[ballsyamog]

With my clients, when I want to change their mind.
I use " I understand where you're coming from.. and....." rather than the "but", it's very effective

[Perspicacity]

(08-31-2018 12:45 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

FUCK.

Had date yesterday. Got her back to mine and the bitch made out but refused to let me smash on the first date. She kept her damn shoes on. The pizza place was opposite my flat.

Damn it.

Oh well.

Damn shame. An in shape sister with natural hair. Mother fuck.

During the date she was complaining about lack of brothers with their shit together. 25 year old with 7 siblings, she probably put me into the potential husband type lane. Probably went into the flat to scope intel. Its been a while since i smashed an athletically- built black chick.

That being said, Black women, in-shape black women, just feels natural. Also, in public, the paranoia i feel when I'm out with Asian/White is completely absent when out with black chicks.

FUCK.

TDK

How were you raised?

I don't mean what are your hopes and dreams and values and all that trivial shit.

I mean on the most important question of all:

Were you brought up to take your shoes off at the door?

I could be making a big deal of this, but...

The point when a girl would remove her shoes on entering, is the first opportunity you get to assert your frame in your crib and set expectations. It sets the tone for EVERYTHING domestic to come.

In fact, you're not just setting a direct expectation.

You're also setting a meta-expectation — that you won't let her shit fly — especially in your crib.

But the centuries-old wisdom of Bayes' theorem and the fundamental physical principle of Conservation of Expected Frame hold:

Assertest thou not thine frame upon opportunity, then by omission bring'st thou into existence upon thyself such anti-expectation and weak'ning of frame, as be in commensuration to that by which 'twould have been bolstered by assertion.

This is situational though.

Imagine two scenarios:

Scenario B (for beta): Dude has been brought up to take his shoes off at the door. Girl prances inside cluelessly, not taking her shoes off. Guy looks at her sheepishly wondering whether to say anything, then caves and hangs his head not saying anything. Chick notices his look and his hesitation, and just from that alone she already knows this guy won't hold to his frame or principles, even in his own place. She can probably squeeze him for cash and if she ever did shack up or have kids with him, she knows she'd be calling the shots.

Scenario A: Dude does not even take his own shoes off at the door AKA is a scummy casual subhuman. Girl prances inside cluelessly, not taking her shoes off. Dude doesn't even notice, and in fact it would be weird and incongruent to his laidback vibe to say anything.

Scenario A is an exception though. In most situations, even if the guy doesn't normally have a rule about shoes at the door, he still has the opportunity to lay down the law and set precedent.

Think of it from her perspective.

Unless she knows for a fact that you're chill about Shoes in the House, then when you don't call her out she has to assume it's because you're weak.

Look, it's literally game theory

Does the dude give a crap about Shoes in the House? Does the chick try it on? Does he check her if she does?

I'll leave it to you to draw up the tingle matrix depending on the plays.

If she concludes the guy's weak, I can't even blame her.

When I see a bachelor who doesn't take his shoes off in his pad, I assume he's either a weak-willed, indisciplined Marshmallow Man, or too busy inventing the cure for cancer. (Hint: He's never inventing the cure for cancer.)

When I see guys who are All About Taking Shoes Off at the Door, then fail to do so when chicks enter their place, I literally think "This guy is weak and can't keep his women in check. He cannot be trusted in a combat situation." That's when you know you're no longer looking at a man — you're looking at soy.

I'm definitely getting carried away here but:

Try as I might, I can't imagine myself shacking up with a chick who didn't take her shoes off (or at least offer to do so) when she entered my place.

Maybe one day I'll change my tune and be more open-minded.

But right now, just as I can't imagine settling down with a super-extraverted, chatty social butterfly, I can't imagine living out my days with a shoes-on chick.

It's like ya boy Chazz Palminteri said on this very subject, in one of the greatest films of all time:

A Bronx Tale (1993) Wrote:


Calogero: I met this girl.

Sonny: Yeah, so?

Calogero: I like her and everything but ... she, she ain't white, she's from Webster Avenue.

Sonny: She's a colored girl.

Calogero: Yeah.

Sonny: You like this girl?

Calogero: I do, but I don't want to hear all the WRT's. I don't want to hear...

Sonny: Dude, we're literally in the BMGO thread, WTF are you actually talking about?

Fuck those kids.

Half of them gonna end up beta bux or incel anyway.

Nobody cares.

The only thing that matters is if it's good for you, and how you feel about each other.

Let me tell you something. When you're alone, late at night in bed ... just you and her under the covers ... that's all that matters, see...

You got to do what your heart tells you to do.

Let me tell you something right now.

You're only allowed three great women in your lifetime.

They come along like a great fighter, once every ten years.

Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis.

Sometimes you get 'em all at once.

Me? I had my three when I was sixteen, that happens, what're you gonna do?

