[Saruman]

All right this is a serious thread I've been pimping for 15 years plus and I love reading this board mainly for it's filtered content and diverse and researched opinions about oversea and small city gaming.

What I notice however is two main types of people writing and lurking on this board

A) Poosy paradise travelers

People who are settling down at some place for months or years and try to mingle, exchange or confront likeminded people about the angle on pussy in a certain geographical area

Cold approach traverlers

People that because of work, girlfriend, financial or even family related reasons cannot travel more than a couple weeks to a given location.

Actually I'd like to make a poll, but I don't know how and I wonder what percentage of people here are in each category, because having 2 months to screw girls is not the same as having two days and I think this difference in time is essential to differentiate what kind of content you are posting about a certain city, don't you all think people should mention is this section if their date sheet is about short term or long term stay?

I feel alot of content concerns people who are actually anchoring in some places....

[Brodiaga]

Here is another reason why trip length is important: randomness. A guy spends 3 days in Hong Kong and gets laid with one of the hottest girls in his life. Then the same guy spends 3 days in Tokyo and strikes out. Does it mean that Tokyo is worse than HK for getting laid? Does it mean that the guy's game got rusty all of a sudden? I would say most likely it's just randomness. Now, if the same guy spent 3 months in each city and got very different results, that would mean that one of the cities is easier at least for that guy and other guys of his type.

[Roosh]

Don't post in all caps.

[Saruman]

Cold approach is like baseball.

The difference between 0.220 and 0.320 is huge.

The problem is that with the global decline in nightlife combined with the real surge in online game like Tinder and what not, destinations for short term cold approach are getting scarce I'm thinking South Beach, Las Vegas(for some I think it's a lure), Barcelona some periods of the year, NYC with money, Thailand some period of the years with some very local data on where to go and when and where to say and maybe other places I don't know of.

So the point of this thread is: Is there a future for cold approach short term travelling?

I've sure tried it in the last 6-7 years on a consistent basis and I can tell you nightgame is in a freefall and that is not good for the rest I'm still figuring out

(03-12-2015 08:37 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Here is another reason why trip length is important: randomness. A guy spends 3 days in Hong Kong and gets laid with one of the hottest girls in his life. Then the same guy spends 3 days in Tokyo and strikes out. Does it mean that Tokyo is worse than HK for getting laid? Does it mean that the guy's game got rusty all of a sudden? I would say most likely it's just randomness. Now, if the same guy spent 3 months in each city and got very different results, that would mean that one of the cities is easier at least for that guy and other guys of his type.

[Lucky Luke]

I don't agree that nightgame is in freefall at all. It's a question of having good intel and knowing where to go. The girls I get in clubs are nowhere to be seen in Tinder. People still go out at night, and do it on enormous rates.

EDIT: Ah, and I travel a lot. Kiev is an amazing nightlife spot, Vilnius too, Tallinn, Stockholm, Madrid, Odessa in summer, Seoul... I could go on and on and on.

[Rang off the Pipe]

I've thought about this for a while, but didn't bother to start a topic since my experience is limited. I'm sure someone can compile a list of places where ONS/SNL would be most likely since one would think that the majority of places in the world would favor someone with long-term placement. I can think of a few places in the US off the top of my head, although some would certainly be conditional (festival, student populations, etc.).

[Saruman]

(03-12-2015 09:03 PM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

I don't agree that nightgame is in freefall at all. It's a question of having good intel and knowing where to go. The girls I get in clubs are nowhere to be seen in Tinder. People still go out at night, and do it on enormous rates.

EDIT: Ah, and I travel a lot. Kiev is an amazing nightlife spot, Vilnius too, Tallinn, Stockholm, Madrid, Odessa in summer, Seoul... I could go on and on and on.

I'm not saying night life dead I'm saying it's in decline, or at the best in a downward swing, can you compare with the past if yes address this;

A) Girls don't drink anymore

Whether in your baltic countries or elsewhere , when is the last time you saw girls take group shots at the bar if there is not a bachelorette party.

Look how many girls have nothing in their hands when they dance or whenever they are, in the early 2000's girls would drink and even pay you drinks, look around now

B) Two sets are rare;

Look around

C) Ratios are still good, but you need to know where and when to go.

