[Tiguere]

Last night I went out in the shitty Midwestern City I currently reside to check out the nightlife. I had heard from friends a few new spots that were good so we all went to check them out.

Yet, the night blew through and through...

No one seemed to be having any fun at the 4 different bars/clubs I checked out. Nightlife is currently dead where I am located, a surprising and sad realization after enjoying Latin nightlife for the first time in my life for the last 4 months.

After the third lame bar and somewhat mentally exhausted after opening and carrying a few sets of 4-5 chicks for awhile, I decided to sit back and observe why all these bars were ass last night.

Now the weather could be the easy answer as no one likes to go out in the cold. However, it was more than that. I noticed a number of common themes from the places we were at that signify a bar or club is going to be lame:

Girls On Tinder At The Bar

Yes, there were multiple girls actively swiping or chatting on Tinder while they sat in their groups of 4-5 girls and gossiped. It seems girls where more interested in their girls nights because they all get banged on weeknight drink dates each and every week.

At first, I took this as a sign to approach as I assumed they were thirsty. Yet, it seemed these girls used Tinder to supplicate their lack of normal social skills. This has to be a worse sign for nightlife than girls simply on their phones.

Sitting In Groups

A few years back the nightlife in the city I'm currently in was not like this, but recently everyone sits in groups and chats. Dance floors were barren last night. Never a good sign for a man trying to get laid.

Open Spaces

As many have said, it's much tougher to get laid at a place where everyone can see everyone. There is no place for a promiscuous girl to hide. The venues where I'm at seemed to have all changed to these type of open spaces where there are no places to hide or sneak around a corner to escalate and make out.

...So what are some other signs you notice at a bar or club that indicate your going to have an uphill battle ahead of you?

[YossariansRight]

(01-04-2015 02:30 PM)MasculineProfiles Wrote:  

Last night I went out in the shitty Midwestern City I currently reside to check out the nightlife. I had heard from friends a few new spots that were good so we all went to check them out.

Yet, the night blew through and through...

No one seemed to be having any fun at the 4 different bars/clubs I checked out. Nightlife is currently dead where I am located, a surprising and sad realization after enjoying Latin nightlife for the first time in my life for the last 4 months.

After the third lame bar and somewhat mentally exhausted after opening and carrying a few sets of 4-5 chicks for awhile, I decided to sit back and observe why all these bars were ass last night.

Now the weather could be the easy answer as no one likes to go out in the cold. However, it was more than that. I noticed a number of common themes from the places we were at that signify a bar or club is going to be lame:

Girls On Tinder At The Bar

Yes, there were multiple girls actively swiping or chatting on Tinder while they sat in their groups of 4-5 girls and gossiped. It seems girls where more interested in their girls nights because they all get banged on weeknight drink dates each and every week.

At first, I took this as a sign to approach as I assumed they were thirsty. Yet, it seemed these girls used Tinder to supplicate their lack of normal social skills. This has to be a worse sign for nightlife than girls simply on their phones.

Sitting In Groups

A few years back the nightlife in the city I'm currently in was not like this, but recently everyone sits in groups and chats. Dance floors were barren last night. Never a good sign for a man trying to get laid.

Open Spaces

As many have said, it's much tougher to get laid at a place where everyone can see everyone. There is no place for a promiscuous girl to hide. The venues where I'm at seemed to have all changed to these type of open spaces where there are no places to hide or sneak around a corner to escalate and make out.

...So what are some other signs you notice at a bar or club that indicate your going to have an uphill battle ahead of you?

Some general things I look at:

*Bad guy-to-girl ratio, aka "sausage fest".
*General "vibe" or "feel" when you're there.
*Little to no room to operate inside the place.
*Quality (or not) of the drinks.
*Friendliness of the staff in the place.

Those are a few things off the top of my head.

[TravelerKai]

Cattle Protection rings. That is what I used to call them. Basically when the uglier fatter women form a protective ring around the pretty ones for whatever reasons. Ever watch Nat Geo when the lions try to get a smaller cape buffalo and the bigger herd members form a ring and shoo the lions away? Yeah just like that.

Southeast Asian guys in the US in certain clubs do the same thing as well. If none of the girls are outside the rings, I would just get a drink, kill it and walk out.

If you are solo, and even the milfs are tag-teamed and none are solo that makes approaches tougher as well when you do not have a wingman to help. Sometimes you need to enlist an unknown guy in the place just to tackle the duos of middle aged women. I think I have tried that maybe 2-3 times. It's so difficult I got to the point to where I would just give that location up for that night.

I bet Roosh's favorite thing to do is to do an immediate head count of the guy to girl ratio before he does anything else.

[Feo]

No one was out this weekend because they're all broke from new years..or they're at holy ship in Miami

[Sourcecode]

Girls that are dancing in groups and not holding drinks.

[Brodiaga]

I don't like small bars and clubs where everybody can see and sometimes even hear everybody.

[Alpha_Romeo]

A place where the TV is tuned in to some sports event. Guaranteed sausagefest.