Maybe she's your first great one.

Calogero: Thanks a lot, Sonny. I think I'm gonna go for it.

Sonny: Is she a good kid this girl?

Calogero: I don't know I just met her yesterday, but I hopes scho.

Sonny: Here's what you do. Tomorrow you borrow my crib.

Calogero: You don't lend anybody your crib.

Sonny: It's all right I'm gonna lend you my crib. I want you to make a good impression.

You borrow my crib, and then you give her the test.

Calogero: What, the compliance test?

Sonny: Compliance? Mystery's a fucking psycho, what do you listen to this kid for?

You give her my test, you give her the Shoes Off at the Door Test.

Calogero: What's the Shoes Off at the Door Test?

Sonny: alright listen u cunt.

You pull up right at the crib, right? Before you get in the door, you both have shoes on. You've gone out the crib, and you're pulling her over. You bring her over to the crib.

You take out the key, put it in the lock, open the door for her.

Then you let her get in. Then you close the door for her. You walk behind her and look from the rear.

If she doesn't reach down and take off her shoes for you...

... so she doesn't tread goodness knows what nastiness inside ...

YOU NEXT THAT BITCH

Calogero: Just like that?

Sonny: Listen to me, kid. If she doesn't reach down, take those shoes off for you, so your crib stays fresh...

That means she's a selfish broad and all you're seeing is the tip of the iceberg.

You dump her, you dump her fast.

Calogero: Hey, what about all the beautiful things you just told me? ... About doing what my heart tells me to do ... that's all that matters ... find someone pulling at my sails ... I mean hey, this could be one of the great ones.

Sonny: Bullshit, kid. The Shoes Off at the Door Test, that's what counts.

You dump her, and you dump her fast.

Calogero: Dump her?

Sonny: yes dump her u twat how many times must i repeat myself this bitch deaf??

Sugar Ray Robinson - Beautiful Brutality

#TeamNoShoes

If you ain't testing yo bitch, she testing you.

I rewatched Ringu recently — the female lead even took her shoes off entering an empty house, half-panicked, where somebody just died. (I pointed this out to my friend, and he hadn't even noticed her do it! — no prizes for guessing if he makes chicks take shoes off at the door and controls frame...)

It's never too late to start telling bitches to take their shoes off at the door, TDK. Make tomorrow the first day of the rest of your life.

And if you don't take your own shoes off in your pad, then by God man go monk mode until you have that area of your life handled.

- The P Manifesto

...

Anyway what actually I came here to say was:

we all gon pretend like Archie didn't cite marginal reovlution three pages back in a post about selfies???

[Perspicacity]

Here's the thing, TDK.

Exclusively being serious about a particular subset of women makes it easier to pedestalise that subset.

Reducing your dating pool it necessarily decreases the activation energy for pedestalisation.

It increases the temptation.

You had already built up this girl so much before the date having posted eagerly about her here, that you had already lost.

You gotta remember you're the prize, King.

As a man.

As a black man.

That's just on the general level.

Here's the specific:

Black girls in these fair Isles are absolute trash.

Especially in South-East London.

Usually both in looks and personality.

Maybe some of the African ones or island-born Carribean ones are okay, but if so good luck finding them — again, especially in SE London.

Based on my recollection of you mentioning your stats, education, profession, etc. ...

On paper, there's basically zero black British girls who measure up to you.

Because you've limited your attention to a subset where girls of your preferred physical type are a rarity, you have more scarcity mindset when you finally find one. All the things you have going for you fly out the window, and all you can think about is how awesome her body is (i.e. OMG she's not a fat hoodrat must be wife material), forgetting how much more amazing you are.

I'd put down money that chick was a dumb broad with little feminine instincts or skill; had a shit job (if any at all), and was uglier than you without her hour of make-up and couple grand per year dropped on hair and beauty treatments. (Might have had implants too.) Even granting her all that, she'll probably be inferior to you on looks (the only thing she has going) in a couple years.

You don't have to hate her or womankind for it, but you should know your value and keep things in perspective.

For some reason you're not fulfilling your pootie tang potential:

Your industry is stressful. Likely you don't have enough downtime to exercise, sleep, properly decompress, or socialise.

You're traumatised from the stuff that went down that you mentioned a while back and have some degree of PTSD.

You're convinced that non-blacks are heavily discriminating against you all the time.

All these things feed into and exacerbate each other.

Other than (hopefully) your work and (possibly but probably not edifying) girls, are you doing anything that's building yourself and your skills up, and adding meaning to your life?

Medium-term (six months) maybe you need to take a break from caring about girls and fix your mind (and body if it needs it), work/life balance, social life, and hobbies. Put things in perspective, like how that chick's sub-40 BMI ain't that special.

Long-term: What're your moves if you conclude you have to leave Britain for whatever reasons? Have you got anything in the chamber?

