None of those are must haves as game is random and anything can work in different scenarios. It’s just bunch of practical tips that come very handy at times.
- Have an end in mind at all times –
Basically you know what it takes to seduce a girl. you know you will have to be able for example to break the ice effectively, get her curious about you, get her physically and/or emotionally comfortable with you, take full charge for escalation and leading, etc. so don't do anything that can compromise your progress. For example..
- Doing something over the top might break the ice very well but if it destroys your chances with that girl then it's a wrong move.
- If you're happy that the girl talks sexy stuff with you but you haven't even touched her once yet it's also wrong move.
Don’t think in terms of good reactions right here and now. Always be aware how what you're doing here and now will impact getting to desired end goal. With that in mind you might realize how unimportant are things like kissing fast or getting bunch of iois [common things guys are very hung up on].
- Lead physically from the start -
It gets the girl accustomed to following your lead. Never asks where you're going or what she wants to do. Tell her and take her there.
- Leading without touch is better than nothing.
- Leading by giving her an arm to grab is better [it's "charming" so good in high social pressure situation].
- Leading by hand is the best [most intimate].
- Expect resistance at all times -
Girls rarely agree instantly to anything that random man offers them. They either play their dramatic role of classy lady being hard to get or they're just not interested. From start to finish it's the same shit. Doesn't matter how charming you are and how good your game is. It’s just girls being girls. It’s normal. When you make a move expect trying different angles a few times before she complies [or not]. How many times you got brushed off by a girl you chat up casually and you gave up immediately? Why did you expect her to attentively listen to you right away? Persist a bit and give her a chance to see what you’re about.
- The more the girl seems approachable the more direct you can go -
Go direct as much you can get away with. A girl has to FEEL you're interested in her but calibrate the way you express your interest according to the pressure of social situation she's in.
- direct: happy/bored girls on their own, huge groups, girls looking around, dancefloor [low social pressure]
- indirect: mixed groups, tight knit groups, house parties [high social pressure]
- Nightgame: social proof comes first -
When you enter the venue don’t target hunt or snipe. It’s 10 or 11pm. Nobody is ready for love. Nobody wants to leave. It’s time to become the star of the show. Easy way to do it is to talk to every girl who’s within the reach of your arms. Play with it like a kid in playground. Merge them. Talk to one girl about the other girl. Tell a girl in front of you to come meet your “sister”. Tell your sister that this other girl looks like her type. Whatever. Have fun with it and create chaos.
You don’t have to jump around and be clown to do it. Being low key is fine. Cool guys don’t jump around. They are chill and move at their own pace. But they hang out with girls. That’s the key. Forget seducing and pulling. Surround yourself with girls. Mix gaming with normal getting to know each other talk like where they’re from, where they live, plans for night, duties next day etc. After 1-2 hours you will know who’s who and what’s what that night. Then you can think about pulling etc.
- Empathize: disarm potential mistakes -
Put yourself in girl's shoes and see the situation from her perspective. Ask if it's ok to interrupt [daygame]. Tell her that if she really needs to go you'll understand because you don't want her to talk to you out of politeness. Tell her that you were raised by old school grandfather so if you cross her line she can tell you to back the hell up. Things like that disarm potential future fuckups on your part. Very useful.
- Opening: focus on the follow through -
It’s the follow through is crucial. In fact the best way to break the ice is to say something to get her attention then watch her reaction then adjust your game to that reaction then deliver your bullshit. So you say "hey" or point at her...
- If she notices you and smiles, you go "hmm that's a nice smile I feel so welcome, who are you?" she says something then you carry on the convo.
- If she freezes or make a mean face you address that first like "oops did I interrupt something important? You look like you are brainstorming, if you're bothered just let me know and I’ll leave you alone" then she says something back and only then you ask about her lame laptop or whatever nonsense that hardcore indirect guys like to ramble about.
- If you say hi and she freaks out cause she's surprised you take a step back and calm her down first before you talk to her normal. The worst thing is to start delivering your opener right away before she even notices you. Even simple "hey excuse me..." or "hey you know what..." followed by little pause is much much better.
