[GeroMeroHero]

http://www.friatider.se/hade-fel-ogonfar...isshandlad

In this story, a boy (who first language is Arabic, only detail divulged) beat another boy for having blue eyes. While it is not stated that the offending boy is Muslim, he is living in Sweden and his first language is Arabic. And is also young so the odds are high that he is or is surrounded by that environment.
Presumably for having prettier eyes than him.

This of course further supports Matt Forney's article on Islam being a feminine religion which promotes taken offense and acting on your feelings.
http://www.returnofkings.com/52882/why-d...al-muslims

[El Chinito loco]

(01-18-2015 12:19 AM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

This of course further supports Matt Forney's article on Islam being a feminine religion which promotes taken offense and acting on your feelings.
http://www.returnofkings.com/52882/why-d...al-muslims

Just wanted to point this article out. Everyone should read this, Forney really hit this out of the park. Very insightful.

I didn't know the connection of the moon with pagan feminine attributes. There's pagan symbology everywhere in islam including the prominent role a meteorite plays in mecca which is actually a form of idolatry that they rail against.

It makes total sense though there's always something very off with a culture that alternately pedestalizes and fears the feminine form. Islam has raised women and the very idea of femininity to an exalted level.

Aside from the feminized aspects of islam there are tinges of it being a conventional pagan "death" cult as well. The fatalism and focus on sacrificing yourself with violence and bloodshed to further the cause has all the hallmarks of it having death cult origins. The themes of fertility, feminine exaltation, death etc.. is very interesting. There is no resurrection or rebirth theme there like in Buddhism or even mainstream Christianity. Islam seems to emphasize a spiritual cycle of devolution.

[Sp5]

Another "random Muslim somewhere in the world does something" (a schoolboy fight!) and "I've never been to a Muslim country, but I know all about Islam" thread.

All religions are subject to twisting by the feminine imperative. Islam has elements of female subjugation and pedestalization, but all in all it is interpreted by its followers to put the man in charge. For example, you need at least two female witnesses to equal one man's, and women aren't accepted as credible at all by some Muslims.

Arab tribal culture is very patriarchal. I've visited sheikhs in their homes and tent pavilions in the desert and there is no doubt who is in charge - them and other men. Real sheikhs are apex alphas: they have the power, the style and the serenity of a lion leading a pride.

[GeroMeroHero]

(01-18-2015 01:55 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Another "random Muslim somewhere in the world does something" (a schoolboy fight!) and "I've never been to a Muslim country, but I know all about Islam" thread.

All religions are subject to twisting by the feminine imperative. Islam has elements of female subjugation and pedestalization, but all in all it is interpreted by its followers to put the man in charge. For example, you need at least two female witnesses to equal one man's, and women aren't accepted as credible at all by some Muslims.

Arab tribal culture is very patriarchal. I've visited sheikhs in their homes and tent pavilions in the desert and there is no doubt who is in charge - them and other men. Real sheikhs are apex alphas: they have the power, the style and the serenity of a lion leading a pride.

You can say we should not comment because we are not familiar enough, but I can also say you're too close to be impartial since it sounds like you were treated extremely well.
They are more redpilled than the west in regards to men being in charge but it avails them little.
Being tribal for example retards their development so that masculinity really doesn't amount to much.

I saw this said on rok and I think it it makes a lot of sense: why do we like patriarchy? Because it is a fairer and more stable society. Find me an Islamic society that is as stable and fair as a Western one, even today's Western societies.
Patriarchy is an important factor to a highly effective society but it is not supremely important if the other factors are not in that society's favor.

[Mage]

Children fight for many stupid reasons I doubt one child beating another tells much about the nature of their religion.

Still the theory of Islam being a feminine moon cult could be very true, I just doubt this event would be the best evidence for this.

Children fights are best explained trough unchecked diversity. Diveristy+proksimity=war.

[Sp5]

(01-18-2015 02:11 AM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 01:55 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Another "random Muslim somewhere in the world does something" (a schoolboy fight!) and "I've never been to a Muslim country, but I know all about Islam" thread.

All religions are subject to twisting by the feminine imperative. Islam has elements of female subjugation and pedestalization, but all in all it is interpreted by its followers to put the man in charge. For example, you need at least two female witnesses to equal one man's, and women aren't accepted as credible at all by some Muslims.

Arab tribal culture is very patriarchal. I've visited sheikhs in their homes and tent pavilions in the desert and there is no doubt who is in charge - them and other men. Real sheikhs are apex alphas: they have the power, the style and the serenity of a lion leading a pride.

