[Brazilianguy]

Not many of you know, but feminism has become part of the prevailing ideology here in Brazil.
Knowing that the anglosphere is at a more advanced stage of cultural decay, I seek guidance from my fellow forum members.

I find myself many times in social circumstances in which feminism is being discussed, either directly or indirectly. Examples include family gatherings where a facebook obsessed, flabby female relative may be moaning about the "lack of good men", nights out with friends when girls proudly proclaim their independence (while being on daddy´s dime) and, of course, dates with women who demand nice guy treatment yet remain oblivious to how insulting their lack of manners, consideration and femininity may be.

Less than a decade ago, it was easy to pass those shit tests. You would simply give a straight answer and set the women back in their places, and you´d get their respect and deferment, all the while guaranteeing the bang.
You´d tell the flabby cousin to hit the gym and act feminine if she wanted a boyfriend; to the clueless girl you were the dating you´d make it clear that she would need to clean up her act and start respecting you, otherwise you´d leave her alone with her smart phone friends.

Speaking from experience, I can honestly say this kind of thing doesn´t work anymore, since any direct answer is immediately labelled as sexism and misoginy and will result either in being dumped or ostracized, depending on circumstances.
This begs the question: how to pass those shit tests nowadays without being socially punished?

[tallandblonde]

I think you have to look at what you're arguing and if there's even a point in engaging people like your fat cousin on these issues. Do you stand to gain anything from this? That should be the first question when you get in a debate like this.

In many cases you might find that you're just wasting your breath when arguing with feminists. I'm not saying agree with people like your fat ass cousin and tell them how it's ok to be a fat piece of shit, but it's like arguing about politics. People will yell, scream, shout, debate about what they believe and get angry about it, but largely people won't change their minds at all.

Now with girls you're courting it's a little different. You can't let them get away with that BS but again I would try to be smart about it. Let it be known what your thoughts are, but don't be punitive about it.

An example I can think of is the gender pay gap myth in America. If a girl complains about it, I tell them that the reason women make less money is because they choose fields that pay less, have less experience, and work less hours per week. Let reason be your ally and refuse to make any type of convo or debate on the matter emotional.

[jariel]

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

This begs the question: how to pass those shit tests nowadays without being socially punished?

Your question raises the question of why do you feel the need to have to pass bitches' shit tests?

I rather ignore women when they're talking about things that I don't really care to engage. The whole idea is to sucker you into some sort of meaningless argument or discussion, and you just have to be above that.

Let them engage themselves on that level.

Let me say, I really hate this concept of "shit test". I'm not saying it's an imagined thing, I just think it's silly, from the standpoint, that you, the Man, has to jump through hoops and dodge obstacles before she deems you worthy, fuck outta here with that.

[kaotic]

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Not many of you know, but feminism has become part of the prevailing ideology here in Brazil.
Knowing that the anglosphere is at a more advanced stage of cultural decay, I seek guidance from my fellow forum members.

I find myself many times in social circumstances in which feminism is being discussed, either directly or indirectly. Examples include family gatherings where a facebook obsessed, flabby female relative may be moaning about the "lack of good men", nights out with friends when girls proudly proclaim their independence (while being on daddy´s dime) and, of course, dates with women who demand nice guy treatment yet remain oblivious to how insulting their lack of manners, consideration and femininity may be.

Let the flabby female rot, avoid the spoiled women, filter out the women who have horrible manners, eject from dates early.

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Less than a decade ago, it was easy to pass those shit tests. You would simply give a straight answer and set the women back in their places, and you´d get their respect and deferment, all the while guaranteeing the bang.
You´d tell the flabby cousin to hit the gym and act feminine if she wanted a boyfriend; to the clueless girl you were the dating you´d make it clear that she would need to clean up her act and start respecting you, otherwise you´d leave her alone with her smart phone friends.

You can still tell them to hit the gym, in an indirect way, encouraging them. You still can tell a woman to clean up her act OR just eject from the relationship if she's being shitty.

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Speaking from experience, I can honestly say this kind of thing doesn´t work anymore, since any direct answer is immediately labelled as sexism and misoginy and will result either in being dumped or ostracized, depending on circumstances.
This begs the question: how to pass those shit tests nowadays without being socially punished?

So what if you're dumped or called a misogynist ? It obviously means they were toxic to your own POV's and they did you a favor.

Why do you need to pass their shit tests ? Why aren't you flipping the script and having them qualify themselves to you ?

It's all about controlling frame and how you frame the questions. You can't let a woman take control and start lighting you up with shit tests.

I've also noticed if you dropped red pilled responses with a joke and a smirk they go over pretty damn well.

Just treat what they say about shit like that as a joke, because when your dick is in their mouth, they wont have much to say.

[vinman]

Her- You're a misogynist!
Me- Yeah..... So.....?

Her- That's sexist!
Me- Yeah..... So.....?