Stories like the one posted by the homie mikado are mirrors: the guys convinced the world is against them will — by virtue of that prior conviction — interpret it in such a way as to conclude it is further evidence of their belief, and having read it will be all the more confident of the belief they walked in with.

You might go to Africa or the islands thinking it'll solve your problems and find yourself even more out of place there. (Or scammed, robbed, or swindled as Archie mentioned.)

The danger with thinking you're a victim is that, whether or not you're correct, you train yourself to be helpless and to find victimhood in future situations.

Sometimes it's worth risking naïveté or gullibility in exchange for the improvement in what you put out into the world, and get back.

Again you can make this a payoff matrix with four cases arising from whether or not you:
(a) assume good faith (and act accordingly) or assume bad faith (and act accordingly)
(b) are indeed discriminated against or are not.

You can also look at it from a decision theory perspective.

Have you been abroad much, or even anywhere other than London and such English cities?

I ran out of gas recently in the dead of night on the Missouri-Arkansas border.

Driving around Arkansas sometimes you'd see a certain flag flying.

Went hunting for gas in the darkness with my colleague — also dark and has an afro.

Got too close to a house and some camper vans; dog starts barking.

Dog starts running at us.

Guys coming after us in a pick-up truck with guns.

I should mention that at this point I'm wearing stretch skinny jeans in the American Midwest, just in case the odds weren't stacked enough.

(The following Monday, at this point in the story, all my white Arkansas-born colleagues were having heart attacks and shitting in their socks.)

In the days prior to this, my colleague had been muttering outrage at all the flags we'd seen driving around, and projecting nervous dark energy at various points in the trip.

At this point he was panicking and only didn't lose his shit because I set the mood by keeping calm and serene.

The guys asked us what we were doing and I explained it calmly.

When the dog was about to get to me, I could easily have assumed it was going to try to maul me. If so, then I could either have let it do so; try to neutralise it without harming it (hardest option); or choked it out / wrung its neck and then dealt with the consequences with its gun-toting owners / local police.

No good options if I thought it was going to attack, but the tone of the situation, while tense, and for all its trappings of threat, did not feel malevolent.

I could understand the guys' situation and perspective — both that particular situation, and also how they must have guns, a dog, and a vehicle ready for action for self-defence, and for all they knew we were going to murder them.

The people in those small Midwestern towns and cities were pleasant, lovely, and respectful — far moreso than 'multicultural' London.

I put a hand out, ready to move it if the dog went for it with intent; ready to grab.

Or ready to pet.

As mikado's post, so too was my hand a mirror.

The dog veered past then pulled up. It followed me excitedly and seemed to want petting but never touched me.

At first, still suspicious, the guys tried to charge us a 300% mark-up on a gallon.

Eventually, when I told them I only had small change, and I'd cracked a joke to the main man's son about them deploying a fleet of vehicles and made him laugh, they helped us refuel and told us to keep the money for the next gas station.

God bless 'em.

I'm not saying always assume the best or not to trust your gut or look for trouble to prove a point.

But are you really listening to your gut, or are you listening to a conditioned fear response from somewhere higher up, that has reached a constant fever pitch due to negative assumptions from a small number of actual racially-motivated misfortunes?

My first night in the Midwest, I got pulled over by cops who tailed me, saw me go for an incorrect turn, then drove up my arse causing me to speed (didn't realise they were cops).

Two white cops.

Not realising how the culture's different and how much stricter they are about drinking and driving there, I admitted I'd had two drinks!

Honestly, I was looking in on the situation as it unfolded from outside the situation.

I was legit giggling at the ridiculousness of it, and imagining how my black family would react if they could see it unfold.

Given my strangely calm and jovial demeanour, they asked me to get out the vehicle and stand at the back of the car.

I did so and turned to face it, assuming they were going to arrest me.

They were 'lol wut turn around' and I realised they weren't (yet) arresting me. Again this was immensely amusing so I laughed and caught one of the officer's eyes and he cracked up too before regaining his composure.

I did the 'follow the pen' and they let me go with the minimum they could get away with — just the incorrect turn, nothing for speeding or drink-driving. Even with that, they gave me advice on exactly what I needed to do to try to get it thrown out or reduced to a token penalty.

No problems when I had to go see the (white old man) judge, then went to do the finishing paperwork, and forgot a detail so rudely burst into his courtroom and interrupted his next session to remind me of the detail I forgot.

He even offered me a chance to write a letter and have the offence sealed, since I didn't have time to appeal it while in the U.S.

Maybe at the time of these incidents I'd been reading too much about holy fools and Abraham's infinite resignation and had become, however briefly, a holy-fool Knight of Faith.

Always assuming the best, oblivious and vulnerable to the darker side of reality is one side.

Always assuming the worst, oblivious and vulnerable to your own paranoia, is another side — one often presented as the bold or daring choice.