You can say we should not comment because we are not familiar enough, but I can also say you're too close to be impartial since it sounds like you were treated extremely well.
They are more redpilled than the west in regards to men being in charge but it avails them little.
Being tribal for example retards their development so that masculinity really doesn't amount to much.

I saw this said on rok and I think it it makes a lot of sense: why do we like patriarchy? Because it is a fairer and more stable society. Find me an Islamic society that is as stable and fair as a Western one, even today's Western societies.
Patriarchy is an important factor to a highly effective society but it is not supremely important if the other factors are not in that society's favor.

I can't say I've always been treated extremely well (some other Muslims repeatedly tried to kill me with mortars and rockets and killed friends of mine), but I keep my eyes open and observe. Mostly, shit is the same everywhere, women (have banged Muslims) are the same, once you separate out the politics.

There are some very weird and noxious things about Islamic societies, for example the homo undercurrents, the corruption. These bad weird things are caused by a lot of factors, some religious, some tribal.

But guys calling Islam "feminine" by drawing a few analogies about lunar cycles without seeing how those societies actually work is ridiculous. Especially when they don't seem to recognize how they've been bombarded with a western propaganda narrative for years.

[Darius]

Edward Bernays "Propaganda" should be required reading.

[britchard]

How is Islam a feminine religion? The only feminine aspect is the liberal SJWs supporting it.

I have been to Muslim country (not even a very strict one) and you just can't say what it's like unless you've been to one. I don't know if you have, but I just wordered if you had been to one of these countries.

[Suits]

Is this thread going to get me laid?

[turkishcandy]

Islam didn't create Arabs. Arabs created Islam. Arabs doing stupid shit isn't a result of Islam, Islam is just a reflection of the intensely-introverted Arabic culture. And we all know that introverted cultures can do a lot of bizarre stuff, like Indians, North Koreans, African tribes. Granted, Arabs take it to a whole different level. But this shouldn't be attributed to all Muslims.

[El Chinito loco]

(01-18-2015 05:04 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Islam didn't create Arabs. Arabs created Islam. Arabs doing stupid shit isn't a result of Islam, Islam is just a reflection of the intensely-introverted Arabic culture. And we all know that introverted cultures can do a lot of bizarre stuff, like Indians, North Koreans, African tribes. Granted, Arabs take it to a whole different level. But this shouldn't be attributed to all Muslims.

How does non arab (the medieval caliphate version) orientated islam differ ?

I'm completely serious and non judgemental about that question.

[turkishcandy]

(01-18-2015 05:08 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 05:04 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Islam didn't create Arabs. Arabs created Islam. Arabs doing stupid shit isn't a result of Islam, Islam is just a reflection of the intensely-introverted Arabic culture. And we all know that introverted cultures can do a lot of bizarre stuff, like Indians, North Koreans, African tribes. Granted, Arabs take it to a whole different level. But this shouldn't be attributed to all Muslims.

How does non arab (the medieval caliphate version) orientated islam differ ?

I'm completely serious and non judgemental about that question.

I'm glad you asked that question. Islam, in its core, is just a manifesto of Arab culture and values. Let's call things what they are. God didn't choose Saudi Arabs to spread the truth throughout the world. They invented this set of norms and spread it by sword. Therefore it's impossible to surgically remove the Arabic culture and values from Islam. Islam teaches you to live and think like Arabs, and submit to the Arabic understanding of God. There is no truly non-Arab oriented Islam.

The closest to a non-Arab version of Islam was Ottoman Empire, because the Central Asian Turkish culture (where Turkish race was born) was too dominant to be dominated by Arabic culture. That's why the Ottomans somehow found the midpoint between Arab oriented Islamic culture and the original non-Islamic Turkish culture. It also helped that Ottomans were in war with Arabs.

Today, Islam IS Arabic in its core. But that doesn't mean those people are doing it because of being Muslim. Islam is just a front for Arabic aggression and its dominant culture. If you saw an Italian Christian organizing Mafia and bringing his family members to join, would you attribute that to him being Christian or him being Italian? That's how it's like with Muslim Arabs.

If you actually put all the religious norms aside and analyze religion as a historian and sociologist, you will come to realize that Islam is just a big cover up for Arabic Imperialism.

[KC4]

Eehh one thing you guys should know is that friatider is a far right wing website that is known for its bizarre all ways racial articles. This is not really a website you can really call neutral.

[Sp5]

(01-18-2015 03:14 AM)Darius Wrote:  

Edward Bernays "Propaganda" should be required reading.

When I replied to this, I was thinking of some propaganda training I got when I was in the military, which followed this outline:

Propaganda definitions from US Army Psyops Manual

Saying Islam is "feminine" is an example mostly of "name calling," with a bit of "assertion," "bandwagoning" and "card stacking."