[Michael P]

What you are facing is a situation where the individuals (women) do not function by logic, but by what the majority thinks (conformity to the group).

Nowadays the majority is of the opinion that lack of femininity, aggressiveness and emotional vomit is acceptable.

There are two possibilities:
1) You are dominant enough (IN THAT SOCIAL CONTEXT, i.e. you could be 6'4”, 240 lbs of muscle and multi-millionaire. Next to Bieber most 17 year old girls will not blink) and, AND , AND they are not to far gone

2) We manage to pull 30-40% of the males on the right path (aware to some degree of red/blue pill) and this is enough. Because in any group there are introverts, they will not speak, so 30-40%, are actually a majority, and if the majority of men say something than that is actually Society. And women will not want to PISS-OFF society. They will still nag, but that is a different league.

+The occasional sociopath to whom You cannot do anything.

You should not try to make her shut up. You are focusing on the outcome.

Just say WHAT you want to say. What you think is ethical and rational. If it works: GOOD!
If it does not, still you did some progress, because there might be 3 other people that agree but don't have the courage to speak up. And they think they are alone in a room, but 4 out of 5 people might hate that fat feminist, but no one says it.

We must always express AT LEAST disagreement so that we get closer to the critical mass.

[WestIndianArchie]

There's a fundamental game lesson being ignored in this post, anyone want to tell the class what it is?

.....

Frame.

You start engaging with this stuff on their level, they are winning the frame battle.
They are controlling the language, the frame of the debate.

Shit tests are specific to the beginning of a possible sexual encounter, but frame battles are constant and everywhere.

At the workplace or in school, you don't let them define the terms.
A simple, "What do you mean by that"
followed by "What do you mean by that exactly",
which can be followed with "put it in to context"

That's enough to derail anything corporate.

Outside of that, it's better to move away from academic/rational/logical arguments and lean towards getting at the emotional undercurrent - especially with women. (but works with other groups, scared conservatives clutching their guns, crazy hippies holding on to their vegan bbq kits)

Going to the emotion is a good move in person, it's entirely foolish online.

WIA

[Only One Man]

I know lots of you on here say it is a waste of time to engage feminists/SJWs/fatties in debates and I suppose it technically is, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Not saying to bring it up or anything, but if you're sitting around with a group of people and one of those topics comes up, why not have some fun with it? Just make sure your frame remains strong and don't ever get defensive or angry. Simply logic-bomb them and friendly- mock their viewpoints with a smirk on your face the whole time.

I am a proud vocal sexist and when it gets brought up girls typically call me a dick or a sexist while smiling or laughing and I always own it. Rarely have I had psycho feminist anger directed towards me, although I typically deal with mostly normal girls so my experience might not be the norm.

[WestIndianArchie]

So you exchange your long term group social standing for short term personal pleasure?

In essence you like to troll.

But by trolling rather than running game on the group, you don't get access to 1st and 2nd degree of separation pussy, nor do you increase you own ability to guide and lead a group.

To each his own.

WIA

(01-31-2015 03:17 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

I know lots of you on here say it is a waste of time to engage feminists/SJWs/fatties in debates and I suppose it technically is, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Not saying to bring it up or anything, but if you're sitting around with a group of people and one of those topics comes up, why not have some fun with it? Just make sure your frame remains strong and don't ever get defensive or angry. Simply logic-bomb them and friendly- mock their viewpoints with a smirk on your face the whole time.

I am a proud vocal sexist and when it gets brought up girls typically call me a dick or a sexist while smiling or laughing and I always own it. Rarely have I had psycho feminist anger directed towards me, although I typically deal with mostly normal girls so my experience might not be the norm.

[Only One Man]

(01-31-2015 04:00 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

So you exchange your long term group social standing for short term personal pleasure?

In essence you like to troll.

But by trolling rather than running game on the group, you don't get access to 1st and 2nd degree of separation pussy, nor do you increase you own ability to guide and lead a group.

To each his own.

WIA

(01-31-2015 03:17 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

I know lots of you on here say it is a waste of time to engage feminists/SJWs/fatties in debates and I suppose it technically is, but I thoroughly enjoy it. Not saying to bring it up or anything, but if you're sitting around with a group of people and one of those topics comes up, why not have some fun with it? Just make sure your frame remains strong and don't ever get defensive or angry. Simply logic-bomb them and friendly- mock their viewpoints with a smirk on your face the whole time.

I am a proud vocal sexist and when it gets brought up girls typically call me a dick or a sexist while smiling or laughing and I always own it. Rarely have I had psycho feminist anger directed towards me, although I typically deal with mostly normal girls so my experience might not be the norm.

