[CodyB]

(03-08-2015 10:56 PM)forever_beta Wrote:  

You don't need to be an asshole (defined as being mean on purpose), you just need to be assertive and put yourself first. You need always have a natural mindset of abundance and confidence so that you never do anything reactionary or cowardly with her out of fear of loss. Basically the don't give a f*** attitude because you really just don't care. Everything requires social intelligence (experience) so that you can calibrate to the situation automatically. There's no point to just being a jerk on purpose unless its part of some kind of play you are having with her.

A woman is not the beautiful goddess on a pedestal, shes just a person with problems just like you.

I think you're pretty close to nailing that one on the head.

BE the man; the dude that takes what he can when he can. Girls respect that because it is pretty much the most basic primal instinct.

[Pride male]

^^Should probably come up with a new word that describes an assertive dude. Asshole gives the wrong impression on newbies like myself.

[Rationalize]

Asshole game -- There is a slight difference required for Asian chicks imo - especially the Hong Kong & Mainland China set. (Some would kill me for grouping HK with Mainland -- but that's for another thread).

The successful formula seems to be a subset of asshole game, that I would characterise as "cheap-polite-indifference" game.

Be nice, be polite, but be conspicuously indifferent:

- be slow to respond to text.

- tell her about fun things you did with your friends (and not with her).

- if she ever texts you a question (?), do not answer her.

- block her on WeChat from time to time.

- if she ever gives you shit, stop replying for the day. (whomever texts last loses).

Also, conspicuously spend very little money on her (there are literally millions of wealthy chinese guys who have more cash than you do):

- open doors for her.

- pay for small items, snacks, junk food.

- hell, even offer her 10c worth of chewing gum for time to time (with hello-kitty related branding ideally).

- never invite her on a dinner date. never ever. (you will pay, there is zero physical escalation, and she will actually be there for the food).

- remember with these girls, cheap ice cream dessert dates go a long way.

Essential to remember, with this set, whomever shows the least interest wins.

As soon as you block her on one messenger app .. and she texts you on another app ... you know she will fuck you.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Well, duh! For every rule there is an exception - even here in the west, let alone out in the civilized world.

[djjunior]

What about being a good person overall... Not being needy.... Confident AND
a total badboy in the bedroom.. where you talk dirty to her, dominate her and rip her apart all night... I find this formula works fairly decent for me.. Yes if i like a girl I will buy her dinner, or a small gift, but slowly as the night progresses I get kinkier and kinkier and then totally dominate her in bed.. in which I find there more receptive to my kinky ways cause Ive already warmed them up slowly over dinner etc.

Any of you guys play way?

[Smooth Operator]

I think there is confusion on the definition of the term asshole.
For a beta male, a man who, for example doesn't pay for a woman or who's fucking more than 1 one woman, is an asshole - even if the guy is a genuine alpha man.
For a women, a man she wants but doesn't follow her agenda is an asshole - even if the guy is a genuine alpha man.
As a result guys think that to be successful with women you have to be an asshole, though these men they call assholes were just assertive/confident/dominant. Then when these guys want to be successful with women they employ the literal definition of an asshole, i.e. being disrespectful/abusive, which works specifically with low self-esteem women. Anyhow I think that women in general prefer an asshole over a beta, but a real alpha male over an asshole.

[WestIndianArchie]

You guys need to calibrate this discussion.

The person you project prior to meeting this chick
Who you are when you approach, versus mid game
What you do prior to the bang, post bang
How you handle her friends and family.
Whether or not want her to stick around
Longer term relationships

There's nuance to this shit.

WIA

[Rationalize]

(03-14-2015 03:12 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

You guys need to calibrate this discussion.

The person you project prior to meeting this chick
Who you are when you approach, versus mid game
What you do prior to the bang, post bang
How you handle her friends and family.
Whether or not want her to stick around
Longer term relationships

There's nuance to this shit.

WIA

"The person you project prior to meeting this chick": Project confident, indifferent, and as though the meeting was random, during your day to day items. Appear in a hurry, or at least that she doesn't really have your full attention. Tell her she seems "kind of fun" or "interesting <pause>" on the first meeting. Number close.

"Who you are when you approach, versus mid game": Approach is as a distraction from something more important you were already doing - or appear to be doing. Mid game is reluctance to text her back, no buy-in to her shit tests, combined with cheap dates at locations easy for you, where she has to put in some of the work.

