[Lord Immaculate]

Excuse the rant, I don't mean to sound like a bitch but this is more of whats going on in my game than a rant, but there is some frustration in there.

These girls don't take me seriously at all. I can pull and get laid but I can't really live a player lifestyle where I bark and they jump, like I see so many other guys who have it like that. Guys getting driven around, girls buying them drinks and dinner, girls never daring to waste their time, girls cancelling on other dudes for them. It's funny how that "girls never approach or chase" rule goes out the window when it comes to certain guys. It's funny how they stop caring about "looking like desperate sluts" once a certain guy is involved, to the point where they will publically humiliate themselves over certain dudes.

I for one, do not get taken seriously. All I can do is get the pussy, and I have to work EXTREMELY hard to get it. Once I get it, they get to lay back and get fucked (Really well) by me and me, like a fool, did ALL the work. I basically have to pry myself into their lives and then into bed with extreme effort and persistence in order to get laid with new girls. It's taxing and feels like I'm getting ripped off. As if I'm not taking advantage of something thats there but I just don't see it. As a result of the extreme effort I put into getting laid with every single girl, once I have them it's a big deal if I lose them because the investment is so high on my part that the loss actually hurts. Not as in being a pussy, but as in the logical result of how it all goes down. I'm constantly monitoring if I do "this' or I do "that" if it will cause the girl to lose attraction and leave. My lay rate is high, but it comes with a heavy price of no real respect at all. It's like I'm being patronized on some level, for my effort or something.

These other dudes, barely any effort, if any at all. They get everything. They don't have to act like happy little clowns or keep persisting, or act super interested in the girls life, or be anything at all. A few grunts, maybe a look here or there and thats it. Some have a million friends, some don't. Some are handsome, some are not.
Some are funny, some arent. Some are witty, some arent.

My game is basically direct and sexual. I bombard them with sexuality and pathetic bullshit about how much I want them and they make me wait anywhere from one day to a couple of months. I do it
this way because it's the only way that works for me with any consistency.

HOW I WOULD LIKE TO GAME:

I would like to game in a style where I can actually do whatever I want and not worry about how it affects my results. Like I can be myself and call girls out on their shitty behavior (a major sticking point). I don't call them out nearly as much as I should because I'm scared to lose them, because I put so much effort into each girl. I'd like a low effort, high yield apporach where I can also get the respect that is due to me. I tried David X style, which is what I want to be like but these girls just don't go for the whole "my way or the highway" shit and they just take the highway. I would love to say to them "shut the fuck up" and "you're trying to manipulate me right now, and I'm not having that fucking bullshit" but in this game you're not allowed to get mad.

I'm frustrated, I feel like a half a man because I allow these bitches to get away with murder in the name of getting laid.

[456]

I think you laid out your own solution in your final paragraphs!

Call girls out, but don't do it in the "caring asshole" way (h/t Roissy), rather, do it in the "uncaring asshole" way or, better yet, a GENUINE way.

You can't bluff "not caring" if she walks -- you have to truly not care. That means ignoring your sunken cost (prior investment of time/effort), and truly trusting that "I can get laid whenever, my lay rate is good, who cares about the effort, girls love to fuck me" (your words paraphrased). By trusting that she is replaceable, you'll take more risks and experience the payoff.

Girls will respect you for calling them out. If that's the tipping point for them not fucking you, they were borderline to begin with and you have a larger issue at hand.

I don't tell them too many impressive stories, or seem too impressed by them, etc. Just really set the bar low and be myself and see if they can still hang. Honestly I haven't lost one yet from any of this.

[jariel]

[runsonmagic]

1) You are a newb. Report to the newbie forum.

2) You are arrogant. The reason no one likes you, is because you're arrogant. You complain about having to work hard to get laid. You claim you're the shit, with no results to show for it.

3) You are selfish. Your first post is entirely self-serving. It's all about you. Your game, your results, your complaints. Contribute value before you ask for something in return. Grasp this, and you won't suck with women.

4) Your game sucks. You say, "my game is basically direct and sexual. I bombard them - " stop. You don't "bombard" women. Have you read the books the creator of this forum wrote? It's all indirect. Next time you go out, try indirect. You're the reason people think direct game doesn't work.

5) You are thirsty. " I bombard them with sexuality and pathetic bullshit about how much I want them." If you want to stop sucking, don't tell another woman you want her until you've had twenty lays or heard "I love you" from a woman without saying it first.

