[jariel]

Excelsior and I have made it a point to expose the private dealings of famous men who in their private lives are power simps who allow women to get over on them and leave them dusted and disgusted. These threads are overt disses to men who are celebrated for their talents, which unfortunately don't extend to their relationships with the opposite sex.

Those exposés have been chronicled in two series known as Rich and Famous Men Still Get Played and Simp of The Day.

This new series, True To The Game Players, is a celebration of famous men who are real players who play the game with women the way it's supposed to be played.

John Wall was destined for NBA stardom coming out of high school in North Carolina. He spent one year ballin' at the University of Kentucky, and then was selected #1 overall in the 2010 NBA Draft by the Washington Wizards.

Now in his fifth year as a pro, he has solidified his position as one of the league's elite point guards and the leader of a legitimate contender from the Eastern Conference. This past weekend he started in the league's All-Star Game, proof that he's one of the game's most popular players.

Over the weekend he did an interview with Hot 97 in which he talked about a variety of topics, and in the process announced to the world that he was a true-to-the-game player, one who had no interest in restricting himself to an exclusive relationship and allowing a woman to give herself false hope that she had locked down a young, rich, and famous man.

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“The lady life is great for John Wall, man,” Wall said. “I’m single. … I see it as, I’m young. I feel like if I came into the game with a girl I was in love with, it’s different. There’s been a couple ladies I liked, wanted to date. But I know I wouldn’t be faithful right now. I’ll be honest, though, I’ll be honest. I’d rather be friends and stay that way than go with a girl, lose a friend and never talk to her again. I’m not ready to be faithful, so I’ll be honest with a woman, and I don’t want to break nobody’s heart.”

He goes on to detail how easy it is for him to meet women, as they come to him -- for the D.C. guys he names his favorite clubs. He understands the public world of Twitter, Instagram, etc. but he prefers to keep his relationships low-key, unlike many famous men who attention whore on social media sites more than females do --- I see you Drake.

At the end of the day his attitude is, "If we kickin' it, we kickin' it, if not, so be it."

That's the attitude and thought process of a true to the game player.

Doesn't matter what game he's playing, John Wall is straight ballin'.

[Menace]

DC represent! I think a DC club is a different experience when you're an NBA player vs. when you're not. Just sayin. Props to him for living it like he should.

[ManVsMachine]

(02-18-2015 02:50 PM)Menace Wrote:  

DC represent! I think a DC club is a different experience when you're an NBA player vs. when you're not. Just sayin. Props to him for living it like he should.

I would say any club in the USA is a different experience as a professional athlete vs when you're not


Have a lot of respect for Wall. Most of these other players are lying to themselves, their fans, and their women in the way they hold their relationships.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

Correct mindset of an successful eligible bachelor in any field

You are clearly the prize and if women want to stay in your cipher, the onus is on them to get in where they fit in

There should be no re-working of his lifestyle to accommodate her desire for exclusivity unless of course he so desires, she has to do all of the accommodating

What makes his game worthy of praise IMO, is that he's honest about it

[Pontifex Maximus]

So bitches be hittin' the Wall?

I've heard that Carmelo and Kyrie are the smoothest players. I've met Steph Curry and Jeremy Lin, both "gentlemen", not players.

[therajraj]

(02-18-2015 03:44 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  

So bitches be hittin' the Wall?

I've heard that Carmelo and Kyrie are the smoothest players. I've met Steph Curry and Jeremy Lin, both "gentlemen", not players.

Steph Curry is married.

Thing is when you are that elite, do you want to spend your time chasing bitches or become one of the greatest athletes ever to play the game?

[dads]

(02-18-2015 03:48 PM)therajraj Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 03:44 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  

So bitches be hittin' the Wall?

I've heard that Carmelo and Kyrie are the smoothest players. I've met Steph Curry and Jeremy Lin, both "gentlemen", not players.

Steph Curry is married.

Thing is when you are that elite, do you want to spend your time chasing bitches or become one of the greatest athletes ever to play the game?

These guys aren't "chasing bitches" though. Carmelo doesn't have to go out and do a 100 approaches to meet women, and be in a club 6 days a week.

[Moma]

Go to DR or SEA and see what game is like for Carmelo and co .

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

All these hustling bitches need is for him to slip up and not pull out, then its game set match. Props if he can avoid that.

