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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

This is a huge case going on now in Silicon Valley and the SJWs have latched on as they believe this could show the huge gender discrimination that many woman face that make them unable to join or advance in the tech sector. Basically what happened is that an entitled, snarky, cuntish woman tried to sleep her way to the top at a venture capitalist firm Kleiner Perkins. Her plan didn't go her way and she decided to sue the company for millions. The people who worked there then started treating her differently (I wonder why) and she claims it was because of gender discrimination that she didn't receive a promotion and was eventually fired. She also filed for discrimination the same time her "husband" Buddy Fletcher and flamboyantly homosexual black male who openly dating another man for over 10 years with a history of sexual discrimination lawsuits filed for bankruptcy.

If you've been following the media about this story nearly every single story has been on Pao's side and done their best to paint Kleiner Perkins as some sort of misogynistic boy's club. She's also been really playing up the SJW victim mentality with statements like this "I just want equal rights for woman and men in VC, I want my story told." I've read dozens of articles on this and so far all of them read like some SJW fanfiction then actual journalism, then today a ray of sunshine appeared.

This is a typical article which was written on this case by a feminist IRT.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/815744...ial-gender


Here is the article read today by arstechnica written by a non troll-like female. Other SJW outlets have been extremely quiet on reporting these events even though they were pumping out multiple articles on all the little details of this event.
In parenthesis are my comments on it

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/...wyers-say/

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SAN FRANCISCO—Kleiner Perkins lawyer Lynne Hermle began her cross-examination of reddit interim CEO and former Kleiner Perkins junior partner Ellen Pao today in a high-profile gender discrimination case that Pao filed against the Silicon Valley venture capital firm in 2012. Pao has maintained that Kleiner Perkins failed to take action when a colleague of hers began harassing her and failed to promote her, while promoting less-qualified men.

Hermle’s goal today was to poke holes in Pao’s claims. Armed with a deposition that Pao had given prior to the trial, Hermle asked Pao about specific claims she had made and then played video clips from Pao’s deposition where she offered contrary answers.

The most notable occurred at the outset of the cross-examination when Hermle asked if Pao had, when she applied for the job at Kleiner Perkins, intended to move into an operating role after her experience there. Pao asserted in her testimony two days earlier that she had intended to become an investor from the outset, and that her plans were dashed by discrimination from Kleiner.

But when Hermle asked Pao if her goal had been to move into an operating role—usually taken to mean c-suite positions like CEO, COO, and so forth—Pao, taking long pauses before each response, said she wasn’t sure. Hermle then asked to play a video from a deposition taken prior to the trial. In the video, Pao affirmed that she did have interest in moving into a “key operating role,” and that she did not have any intention to work in venture capital long-term.

The conflicting testimony could bolster Kleiner's argument that Pao was not promoted because she didn't have the experience or the drive to be an investor.

Tension filled the packed courtroom as Hermle asked Pao to read the job description that Pao had received when she first was hired at Kleiner Perkins, including a request that the candidate be “humble.”

”You understand what humble means don’t you Ms. Pao?” Hermle asked pointedly. The defense has argued that Pao often thought herself better than her peers, and that Pao did not have the required experience to be promoted over her male colleagues.

“Mixed messages”

As Hermle presented pages and pages of correspondence between Pao and her Kleiner Perkins colleagues, the firm’s lawyer tried to show that Pao was not only inconsistent with the messages she sent her coworkers, but also unnecessarily dismissive and harsh with them.

According to Pao’s testimony, the first time Ajit Nazre—the coworker she has said harassed her—made an inappropriate advance towards her was when the two of them were on a business trip in Germany in 2006. As the two were crossing the street, Pao says, she was hit by a cab. Then, Pao moved to a bench and Nazre put his arm around her. (Consoling someone after being hit by a car is now sexual discrimination)

“You didn’t say no?” Hermle asked, incredulously.

“No I had just been hit by a cab… I was in a daze” Pao answered, moments later clarifying that Nazre had crossed in front of her and as she followed him the light changed and the cab hit her.

“You’re not trying to blame him for this?” Hermle asked.

“Not this part,” Pao said with a smirk, to some chuckles in the audience.

Hermle pulled up some e-mails between Pao and Nazre over the course of their relationship, which Pao has testified was brief (In earlier articles she claimed she was "pressured" into a relationship with him). In many of the e-mails, Pao wrote flattering things to Nazre. “Your thought process is so clean and so quick...it just amazes me,” she wrote just after the Germany trip in which she testified Nazre made an unwelcome advance.