[coverdoc]

For me I don't like to see mixed groups in which the guy is being very protective of all the girls. Ran into these and to break in is like playing appeasement game to the guy, reinforcing his pseudo alphaness.

[Merenguero]

(01-04-2015 03:43 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Girls that are dancing in groups and not holding drinks.

Every single venue in the Buenos Aires area.

[TravelerKai]

(01-04-2015 06:29 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 03:43 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

Girls that are dancing in groups and not holding drinks.

Every single venue in the Buenos Aires area.

Does it negatively affect approaching them like in the US?

[SlickyBoy]

Shitty music - if girls don't like it enough to dance to it, the DJ is doing it wrong.

Location of the club itself - if it's not near the action or takes too long to get there, it'll be deserted.

Small to mid-sized city location. Just less likely to have more women , on average.

Income level of surrounding area and clientele. If it's a bar town with blue collar guys, the clubs will probably suck. Ditto for military towns.

If it's located in America.

If it's got metal detectors. Stab-n-jab clubs are rarely worth the risk.

[Kish]

The drinks are cheap
The women there are late 20s early 30s.
There's no women in pairs or in three's.
It's primarily locals(everyone knows each other).

[Ingocnito]

1) A local cop has been contracted to sit at the door with the door-fee / hand stamp / wrist band person. Creates both fear and undue protection in a place, especially if it's not ghetto or inner city. Guys are afraid to be bold, women are overly empowered / protected.

2) Bachelor / Bachelorette parties present. - not sure why, besides the cheesiness, but any time one of these groups was present, I struck out that night.

3) It's in the midwest. - I think the entire region has just sucked ass for too long that many are giving up on it's night life.

4) The wait staff dresses like hipsters, even if the clientele are not.

5) The wait staff is too cheery, having too much fun. - a sign they're over compensating for the lameness of the club, to attract attention for tips they wouldn't receive otherwise. Reverse, if the crowd is having more fun than the wait staff, you'll at least have a good time, and women will be easier to approach.

[jariel]

Club game has been hurting for years.

I think in it's heyday both sides had similar reasons for going out. Guys wanted to meet girls, and hopefully hook up, girls wanted to meet guys, and were open to hooking up if they were feeling the guys.

Surely that element still exists today, but its on life support.

Guys still want to go out, meet girls, and hook up, but girls don't need the clubs to meet guys and hook up so instead they're there for other reasons, mostly because it's just something else to do that looks like a shot in fun in their otherwise boring lives.

However, girls look miserable at clubs. They spend more time on their phones, music is blaring, but they're not dancing, their behavior raises the question as to why they're even there in the first place.

I used to go out regularly, anywhere from 4-5 nights a week, but the ROI is so low, I don't go out as much and I've changed the types of venues I go to when I do hit the streets.

I've never gone out specifically for women, but when you're in a good spot with dope music and just enjoying yourself, seeing attractive women who are also having a good time who you can vibe with is just a great enhancer to the night.

Unfortunately, we still want that full experience, they just want to be able to say they were there.

[Dr. Howard]

(01-04-2015 07:24 PM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

1) A local cop has been contracted to sit at the door with the door-fee / hand stamp / wrist band person. Creates both fear and undue protection in a place, especially if it's not ghetto or inner city. Guys are afraid to be bold, women are overly empowered / protected.

2) Bachelor / Bachelorette parties present. - not sure why, besides the cheesiness, but any time one of these groups was present, I struck out that night.

3) It's in the midwest. - I think the entire region has just sucked ass for too long that many are giving up on it's night life.

4) The wait staff dresses like hipsters, even if the clientele are not.

5) The wait staff is too cheery, having too much fun. - a sign they're over compensating for the lameness of the club, to attract attention for tips they wouldn't receive otherwise. Reverse, if the crowd is having more fun than the wait staff, you'll at least have a good time, and women will be easier to approach.

Disagree, Wisconsin has such a community drinking culture that its easy to get laid a a bar. I also like the girl next door brunette with big tits look.

However, back on topic, bad signs at a club/bar in Canada...natives/'real' indians.

[Bacchus]

-Packs of IRT's. They move around in groups of 8 and throw bad game at anything blonde. Their presence lets you know that a venue has truly kicked the bucket.

-Birthday girl. A group celebrating some bitch's moving closer to irrelevancy is on the prowl for attention, not men.

-Bitches holding hands as they move through the crowd. The no ho' left behind mentality is not an encouraging sign for your one night stand.

[Travesty]

^ A girl out for her birthday with only 2 or 3 other GFs max and they are drinking heavy can be a goldmine. Some girls push their girlfriends to get laid on the birthday.

Bachelorette parties I have much less success with.

Anyhow,

I think the number one sign other than sausagefest which is by and far the absolute worst, which is anywhere the girls are paying more attention to their GFs (group selfies) or their phone than having fun which is most nightlife on most nights in the U.S..