It reminds me of Bill Maher getting shit on when he questioned the dominant description of the 9/11 hijackers as "cowards." When he dissented from that "bandwagon" view by saying hell no, you can call them murderers, fanatics, evil, or whatever, but they were brave mo-fos, he got ripped for days, even though what he said seemed to be common sense to me. Propaganda: it's not enough that your enemies do bad things; they have to be essentially bad, and bad in every way.

With all respect to Matt, I can't blame him for having absorbed the dominant propaganda narrative in the West for years, even before 9/11, but his thesis bears little relation to reality. It's like the Aesop's fable of the blind men feeling different parts of an elephant and variously saying it's like a tree, a wall, or a snake.

Human societies evolve over hundreds of years as the result of billions of decisions. They are responding to elemental human needs in one way or another, and are the product of multiple struggles between dialectical views.

With regard to the male/female dialectic, I take Rollo Tomassi's writings and their basis in evolutionary psychology as true. Men and women have different sexual strategies, and what Rollo calls The Feminine Imperative is always seeking to free itself. This struggle is one of the things which form human societies. We talk about that a lot here.

So, where is the expression of The Feminine Imperative of hypergamy and hegemony over all spaces most dominant? Here in the Arab/Islamic world, men get to marry four wives. If a woman is too free exercising her hypergamy, she might be killed; she is almost certainly going to be shamed and disowned. Men dominate politics and business. Men have multiple public spaces of their own, like the coffee shops which are informal men's clubs, and even the mosques.

Yet somehow Islam is feminine? Compared to what? Because of the moon stuff?

(01-18-2015 05:23 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

I'm glad you asked that question. Islam, in its core, is just a manifesto of Arab culture and values. Let's call things what they are. God didn't choose Saudi Arabs to spread the truth throughout the world. They invented this set of norms and spread it by sword. Therefore it's impossible to surgically remove the Arabic culture and values from Islam. Islam teaches you to live and think like Arabs, and submit to the Arabic understanding of God. There is no truly non-Arab oriented Islam.

The closest to a non-Arab version of Islam was Ottoman Empire, because the Central Asian Turkish culture (where Turkish race was born) was too dominant to be dominated by Arabic culture. That's why the Ottomans somehow found the midpoint between Arab oriented Islamic culture and the original non-Islamic Turkish culture. It also helped that Ottomans were in war with Arabs.

Today, Islam IS Arabic in its core. But that doesn't mean those people are doing it because of being Muslim. Islam is just a front for Arabic aggression and its dominant culture. If you saw an Italian Christian organizing Mafia and bringing his family members to join, would you attribute that to him being Christian or him being Italian? That's how it's like with Muslim Arabs.

If you actually put all the religious norms aside and analyze religion as a historian and sociologist, you will come to realize that Islam is just a big cover up for Arabic Imperialism.

This is true. The dominance of Arabic and Arab culture in Islam is much greater than any cultural dominance in any other world religion, except for their cousins the Jews with Hebrew texts and cultural norms. Christianity abandoned Latin and European cultural norms years ago, Buddhism was universalist from the beginning.

But in addition to that, a lot of what happens in these societies is also the product of foreign influence and interference not related to Islam or Arab culture. It's possible but not always evident to see the overlays of Turkish Ottoman, French, British, Soviet and American culture and law in various Arab and Muslim countries.

One thing I think about political, economic and cultural reform of societies: it's not rocket science, it's 100 times more complicated.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

You mean like the way England's biggest publisher, Oxford University Press, is requesting its authors not to mention pork or bacon to avoid offending Muslims...and Jews. The Washington Times just reported about this.

I see this as similar to the trigger warnings colleges are now issuing so feminists and their ilk don't have to read about ideas that trouble them. You know, the Catholic religion forbids contraception and pre-maritial sex, but no college presidents or publishing CEOs request that these things be banned in books and colleges for Catholic students.

What I think should come next is a ban on Kevin Bacon movies for Muslims and Jews.

[Parlay44]

Brown boy likes pretty white Swedish girl. Pretty white Swedish girl likes boy with pretty blue eyes. Brown boy wages Jihad against all boys with blue eyes.

It's a childhood crush blown out of proportion in order to make a story. Who hasn't been there growing up?

[SteveMcMahon]

(01-18-2015 10:15 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

What I think should come next is a ban on Kevin Bacon movies for Muslims and Jews.

Kevin Bacon is doubly problematic, because the first thing he did on becoming invisible in Hollow Man was use his new-found power for rape.