Hermle also tried to show that Pao was difficult to work with and launched similar complaints against many coworkers, not just Nazre. During their brief relationship, Pao wrote to Nazre about her problems with Trae Vassallo, a female colleague at the firm who, years later, also complained to Kleiner Perkins management about Ajit Nazre’s behavior. In 2006, Pao wrote to Nazre complaining that Trae was trying to be her “buddy.”

"I have so many buddies it will be a race to the bottom,” Pao wrote to Nazre in 2006.

Around the same time, Pao sent a few e-mails to senior managers complaining about Vassallo. Pao wrote that she “dumps work and does not give credit,” and that she “does not share information.”

”Do you recognize those as complaints similar to those you made about Mr. Nazre?” Hermle asked.

"Yes," Pao said.

In 2005, Pao also wrote to Ray Lane about her conflicts with Vassallo, saying "Trae needs to change her behavior. It’s Trae's turn to reach out to people around her, she had to work to dig herself out of this hole.”

Pao has also testified that she went and talked to Nazre's mentor Ray Lane in 2007 about his continued harassment (The "harassment she faced was sleeping with Nazre, a man who she knew was married then finding out he wouldn't leave his wife for her), but that Lane responded to her by encouraging her to marry Nazre. Hermle brought up the e-mailed response from Lane, which read, in part, "I met my best friend and love of my life at work. In Texas, where my first wife and I filed for divorce, there was no legal separation. I started dating Stephanie three years after my ex and I were separated, but not officially divorced.”

Hermle asked Pao where, in that correspondence, Lane had encouraged her to marry Nazre. “I believe he was making an analogy between his relationship with his wife, and my relationship with Ajit,” Pao responded. (Changes her narrative when confronted)

“Did you ever ask Mr. Lane about the analogy?”

Pao paused. “No I did not,” she replied.

Pao has also testified that Lane encouraged her to have lunch with Nazre to work out their differences, and that Nazre had followed Pao back to her car after an uncomfortable talk. Hermle suggested that Pao ought to have told Lane that she was uncomfortable eating lunch with Nazre.

“At this time you were capable of being perfectly direct with the people you worked with, right Ms. Pao?” Hermle asked.

“Depends on the topic but yes,” Pao answered.

Hermle then produced some e-mails from the day after Pao's lunch with Nazre, which indicated that the lunch had ended positively. "I did hear what you said yesterday and internalized it,” Pao wrote to Nazre the next day, adding "you know I would do anything to preserve our friendship, even though sometimes it’s harder than other times." (This sounds exactly like the e-mail Mattress Girl sent after her alleged "rape")

Kleiner Perkins also has said that Pao’s boss, John Doerr, took necessary steps to protect Pao from harassment. After Doerr learned of Nazre’s advances, he became angry, but Pao sent him an e-mail saying that she and Nazre had resolved their differences. Doerr sent Pao an e-mail saying he was relieved, writing, "I’m fiercely protective of the future and well being of KPCB, of my partners, and of you. …no partner should make KPCB uncomfortable for others. I posses a willful, purposeful resolve that at KPCB each partner can grow to be their best in every way.”

Hermle then asked Pao if Doerr specifically requested that Pao and Nazre not work together. "At least once, yes,” Pao answered, continuing, “I believe I said I though it would work.” (She claimed they did nothing for years)

“Too promotional” or harboring “resentment”?

Pao has also testified that she revised a 2009 self review that she wrote because her boss, John Doerr, told her it was “too self-promotional.” Hermle produced a 2009 e-mail from Doerr that addressed Pao's self review, but never mentioned her being too self-promotional. Instead, Doerr wrote that he was worried that Pao was far too negative. “Ellen, In several places I sense resentment in your self-review," Doerr wrote. "I hope others don’t read it that way.”

”There’s nothing in here about being too self-promotional,” Hermle told the jury. Pao then clarified that Doerr made the “too self-promotional” comment verbally after another draft of her self-review. (Conveniently has no evidence of the events but as Hilary Clinton says "just trust me on this one")

Hermle then turned the jury’s attention to what Pao actually wrote in her self-review. “I fill in the slack when others drop the ball, which I feel [is] unpleasant and which others often resent," Pao wrote about her work.

