[Amateur]

I'm curious about the the experiences of guys who were raised by women who were considered highly attractive in their younger days (8+ for the purpose of this discussion). We all know that attractive women live in a different reality, and their experiences and perspectives on life differ greatly from those women who are considered average looking. Their perspective on life would then have the potential to be passed on to their children, who spend the majority of their formative childhood years with their mothers.

What lessons did these guys learn about interacting with women, either indirectly or directly, from their mothers? Would they be any different from those who had mothers who were average looking?

[Tuthmosis]

Paging Samseau. I'm pretty sure he's mentioned his mother is a hottie wall-survivor in a various threads.

No disrespect, of course.

[Saweeep]

My mother was a model.

I could write a book about her insanity; however it's my sisters that have the real issues!

I'll write something more comprehensive in the morning (it's late here).

[Disco_Volante]

My mom was good looking... now shes 52, on her 3rd husband and miserable. She takes anti-depressants and is a little crazy.

She grew up in a conservative catholic family (my grandparents have been married over 50 yrs), yet my parents were only married 3 yrs before they divorced.
basically she dated around my entire childhood and is finally old enough she decided she has to stay married now.

She buys new clothes all the time but noone pays attention to her since shes, you know, old and wrinkly.

When your entire self esteem is built around how you look, well when it goes away they just dont know what to do.
Also factor in she never had social media /tinder /digital cameras to attention-whore when she was younger. So her ego, although big was never to the level it couldve been with those devices.

Imagine when millennial women get old, they are plugged into the attention-whore juice much deeper than any other generation of women. When they hit the wall, whether that's 30 or 45 I think they'll crash HARD.

Maybe I'm cynical, but seeing how my mom acts plus observing millennial women I just dont see how I could ever be married. Older women are completely disgusting.

Im torn between my catholic roots hoping for my own family one day vs the ugly reality I can't ignore.

[iknowexactly]

(02-16-2015 02:14 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

My mom was good looking... now shes 52, on her 3rd husband and miserable. She takes anti-depressants and is a little crazy.

If it's not too painful could you tell us a story of what you consider crazy? It can mean a wide, wide variety of things-- mood swings, unrealistic or odd beliefs, substance addiction...

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My late mother was wholesomely good looking but not stunning-- natural golden blond hair, blue eyes but not statuesque.

Perhaps as a result, I think she was pretty reasonable in how she dealt with my father-- never attention whored or was tasteless.

I remember once I was discussing marriage with my parents and I was telling them how I didn't think I could get someone attractive enough to keep my attention.

She argued for reasonableness, conveying something like "When you get to know someone and they smile, it can _make_ them look good." She was talking about the traditional concept of growing to love someone.

This idea of being flexible is coming in handy as I get older and the 9s of the world no longer see me as a status bump in their lives.

[Disco_Volante]

Mainly just mood swings and impulsive behavior, She doesn't' drink or have substance abuse issues. She is educated and has a good job but Ive noticed similar behavior in other middle class divorced christian women.
They aren't necessarily junkies or degenerates, just a higher class version of irrational behavior.

It's hard to adequetely measure her behavior, though because it is normal to me. Perhaps it would greatly disturb other people idk.

For me, the takeaway is women from conservative families can still act crazy and irresponsible with divorce. So the behavior of millennial women (who were never conservative to begin with) doesn't surprise me at all.

If your parents stay married and have a good relationship, you are a very lucky person. Their daughters will almost certainly throw it all away in 1 generation.

I wonder if the multiple-marriages of my parents have subconsciously made me anti-commitment in my own relationships, but millennial women are so fucked up I can't tell if Im being reasonable or not. Perhaps avoiding commitment is the only smart choice for a man under the current conditions.

[Aliblahba]

[GyopoPlayboy]

(02-16-2015 08:27 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

right...like anybody's going to upload pics of their moms

[iknowexactly]

(02-16-2015 04:06 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I wonder if the multiple-marriages of my parents have subconsciously made me anti-commitment in my own relationships, but millennial women are so fucked up I can't tell if Im being reasonable or not. Perhaps avoiding commitment is the only smart choice for a man under the current conditions.

I think there's two issues:

1) One is a chicken and egg thing with the type of relationship one's parents had, their personalities and the personality traits one inherited. For instance, if they both had hot tempers and were always fighting, does one learn by example, or inherit the affective dysregulation or both?

2) I do think the huge wealth dangled in front of women has inflated their expectations of male quality beyond what's realistic. Feminism is more a reflection of excess wealth and female ego inflation than an independent process, I believe.

That's because feminism seems to have taken root in EVERY rich country ( except Japan) and in NO very poor countries.

So the national psychosis of extreme feminism does poison hope of good relationships at this time in Anglosphere. It's kind of like growing up under Stalin except without the murder, a bizarre exaggeration and perversion of an originally well-meant philosophy.

[RougeNoir]

Mom is in her 50s and still gets complimented all the time by men and women. People think we're brother and sister even with a 23 year difference. When I was young, men would catcall everyday and my friends used to run and hug my mom when she picked me up from after school care then brag to each other with shit like they felt on her tit with their heads and other perverted non-sense.

[Aliblahba]

Oedipus complex?

[ManVsMachine]

Depends on her upbringing. If she grew up in the school of hard knocks in the 1960s-1980s, or poverty-striken, hers is a far different reality than young hotties of today who have the whole world bend over backwards for them.

[OregonToSoCal]

I know this is a little off topic but I still think relevant. My sister who's 6 years older than me was very attractive back in her teens and 20's. We lived in a small town in Oregon and my parents had a small business that we all worked in. Customers would come in and the older men would creep on her with hideous game. After they would leave she would dramatically tell my mom how creepy and gross all men were. Me being the shy and awkward kid that I was can absolutely say it was damaging to my confidence with women seeing this kind of role model day in and day out. I quickly made the association that being attracted to women and expressing an interest in them was a near capital offense and on par with being a child molester. That along with my domineering mother was a perfect recipe for a case of nice guy syndrome. It's taken me many years of hard work challenging those old limiting beliefs but the roots are still there even today.

[Fortis]

My mother was a model, so I definitely know that feel. I'll maybe write some more later.

[Aliblahba]

Chances are, if your mother is hot, she's been fucked by an rvf'er. Just stating a statistical fact. No disrespect of course.