[brick tamland]

I'll add - a group of girls (usually 4 or more) who are sitting near the perimeter of a bar / club and are basically in a huddle and are seemingly having a meeting and are generally oblivious. Although they may be drinking, their vibe is in contrast to that of most of the other people there.
Also, as stated by others, constant phone use is a bad sign. I've also seen girls who spend the whole time seemingly agitated. In general I've noticed trenchant aloofness in girls when they go out. Nowadays your own approach anxiety is no longer the foremost obstacle.

[sandman972]

For a bar:

- Mostly long tables

- Small area for standing and social environment

- The bar is one straight line, doesnt curve around, or isnt square shape where you can gauge IOI's from across the bar

- Music is too loud. I cant stress this enough, I enjoy gaming women verbally, not just physically on a dance floor. Also from personal experience I have had many more bangs translate from a social environment rather than a loud club where even saying whats up is a challenge.

- Lighting is huge. Too bright and I find the mood is tense and up tight. The dimmer the bar, the more there is sexual atmosphere created.

- In terms of women, some nights at the same bar the ratio is great and the overall vibe is vulnerable. Some nights its slim pickings, really is hit or miss.

In regards to clubs:

-I personally dont enjoy myself. I find it very tough to make any considerable progress in a club environment. Iv had nights where ill go make out with 5-6 women in dance-floor game, but it usually doesnt leave the dance floor.

-As I mentioned above, its too fucking loud, I leave and my ears are ringing for an hour after.

- Drinks are usually insanely over priced.

- I also find in a club its tough to monitor how drunk you actually are. I dont like getting too drunk, a nice buzz is my main goal when I go out, but in a club, I can keep drinking and not feel like Im intoxicated, then the second I exit the club I get hit by the drunk bus

Bottom line, I rarely go to clubs. The results I personally see from them arent worth my time and money, therefore, I will go to a bar over a club any day.

[Foolsgo1d]

You cannot compete with her phone or the dreaded phase where her friends walk off.

[MrXY]

Lots of good observations here. The most interesting to me, because they are the most subtle, are the ones about the physical layout of the bar and how that affects your game outcomes. I've come to believe the effect is much larger than most players are aware of.both more bar

Consider two very popular bars in my town. Both have a lot of similarities. They are more bar-like than club-like. Neither has a cover charge. Both offer live music regularly. Patron demographics are similar, especially in the tourist season. Both are in heavy tourist trafficked areas, though on opposite ends of town. Square footage and capacity are similar. Yet at Bar #1 I have a poor record of successful approaches and have only gotten two SNL there is the last two years, despite checking it out regularly. Bar #2 though, is pussy goldmine-I have gotten numerous SNLs, many phone numbers, been approached many times and gotten several of the quickest lays of my life from this place.

I attribute much of the difference between the places to their differing physical layout. Bar#1 is just one open room with a long bar on one side with a largely useless L bend at one end. Two thirds of the length of the room is taken up by tables, which of course invites women to sit and make themselves hard to approach. The rest of the room is a small dance floor and the band stage along with a small area to stand near the bar that quickly becomes crowded and uncomfortable to stand in due to people trying to walk by. Outside is a patio most of whose space is taken up by tables and is next to a sidewalk and street which has people passing by until about midnight.
All this results in a space in which it is at the same time hard to see a woman giving you IOIs but you feel like everyone can see you and is looking at what you're doing. Sounds contradictory, but that is the case. Naturally, women are reluctant to entertain approaches since the place makes them feel like they are on stage. Plus, they can see you doing approaches before you approached them. This place is often loaded with good looking women, but it's like a tree with plastic fruit. Are are you surprised to hear it is the most popular place is town for big girl's birthday and bachelorette parties to show up? Being an open space with high visibility, it offers maximum attention whoring potential.

Bar #2 has critical differences. It consists of an inside, a larger outside covered patio , and an uncovered patio area. The inside is about the size of a small neighborhood bar, mostly square but with a side area and a games area in the back that includes a narrow passage you have to go through to get to the toilets and a larger hallway that leads to the covered patio. The inside bar is fairly large and U-shaped. The outside covered patio has a roof but no walls, a quite large rectangular bar easily accessible from all sides and benches along the sides of the space, with a decent sized dance floor and band stage. The outside uncovered area has a few tables but is mostly just concrete next to a street with car traffic but few pedestrians. The division of the spaces means that a player can approach in one area without being observed by the girls in the other. It also makes the girls feel more comfortable. The shape of the bars is very important also. Many times I have gotten IOIs from a girl on the other side of the bar that ended in a successful approach. I believe the more spaces, corners,and passages a bar has the better, as long as this is combined with more public areas where people can check each other out and send signals.

Another thing to keep in mind about bars is the reputation of the place. Bar #1 is the place people go earlier in the evening, often with groups of friends or family who are on a mutual vacation. It's a safe, "fun" place for people to have a bar experience. Bar#2 however, has the reputation of being the place to go in town if you want to get laid. Everyone knows this; I have had multiple tourist girls say to me "We heard XXX is the place to go to get laid!" and laugh.Not many family groups come here; if bacherlorette of bday parties show up its late a night and the drunk hardcore who want to keep partying. Find out which places in your town have this reputation and hit those harder; girls who are looking to get fucked that night will show up there.