But knowing both, balancing on the tightrope and laying your neck on the parapet for fate to spare or sever as it sees fit? Accepting that the price of good faith is to live in the shadow of external mercy?

Few are capable of that. Far easier to slip into one disconnected extreme or the other.

There is a trap many (most?) black British men fall into, of living their whole life in knowing mediocrity in the place they grew up, despite being convinced of its racism. The only thing worse than this knowing mediocrity, they reason, are the surely infinitely more racist lands beyond their nest ... which they've never visited ... because they knew they were racist, right?

You'd slay in the U.S. Midwest. You could also find God-fearing wife material (of every ethnicity) in the Midwest and South.

Typing is long and I'm too busy right now for exchanging PM's. When I'm marginally more free in a couple weeks let me know if you want to talk in person. I've got some long overdue respects I need to pay in South London anyway, so I'll be in the area.

- P

[DimeBait]

@Balls

Definitely. I was already doing this in negotiations before I knew what it was. Opposing parties always seem to settle whereas my counterparts get mired with stubborn opponents and spend countless hours preparing for adversarial engagements. Folks just wanna be acknowledged and think they thought of the shit they’re agreeing to. Similarly, as WIA pointed out, by giving women a stick sharpened on both ends, she thinks she’s choosing, but in reality you’ve already chose for her.

[Huey]

(08-31-2018 08:49 PM)Perspicacity Wrote:  

[snip]

[thedarkknight]

(08-31-2018 08:49 PM)Perspicacity Wrote:  

Here's the thing, TDK.

Exclusively being serious about a particular subset of women makes it easier to pedestalise that subset.

Reducing your dating pool it necessarily decreases the activation energy for pedestalisation.

It increases the temptation.

You had already built up this girl so much before the date having posted eagerly about her here, that you had already lost.

You gotta remember you're the prize, King.

As a man.

As a black man.

That's just on the general level.

Here's the specific:

Black girls in these fair Isles are absolute trash.

Especially in South-East London.

Usually both in looks and personality.

Maybe some of the African ones or island-born Carribean ones are okay, but if so good luck finding them — again, especially in SE London.

Based on my recollection of you mentioning your stats, education, profession, etc. ...

On paper, there's basically zero black British girls who measure up to you.

Because you've limited your attention to a subset where girls of your preferred physical type are a rarity, you have more scarcity mindset when you finally find one. All the things you have going for you fly out the window, and all you can think about is how awesome her body is (i.e. OMG she's not a fat hoodrat must be wife material), forgetting how much more amazing you are.

I'd put down money that chick was a dumb broad with little feminine instincts or skill; had a shit job (if any at all), and was uglier than you without her hour of make-up and couple grand per year dropped on hair and beauty treatments. (Might have had implants too.) Even granting her all that, she'll probably be inferior to you on looks (the only thing she has going) in a couple years.

You don't have to hate her or womankind for it, but you should know your value and keep things in perspective.

For some reason you're not fulfilling your pootie tang potential:

Your industry is stressful. Likely you don't have enough downtime to exercise, sleep, properly decompress, or socialise.

You're traumatised from the stuff that went down that you mentioned a while back and have some degree of PTSD.

You're convinced that non-blacks are heavily discriminating against you all the time.

All these things feed into and exacerbate each other.

Other than (hopefully) your work and (possibly but probably not edifying) girls, are you doing anything that's building yourself and your skills up, and adding meaning to your life?

Medium-term (six months) maybe you need to take a break from caring about girls and fix your mind (and body if it needs it), work/life balance, social life, and hobbies. Put things in perspective, like how that chick's sub-40 BMI ain't that special.

Long-term: What're your moves if you conclude you have to leave Britain for whatever reasons? Have you got anything in the chamber?

Stories like the one posted by the homie mikado are mirrors: the guys convinced the world is against them will — by virtue of that prior conviction — interpret it in such a way as to conclude it is further evidence of their belief, and having read it will be all the more confident of the belief they walked in with.

You might go to Africa or the islands thinking it'll solve your problems and find yourself even more out of place there. (Or scammed, robbed, or swindled as Archie mentioned.)

The danger with thinking you're a victim is that, whether or not you're correct, you train yourself to be helpless and to find victimhood in future situations.

Sometimes it's worth risking naïveté or gullibility in exchange for the improvement in what you put out into the world, and get back.

Again you can make this a payoff matrix with four cases arising from whether or not you:
(a) assume good faith (and act accordingly) or assume bad faith (and act accordingly)
(b) are indeed discriminated against or are not.

You can also look at it from a decision theory perspective.

Have you been abroad much, or even anywhere other than London and such English cities?

I ran out of gas recently in the dead of night on the Missouri-Arkansas border.

Driving around Arkansas sometimes you'd see a certain flag flying.