D) ONS are more difficult or few and far between.

E) Girls are more savy and will respond well to cold approach but to pull them out of the bar cold? You better dig up some Mystery stuff, because you better start working

F) Bottle services are important for any major bar where you will see 8.5 + girls and now the VIP section closes things up, I'm sorry that only existed in Vegas, Paris, LA and London before on such a large scale

Am I the only one to see this?

I'm not trying to be bitter or pessimistic, hell I'm plowering through this with resilience and still travelling, but am I the only one to aknowledge this?

I fell this real success can be achieved by the players who can travel whenever they want or people or stay at least 2 weeks at the same place.

Is there still a future for cold approach travelling without pipelinning or using 2.0?

When I travel to a place I drop 3K to get there and 2.5K minimum per week so don't get me started about how you rented a 700$ USD flat and banged 8 girls in two months any respectable player can date and do that I'm talking cold approach short stay 3-6 nights travelling per city

[lavidaloca]

(03-12-2015 09:28 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

(03-12-2015 09:03 PM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

When I travel to a place I drop 3K to get there and 2.5K minimum per week so don't get me started about how you rented a 700$ USD flat and banged 8 girls in two months any respectable player can date and do that I'm talking cold approach short stay 3-6 nights travelling per city

Maybe you shouldn't travel first class...

A short stay guy has one serious advantage over long term travelers. They typically have a much bigger budget.

I can fly to Colombia and drop 3k in a week big deal. But if I was there 6 months would I really be comfortable dropping 75k? No.

[Edgemell]

I am a short stay guy, and my solution to the fast bang has always been pipelining... In fact, in the old days I had some good results off friendster, and now, my resource for everywhere is tagged..

I got good dates, bangs and near bangs in .. let me see... (only the tagged results here...)

Duisburg, Germany (zambian)
Milan, Italy (filipina)
Nottingham, UK (Brazilian and indonesian)
Dubai, UAE (kenyan, ugandan and filipina)
Lisbon, Portugal (filipina)

I am aware that I don't get local talent.. But it does feel exotic to do what I have been doing

[draketton]

Just call it for what it is, short term vs long term.

A pussy paradise is anywhere that it's easy to get the kind of sex you want.
A cold approach is when you hit on a complete stranger with no social proof.

Neither has anything to do with short term vs long term.

[Saruman]

(03-13-2015 09:38 AM)draketton Wrote:  

Just call it for what it is, short term vs long term.

A pussy paradise is anywhere that it's easy to get the kind of sex you want.
A cold approach is when you hit on a complete stranger with no social proof.

Neither has anything to do with short term vs long term.

When you are in a city for a couple nights or even a week, you have to rely on cold approach to meet women and escalate things quickly to get some results.

When you are in a city for months, you can rely on some sort of social proof or social status given by the fact you are living in the city, maybe with some girl you see for the second time at the coffee shop, maybe with that next door neighboor, maybe for that girl you see at the club each Thursday, not mentioning any lies you can provide to justify that you are staying in the city for a long time.

This will unequivocally get you some pussy and alot of pussy if you have good game.

This is not possible when you visit destinations for a quick period of time, with that you can pipeling (never tried that before and cannot because I have a LTR it's risky) or get data on where to go out, but that brings me back to my point to the effect that nightlife is in decline, I really wonder if I'm the only person who noticed this on this forum' I sure know this information has been discussed elsewhere in the community, based on many of the core principles of what is wrong with the West discussed on this site.

So my point is yes there is a big difference how many bangs you can have depending on the time you stay, as you get exponentially get girls with time and on the other end it's very difficult to score on short stays, which is very bad for people who cannot travel for a long period of time.

For that matter I don't believe there is any Poosy paradise in the world for short term except South Beach in February and March and another precise place in Europe at a certain period of time in the summer and I've put the time into this I'd like to hear others who can tell me they rack girls on short term stays on a consistent basis and without appearing as the big baller troll I have game that's not the problem I could win an approach and no rejection contest if such a things existed, the situation of nightgame is the problem, girls are more than ever after validation and if they will fuck on dates they will not leave the bar for a ONS easily.