- Opening: Follow 90/10 rule in general -
Talk a lot and give her many threads to latch onto. Be more persistent. Don’t get pushed out too easily. Provide 90% of talking at first. It gives her a lot of topics to respond to. Do not ask random questions expecting her to carry on for you. Basically you have to take it upon yourself to talk and talk even without getting any feedback at first. You have much bigger chance that something will hook her attention this way. Do not expect 50/50 by asking random questions and waiting for her to contribute. You get out what you put into it.
- Hooking: be relevant to her + spike emotions + get her to invest -
The easiest way to hook anyone attention is to talk about their favorite topic. Themselves. Something about their behavior or style or image or vibe or looks or choices etc. That's relevant. Then flirt about that shit a bit. Then bait her to stay.
So if you open with a comment about the color of her dress [it's her dress it's relevant to her how she looks in it] you can flirt about color red, how it affects you, how red is aphrodisiac like a chocolate or whether it fits her or not really [again, talking 90% of time and flirting which spikes emotions] then you can tell you would tell her more but she seems disinterested [baits her to ask you for more which is some sort of an investment on her part]. She wants to know more. She’s attentive and listening to you. Boom! You just hooked her.
- High points: either escalate physically or back off to bait her to invest -
Basically depending on what you need at a time you can choose one. Physical escalation will be received well because of emotions running through her body. Stepping back will get her to game you.
- Escalation: work on all 4 channel equally -
Topically, emotionally, physically and logistically. Do not talk about deep shit and connect like soulmates without having any physical connection. Do not over escalate without having any kind of emotional connection and place to bang available then and there. Try to raise all 4 channel equally or choose which channel to work on depending on situation you’re in.
- Physicality: invite her to comply -
To minimize resistance give her opportunity to participate with you so that the potential rejection is not awkward. Instead of grabbing her hand put your hand out for her to take it. If she takes it you can pull her in and do whatever cause she complies. If she doesn't take it you can smile and treat it as a test of where you're at with her. Her subtle "no" doesn't hurt your advances. However her wrenching herself away after you try to grab her out of the blue does slow hurt your advances.
Same with hugs [put your arm out], kisses [“come here” gesture with your finger], sitting on your lap [hand out, grab, pull in, sit her down] etc. It’s very good way to make moves in face to face interaction as well as in high pressure situations with people/friends around. When people see she agrees to your physical advances then nobody can confront you.
I once did it to a girl on the other side of the room. We looked at each other and I put my arm out as if I wanted to give her a hug. She smiled and stood up and put her arm out too so I walked up with my arm out. We hugged and talked to her with my arm around her. Yeah, so much for so called escalation ladder lol
- Physicality: 2 steps forward 1 step back -
Escalate until you reach her "comfortable" threshold [watch eyes and body language] and then let go a bit. Let it breathe a bit. Let her get accustomed to this new level of mutual physicality. Then escalate further and again stop right before she gets uncomfortable and back off. Use constant pressure but avoid getting harsh “no” as it slows things down a lot.
- Physicality: lead her touch -
In short if you want a girl to touch you as much as you touch her just take her hand and put it where you want to make it mutual.
- If you have your hands on her hips take her hands and put them on your neck. Test her. If she holds her hands on your neck it’s a good sign.
- When you dance you can take her hands and put them on your chest/stomach so that she can touch/molest you.
- When you stand shoulder to shoulder you can take her arm and put it around your neck and leave it there, if she hold it there you can put your hand on her hip.
- When you lay on the couch together you can physically place her body in a position that that she can actively touch you [she’s not likely to do it herself [but she will comply when you do it].
I don’t say it’s mandatory but there are times that it works beautifully. Those guys who just stand right next to their girls or dance with them with no physical contact should follow this tip. It’s quite bold move and it shows you can lead and interact physically with girls [huge thing].
- Escalation: Escalate her escalation -
Whenever a girl escalates on you in some way, reciprocate with something a little more intense.