Went hunting for gas in the darkness with my colleague — also dark and has an afro.

Got too close to a house and some camper vans; dog starts barking.

Dog starts running at us.

Guys coming after us in a pick-up truck with guns.

I should mention that at this point I'm wearing stretch skinny jeans in the American Midwest, just in case the odds weren't stacked enough.

(The following Monday, at this point in the story, all my white Arkansas-born colleagues were having heart attacks and shitting in their socks.)

In the days prior to this, my colleague had been muttering outrage at all the flags we'd seen driving around, and projecting nervous dark energy at various points in the trip.

At this point he was panicking and only didn't lose his shit because I set the mood by keeping calm and serene.

The guys asked us what we were doing and I explained it calmly.

When the dog was about to get to me, I could easily have assumed it was going to try to maul me. If so, then I could either have let it do so; try to neutralise it without harming it (hardest option); or choked it out / wrung its neck and then dealt with the consequences with its gun-toting owners / local police.

No good options if I thought it was going to attack, but the tone of the situation, while tense, and for all its trappings of threat, did not feel malevolent.

I could understand the guys' situation and perspective — both that particular situation, and also how they must have guns, a dog, and a vehicle ready for action for self-defence, and for all they knew we were going to murder them.

The people in those small Midwestern towns and cities were pleasant, lovely, and respectful — far moreso than 'multicultural' London.

I put a hand out, ready to move it if the dog went for it with intent; ready to grab.

Or ready to pet.

As mikado's post, so too was my hand a mirror.

The dog veered past then pulled up. It followed me excitedly and seemed to want petting but never touched me.

At first, still suspicious, the guys tried to charge us a 300% mark-up on a gallon.

Eventually, when I told them I only had small change, and I'd cracked a joke to the main man's son about them deploying a fleet of vehicles and made him laugh, they helped us refuel and told us to keep the money for the next gas station.

God bless 'em.

I'm not saying always assume the best or not to trust your gut or look for trouble to prove a point.

But are you really listening to your gut, or are you listening to a conditioned fear response from somewhere higher up, that has reached a constant fever pitch due to negative assumptions from a small number of actual racially-motivated misfortunes?

My first night in the Midwest, I got pulled over by cops who tailed me, saw me go for an incorrect turn, then drove up my arse causing me to speed (didn't realise they were cops).

Two white cops.

Not realising how the culture's different and how much stricter they are about drinking and driving there, I admitted I'd had two drinks!

Honestly, I was looking in on the situation as it unfolded from outside the situation.

I was legit giggling at the ridiculousness of it, and imagining how my black family would react if they could see it unfold.

Given my strangely calm and jovial demeanour, they asked me to get out the vehicle and stand at the back of the car.

I did so and turned to face it, assuming they were going to arrest me.

They were 'lol wut turn around' and I realised they weren't (yet) arresting me. Again this was immensely amusing so I laughed and caught one of the officer's eyes and he cracked up too before regaining his composure.

I did the 'follow the pen' and they let me go with the minimum they could get away with — just the incorrect turn, nothing for speeding or drink-driving. Even with that, they gave me advice on exactly what I needed to do to try to get it thrown out or reduced to a token penalty.

No problems when I had to go see the (white old man) judge, then went to do the finishing paperwork, and forgot a detail so rudely burst into his courtroom and interrupted his next session to remind me of the detail I forgot.

He even offered me a chance to write a letter and have the offence sealed, since I didn't have time to appeal it while in the U.S.

Maybe at the time of these incidents I'd been reading too much about holy fools and Abraham's infinite resignation and had become, however briefly, a holy-fool Knight of Faith.

Always assuming the best, oblivious and vulnerable to the darker side of reality is one side.

Always assuming the worst, oblivious and vulnerable to your own paranoia, is another side — one often presented as the bold or daring choice.

But knowing both, balancing on the tightrope and laying your neck on the parapet for fate to spare or sever as it sees fit? Accepting that the price of good faith is to live in the shadow of external mercy?

Few are capable of that. Far easier to slip into one disconnected extreme or the other.

There is a trap many (most?) black British men fall into, of living their whole life in knowing mediocrity in the place they grew up, despite being convinced of its racism. The only thing worse than this knowing mediocrity, they reason, are the surely infinitely more racist lands beyond their nest ... which they've never visited ... because they knew they were racist, right?

You'd slay in the U.S. Midwest. You could also find God-fearing wife material (of every ethnicity) in the Midwest and South.

Typing is long and I'm too busy right now for exchanging PM's. When I'm marginally more free in a couple weeks let me know if you want to talk in person. I've got some long overdue respects I need to pay in South London anyway, so I'll be in the area.

- P

Great post.

The black girls in London are crap. Most are obese, ignorant as hell, hair hat wearing, with little to know no self-respect. Why and how do you think "our" women got so bad compared to other groups?