BITCHES DON'T KNOW BOUT MY INVISIBLE DICK

[Rutting Elephant]

(01-18-2015 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yet somehow Islam is feminine? Compared to what?

Breaking shit over hurt feelings is bitch behavior.

[Parlay44]

(01-18-2015 12:34 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yet somehow Islam is feminine? Compared to what?

Breaking shit over hurt feelings is bitch behavior.

Islam takes everything personally. They take something that happened against one Muslim as if it happened to them. It's an attack against Islam itself even it had nothing to do with religion. It's a groupthink mentality.

Americans wage war against Iraq. Iraqis are Muslims. Therefore Americans waged war against muslims. Therefore Americans are the enemy. It's a logical fallacy driven by idealist propaganda. America is the reason you're poor and have no pussy. So kill Americans and pussy will be your reward in heaven.

[Pride male]

Monotheism fucked everything up. We could have morally dubious gods like Zeus, gods of wine and love and religious festivals that soon turned into drunken orgies.

[Darius]

(01-18-2015 12:47 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 12:34 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yet somehow Islam is feminine? Compared to what?

Breaking shit over hurt feelings is bitch behavior.

Islam takes everything personally. They take something that happened against one Muslim as if it happened to them. It's an attack against Islam itself even it had nothing to do with religion. It's a groupthink mentality.

Americans wage war against Iraq. Iraqis are Muslims. Therefore Americans waged war against muslims. Therefore Americans are the enemy. It's a logical fallacy driven by idealist propaganda. America is the reason you're poor and have no pussy. So kill Americans and pussy will be your reward in heaven.

Obviously they should welcome their foreign invaders with welcome arms.

They should ignore the fact that America has invaded their countries, overthrown their governments and basically done everything to keep them in the stone age so they are easier to manipulate because that's what friends do.

All this is Propaganda 101. Demonize the enemy so that killing them and taking their stuff is justified.

[Parlay44]

(01-18-2015 04:53 PM)Darius Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 12:47 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 12:34 PM)Rutting Elephant Wrote:  

(01-18-2015 09:05 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Yet somehow Islam is feminine? Compared to what?

Breaking shit over hurt feelings is bitch behavior.

Islam takes everything personally. They take something that happened against one Muslim as if it happened to them. It's an attack against Islam itself even it had nothing to do with religion. It's a groupthink mentality.

Americans wage war against Iraq. Iraqis are Muslims. Therefore Americans waged war against muslims. Therefore Americans are the enemy. It's a logical fallacy driven by idealist propaganda. America is the reason you're poor and have no pussy. So kill Americans and pussy will be your reward in heaven.

Obviously they should welcome their foreign invaders with welcome arms.

They should ignore the fact that America has invaded their countries, overthrown their governments and basically done everything to keep them in the stone age so they are easier to manipulate because that's what friends do.

All this is Propaganda 101. Demonize the enemy so that killing them and taking their stuff is justified.

They keep themselves in the stone age.

[Easy_C]

(01-18-2015 12:19 AM)GeroMeroHero Wrote:  

This of course further supports Matt Forney's article on Islam being a feminine religion which promotes taken offense and acting on your feelings.
http://www.returnofkings.com/52882/why-d...al-muslims

It's a well worded rebuttal to the batshit insane notion the manosphere has that men in muslim nations are somehow more "masculine" just because they beat their women.

Ask anyone on these boards who has spent their time on these boards what they're really like: flaming, effeminite, fags.

[turkishcandy]

Maybe the reason that the Muslim world is so fucked up is because there is no Caliph (Muslim Pope) to lead the Muslims into the modern era. Caliphate was abolished by Ataturk in 1924. There was no caliph until last year when ISIS declared their leader as the new caliph. Pope Francis is working hard on the image of the Catholic Church. Muslims lack such leader. Otherwise, there is no unification of conflicting judgments and all imams and muftis are declaring their own fatwas. What do you guys think? Do you think it's a coincidence that Muslims don't have leader and they are so misguided?

The Last Ottoman Caliph


The new self-proclaimed Caliph

[BortimusPrime]

(01-18-2015 06:12 PM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

Maybe the reason that the Muslim world is so fucked up is because there is no Caliph (Muslim Pope) to lead the Muslims into the modern era. Caliphate was abolished by Ataturk in 1924. There was no caliph until last year when ISIS declared their leader as the new caliph. Pope Francis is working hard on the image of the Catholic Church. Muslims lack such leader. Otherwise, there is no unification of conflicting judgments and all imams and muftis are declaring their own fatwas. What do you guys think? Do you think it's a coincidence that Muslims don't have leader and they are so misguided?

I think leaders and people who believe in things based on faith and arguments from authority over objective reality are a bad combination.