Quote: (03-20-2015 07:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (03-20-2015 05:30 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
Thanks for your information and your links. I am NOT sure if your "you are kidding right" is directed at me, but I would like to say that I was NOT kidding when I made my post. There was NO joking component in that post, and I was just making various layman's comments that were NOT too much disparate from the information that you provided.
You certainly seem much better read than me on this particular topic, so in that regard, I have the sense that your post will be very helpful to RVF guys, to the extent that RVF guys are receptive to that information.
I must note that, when it comes to various nutrition-related topics, there is a lot of misinformation out there, and especially in the mainstream propaganda, and I have frequently come across, even RVF guys who seem to be arguing (without much to back it up) regarding some point that the mainstream dogma seems to be propagating yet that kind of information frequently needs to be redirected towards receiving substantiation from better sources, and as far as I can tell, your post seems to be very helpful in regard to pointing us to informative sources in order that we will be better able to come our own conclusions regarding potential health impacts of various sweeteners.
It was more figuratively - nothing malicious meant by me.
Also it is true that you could likely debate those artificial sweeteners as well - there are some less dangerous ones like sorbitol or even white sugar. And I know it's new sometimes - I certainly consumed it freely until a couple of years ago being completely oblivious to their dangers.
Aside from their toxicity they are not even doing the job at calorie prevention either, but that is another matter.
I researched that topic quite well and it was amazing to find out that many conventional MDs know fully well about sweeteners, as in some cases a few people have actually destroyed their health with a high-dosage consumption of those things and thus the culprit can be pinpointed quite easily. Not that it helps much then at healing those diseases - not much can be done afterwards, since it's more like long-term poisoning.
And I know that one could disagree with me on that - so kidding is good-natured here. Sweeteners are one of the less contested things in the "alternative" field actually since even very ingrained mainstream MDs will rather prefer to err on the side of caution than on some essentially useless diet drink - sugar in moderate degrees is certainly known to be fine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20886530
The funny thing is that there are numerous studies out there and it's still allowed to proceed without any great impediment. I certainly was just as oblivious to it as most of the population only a few years ago blindly trusting government agencies to decide what's safe for consumption for me and my family.
Thanks for your further elaboration, Zelcorpion.
Well, now that you mention the role of doctors and nutrition issues, I would take the stance that generally speaking a large majority of medical doctors are either oblivious to nutritional matters or they are forced into various standards of care recommendations that are dominated by insurance companies, drug companies and the food industry.
In other words, you are usually NOT going to get the truth about nutrition or meaningful preventive measures from your doctor.
Let me just share a fairly short example from my personal history. Currently, I am in my late 40s; however, in my early 40s (so a little more than 4 years ago), various health professionals informed me that I needed to take precautions regarding my diet and my rising cholesterol level. Prior to that I had pretty much been eating whatever I wanted and following a lot of mainstream ideas regarding nutrition (in other words, if the box said that it was healthy, I just went along with it).
In sum, my doctor put me on a statin due to my "high ldl cholesterol, high triglicerides and low HDL) , and I decided to go along with his recommendation, and try out the statin for a while and then in the following months to begin to study into statins and cholesterol etc.
That whole experience opened up my eyes to a lot of amazing nutritional facts, and probably the first 7-8 months or so, I went along with my doctor and attempted to give them the benefit of the doubt and followed a lot of mainstream recommendations. About 6-8 months into the matter, I then began to become more exposed to the low carb and paleo and natural foods literature, and thereafter some of the considerable skepticisms concerning statin drugs.
Within the next 4 months, based on what I was reading, I weaned off of the statin drugs and began to become somewhat combative with my doctor concerning the varying levels of misinformation that he had been providing to me and questions concerning his lack of nutritional knowledge and his following various standards of care... including standards of care that push certain drugs, such as statins.
Actually, it was NOT just one doctor with whom I was arguing, because I had several follow-ups with various doctors through that year, and I quizzed a lot of these various doctors on the topic of nutrition. These doctors are in major research university setting, and in essence, the large majority of the doctors are really hog tied in their obligations to follow the standards of care (which generally contradict good nutrition and/or meaningful preventative measures).
These institutional doctors are fairly hostile to the low carb community, yet in my view the low carb community generally has a lot of the correct answers and sufficient science to back up their various claims (including works through authors like Gary Taubes and Jimmy Moore, and the many doctors that Jimmy Moore interviews through his low carb podcasts).
Anyhow, I am of the belief that many doctors may be well-intentioned in their desires to help patients to become more healthy, yet they are more or less shackled in their nutrition information by their requirements to follow "standards of care." They are bound by various misinformation, even though they are smart people.