- if a girl touches your arm or puts her head on your shoulder you playfully put your arm around her or hug.
- if a girl locks eye contact on you then you look at her like you have something very dirty in mind and approach her in more straightforward manner.
- if a girl flirts with you then you flirt back using more sexual innuendos.
- if a girl makes out with you then you grab her ass or lift her leg like you’d want to bang her then and there.
Simply recognize what she’s doing and respond with something similar but amplified.
Pattern: If she looks at you, she wants you to talk to her. If she talks to you, she’s interested. If she’s interested, she wants you to touch her. If she touches you, she wants you to kiss her. If she kisses you, she wants you to fuck her.
Thing is you don’t need to see overt verbal sexual “yes” from the girl to make moves on her. You need to be observant of her overall demeanor. Often times girls are in full compliance internally but their expression of that state is so subtle that nobody can tell they're showing they want to get laid then and there. Girls![[Image: amuse.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/new/amuse.gif)
- Qualification: qualify depending on what you want –
- If there's a chance for love same night qualify the girl on that complimenting those character traits that are associated with taking risks, adventurousness, living in the moment, loving fun, being sexually open, etc.
- If you shoot for day2 qualify girl on things associated with spending time together, getting to know each other etc.
- Comfort phase: replace attraction energy with physicality -
After the first emotional sensations come down as you're hanging out together focus on physical escalation to not let the energy between you die out. I made this mistake a lot before. I thought that when we liked each other and were comfortable that I could chill back not doing shit. Wrong. It’s time for launch physical game to keep it alive before ending up in private place.
- Pulling: seed it beforehand -
Mention things you can do in your/her place. Cooking, watching movies, playing instruments, showing your art, drinking funny cocktails, afterparty, etc. and tease that you actually can't. Examples...
- I'd cook you xyz it's amazing but actually it's so tough and you will be stressing me out watching me no fuck it that's too much pressure.. forget it
- We need to watch xyz movie together but sometimes I fall in sleep during movies so naah I don't want to
- I'd play you this song I made lately but I'm on the fence about it sometimes I think it sucks, besides you'll laugh at me... no way
I once told a girl I was curious about her notes from lectures and teased that her handwriting probably sucks.. and it was enough to bounce to her place later
- Pulling: baby step it -
Do not try to take her straight to the bedroom in one move. Moving her one step closer to the place at time even if you have no idea what’s next. Different place, different situation, different circumstances, different emotions, different stimulus, etc.
Story: I once told a girl that we really need chewing gum. Went to the little shop next to the beach. It allowed us to be alone so she could be more open and sexy with me. Then we went to the beach cause it was so nice there at night. I was very close so no big deal. Then we went for a walk to “explore” the place [to not stumble upon our acquaintances]. Then I played with water teasing she’s wet now. Then we started playfully fight with each other which turned into passionate kissing and then it went from there. Classic baby stepping. If I told her “let’s go to the beach” I think she would be too alarmed to go or our friends would want to join us. I also think she actually knew from the start what’s going on however there was too much of plausible deniability. Again, different situation/place opened up different options for us and allowed us [mainly her] to act differently. That’s why every little step closer to end goal is good cause every step leads to another etc.
- Lmr: point of no return -
Recognize the moment after which it has to go down. It makes it or break it thing. If you cross that line but fail to bang it's likely you will not see her again. It’s better to not cross it then and there if you see the girl will not go all the way after that. Learned it the hard way.
- Lmr: keep on backing off if she's not down -
If you see the girl is not that down for sex but she enjoys your company start doing takeaways. Go to kitchen to do something there. Or when you sit right next to each other stand up and go to balcony to watch the sky. Keep doing it. She should feel worse when you leave so that will want you to come back. It should not look like you’re impatient or butthurt. It should be very spontaneous, like an idea just popped in your head.
- "hey I want to drink coffee wait here" and you leave to kitchen
- "have you seen the sky tonight? look!" and you leave to see it
- "let's check what they play on cool xzy radio station" and you go switch it on.