[Adam Bin Ballin]

Cool guy. Seen Derrick Rose dominate this guy ever since he got in the league.

[Excelsior]

Wall is playing the game the way every young man entering the world of major pro sports should. As a young NBA/NFL player or prospect, you're entering a world filled with levels of temptation beyond your wildest imaginations. You've spent years ogling beautiful women in Playboy, on television, music videos, instagram, etc - now you will have those women you once only dreamed of chasing you aggressively and in numbers. They'll all be dressed to the nines and running their very best game in their bid to lock you down, and some of them are every bit as talented at the mating game as you are at your own game. This is a situation that only a tiny fraction of the male populace will ever find themselves in - most only ever dream of it. Because this reality is so far removed for most men, they lack an appreciation for how challenging it can be to handle - they say things like "man, if I was that athlete, I'd just find one girl and keep it low key and loyal" or "man I'd never waste my time with these thots! I'd keep it 100 with one good woman, I'd be way more sensible than these guys!" or "Man I'd never knock up one of these chicks! These guys are insane!".

All easy things to say from a distance, but much harder to hold to in reality when you're actually in this kind of situation and these women are in hot pursuit. Many young athletes fall into this trap, wifing up women early and then becoming unfaithful husbands as soon as their pro career begins because they simply didn't grasp how strong the draw of so many beautiful, available women would be once they made it. The fact is that when faced with this reality, 95% of men will fail to resist the temptation no matter how "in love" they claim to be with their significant other, so they should not bother going into it with a girlfriend. They're just guaranteeing that someone gets hurt.

As a young male in this kind of position, the guidelines are simple: stay single through your career, stack your money, and get your girl when you're done. This will be financially better for you as well, since you'll have made your fortune before you married anyone (it'll be harder for her to touch that money in divorce than it would be if you earned it all while you were married). You'll also give yourself time to play the field and get all of that out of your system before you wife any girl up, thus increasing your chances of remaining faithful once you do decide to settle down (easier to avoid all the temptation when you've already seen all it can offer).

John Wall is playing the game very well. He just signed a $50 million deal and is only 24. He'll be only 27/28 when that deal runs out (nevermind all the endorsement money). When all is said and done, he will probably end his career about 10 years from now having pulled in well over $100 million. He'll still be young by male standards and, if he invests WISELY, he'll be wealthy too. At that point he can calm down, and go look around for a pretty girl around a decade his junior (or more - say 22-26 or so) to start a family with, and wife her up when he's 34-37.

That's the way to be. Leave these chicks alone until ball is done.

Women have no problem playing the game like this during their prime years (many of the girls Wall is probably hooking up with now are doing just this - putting off good guys while they spend the next few years trying to lock down men like Wall), so I see no reason for Wall and others like him not to take a cue.

[Moma]

Excelsior, I have a question.

Don't you think the wifeying up lizards is a business move by the athletes? What you say makes perfect sense and I wondered why so many NBA athletes (I watch NBA more than any other American sport) fall into the same type of trap.

Here is my theory. I think that America looks more favourably on a family man than a single man out playing the field. A single sexualised man is a nightmare to America but a man with a wife is domesticated and viewed as someone with something to lose therefore someone the public can relate to.

It's my theory that endorsements and comfort level with establishments will improve if they see these athletes with a significant other than declared single. Bottom line: More dollars for the family man's pocket.

I think I did the maths somewhere else but here is how it works:

Let's say John Wall as a single male, commands about 50 mill in NBA salary. Then he gets another 20 mill from endorsements. That's 70 mill total.

Let's say, he's missed out on other bonuses (outside the NBA) because they are doing a probability count and equate unmarried athletes as loose cannons more likely to fall to the vices out there for a single man.
Maybe his agent cannot negotiate a higher deal count for interested teams who fears that he may not fulfil on his duties due to these vices.
So instead of perhaps landing a 75 mill deal for the same time frame, he can only land 50 mill.
Now external establishments looking to monetize his NBA brand and popularity are reluctant to invest in him because he's not a 'family man' (I'm just throwing some numbers here for example).

So where he could have gotten maybe 75 mill total in endorsements, he only can get offers for 20 mill.

So if you add the 75 mill in endorsements plus the 75 mill from the team contract, you get a sum total of 150 mill.

