Quote: (04-27-2011 07:40 AM)kimleebj Wrote:
Quote: (04-26-2011 10:21 PM)Samseau Wrote:
a country that only made school mandatory up until age 12 would probably become one of the better/richer nations on the planet.
Education Across Countries
# 1 Norway: 16.9 years
# 2 Finland: 16.7 years
# 3 Australia: 16.6 years
# 4 United Kingdom: 16.4 years
# 5 New Zealand: 16.2 years
# 106 Chad: 3.9 years
# 107 Djibouti: 3.4 years
# 108 Burkina Faso: 2.8 years
# 109 Niger: 2.3 years
# 110 Mali: 2.1 years.
Factually, you are wrong:
Education in chad is compulsory
Education in Djibouti is compulsory
education in mali is compulsory
I'm not going to look up the other places, because you should research your posts better.
Theoretically:
making children attend school does not make them intelligent or knowledgeable or better human beings in any shape or fashion. children are only as good as their teachers.
cultures are what produces high quality children, and to a lesser extent, their IQ. smart children are bred by educated parents. education does not come from schools, it comes from hard work and a burning desire to learn. formal education destroys this drive.
this is why when we compare europe of today to europe of 200 years ago, although europeans were overall more illiterate, huge numbers of original thinkers and innovators came about during that time. conversely, present-day europe hasn't come up with anyone close to the likes of Rousseau, Kant, Hume, Newton, etc. etc.
hell, european thinkers of 100 years ago blows away anything modern europe can offer. and this was all before the rise of modern education, aka the death of creativity.
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society is collapsing today is because of ... falling birthrates
Birthrates per 1000 by Country
1 Democratic Republic of the Congo 49.6
2 Guinea-Bissau 49.6
3 Liberia 49.6
4 Niger 49.0
5 Afghanistan 48.2
191 Japan 8.3
192 Germany 8.2
193 Singapore 8.2
194 Hong Kong 7.6
195 Macau 7.6
way to prove my point. shithole nations are filling up the world while civilized ones are disappearing.
Roosh:
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Samseau: I agree with you in spirit but historically those societies which focused on advanced education for its populace have had the most successful empires (economically speaking). Say what you want about the American empire today, but for a period of time our educated elite was outclassed by no one. Not long ago a college degree from an American university meant a job and a career. Not anymore, unfortunately.
Actually, it's precisely the opposite: the societies that built the best educational institutions were freely created out of curiosity and a desire to learn. There were no other incentives. The economic benefits as a result of this were more or less accidental. And I stand by the truth:
All the institutions which produced the great thinkers of the west - from Plato's Academy, to Aristotle's Lyceum, to the universities at Alexandria, to the great monasteries of the middle ages, to the men of letters of the enlightenment, and to the rise of the modern university system in Germany during the 1800's - not one was compulsory.
Educated elite are created by a fine culling of intellectual men out of society writ large in order to pool together the more cerebral members of society. The elite is destroyed when all mechanisms of separating genuine thinkers from the common man are nullified.
Before, when college was a distinction and mark of honor for one's resume, few possessed the mental acuity to perform in such an environment. When men congregated at a university, they found themselves surrounded by other thinking types who brimmed with the life of the mind.
College, and formal education as a whole in America, has been completely corrupted by the desire to make money. Due to some weird accident of history, Americans equate education with making money, something that has only occurred at the tail ends of every empire. (at the end of Athens and Rome, men were sending their sons to learn rhetoric, boys in china were trained to pass state exams that would no longer be there by the time they grew up, men piled into the clergy in the days before the protestant reformation, etc.) Basically, people run out of ideas and don't know how to succeed, so everyone sends their children to an institution with a "proven" track record to gain a competitive edge in the market. This means the death of learning as true talent is drowned in a sea of democratic noise.
You can see such backwards thinking perfectly reflected in OldNemesis' post:
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I was going to disagree here, but on second thought I think it is a good mindset. After all, the less educated people are around me, the higher value me and my friends would have as professionals. Which means better career options (I just was offered a 8K/mo job in Singapore), better pay and early retirement.
So please go ahead, skip education and travel over the world, and the more people you convince to do so, the better I'll do.
Not once did I say to skip education, only that
formal education is a waste of our time and youth. Instead of concerning ourselves with learning about this world, we wrap ourselves around a fruitless pursuit of money and place everything else in ancillary to it.
Poor OldNemesis is so trapped in today's time period he cannot understand the distinction between education and making money; probably a fault of 95% of today's population.
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