She should want to get your attention back.
Will add more if something pops up. Feel free to add yours tested stuff.
- Have an end in mind at all times –
Basically you know what it takes to seduce a girl. you know you will have to be able for example to break the ice effectively, get her curious about you, get her physically and/or emotionally comfortable with you, take full charge for escalation and leading, etc. so don't do anything that can compromise your progress. For example..
- Doing something over the top might break the ice very well but if it destroys your chances with that girl then it's a wrong move.
- If you're happy that the girl talks sexy stuff with you but you haven't even touched her once yet it's also wrong move.
Don’t think in terms of good reactions right here and now. Always be aware how what you're doing here and now will impact getting to desired end goal. With that in mind you might realize how unimportant are things like kissing fast or getting bunch of iois [common things guys are very hung up on].
- Lead physically from the start -
It gets the girl accustomed to following your lead. Never asks where you're going or what she wants to do. Tell her and take her there.
- Leading without touch is better than nothing.
- Leading by giving her an arm to grab is better [it's "charming" so good in high social pressure situation].
- Leading by hand is the best [most intimate].
- Expect resistance at all times -
Girls rarely agree instantly to anything that random man offers them. They either play their dramatic role of classy lady being hard to get or they're just not interested. From start to finish it's the same shit. Doesn't matter how charming you are and how good your game is. It’s just girls being girls. It’s normal. When you make a move expect trying different angles a few times before she complies [or not]. How many times you got brushed off by a girl you chat up casually and you gave up immediately? Why did you expect her to attentively listen to you right away? Persist a bit and give her a chance to see what you’re about.
- The more the girl seems approachable the more direct you can go -
Go direct as much you can get away with. A girl has to FEEL you're interested in her but calibrate the way you express your interest according to the pressure of social situation she's in.
- direct: happy/bored girls on their own, huge groups, girls looking around, dancefloor [low social pressure]
- indirect: mixed groups, tight knit groups, house parties [high social pressure]
- Nightgame: social proof comes first -
When you enter the venue don’t target hunt or snipe. It’s 10 or 11pm. Nobody is ready for love. Nobody wants to leave. It’s time to become the star of the show. Easy way to do it is to talk to every girl who’s within the reach of your arms. Play with it like a kid in playground. Merge them. Talk to one girl about the other girl. Tell a girl in front of you to come meet your “sister”. Tell your sister that this other girl looks like her type. Whatever. Have fun with it and create chaos.
You don’t have to jump around and be clown to do it. Being low key is fine. Cool guys don’t jump around. They are chill and move at their own pace. But they hang out with girls. That’s the key. Forget seducing and pulling. Surround yourself with girls. Mix gaming with normal getting to know each other talk like where they’re from, where they live, plans for night, duties next day etc. After 1-2 hours you will know who’s who and what’s what that night. Then you can think about pulling etc.
- Empathize: disarm potential mistakes -
Put yourself in girl's shoes and see the situation from her perspective. Ask if it's ok to interrupt [daygame]. Tell her that if she really needs to go you'll understand because you don't want her to talk to you out of politeness. Tell her that you were raised by old school grandfather so if you cross her line she can tell you to back the hell up. Things like that disarm potential future fuckups on your part. Very useful.
- Opening: focus on the follow through -
It’s the follow through is crucial. In fact the best way to break the ice is to say something to get her attention then watch her reaction then adjust your game to that reaction then deliver your bullshit. So you say "hey" or point at her...
- If she notices you and smiles, you go "hmm that's a nice smile I feel so welcome, who are you?" she says something then you carry on the convo.
- If she freezes or make a mean face you address that first like "oops did I interrupt something important? You look like you are brainstorming, if you're bothered just let me know and I’ll leave you alone" then she says something back and only then you ask about her lame laptop or whatever nonsense that hardcore indirect guys like to ramble about.
- If you say hi and she freaks out cause she's surprised you take a step back and calm her down first before you talk to her normal. The worst thing is to start delivering your opener right away before she even notices you. Even simple "hey excuse me..." or "hey you know what..." followed by little pause is much much better.
