Quote: (02-11-2015 02:27 AM)Pride male Wrote:
Suicide is omega, unless it is wartime and one is trying to avoid capture.
Perhaps, but from society's standpoint, it's a less costly kind of omega behavior than, say, collecting a
monthly tugboat for several decades to sit in a basement masturbating, smoking pot, and playing video games.
Yet society finds suicide much more disturbing. I think the reason is that when you live an omega life, people might think, "Maybe he just prefers to live that way," but if you kill yourself, then it's obvious you weren't happy. Society would rather men die with a whimper than with a bang. A high suicide rate is a sign that there's an immediate crisis, and it prompts an investigation into the causes.
Destructive violence is what grabs people's attention. A suicide or a mass shooting hits the news (or at least gets talked about), and can become the catalyst of an activist movement and legislation; but a woman's eggs quietly dying goes unnoticed, even though the effect on the population figures may be the same. Society itself has gone omega (in the sense that it is unwilling to do what's necessary to keep its fertility rate above the replacement rate), but as long as people don't do anything that would make it obvious how discontented or unfulfilled they feel, it's easier for the politicians and the media to deny that any problem exists, or that any cultural or political change is needed.
The general public probably doesn't think much about how widespread the taking of antidepressants is, or how women's rates of happiness have declined in recent decades, because that's not stuff people discuss on social media. They're too busy trying to
depict their lives as more awesome than anyone else's. In the manosphere, we can't admit some real problems that we face, because that wouldn't sound very baller. So we cover it up and pretend that the individual is able to triumph on his own, and that
IRL social isolation isn't a major limitation on what we as a community can accomplish.
One thing that can be said in suicide's defense is that it is, at least, a decisive action that the individual can take. A lot of people will go to a therapist for years and talk and cry about their problems. Suicide actually does something to end the pain and save any resources that are being wasted. When the colon cancer gets to a point where you're
vomiting feces uncontrollably while doctors look on helplessly, I don't really blame a person for wanting to cut their losses. Sometimes it's a relief for the family too when the suffering is finally over.
But what about those aren't terminally ill? Don't they matter? Maybe, maybe not. Society is like a ship such as the Titanic. While there's still the possibility that the ship could complete its voyage safely, then the loss of any one of its crew matters, especially if he would be in a position to prevent it from hitting an iceberg. But if the ship is going to hit an iceberg regardless of anything he does, and go down with loss of all aboard, then his falling overboard a few days earlier really doesn't make that much of a difference.
That was the overall message of the film
Titanic: Even if you have good enough game to bang the hot rich girl, and think that you're king of the world, if society is dysfunctional, you still end up drowning at the end and going down to the same icy grave as everyone else.
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