Now, with this marriage/family man view, he has a potential to lose up to 75 mill in divorce. If you do the math, even if he loses, he's still ahead 5 mill as opposed to if he went on the single route. Being a divorced man carries less stigma than being a single man playing the field especially a highly sexualised athlete with hood foundations.

Those are just very basic numbers that I threw out there but there are very likely additional perks being a family man. Perhaps insights into business or knowledge to investments that people may feel a single man would not have the focus nor responsibility to be privy to.

We sometimes look at the raw numbers but they are hidden benefits or deficits depending on the image one decides to portray in society. Even with all the PC shyt, pro homo laws etc, America is still a heterosexual Christian country with those values and a person who fits within those parameters is viewed as part of the team. This means a married man is viewed as more trusting and believable than a single man (no matter how good his stats are in his relative career).
Rumours could spread. Why is he single? Is he gay? Is he bisexual? Does he partake in immoral orgies of both genders when he's not racking up triple doubles? Does he spread diseases? Ugh, I don't want to use the products he endorses, I heard he is/does <insert stupid rumour>.

This whole perception thing is in effect in the corporate workplace so my speculation is that it also carries over to athletics even though they have made allowances for creative expressions such as tattoos everywhere etc, natty afros, cornrows. You can even look at the dress code of the league for an example.

Food for thought.

[Paracelsus]

(02-19-2015 02:03 AM)Excelsior Wrote:  

That's the way to be. Leave these chicks alone until ball is done.

Only play with one set of balls at a time?

[jariel]

Moma, I wouldn't say their relationships are business moves because most of these athletes are just athletes. There's a handful of guys in the league who can get any real endorsements at all -- i.e. non-apparel endorsements -- and from that group, a select few can transcend their game and become household names who move a variety of products.

I actually think a lot of these guys get married because it allows them to focus on their craft better. Furthermore, most of them marry chicks they dated in high school and/or college, not club rats and all-star weekend hoochies.

[Nascimento]

Wall is only 24? Damn.

Nevermind the money he already has going. With his current mindset on women as long as he keeps playing his cards right, hes going to be having the time of his life consistently for the next 20 years.

Killing it with women on the side while he focuses on his career. Try and win some NBA accolades. Once his playing career is done he can keep working in the basketball field or do whatever else with his time, although he wont ever have to work because he will be set financially.

Go through women by the dozens over the years. Eventually he can be more serious with individual ones if he chooses to. 10 or more years from now.

I saw him once live back when the Wizards were shit. Best player be far on the court despite his teams loss. This was almost 2 years ago.

[Redwood]

Worthy of this honorable song (thanks in part to the inspirational thread title):

[ChazKGB]

On other side of the equation look at RGIII - had his fiancée out of college. Looked like champ, but now he has been betamaxed. Maybe won't start next season.

His wife, she has experienced decreased status due to her husband's decreased game skill. She may be smart to divorce him now, and take half, then live on her own terms, rather than stay on his sinking ship. Yeah, divorce rape sucks, but it is not disappearing any time soon.

[Giovonny]

I give a lot credit to John Wall's coaches, mentors, handlers, etc. Especially, his head coach Randy Whitman and Randy's staff.

And, of course, to John himself.

He is one of the most improved players in the league.

He has been well schooled on both girls and hoops.

5 years ago, he was a bad passer and a bad floor leader. He did not know to play the point guard position. He lacked some basic fundamentals.

Jeremy Lin actually forged his reputation by out playing John Wall in a few head to head match ups.

Today, John Wall is in a league above Lin.

Game and basketball are about getting better everyday, every week, and every month.

Wall has done that. On the court and off.

Word in the NBA is that coach Randy Whitman has done a great job at making John Wall a superstar.

No doubt, the older guys around John have done a great job at schooling him on basketball and girls.

(02-19-2015 03:00 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Don't you think the wifeying up lizards is a business move by the athletes?

Rarely.

Usually, its because they got gamed by a woman.

NBA players are exactly like you and I. They crave romance, intimacy, connection, closeness, companionship, etc.

The major difference is this.. They have way more options! They have large amounts beautiful, charming women trying to win their affections. They get spoiled and pampered by these women.

Compared to us, it's easier for an NBA player to fall in love because they have so many beautiful options.