- Opening: Follow 90/10 rule in general -
Talk a lot and give her many threads to latch onto. Be more persistent. Don’t get pushed out too easily. Provide 90% of talking at first. It gives her a lot of topics to respond to. Do not ask random questions expecting her to carry on for you. Basically you have to take it upon yourself to talk and talk even without getting any feedback at first. You have much bigger chance that something will hook her attention this way. Do not expect 50/50 by asking random questions and waiting for her to contribute. You get out what you put into it.
- Hooking: be relevant to her + spike emotions + get her to invest -
The easiest way to hook anyone attention is to talk about their favorite topic. Themselves. Something about their behavior or style or image or vibe or looks or choices etc. That's relevant. Then flirt about that shit a bit. Then bait her to stay.
So if you open with a comment about the color of her dress [it's her dress it's relevant to her how she looks in it] you can flirt about color red, how it affects you, how red is aphrodisiac like a chocolate or whether it fits her or not really [again, talking 90% of time and flirting which spikes emotions] then you can tell you would tell her more but she seems disinterested [baits her to ask you for more which is some sort of an investment on her part]. She wants to know more. She’s attentive and listening to you. Boom! You just hooked her.
- High points: either escalate physically or back off to bait her to invest -
Basically depending on what you need at a time you can choose one. Physical escalation will be received well because of emotions running through her body. Stepping back will get her to game you.
- Escalation: work on all 4 channel equally -
Topically, emotionally, physically and logistically. Do not talk about deep shit and connect like soulmates without having any physical connection. Do not over escalate without having any kind of emotional connection and place to bang available then and there. Try to raise all 4 channel equally or choose which channel to work on depending on situation you’re in.
- Physicality: invite her to comply -
To minimize resistance give her opportunity to participate with you so that the potential rejection is not awkward. Instead of grabbing her hand put your hand out for her to take it. If she takes it you can pull her in and do whatever cause she complies. If she doesn't take it you can smile and treat it as a test of where you're at with her. Her subtle "no" doesn't hurt your advances. However her wrenching herself away after you try to grab her out of the blue does slow hurt your advances.
Same with hugs [put your arm out], kisses [“come here” gesture with your finger], sitting on your lap [hand out, grab, pull in, sit her down] etc. It’s very good way to make moves in face to face interaction as well as in high pressure situations with people/friends around. When people see she agrees to your physical advances then nobody can confront you.
I once did it to a girl on the other side of the room. We looked at each other and I put my arm out as if I wanted to give her a hug. She smiled and stood up and put her arm out too so I walked up with my arm out. We hugged and talked to her with my arm around her. Yeah, so much for so called escalation ladder lol
- Physicality: 2 steps forward 1 step back -
Escalate until you reach her "comfortable" threshold [watch eyes and body language] and then let go a bit. Let it breathe a bit. Let her get accustomed to this new level of mutual physicality. Then escalate further and again stop right before she gets uncomfortable and back off. Use constant pressure but avoid getting harsh “no” as it slows things down a lot.
- Physicality: lead her touch -
In short if you want a girl to touch you as much as you touch her just take her hand and put it where you want to make it mutual.
- If you have your hands on her hips take her hands and put them on your neck. Test her. If she holds her hands on your neck it’s a good sign.
- When you dance you can take her hands and put them on your chest/stomach so that she can touch/molest you.
- When you stand shoulder to shoulder you can take her arm and put it around your neck and leave it there, if she hold it there you can put your hand on her hip.
- When you lay on the couch together you can physically place her body in a position that that she can actively touch you [she’s not likely to do it herself [but she will comply when you do it].
I don’t say it’s mandatory but there are times that it works beautifully. Those guys who just stand right next to their girls or dance with them with no physical contact should follow this tip. It’s quite bold move and it shows you can lead and interact physically with girls [huge thing].
- Escalation: Escalate her escalation -
Whenever a girl escalates on you in some way, reciprocate with something a little more intense.