This Congo girl broke up with a dude after he impregnated another woman. It took that severe level of dysfunction for her to leave him: despite him cheating on her multiple times during their five year relationship. You are what you attract. Water seeks it's own level and all that. She was living with her family while she is doing a masters in a third tier university and is not working currently. Looks wise, she had obvious acne despite the make-up.

Correct. I prefer black women but I hype up this chick because she was black, in-shape and clean looking. Also she doesn't have kids. It really is a damn, fucking shame that every single attractive, young ( <25) black chick, I have to assume that she already has a kid. Once again, how in the hell did it get this bad.

Don't worry about me not having time to practice self-care. As rudebwoy can attest, I'm in good shape and I play guitar to a good level. I have a date late next week with a Caribbean born chick.

Well, I'm off to work. I signed up for overtime, so off I go.

TDK

[thedarkknight]

Perp,

With these decent looking,slim black chicks, they be spinning plates. Due to the thirst of black guys and now the bonus level of white men opening up because they are half way decent, they have multiple dudes on the go.

Listen, despite my PTSD, these Asian chicks are eager to tie me down. These black chicks, I struggle/struggle to get a second date and I feel like they neglect/ undervalue my black ass.

On Youtube, there is a black Youtuber called, Chronicles of Judah. In one of his videos, he was reviewing a film with Sanaa Lathan. He basically says, because black chicks undervalue themselves they undervalue their own. Who knows? What i do know is, black women seem to not really appreciate what I bring to the table whereas Asians do. Obviously, I'm not gonna get serious with one but it's an observation.

These black chicks are out of control. No behavioural standards. Chinese chicks say slim but these black chicks in London let it all go. Listen, even if the system is against us, you still can have self-respect. A lot of them have just given up and the brothers still gas them up. These chicks aren't getting themselves pregnant.

Most of the brothers on this thread would be drowning in not just poon ( which most of you are) but in relationship offers, if we belonged to other groups. I fucking dare any of you to disagree with that. Seeing smelly, nonathletic, anally searched at JFK, beard longer than his fully erect penis, Manjit Singh/ Syed Abdullah, getting set up with a Kim Kardashian look-a-like shows what a patriarchal society looks like.

Man I'm heated.

TDK

[RougeNoir]

Is AMS Jariel by any chance? Same height and build iirc. Similar viewpoints on the game.

[jordypip23]

(09-01-2018 12:04 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

Is AMS Jariel by any chance? Same height and build iirc. Similar viewpoints on the game.

Was Jariel a transplant to Brooklyn, NYC from Alabama? That is part of AMS's backstory.

[Iso]

I thought Jariel was Hispanic and from Miami.

[TheScientist]

I just joined this forum to specifically ask other black guys about indian girls.

I'm a pretty good looking black guy and I attract all types of girls but indian girls seem to have no interest in me at all.

It's actually been bothering for a long time now as I have a thing for caramel colored girls so I see a lot of indian girls who I'm attracted to. There's a lot of them where i live.

Is any black guy in here regularly fucking some hot indian girls?

Does anyone else feel completely ignored by these girls?

I've heard Indian people in general are very racist towards black people so are these girls just racist?

Also, where I live most of the brown girls are indian so I'm talking about them specifically as I do not have experience with brown/arab girls from other countries.

I have heard that other brown girls like persians and morocans like black men so this does not seem to be an issue with all brown/arab girls.

Please share any info you have on this.

[DimeBait]

@TheScientist
There are always outliers, just keep shooting your shot till you hit one. I’ve never had one myself and don’t know any brothers who have but I had an Indian grad student who was crushing hard on me but I couldn’t shit where I ate. We follow each other on Instagram and I see she’s completely immersed in black culture with mostly, if not all, black girlfriends.
I personally don’t chase hoes, so if they’re not choosing they’re loosing. Maybe consider traveling to India and see how you fare.

[thedarkknight]

(09-01-2018 07:28 PM)TheScientist Wrote:  

I just joined this forum to specifically ask other black guys about indian girls.

I'm a pretty good looking black guy and I attract all types of girls but indian girls seem to have no interest in me at all.

It's actually been bothering for a long time now as I have a thing for caramel colored girls so I see a lot of indian girls who I'm attracted to. There's a lot of them where i live.

Is any black guy in here regularly fucking some hot indian girls?

Does anyone else feel completely ignored by these girls?

I've heard Indian people in general are very racist towards black people so are these girls just racist?

Also, where I live most of the brown girls are indian so I'm talking about them specifically as I do not have experience with brown/arab girls from other countries.

I have heard that other brown girls like persians and morocans like black men so this does not seem to be an issue with all brown/arab girls.

Please share any info you have on this.

I sense a troll. This is probably a reincarnation of the same fool a few pages back who asked about Arab chicks . He’s a fool but his underlying point remains. There are reasons why you rarely see Arabs/ Indians with brothers.