"I continue to do more than 50% of the Chief of Staff role” Hermle read aloud from Pao's review, noting that at the time of the review Wen Hsieh, who was supposed to share Pao's duties as chief of staff, had been in China spending time with his mother who was dying of brain cancer. (Being a cunt and being angry when a man has to take leave and she has to do pick up the extra work, sounds familiar to what happens in a thing called maternity leave which is sexist and discriminatory if companies don't want to hire you because you are a risk to take it. She took maternity leave shortly after)

"I frequently covered, often on short notice, for others on numerous projects, especially those which appeared to be time consuming,” Pao wrote in 2009, adding that despite the fact that Doerr had hired a paid speech writer, “... I still had to be called in to finish it [a series of his speeches] during my honeymoon. Interestingly, speech preparations have a funny way of taking place during holidays or vacations."

Hermle turned to Pao. "Do you think that [mentioning that] you had to be called in to finish this on your honeymoon appeared resentful Ms. Pao?”

“No, it was a fact,” Pao said.

Hermle also grilled Pao on the names of the three administrative assistants that Pao said had filed complaints of sexual harassment at Kleiner Perkins. Hermle identified one—an events planner with Kleiner Perkins who had made a complaint while working at the firm claiming that Arnold Schwarzenegger had “pinched her butt.” (Schwarzenegger is not affiliated with Kleiner Perkins). Pao was unable to recall the names of the other two administrative assistants besides one named “Tina,” but Pao could not remember her last name.

Money money money

Pao has also complained that after she complained to Kleiner senior staff about harassment and retaliation, Kleiner retaliated against her by putting off her official 2008 review. Her review was put off first just before her maternity leave, and then again put off in December so her bosses could attend a retirement party.

”But failing to get the review certainly didn’t hurt your compensation did it?” Hermle asked.

“No,” Pao responded, looking straight at Hermle.

“You got a salary increase of $40,000?” Hermle continued.

"I don’t remember,” Pao said.
(How many here would forget a raise of $40,000)

“You also got a bonus of close to $150,000,” Hermle pressed. “And you listed this as evidence of retaliation in your complaint.”

“Not the bonus, but the lack of getting a review,” Pao maintained. (So would you guys get a review or $180,000 in bonuses)

Pao has asked for $16 million in lost wages from Kleiner Perkins.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

This woman is just a greedy cunt.
Playing the victim left and right.
I can only imagine what it was like to work with her over the years.

Great job on the thread title and formatting. Easy to read and highlighted the important bits
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

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an events planner with Kleiner Perkins who had made a complaint while working at the firm claiming that Arnold Schwarzenegger had “pinched her butt.”

[Image: Arnold-Schwarzenegger-cheating-scandal-Meme.jpg]
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

The US corporate and legal structure necessitates signing legal waivers before sex happens. At some companies you have to disclose your relationship status for legal reasons.

I would go a step further in the US and enforce NBA-like legal waivers that have to be signed by women before sex. So be it - if they get fucked, then no perks, no money, no favors are given. Or best yet - don't hire women at all unless you own a strip-joint.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-12-2015 04:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The US corporate and legal structure necessitates signing legal waivers before sex happens. At some companies you have to disclose your relationship status for legal reasons.

I would go a step further in the US and enforce NBA-like legal waivers that have to be signed by women before sex. So be it - if they get fucked, then no perks, no money, no favors are given. Or best yet - don't hire women at all unless you own a strip-joint.

I do wonder what is the maximum number of employees you can employ before you have to hire a woman in the USA. It might depend by state.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

16 mil. Seriously?
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

I think it does depend on state. When I researched this before the federal guidelines put it at above the requirements to be a small business if I remember correctly. If I remember correctly, a small business is defined as a business with less than 500 employees but it also differs based on industry with some definitions in the less than 250 employees and some as less than 100 employees with other at less than 750 or even 1000 employees. So, fields like construction, agriculture, and mining have larger caps with things like retail having lower caps. They also define small businesses by industry based of sales receipts which fluctuate wildly. I know that there are also state laws. I think it my state it is between 45 and 60 employees that the equal representation laws come into effect. However, it also depends on the industry. This is why Hooters and strip clubs don't get sued for not hiring males. Their business model precludes it. Also, it depends on whether or not you are a right to work state and also whether or not there is sufficient diversity in the occupation.

By that it means, from what I understand, that if you are in some niche business where there may only be a small portion of people qualified or licensed to do something, then you may not be found as discriminatory. Think about some of the people who are licensed and certified to fix specialized machinery found in certain types of factories. In some of those cases there may only be a thousand or even less people in the whole world with experience and certification on some specially built machine.
Quote: (03-12-2015 05:00 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

Quote: (03-12-2015 04:36 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The US corporate and legal structure necessitates signing legal waivers before sex happens. At some companies you have to disclose your relationship status for legal reasons.