Source: 7-8 years travelling the poosy paradise always 2 week trips with 3-4 countries per trip, 15 years in the game

[PeruLover12]

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[Lucky Luke]

I'm 38, and have been traveling and partying for the last 20 years. There were never real pussy paradises, except maybe for Cuba in the 90s and the FSU at that period too, for very precise economic reasons. Elsewhere, ONS have always been hit and miss, sometimes you manage, sometimes you don't. If you are willing to lower your standards you will have better numbers in general, I like to play top tier game (models, hostesses, etc), without spending ridiculous amounts of money so it's harder, buy still possible.

In my experience, nightlife is not on the decline, it's still the same shit everywhere, just with different music. Maybe that's the case in the US, the only places I've partied there in the last years have been Miami Beach and NYC, but I've been in a couple spring breaks in Mexico and my friends's company organises the parties for Americans in Barcelona, and it seems to be the same shit. Maybe because they are abroad, who knows.

[Saruman]

(03-14-2015 09:07 AM)Lucky Luke Wrote:  

I'm 38, and have been traveling and partying for the last 20 years. There were never real pussy paradises, except maybe for Cuba in the 90s and the FSU at that period too, for very precise economic reasons. Elsewhere, ONS have always been hit and miss, sometimes you manage, sometimes you don't. If you are willing to lower your standards you will have better numbers in general, I like to play top tier game (models, hostesses, etc), without spending ridiculous amounts of money so it's harder, buy still possible.

In my experience, nightlife is not on the decline, it's still the same shit everywhere, just with different music. Maybe that's the case in the US, the only places I've partied there in the last years have been Miami Beach and NYC, but I've been in a couple spring breaks in Mexico and my friends's company organises the parties for Americans in Barcelona, and it seems to be the same shit. Maybe because they are abroad, who knows.

Your comments are interesting because you have reference points in the past.

I agree with your comments and look for top tier girls as well unless it's really easy.

This being said you don't think that before Tinder, social networks, before girls actually used their cellphones in an evening, that it was easier to pick up a girl from a club using cold approach?

If I'm the only one who thinks this then maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen the difference in the last 5 years, and when you think about 10 years back it's substantial before it would seem I could pull one night out of three now it's more like one night out of seven..............or eight, the ROI is just not there anymore, but I still go out.

[Apollo21]

If you are willing to spend the time and money, you can have your own paradise
...for a while anyway...but just traveling to another city or country for a few days and expecting the local residents to greet you warmly and introduce their hot 18 year old virgin daughters is a fantasy.

However for some reason that fantasy secretly lives on in every guy who travels
to a new city looking for girls.

That doesn't mean you can't get lucky. However as mentioned before, pipelining
is the best way to make use of your time.

[Giorgioo]

I have concluded that if you want to have top quality,you defenitely need long term stance in the country...either is in Madrid,Paris or any Eastern European city..

I call long term to the period of 3+ weeks.

why?Let's be realistic,if you don't want to rely on luck,you need long term estance in that country,you know,you need to play the numbers game,probably,top quality girls won't go with a random guy they meet in the same day/night and they will need to go on dates(if your value is very high or do you have a master level of game it can happen).

There are many factors playing in this: your looks,status,logistics,game,the time you will stay in the country,how girls perceive you in the country...etc

does anyone agree/disagree?

[Akula]

I'm not exactly sure what OP is trying to say with his post, but I don't think "Poosy Paradise" and cold approach are mutually exclusive, or that you can't work certain places on an on-again, off-again basis. By that I mean you can play long game if you want and just set up bangs for the next visit (if it's within a reasonable amount of time).

Traveling abroad to game opens your eyes up to what else is out there and gives you a good reference point to judge your region or country's ladies, even if it's only a couple weeks a year, whether on business or purely for fun.

I would say that most men would agree that the women in the Anglosphere are generally sub-par and not worthy of relationships let alone marriage (plenty of exceptions of course). Why deal with it unless you absolutely have to? I personally don't tend to game much at all when I go back home (but have gotten a few bangs here and there) but rather look forward to my trips to places that are target-rich environments.

Most guys take the easy way out with women though and just stay within the confines of their city & region and take whatever comes along which is essentially the easy way out.