- if a girl touches your arm or puts her head on your shoulder you playfully put your arm around her or hug.
- if a girl locks eye contact on you then you look at her like you have something very dirty in mind and approach her in more straightforward manner.
- if a girl flirts with you then you flirt back using more sexual innuendos.
- if a girl makes out with you then you grab her ass or lift her leg like you’d want to bang her then and there.
Simply recognize what she’s doing and respond with something similar but amplified.
Pattern: If she looks at you, she wants you to talk to her. If she talks to you, she’s interested. If she’s interested, she wants you to touch her. If she touches you, she wants you to kiss her. If she kisses you, she wants you to fuck her.
Thing is you don’t need to see overt verbal sexual “yes” from the girl to make moves on her. You need to be observant of her overall demeanor. Often times girls are in full compliance internally but their expression of that state is so subtle that nobody can tell they're showing they want to get laid then and there. Girls
- Qualification: qualify depending on what you want –
- If there's a chance for love same night qualify the girl on that complimenting those character traits that are associated with taking risks, adventurousness, living in the moment, loving fun, being sexually open, etc.
- If you shoot for day2 qualify girl on things associated with spending time together, getting to know each other etc.
- Comfort phase: replace attraction energy with physicality -
After the first emotional sensations come down as you're hanging out together focus on physical escalation to not let the energy between you die out. I made this mistake a lot before. I thought that when we liked each other and were comfortable that I could chill back not doing shit. Wrong. It’s time for launch physical game to keep it alive before ending up in private place.
- Pulling: seed it beforehand -
Mention things you can do in your/her place. Cooking, watching movies, playing instruments, showing your art, drinking funny cocktails, afterparty, etc. and tease that you actually can't. Examples...
- I'd cook you xyz it's amazing but actually it's so tough and you will be stressing me out watching me no fuck it that's too much pressure.. forget it
- We need to watch xyz movie together but sometimes I fall in sleep during movies so naah I don't want to
- I'd play you this song I made lately but I'm on the fence about it sometimes I think it sucks, besides you'll laugh at me... no way
I once told a girl I was curious about her notes from lectures and teased that her handwriting probably sucks.. and it was enough to bounce to her place later
- Pulling: baby step it -
Do not try to take her straight to the bedroom in one move. Moving her one step closer to the place at time even if you have no idea what’s next. Different place, different situation, different circumstances, different emotions, different stimulus, etc.
Story: I once told a girl that we really need chewing gum. Went to the little shop next to the beach. It allowed us to be alone so she could be more open and sexy with me. Then we went to the beach cause it was so nice there at night. I was very close so no big deal. Then we went for a walk to “explore” the place [to not stumble upon our acquaintances]. Then I played with water teasing she’s wet now. Then we started playfully fight with each other which turned into passionate kissing and then it went from there. Classic baby stepping. If I told her “let’s go to the beach” I think she would be too alarmed to go or our friends would want to join us. I also think she actually knew from the start what’s going on however there was too much of plausible deniability. Again, different situation/place opened up different options for us and allowed us [mainly her] to act differently. That’s why every little step closer to end goal is good cause every step leads to another etc.
- Lmr: point of no return -
Recognize the moment after which it has to go down. It makes it or break it thing. If you cross that line but fail to bang it's likely you will not see her again. It’s better to not cross it then and there if you see the girl will not go all the way after that. Learned it the hard way.
- Lmr: keep on backing off if she's not down -
If you see the girl is not that down for sex but she enjoys your company start doing takeaways. Go to kitchen to do something there. Or when you sit right next to each other stand up and go to balcony to watch the sky. Keep doing it. She should feel worse when you leave so that will want you to come back. It should not look like you’re impatient or butthurt. It should be very spontaneous, like an idea just popped in your head.
- "hey I want to drink coffee wait here" and you leave to kitchen
- "have you seen the sky tonight? look!" and you leave to see it
- "let's check what they play on cool xzy radio station" and you go switch it on.
She should want to get your attention back.
Will add more if something pops up. Feel free to add yours tested stuff.