6) You are outcome dependent. "I would like to game in a style where I can actually do whatever I want and not worry about how it affects my results." You don't get to whine to strangers about your results and not care about results.

This post is the nicest thing anyone will ever do for you before the ban. I write it only because there may be better, more deserving newbies lurking who will take heed.

If you argue that what I've written is somehow not true, and that you're actually a true alpha male, unrecognized for your sexual genius, I predict ban will be swift and imminent.

[Lord Immaculate]

(01-11-2015 02:04 PM)456 Wrote:  

I think you laid out your own solution in your final paragraphs!

Call girls out, but don't do it in the "caring asshole" way (h/t Roissy), rather, do it in the "uncaring asshole" way or, better yet, a GENUINE way.

You can't bluff "not caring" if she walks -- you have to truly not care. That means ignoring your sunken cost (prior investment of time/effort), and truly trusting that "I can get laid whenever, my lay rate is good, who cares about the effort, girls love to fuck me" (your words paraphrased). By trusting that she is replaceable, you'll take more risks and experience the payoff.

Girls will respect you for calling them out. If that's the tipping point for them not fucking you, they were borderline to begin with and you have a larger issue at hand.

I even do things like fart in front of them as early as possible (i.e. during a post-bang cig on the balcony after the 3rd or 4th fuckdate), try not to tell them too many impressive stories, or seem too impressed by them, etc. Just really set the bar low and be myself and see if they can still hang. Honestly I haven't lost one yet from any of this.

Great advice. This seems like just what I need.

[Lord Immaculate]

(01-11-2015 02:11 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

1) You are a newb. Report to the newbie forum.

2) You are arrogant. The reason no one likes you, is because you're arrogant. You complain about having to work hard to get laid. You claim you're the shit, with no results to show for it.

3) You are selfish. Your first post is entirely self-serving. It's all about you. Your game, your results, your complaints. Contribute value before you ask for something in return. Grasp this, and you won't suck with women.

4) Your game sucks. You say, "my game is basically direct and sexual. I bombard them - " stop. You don't "bombard" women. Have you read the books the creator of this forum wrote? It's all indirect. Next time you go out, try indirect. You're the reason people think direct game doesn't work.

5) You are thirsty. " I bombard them with sexuality and pathetic bullshit about how much I want them." If you want to stop sucking, don't tell another woman you want her until you've had twenty lays or heard "I love you" from a woman without saying it first.

6) You are outcome dependent. "I would like to game in a style where I can actually do whatever I want and not worry about how it affects my results." You don't get to whine to strangers about your results and not care about results.

This post is the nicest thing anyone will ever do for you before the ban. I write it only because there may be better, more deserving newbies lurking who will take heed.

If you argue that what I've written is somehow not true, and that you're actually a true alpha male, unrecognized for your sexual genius, I predict ban will be swift and imminent.

Meh...You may be right about everything else but I've been in the game since 2008 so not a newbie. Slow learner sure.

[Cobra]

You say you've been in the game since 2008. I'm not a master player by any means but I'm a bit surprised at your post given the 2 - 4 years you've put in.

How many approaches have you done?
What's your style of clothing?
What's your approach style? (e.g. street approach, day time, direct, social circle etc.)

I think there is something to be said about red pill that's beyond just approaching women here which you seem lacking.

[Lord Immaculate]

(01-11-2015 02:55 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

You say you've been in the game since 2008. I'm not a master player by any means but I'm a bit surprised at your post given the 2 - 4 years you've put in.

How many approaches have you done?
What's your style of clothing?
What's your approach style? (e.g. street approach, day time, direct, social circle etc.)

I think there is something to be said about red pill that's beyond just approaching women here which you seem lacking.

Like I said, I can get laid and I get laid alot. The issue is that I feel bad about how I do it, because other people have it easier and don't have to sacrifice as much self-respect doing it.

I have no less than 10,000 approaches under my belt. I haven't started really getting laid consistently since 2011. I have banged 80 girls since then. Before I started gaming I banged 2 girls and that was them doing all the work.

I wear suits and ties, shoes etc. I approach direct at clubs and in the street and online also.

I can only assume the only thing I'm lacking is being more of an asshole. I think I'm too nice and this causes them to lose respect.

[Foolsgo1d]

You care too much.

You get interested in a girls life to fuck a girl? Stop that. So what if she has a career, you can be intrigued about it and listen to her waffle on about some drama she likes but for gods sake do not go any further.

You want to bone women, not become their IPad.