"What you do prior to the bang, post bang": Prior to bang: "I don't usually date xyz (her)". or "I have a few things to do, but we can meet after dinner. You like desserts, right?". Post bang: She will do the work. Just back off and let her come to you, (while she lets you come in her).

"How you handle her friends and family.": Isolate. There is nothing good that comes from her friends and family knowing you. All you get is a team of muppets judging you, and giving her reasons not-to-fuck-you. In any case, assume all her little friends are already reading your texts, laughing and generally being cunt-ish. There's absolutely no reason to spend time with this army of delighted cock blockers. -- If you happen to end up in a situation where they are present, act beta/nice guy, but flirt with them just a little to piss her off. Do not linger.

"Whether or not want her to stick around": Sure. Until the sex gets boring, or she gets whingey, or she pushes for exclusivity. There are more girls out there.

"Longer term relationships": No. Asshole game works short term, and to control long term fuck buddies. For a LTR, asshole game kind of destroys women, and they will claim they were "abused" on the exit. We all know that's a bullshit excuse, because we are all adults, capable of defending ourselves .. and that "men and women are equal" etc .. but there is also a chick-mafia of supporters who will come to her aid, and back up the view that she was "emotionally abused", and call you a misogynist.

Banging short term:

- They never get fat.

- They never get old.

- And they never have a claim on your assets.

[mickeyd]

This article nails it on the head:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/...f-asshole/

[Alpone]

I've lost more girls by erring on the side of too much asshole. In college and grad school, I was blue pill but still pretty assertive during the short relationships I had. Now, perhaps I understand too much about women and my guard is up - I overgame. For a long time I was far to calculating and had the mindset of "get them first before they get you". It's hard to build stuff during constant war.

The trick is being accessible, confident, and saving the asshole side of yourself for when she really deserves it. It's not weakness to be nice/giving if it comes out of a place of abundance and not neediness.

[Sonoma]

I have an Asian girlfriend.

Nothing gets her wetter than a backhanded comment on her cooking or correcting her form in the gym

[Pride male]

I'm guessing the opposite is true. Not all women hate and punish good/nice/kind men.

[DJ-Matt]

I blew a potential fuckbuddy last week by being too much of an asshole. Not really a big loss, the only thing she had going was a nice skinny body. Tatts, 3 kids (hot dog down a hallway pussy), bitchy personality, etc.

Although one of the things she used as a reason for hating me, is I gave her a massive load of shit when it was stated she was getting a pixie cut.

[jamaicabound]

Are there women who respond to assholes, absolutely. Are there women who hate assholes? Absolutely.

I think alot of times confidence, and self assurance get twisted into arrogance and big headedness and basically assholish characteristics.

I've always kind of a been a proponent of you can get what you want and get women and play the field and not be a jerk and not shit on anyones head.

I thought this comment was kind of spot on...

I think there is confusion on the definition of the term asshole.
For a beta male, a man who, for example doesn't pay for a woman or who's fucking more than 1 one woman, is an asshole - even if the guy is a genuine alpha man.
For a women, a man she wants but doesn't follow her agenda is an asshole - even if the guy is a genuine alpha man.
As a result guys think that to be successful with women you have to be an asshole, though these men they call assholes were just assertive/confident/dominant. Then when these guys want to be successful with women they employ the literal definition of an asshole, i.e. being disrespectful/abusive, which works specifically with low self-esteem women. Anyhow I think that women in general prefer an asshole over a beta, but a real alpha male over an asshole.

Just in terms of it depends on how we define asshole. Some would say any guy who plays the field is an asshole but my definition, you can play the field, you can be a player, you can set your groundrules and go after what you want and not do bullshit you don't wanna do. Sure some people will say thats an asshole. I'm big on treating people right and treating people with respect and I think you can do that and still be an alpha male and everything else.

I've had period of my life where I was fucking 5-6 different women at the same time and they all knew it and were cool with it. Sure I maybe caught some flak from some here and there but I'd politely tell them, look you signed up for this, if you want a relationshpi or want to be exlclusive at this time in my life I'm not your guy but go find it more power to you. If they wanna stick around cool if not cool. It's not like I have to lie to chicks or treat them badly.