.

Give your friend a solid hand him a copy of Rational Male - a book described by women as: "You guys should not know about this!"

[Cheetah]

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while female characteristics of strength, self-confidence, education, career goals, etc. matter jack shit to us.

It does matter for an LTR, but generally the lower the better.

[OGNorCal707]

Absolutely so, I'll give you to quick examples... First, a girl I had a huge crush in during college, she was one of the only 8s in the whole school at that point, we are the same age, but I transferred in a year after her. Anyways, I had zero game back then and she basically dated the same guy for all 4 years of college, so aside from some looks and eye contact she didn't know I existed.

Fast forward 8 years, she moved away for a few years and then moved back, I started seeing her at the gym. My looks, style, confidence, etc. have grown since then, we were both 29, but I was hitting my peak and she was dropping off, she still looked good, but went from an 8 to a 7. She started eye fucking me for weeks before finally approaching me, obviously interested, asked if we went to college together, etc. She basically asked me out on a date and I got her number, but never hit her up because I was starting to date a hotter 24 year old at that time.

Example #2, festival hippy chick who I saw everywhere around town at restaurants, cafes, bars, concerts, etc. We are the same age, and when she was in her 20's she was really hot and sought after by many guys, while when I was in my early twenties I sucked and had no game and was getting no pussy. At some point down the stretch in our mid-20's I saw her at a reggae festival and tried to make a move, but came with incorrect game and fucked up. Fast forward to a couple months ago, we are both 30, and she has hit the wall hard.

She's very blond and fair skinned so years of the sun, partying too hard, drinking too much and doing too many drugs, and presumably riding a bunch of dicks, and now this chick looks burned the fuck out. Meanwhile I've been eating clean, taking supplements, working out, no drugs, so I look good. Anyhow I ran into her recently at this cafe and she was so hard on my dick that it was weird and kind of scary. She practically was begging me to take her number and said she wanted to hang out, but I straight up wasn't interested, and didn't even humor her.

So yes the tables do turn at thirty, two "hot chicks" who were stars in their early twenties, basically faded and hit the wall at 30, while my stock only rose. Funny thing is after all that time, it ended up that I didn't want them, I wanted the younger prettier thing.

[poutsara]

Yes it is easy after 30. Your game gets better as you age, physically you will likely be stronger (diet, exercise, moderate your alcohol), you have more money, you have more experience, you have more context.

The ONLY downside after 30 is regular access. When in college your access is likely at its high point while your game is not. The key is find ways to increase your access over 30 when your game is strongest.

[N°6]

Do people use Social Market Value or Sexual Market Value?

I am certain that men's Social Market Value increases with age. Although their Sexual Market Value increases with age to a point, then there's Viagra, I am less certain that men's Sexual Market Value tracks the rise of his social value.

Online, an older woman will correctly report that she receives interest from thirsty younger men while these younger men will report that women their age get so much mail that they don't answer.

If we concentrate on Sexual Market Value, are we in a land where women have the higher ground?

[N°6]

(04-04-2015 11:14 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/fi...g-the-smp/

Read our bible Rational Male or the blog.

This blog looks amazing. Will read it at work if it is safe to do so.

[civpro]

It becomes much easier to get girls within your age group because your relative values begin to diverge so sharply. It's almost like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes.

But does it suddenly become easier to get the young prime women that all men lust after? No. That's a myth.

[Travesty]

^ Exactly.

Your pool to attract gets bigger and the older ones get easier and easier. So it seems like it is easier overall since you get more options.

The reason young hot ones may possibly get easier is if your game and station in life improves by a large margin. Even then it is still tough and most guys need to travel to foreign countries to get young hot pussy.

[MikeS]

(04-08-2015 02:20 AM)poutsara Wrote:  

Yes it is easy after 30. Your game gets better as you age, physically you will likely be stronger (diet, exercise, moderate your alcohol), you have more money, you have more experience, you have more context.

The ONLY downside after 30 is regular access. When in college your access is likely at its high point while your game is not. The key is find ways to increase your access over 30 when your game is strongest.

And that can be a downside with a very substantial impact that can potentially easily outweigh what extra value you might have gained with age.

I had it easiest during my 20s where I would fairly regularly stumble drunkenly - without any conscious game knowledge - into one night stands (and occasional short relationships born out of those one night stands) in clubs or bars back in my native Denmark (where same night sex with stupidly drunk girls has been common for many years).
Some rare social circle hook-ups too.

In the first half of my 30s - still without any game knowledge and being a nice guy, albeit one with a decent "I don't give a fuck" attitude - I started getting really tired of regular nightlife, but still managed to get by acceptably in bars.
Working freelance from home - and didn't feel like trying to do much to counter the natural decrease in my social circle (introvert, socializing a couple of times a week with a few friends is enough for me) - social circle game or job related introductions to women was not readily available to me.

Then I moved to Bulgaria two years ago at 36 - and I've had to work harder than ever before for my lays. I'm thoroughly tired of going to clubs and bars so that only happens every few months (or bar visits with dates), and when I do go out it's much more difficult here than in Denmark. Lots of tables, mixed groups and even when I've managed to skirt around that with effort or luck, those one night stands that used to be practically guaranteed if I was making out with a girl back in my native country, have escaped me entirely. I get a phone number instead, a 50% chance of a flake, and if she does agree to go on a date then a substantial risk it's going nowhere.

Almost all my lays here have been from online dating. I have never tried that when I was younger so I have no previous experiences to compare to, but here it's very rare I can manage to get a response from women under 30 (when it does happen though, the mid 20s girls have been by far the easiest and quickest to get into bed).
And those over 30 are either childless, never married women looking for husband candidates (and wisely discarding me quickly, and not giving up the pussy) or divorced/widowed (had one of the latter) who have proven more amicable to no strings attached sex. After 2-3 dates.
But online game with mid 30s divorcees is hardly optimal quality.

Building a useful social circle is still way too much fucking work for my personality at this age (I have a few good local friends, but no help in the woman department), so that leaves daygame.
I've started making sporadic approaches in natural situations the last few months (supermarkets, standing or sitting near a cute girl - no street stops yet). No dates yet, but I definitely still have a ton of work to do in that area.

And I plan on going back to Thailand again the first couple of months of next year. That was fucking easy. Mind you, I was only banging 5s and 6s there last year, but not having to work hard at all for them was a nice change of pace compared to here where even a 35 year old 5 expects several dates and then is still only around 30% likely to sleep with me (dropping to around 15-20% for a 6).

[Kieran]

I agree with what's been said so far. The tables definitely turn massively with regards to women around your own age, but you're still going to have to compete with men from 18 to 40 for the finest 18 year olds. However, hopefully you have the knowledge, confidence, and resources to be at least in the competition by this stage.

I think that graph of SMV is a bit misleading and easily misinterpreted; It definitely shows the SMV of a man and woman of equal age relative to one another at a given time, but relatively speaking, a man's SMV is almost never equal to a hot 18 year old (with a few exceptions for famous musicians, athletes, actors, etc., who's SMV is higher). It also makes it seem like at 38 you'll be getting 18 year olds and that's not really the case - it can of course be done, and on the forum that's what many of us are trying and often succeeding to do, but let's face it, the majority of the hottest 18 year olds are fucking high SMV guys their own age or slightly older.