We have to hunt for women.

They get hunted by women.

[Excelsior]

(02-19-2015 03:00 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Excelsior, I have a question.

Don't you think the wifeying up lizards is a business move by the athletes?

No. Marriage is not a big factor in the marketability of pro athletes in the USA. This become very, VERY clear when you look at the marital status of many of the most marketable NFL players.

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What you say makes perfect sense and I wondered why so many NBA athletes (I watch NBA more than any other American sport) fall into the same type of trap.

1. They fall for a girl when they're young (before they get to the pros) and try to "do the right thing" with her.
2. They get outgamed by the women pursuing them, many of whom are very good at tempting men and getting them to fall in love.

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Here is my theory. I think that America looks more favourably on a family man than a single man out playing the field. A single sexualised man is a nightmare to America but a man with a wife is domesticated and viewed as someone with something to lose therefore someone the public can relate to.

It's my theory that endorsements and comfort level with establishments will improve if they see these athletes with a significant other than declared single. Bottom line: More dollars for the family man's pocket.

This was accurate for nearly all men in the USA (regardless of profession) 60-70 years ago. It is not applicable to men in general today, including those in modern professional sports. Changes in society's attitude toward traditional marriage relationships and their related decrease in prevalence have eroded just about all of the advantages family men once had in professional American society. There remain very few fields (ex: politics) in the USA in which being a family man is still a plus. Pro sports is not one of those fields.

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Let's say, he's missed out on other bonuses (outside the NBA) because they are doing a probability count and equate unmarried athletes as loose cannons more likely to fall to the vices out there for a single man.

This wouldn't happen.

When it comes to gaining endorsements, sponsors are looking for notoriety. An athlete's notoriety is not tied to his family life. In fact, it is quite common for most fans/consumers who see/hear about the athlete never to know who he is married to or dating. You have to dig for that kind of info, it isn't really put out there that openly. For example, very little has been said about Peyton Manning's wife and children over the years and they're not seen in the media often; the same goes for other NFL stars like Ray Lewis, Richard Sherman, Joe Flacco, Phillip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, Andrew Luck, and many others. All of these men have spouses/LTRs and/or children (7+ in the case of Rivers), but that information isn't front and center because it just isn't that important to the consumer. Fans and consumers aren't really thinking that much about it when they evaluate their support of an athlete, and so sponsors are not that likely to think much about it either.

Now, don't get me wrong: a significant other can play a positive role in a given athlete's marketability, even if you're unmarried. If you're a good but relatively unknown NFL wide receiver and you suddenly show up with a Kardashian on your arm for a date, your profile will increase and that may enhance your own marketability a little bit (more people will know your name). If you're a young quarterback and your girlfriend is super hot and gets featured on a major blog or something (ex: Blake Bortles, Ryan Tannehill), you might get a few more followers/mentions on twitter or something (this is a very marginal and usually short-term benefit, but it is something - a few more people might remember your name specifically because they want to fap to your woman).

At the end of the day, though, these benefits are sort of marginal and the lack of a wife/girlfriend/significant other simply doesn't hurt. Americans no longer prioritize traditional marriage enough to promote those who still partake in it and privilege them professionally.

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Maybe his agent cannot negotiate a higher deal count for interested teams who fears that he may not fulfil on his duties due to these vices.

A team is not going to make that calculation. When determining how risky a player is and how many potentially fatal "vices" he may possess, teams do not use marriage as a primary or even secondary proxy. They speak to former coaches, teachers, friends/family and associates, and then they examine who you hang out with and look to see if you've had any criminal record. An unmarried player who gets glowing references from all of the coaches/teachers/friends/etc he's been around in the past and stays clean off the field is in as good a position as the married one who has done the same.
I have seen scouts take marriage as evidence of decent "intangibles", but it doesn't weigh very heavily. It certainly would have no real impact on a given player's stock to any team or the contract he'd likely receive. Your play on the field/pitch/court determines your compensation, and that number will only go down if you show yourself to be a real fuck-up (ex: long criminal record, drug use, gang affiliation, excessive brushes with the law, etc).

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Being a divorced man carries less stigma than being a single man playing the field especially a highly sexualised athlete with hood foundations.

No, it doesn't.