I hate to be doom and gloom but there is a reason why black guys who jump the fence usually and over whelmingly end up with white chicks.

As I said earlier, brown chicks, regardless of ethinicity tend to come from insular, patriarchal and anti-black cultures.

I’m keeping it real.

TDK

[ShotgunUppercuts]

Cant say that i ever seen a brother with an indian chick.

[ShotgunUppercuts]

@moma thanks pa

[TheScientist]

[/quote]

I sense a troll. This is probably a reincarnation of the same fool a few pages back who asked about Arab chicks . He’s a fool but his underlying point remains. There are reasons why you rarely see Arabs/ Indians with brothers.

I hate to be doom and gloom but there is a reason why black guys who jump the fence usually and over whelmingly end up with white chicks.

As I said earlier, brown chicks, regardless of ethinicity tend to come from insular, patriarchal and anti-black cultures.

I’m keeping it real.

TDK
[/quote]

First, I'm not a troll and I'm not a guy from before. I've never posted on this thread until now.

Secondly, It's interesting you mention girls from "anti black cultures" because that was my first hypothesis.

In my experience, by far the most racist people I've met have been Indians and Chinese people.

But the weird thing is I attract plenty of Asian girls so that seems to invalidate my hypothesis.

It's really fucked up though because I attract chinese girls but I very rarely find them attractive as I hate their no ass/curves bodies.

But I see a lot of super hot indian girls here and they are underrated for ass/curves/body but they seem to want nothing to do with me.

[thedarkknight]

Listen.

No bullshit.

Analogy to aid Understanding

Let's say a daughter is like a business. Say I'm a Chinese Man, who has raised his daughter to be in shape, have no kids, have high income and know their mother tongue. That's an impressive girl-right? So , obviously, many men will come to the business owner and say, I want to form a partnership.

But wait.

Would you partner up with your average black? His own business ( women) are worse- fatter, out of wed-lock kids , lower earning and decultured . Why in the hell would he trust his business with such a partner, when his own business sucks.

I say that to say this, we are seen as burglars creeping in through the back door to loot the business. Why are we poaching their women that they spent years investing in and developing?


Rest of the Harsh Truths

In most cultures, we are societal anchors and the White man is the social escalator. These cultures value wealth and we are always at, or damn near, the bottom, economically. On average, we are a low social status and low social prestige group. We are lowest on the racial totem pole in these cultures and that's the truth. I'll say this loud and clear for all of you guys, we are the global Dalits, the underclass. Even with money, you are always one argument away from becoming a "nigger" at break-neck speed. Until we build up ourselves, our lands, our women and our minds, we will remain as scum in the eyes of others. Unfortunately, judging by the foolishness I've seen in the news this year, black people in the west are actually regressing.

We are the least employed, least married, lowest earning , least educated and highest incarcerated (proportionally) group of men in the West. And that's...no lie.

And, to be honest, would I, as a Chinese-man, want my daughter to settle down with one of us? Let's be for real. Based on a group basis, you'd be setting up your daughter to : face discrimination, have extremely unstable income, join a culture with jacked up familial structures, a culture with little to no group economics and children who will be "ugly" because most asian cultures - off the bat- see black skin/ African features as hideous.

That BBC, swag, athleticism only works on the woman but not on the families.

I say all these things because emotionally it doesn't bother me. We should stay with our own anyway. Black men, we have to know our own culture and raise our economic station before settling down with a woman because she won't respect you. The sad thing is, this applies to black women in the West too.

In order to deal with reality, you have face reality.

TDK

[TheScientist]

(09-02-2018 01:58 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

Listen. No bullshit.

In most cultures, we are societal anchors and the White man is a social escalator. These cultures value wealth and we are always at, or damn near the bottom, economically. On average, we are low social status and low social prestige. We are lowest on the totem pole in these cultures and that's the truth.

I'll say this loud and clear for all of you guys, we are global Dalits. The underclass.

Until we build up ourselves, our lands, our women and our minds, we will remain as scum in the eyes of others. Unfortunately, judging by the foolishness I've seen in the news this year, black people in the west are actually regressing.

And TBH, would I, as a Chinese-man, who busted my ass, want my daughter to settle down with one of us? Let's be for real. Based on a group basis, you'd be setting up your daughter to : face discrimination, have extremely unstable income, join a culture with jacked up familial structures, a culture with little to no group economics and children who will be "ugly" because most asian cultures - off the bat- see black skin/ African features as hideous.

That BBC, swag, athleticism only works on the woman but not on the families. T

I say all these things because emotionally it doesn't bother me. We should stay with our own anyway.

Black men, we have to know our own culture and get money before considering to settle down with a woman because she won't respect you/family won't respect you.

TDK

I think i get what you are talking about.