I see your point but I disagree that owning your un-PC viewpoints harms long term social standing. In fact just about every single girl I have ever had these kinds of conversations with has agreed that if a guy isn't at least a little bit sexist, he's a pussy and they wouldn't want to fuck him. I think a good percentage of people find it refreshing to hear these kinds of things even if they don't agree with them because people have always been fascinated with the "taboo"

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-31-2015 04:13 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

I see your point but I disagree that owning your un-PC viewpoints harms long term social standing. In fact just about every single girl I have ever had these kinds of conversations with has agreed that if a guy isn't at least a little bit sexist, he's a pussy and they wouldn't want to fuck him.

Did every single one of these girls fuck you?

WIA

[Mister X]

You should call people on their bullshit as you see fit. Obviously if you do it enough you develop a reputation for being difficult and whiney and whatever. But in the right moments, you gotta let people know how you feel, or explain to them that what they're doing is disrespectful/fucked up.

I think guys need to stop worrying about pussy. Seems the biggest argument against calling women out is "that's not gonna get you the bang." Who gives a fuck? Call girl A out on her bullshit and then go bang girl B.

[Sonsowey]

As experienced Anglosphere people know, it's best to just stop hanging out with these people. Your comments aren't going to change their behavior, and being with them just upsets you, so let them be.

There are people out there who do not live in a fantasy, find them and hang out with them.

[Only One Man]

(01-31-2015 06:30 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-31-2015 04:13 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  

I see your point but I disagree that owning your un-PC viewpoints harms long term social standing. In fact just about every single girl I have ever had these kinds of conversations with has agreed that if a guy isn't at least a little bit sexist, he's a pussy and they wouldn't want to fuck him.

Did every single one of these girls fuck you?

WIA

No because these girls include platonic friends, girlfriends of friends, cousins, and other girls I have/had no interest in banging. I don't try to have sex with every single female that I talk to.

[Brosemite]

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Not many of you know, but feminism has become part of the prevailing ideology here in Brazil.
Knowing that the anglosphere is at a more advanced stage of cultural decay, I seek guidance from my fellow forum members.

I find myself many times in social circumstances in which feminism is being discussed, either directly or indirectly. Examples include family gatherings where a facebook obsessed, flabby female relative may be moaning about the "lack of good men", nights out with friends when girls proudly proclaim their independence (while being on daddy´s dime) and, of course, dates with women who demand nice guy treatment yet remain oblivious to how insulting their lack of manners, consideration and femininity may be.

I'm jealous of those that have had good experiences in Rio de Janeiro if we're referring to cities specifically. Being close to this feminine breed in overpriced Rio & their peers has really turned me off big time.

Whereas most of the female transplants that move to Sao Paulo for professional reasons really try to "up" their appearances & looks, I've been acquainted with some good looking chicks that just cut their hair short or straight up gotten fat after the move to Rio. They'll post shit on their facebook about how "appearances aren't that important while character is" while at the same time yearning about how it's hard to find quality good looking men blah blah. This while shaming men who naturally gravitate towards women based on preferred appearances.

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  

Less than a decade ago, it was easy to pass those shit tests. You would simply give a straight answer and set the women back in their places, and you´d get their respect and deferment, all the while guaranteeing the bang.
You´d tell the flabby cousin to hit the gym and act feminine if she wanted a boyfriend; to the clueless girl you were the dating you´d make it clear that she would need to clean up her act and start respecting you, otherwise you´d leave her alone with her smart phone friends.

Speaking from experience, I can honestly say this kind of thing doesn´t work anymore, since any direct answer is immediately labelled as sexism and misoginy and will result either in being dumped or ostracized, depending on circumstances.
This begs the question: how to pass those shit tests nowadays without being socially punished?

Based on my experiences with Brazilian women...negging & putting them back in their place is NOT going to work unless:

1) They are very physically attracted to you
or
2) You've already fucked them.

Once either of those are in the bag, then you can start negging them. On the contrary negging American chicks & then proceeding to bang them = very feasible.

It's definitely one of issues where some Brazilians will criticize their cities/country but if a perceived outsider does it...then it isn't ok.

I once criticized Rio to a Sao Paulo girl who likes vacationing there. I could tell she was offended & even defended the people there saying their accents are "sexy." Funny enough, she ONLY dates guys in Sao Paulo that meet these preferred prerequisites:

1) 25-33 or whatever in her age range (good bankroll to go with that)
2) Possess fashionable looks
3) Speak Portuguese of course
4) Are a part of somebody's social scene close to hers
5) Stem from a semi-reputable Brazilian family

Though she finds that carioca accent "sexy," I seriously doubt one of those Rio guys is going to be breathing the same air she does unless it's some family money dude from Leblon/Ipanema.

(01-31-2015 06:54 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

As experienced Anglosphere people know, it's best to just stop hanging out with these people. Your comments aren't going to change their behavior, and being with them just upsets you, so let them be.

There are people out there who do not live in a fantasy, find them and hang out with them.

That's the best way to do it....not to mention how I roll.

With regards to Brazil, the men shaming rendition of feminism is much stronger in certain cities then they are in others. Avoid those areas & people that are full proponents of it because you aren't going to be changing their minds anytime soon!