Exhibit A: Derek Jeter
Exhibit B: Tom Brady (pre-2009)
Exhibit C: Ray Lewis
Exhibit D: Adrian Peterson
Exhibit E: Dwight Howard

The examples are endless. Chris Paul is very much the poster child for the traditional married family man (he wears it on his sleeve), but he is no more marketable or well compensated than the likes of Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, or Blake Griffin (all unmarried men with children out of wedlock, at least 6 and possible up to eight in Howard's case), among others. Traditional marriage no longer affords athletes the economic privilege it once may have done.

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Those are just very basic numbers that I threw out there but there are very likely additional perks being a family man. Perhaps insights into business or knowledge to investments that people may feel a single man would not have the focus nor responsibility to be privy to.

Not really, no. Your marital status has little to do with your financial savvy as a young man, and most Americans can see that.

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We sometimes look at the raw numbers but they are hidden benefits or deficits depending on the image one decides to portray in society. Even with all the PC shyt, pro homo laws etc, America is still a heterosexual Christian country with those values and a person who fits within those parameters is viewed as part of the team. This means a married man is viewed as more trusting and believable than a single man (no matter how good his stats are in his relative career).

Not the case.

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Rumours could spread. Why is he single? Is he gay? Is he bisexual? Does he partake in immoral orgies of both genders when he's not racking up triple doubles? Does he spread diseases? Ugh, I don't want to use the products he endorses, I heard he is/does <insert stupid rumour>.

Most people just assume you're doing what most young pro athletes do: playing the field and running through legions of fine thots. This isn't really unexpected these days from athletes, nor is it particularly damaging to their reputation.

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This whole perception thing is in effect in the corporate workplace so my speculation is that it also carries over to athletics even though they have made allowances for creative expressions such as tattoos everywhere etc, natty afros, cornrows. You can even look at the dress code of the league for an example.

Food for thought.

Even in the corporate workplace, the perception of the superior traditional family man has been badly eroded. Gay and single men are getting compensated very well in law and business - you don't need a wife to get the promotion at the firm anymore.

[007]

He's saying all of the right words and making the right noises.

But why do I get the feeling he's going to simp out like the other 'ballers' eventually.

Just one of those feelings.

[aSimpNamedBrokeback]

(02-19-2015 07:00 PM)007 Wrote:  

He's saying all of the right words and making the right noises.

But why do I get the feeling he's going to simp out like the other 'ballers' eventually.

Just one of those feelings.

Because the raw vagina is faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to top tall men in a single bound. Vagina is made for this......it will win.

[Chewbacon]

(02-18-2015 03:48 PM)therajraj Wrote:  

(02-18-2015 03:44 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  

So bitches be hittin' the Wall?

I've heard that Carmelo and Kyrie are the smoothest players. I've met Steph Curry and Jeremy Lin, both "gentlemen", not players.

Steph Curry is married.

Thing is when you are that elite, do you want to spend your time chasing bitches or become one of the greatest athletes ever to play the game?

J-Lin is all about that jesus ish. I wouldn't be (too) surprised if the dude is still a virgin.

Shit man, the one asian american we got in this league and he's vanilla as fuck. Should have learned some game from JR Smith back when he was a knick.

[Moma]

Which ballers made it through 'true to the game' in the last 10 years?

[dads]

That was a great post by Excelsior, and I apologize for responding in something so brief. However, I just wanted to point out that I don't think relationship status has ANY effect on athletes. As someone who really follows sports (e.g. Kirk Goldsberry and Zach Lowe are some of my favorite writers) I do not know the relationship status of a majority of athletes. I think the ranking of "people who know the most about athletes" goes:

1. Pop Culture/Celebrity Bloggers
2. Big Time Sports Fans of Specific Times
3. General Audience

Hence, I don't think (on average) fans really know that Kevin Durant was engaged for a minute last year, or that Earl Thomas has a girlfriend and a child, or that Patrick Willis has a girlfriend (all information found in the last 10 minutes doing some research). I think the guys that market sports understand this, and especially nowadays most guys are VERY careful with who they are hooking up with. Musicians and whatnot have the freedom to be seen around with sluts, instgram hoes and getting rejected by up and coming pornstarlets (see: Mia Khalifa and Drake). Athletes don't have that, and they're careful about it, and surprisingly, most mainstream reporters seem to have a level of respect for that.