I would go a step further in the US and enforce NBA-like legal waivers that have to be signed by women before sex. So be it - if they get fucked, then no perks, no money, no favors are given. Or best yet - don't hire women at all unless you own a strip-joint.

I do wonder what is the maximum number of employees you can employ before you have to hire a woman in the USA. It might depend by state.

Women these days think they can shop for a man like they shop for a purse or a pair of shoes. Sorry ladies. It doesn't work that way.

Women are like sandwiches. All men love sandwiches. That's a given. But sandwiches are only good when they're fresh. Nobody wants a day old sandwich. The bread is all soggy and the meat is spoiled.

-Parlay44 @ http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35074.html
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-12-2015 07:37 AM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  

16 mil. Seriously?

That's the thing. When you break these sexual harassment lawsuits down, what you really find is that these women are putting a price, often a very inflated price, on their pussies. Her pussy isn't worth 16 million.

Women these days think they can shop for a man like they shop for a purse or a pair of shoes. Sorry ladies. It doesn't work that way.

Women are like sandwiches. All men love sandwiches. That's a given. But sandwiches are only good when they're fresh. Nobody wants a day old sandwich. The bread is all soggy and the meat is spoiled.

-Parlay44 @ http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35074.html
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-12-2015 02:42 AM)EuphoricWizard Wrote:  

"I just want equal rights for woman and men in VC, I want my story told."

This is the blatant bullshit that feminism is still trying to peddle.

Gender equality is written in law in Western countries.


When they start trying to stop disadvantaged girls in Europe(Rotheram, Rochdale, etc. and places like Malmo(google rape stats for Malmo)), and truly disadvantaged women in less developed places, I might consider taking their bullshit movement seriously.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Good post editing and formatting by the way, OP. Lots of new members just lump in a link, good to see.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-12-2015 09:52 AM)Troll King Wrote:  

That's the thing. When you break these sexual harassment lawsuits down, what you really find is that these women are putting a price, often a very inflated price, on their pussies. Her pussy isn't worth 16 million.

Elin Nordegren, $100 million dolla poosy...

[Image: FP_4166131_STLA_Nordegren_Elin_120709.jpg]

"The point is, marriage is stupid. Every year there are a million hot, new 22-year olds going into bars, and call me glass-half-full, but I think they're getting dumber." -Barney Stinson
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

^^^

Is that Tiger Woods ex? Between the mole on her tits and the large and deformed feet. 2/10 not worth 100 million. However I would give you the Dubai Deuce. [Image: smile.gif]

Women these days think they can shop for a man like they shop for a purse or a pair of shoes. Sorry ladies. It doesn't work that way.

Women are like sandwiches. All men love sandwiches. That's a given. But sandwiches are only good when they're fresh. Nobody wants a day old sandwich. The bread is all soggy and the meat is spoiled.

-Parlay44 @ http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35074.html
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Troll King, that's her!

"The point is, marriage is stupid. Every year there are a million hot, new 22-year olds going into bars, and call me glass-half-full, but I think they're getting dumber." -Barney Stinson
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-12-2015 04:00 PM)Troll King Wrote:  

^^^

Is that Tiger Woods ex? Between the mole on her tits and the large and deformed feet. 2/10 not worth 100 million. However I would give you the Dubai Deuce. [Image: smile.gif]

[Image: lolwtf.gif]

Come on you wouldn't bang her ? or are you saying in general she isn't worth that much ?

I personally think that side boob mole is cute.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Funny thing is, this bitch married a (gay) black dude, Buddy Fletcher, who is also notorious for suing his employers, although in his case it's for racial discrimination. A perfect parasitic couple.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Nah, I'd bang her. But I wouldn't wife her. I honestly don't understand how guys can hear about celebrity divorces with such huge settlements and still get married.

Women these days think they can shop for a man like they shop for a purse or a pair of shoes. Sorry ladies. It doesn't work that way.

Women are like sandwiches. All men love sandwiches. That's a given. But sandwiches are only good when they're fresh. Nobody wants a day old sandwich. The bread is all soggy and the meat is spoiled.

-Parlay44 @ http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-35074.html
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

There should be a photo of the greedy bitch on here to really know what we're dealing with.
[Image: ellen-pao.jpg]
I bet she's just a bundle of fun to be around. There's surely a correlation between a woman prematurely going grey and being a cunt.
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Quote: (03-14-2015 07:35 AM)Horus Wrote:  

There should be a photo of the greedy bitch on here to really know what we're dealing with.
[Image: ellen-pao.jpg]
I bet she's just a bundle of fun to be around. There's surely a correlation between a woman prematurely going grey and being a cunt.