But I'm talking about hookups and one night stands here.

I have no interest in anything serious at all; i just want to fuck these indian girls.

Everything you say seems to me more related to long term relationships.

I just dont understand how indian girls could be so sexually uninterested in black men.

In my experience, if i have genuine visceral instant boner attraction for a girl, that girl will almost always be attracted to me at least a bit as well.

I think sexual chemistry is a two way thing.

Some of these indian girls have that super strong instant boner effect on me; they have to feel that chemistry as well.

So to me if this is a racism thing then it must be very very deep and ingrained in them at a very young age by their parents; only brainwashing to that level could cause these indian girls to resist the natural sexual chemistry I'm sure a lot of them have with black men.

[thedarkknight]

Analogy to aid Understanding

Let's say a daughter is like a business. Say I'm a Chinese Man, who has raised his daughter to be in shape, have no kids, have high income and know their mother tongue. That's an impressive girl-right? So , obviously, many men will come to the business owner and say, I want to form a partnership.

But wait.

Would you partner up with your average black? His own business ( women) are worse- fatter, out of wed-lock kids , lower earning and decultured . Why in the hell would he trust his business with such a partner, when his own business sucks.

I say that to say this, we are seen as burglars creeping in through the back door to loot the business. Why are we poaching their women that they spent years investing in and developing?

To take the analogy further, Chinese women and White women are like Walmart/Amazon. Tonnes of customers and would be international news if the business were to float on the market. Our women, our business, is a gas station in the middle of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Ain't nobody gonna do their Christmas shopping there, trust me. You use it once and then you move on and that is exactly, exactly, what the other races do to black women and what those non-black women do to US.

TDK

[Moma]

(09-01-2018 07:28 PM)TheScientist Wrote:  

I just joined this forum to specifically ask other black guys about indian girls.

I'm a pretty good looking black guy and I attract all types of girls but indian girls seem to have no interest in me at all.

It's actually been bothering for a long time now as I have a thing for caramel colored girls so I see a lot of indian girls who I'm attracted to. There's a lot of them where i live.

Is any black guy in here regularly fucking some hot indian girls?

Does anyone else feel completely ignored by these girls?

I've heard Indian people in general are very racist towards black people so are these girls just racist?

Also, where I live most of the brown girls are indian so I'm talking about them specifically as I do not have experience with brown/arab girls from other countries.

I have heard that other brown girls like persians and morocans like black men so this does not seem to be an issue with all brown/arab girls.

Please share any info you have on this.

It depends where you are in the world. My black friends went to a university in London heavily frequented by Indians and they were running through the girls like a train with failed brakes. Move to other regions and depending on the population, it may become more difficult. Certain Indian sects may be more open minded than others. Goans are pretty open minded but there may be others that are from a harsher culture.
Maybe you should start by looking for a Goan meetup?

[Lowkey]

Why would you want something that doesn't love you and abhors you? This is what's wrong with our people. If you sense someone sees you as an inferior due to our melanin. Leave them and see them as your enemy

[Iso]

(09-02-2018 08:18 AM)Lowkey Wrote:  

Why would you want something that doesn't love you and abhors you? This is what's wrong with our people. If you sense someone sees you as an inferior due to our melanin. Leave them and see them as your enemy

Bingo. One of my biggest insights in life has been to stop chasing the validation of people who despise Black Men. Why I am chasing respect from people who won't give me the natural respect I deserve? You are simply reinforcing your inferiority to the racist. The racist sees you kissing up to them, therefore you confirm his beliefs.

[doc holliday]

The deal with Indian girls from my perspective is that in general, they will ONS, have flings with White dudes and then when it comes time to "settle down" they typically want to do that with an Indian dude. Some Indian girls and their families will accept them marrying White dudes as well ( my sister is married to an Italian dude). True there is a good bit of dislike by Indians towards Black guys and I haven't seen many Black guys with Indian chicks. I met this one Black guy with this Indian chick when I was in Miami earlier this year so there are outliers for sure but generally speaking, Indian girls usually don't gravitate towards Black men. I'm sure though that there are Indian girls who are curious about Black men just like White girls but I'm guessing they would want to keep that on the down low due to all the social pressure they face.

[thedarkknight]

As I said earlier, any moderate ethnicity like Indian, Arab, Hispanic will be the hardest for black men.

Remember.

White supermacy will die last in the aforementioned cultures.

They , all of those parts of the world, lick white ass like it’s two scoops of vanilla ice cream.

It’s the inherent inferiority complex to white and the inherent superiority complex over black.


TDK

[packagehandler]

There're still good black women out there despite what you see in the media or may have even experienced personally. I’m dating one. There are several guys in my social circle (college-educated black men) who are either married, engaged, or are in long term relationships with these women. I'm never gonna settle down with a non-black woman. She might love you but her family sure as hell won't.