[Dalaran1991]

Assuming he's not trolling, OP serves as an example of everything we do not want to become taking the redpill. You get laid but at what price? You become bitter, arrogant, full of hatred and you actually despise women. No good comes of that and it's a straight way to hell for your soul. In game, the ends do not justify the means. Getting laid at the price of peace of mind is a sweet deal with the devil.

I actually can relate to the guy. At the beginning of my journey I had a lot of hatred and anger and it's quite natural. However as a player progresses he needs to grow out of it, learn to see the world and women for what it is and transcend his problems. Getting laid a lot and still stuck in hatred and frustration is every example of bad PUA stuffs that give the manosphere a bad name.

Some of us are dealt bad hands in life which makes gaming harder, but there's no point in comparing yourself to the other guy. I just saw my Ryan-Gosling lookalike wing and he just landed another solid 8.5 blonde in a week. There's just no way I can have the same kind of success unless I devote my entire life to game. Assuming that we both make progress then I will never be at his level either. But what's the point of comparing yourself to the "other" guy? The only "other guy" you need to compare yourself to is yourself from yesterday.

[Dantes]

Almost every guy I have met on this Forum has to work to get laid. Few guys do this with little ease.

I do well, but I put more effort into it then all my friends (non forum guys ) combined. I can't snap my fingers to get laid, but I have worked hard on being the best man possible. Most things in life that provide fulfillment require effort. Accept this and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

[Lord Immaculate]

I dont despise girls, I despise myself for being a bitch and not being the right kind of person who gets the respect and priority. Meh, just gotta start abusing these girls its a learning curve. Without a little mistreatment
there is no respect. Nobody ever says how the golden rule o "give respect to get it" doesnt apply with girls. It's my fear of losing the girls whick prevents me from trying out new things like cursing them out once in a while
or putting them down here and there. Learning curve.

[Dantes]

(01-11-2015 07:22 PM)Lord Immaculate Wrote:  

I dont despise girls, I despise myself for being a bitch and not being the right kind of person who gets the respect and priority. Meh, just gotta start abusing these girls its a learning curve. Without a little mistreatment
there is no respect. Nobody ever says how the golden rule o "give respect to get it" doesnt apply with girls. It's my fear of losing the girls whick prevents me from trying out new things like cursing them out once in a while
or putting them down here and there. Learning curve.

I don't see value in cursing girls out or mistreating them. However, I do believe that if you are afraid to loose a girl, you already have. Girls sense this and have an intuition about it. The others guys are spot on about abundance mentality.

[Sonoma]

Open with 5 girls a day and you won't have the time to put in effort with any of them. You'll lose some, win some, but it's not about how many girls you don't get, it's about whether or not you're getting laid that night

[General Mayhem]

(01-11-2015 07:22 PM)Lord Immaculate Wrote:  

I dont despise girls, I despise myself for being a bitch and not being the right kind of person who gets the respect and priority. Meh, just gotta start abusing these girls its a learning curve. Without a little mistreatment
there is no respect. Nobody ever says how the golden rule o "give respect to get it" doesnt apply with girls. It's my fear of losing the girls whick prevents me from trying out new things like cursing them out once in a while
or putting them down here and there. Learning curve.

If it wasn't obvious before, it is now.

[Easy_C]

Quite possibly.

On the off chance it's not, and for the benefit of any lurkers who have the same problem, then there's exactly one reason that girls don't take you seriously. It's because you lack masculine power.

[jariel]

I didn't take his thread seriously.

[Cobra]

The 10,000 plus approaches with no self development is a shocker if it's true. It doesn't add up.

[Katdogbirdduck]

Great Anti-troll defence mechanisms from Runsonmagic and Dantes.
The number of trolls posting junk threads is skyrocketing recently.

[Suits]

(01-11-2015 07:22 PM)Lord Immaculate Wrote:  

...Meh, ...

This tells me everything I need to know.

[Rush87]

I don't think you're trolling and I understand some of the points you're trying to articulate.

It can be very hard to adopt the 'don't give a fuck policy'- Especially when the investment is so high.

IMO when you have the ability to game and bed decent women [Irrespective of effort] options will increase your success at a faster rate than further improvements to game. [In no way am I saying to stop improving game].

If you put all your eggs into one basket it will be human nature to worry about everything you say. If you lose the girl, you have nothing.

If you have multiple options it will take you significantly closer to that point where 'females chase you'. Girls are social creatures, they want a male in demand.

At the same time, options will improve your own game. You will have increased exposure to women and your skills will improve at a faster rate. If you can pull one girl you can pull multiple girls.