[Image: XGs86i2.jpg]

What amazes me is how guys get into drama with asian-american girls. They can be worse than the typical American woman. The insecurity and entitlement is dialed up to 10, so is the crazy.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Is it just me or does she look a bit like a tranny?
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

I was in a company that had a lawsuit like this. It was the biggest bunch of legal-troll bullshit ever. It wasn't even remotely factual, and made huge mistakes (like, inventing trips to cities that don't exist on the map!)

But the courts let her proceed because the judges are idiots. The law firm hired to defend demanded $250K to even start a defense.

My lessons:

1. the legal system in the US is so corrupt it's unbelievable.
2. Women who are really sexually harassed in the workplace almost never sue...they just quit. The women who sue are professional legal trolls like Ellen Pao.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-14-2015 07:35 AM)Horus Wrote:  

[Image: ellen-pao.jpg]

[Image: jordan.gif]

Take care of those titties for me.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-14-2015 08:30 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What amazes me is how guys get into drama with asian-american girls. They can be worse than the typical American woman. The insecurity and entitlement is dialed up to 10, so is the crazy.

Asian-American women deserves it's own thread. Not sure how many would chime in or the interest level but in the SoCal area I hear they are absolute terrors to deal with for both Asian and Non-Asian men. They take everything from White feminism and multiply it by 1000x: Hypergamy, Shit tests, all kinds of pointless insubordination cry-baby princess syndromes, etc.
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

Quote: (03-15-2015 05:02 PM)GlockTrigga Wrote:  

Quote: (03-14-2015 08:30 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What amazes me is how guys get into drama with asian-american girls. They can be worse than the typical American woman. The insecurity and entitlement is dialed up to 10, so is the crazy.

Asian-American women deserves it's own thread. Not sure how many would chime in or the interest level but in the SoCal area I hear they are absolute terrors to deal with for both Asian and Non-Asian men. They take everything from White feminism and multiply it by 1000x: Hypergamy, Shit tests, all kinds of pointless insubordination cry-baby princess syndromes, etc.

I lived in the socal area for a long time and if you asked me 15 years ago I would have said that asian-american girls (and latinas) still had better personalities on average when compared with the typical white american girl. The perceptible change started to happen around 10 years ago or so when media started making asian girls the "it" thing. I started to live abroad when the biggest changes were happening so it's been a long time since i've dated an asian-american girl but all my friends back in socal say the attitudes are way worse now with that particular demographic.

I'd say it's due to hardcore betas of all races putting asian women on a pedestal especially in the U.S...media limelight syndrome. You have literal 4's dating billionaires (Mrs. Zuckerburg) and attention whoring like this Ellen Pao moron. An Ellen Pao would get laughed out of the room in asia but in the U.S. she's able to cultivate high profile drama with numerous willing betas. It's also due to the new millenial generation coming up. The asian-american tweens growing up these days are basically whiny white girls with slanty eyes.
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Quote: (03-15-2015 05:02 PM)GlockTrigga Wrote:  

Quote: (03-14-2015 08:30 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

What amazes me is how guys get into drama with asian-american girls. They can be worse than the typical American woman. The insecurity and entitlement is dialed up to 10, so is the crazy.

Asian-American women deserves it's own thread. Not sure how many would chime in or the interest level but in the SoCal area I hear they are absolute terrors to deal with for both Asian and Non-Asian men. They take everything from White feminism and multiply it by 1000x: Hypergamy, Shit tests, all kinds of pointless insubordination cry-baby princess syndromes, etc.

RVF Asian women thread here
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Ellen Pao (Reddit CEO) gender discrimination claim falls apart during trial

This is embarassing. It seems like SJWs know what the outcome is gonna be so they started pushing new articles. If there is one group of people you can think would be objective it's those crooks on Wall Street as they don't care about Republican/Democrat/SJW, all the care about is the bottom line which is money. Even the business guys though are pumping out this SJW drivel.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ey-shudder

No point in reading these or the 100 of other articles being made now as I can tell you the general message conveyed.

"Who cares whether or not she actually faced harassment. This brings to the light the abhorrent gender imbalance and treatment of women. Something should be done whether or not she loses."

Just like the UVA fanfiction scandal. It doesn't matter whether or not brutal gang rape occurs. Made up stories are enough to pass draconian laws to emasculate men even more.
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