[almohajem]

I'm relatively new to game (have a few notches), and I want your opinions on the following. (ps. I live in a relatively conservative country/society - muslim- )

- Matched the girl through Tinder.
- Chatted with Facebook, and then via Skype for extended period.
- Met for the first time. I was playful during the meeting and touched her hands and hair. she was receptive.

- We live in two different cities (around 80miles distance)
- We carried on talking by phone, and she mentioned thousands of time that she loves me, care about me... she texts me everyday to ask how well I'm doing etc etc
- We planned another meeting somewhere far from her town (around 20miles). I drive by car to her place and take her to the dating place (a cafe).

- We cuddle for around 2 hours (kissing is not accepted in public places here). She did most of the cuddling and touches me in different places (leg, back, hair ... )
- We decide to go somewhere near the beach and stay in the car.
- I miss the place, so she asks if we are going back to her home and I say "yes". She says she wants that we stay isolated for a while.
- I go back to an empty place on the front of the beach and we chat/play for a while.
- I caress her on the ear and she is responsive. she's giving me IOIs all of the time.
- I go for the kiss. She refuses and says she is afraid. I ask her if she wants to get back, and she says "yes"

- I get her back to her place. She asks me why I reacted (escalated) while in the car. She tells me that she really loves me and that's why she is with me and if I think she is a prostitute.
- I tell her it's okay, and to get off the car (politely).
- She says "so that's it?" She gets off the car, and aggressively closes the door.
- I get a call from her phone an hour later, and when I answer I hear the laughs of some other girls and some talks. I end the call.

So in a summary:

- The girl is cute (about 7), 20 years-old, studies accounting or something like that.
- She is from a relatively well-off family
- She gave me lots of IOIs, cuddling, touching...
- She refused the kiss.

Any ideas of what is going on here?

(notes, some red flags)

1. She says she doesn't lie but she lies to her family/parents about going out.
2. She mentioned before our first meeting (I didn't ask her) that I'm the only one she is talking with, but I found her active on Tinder 8 hours ago on a friends phone.

[Cheetah]

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I ask her if she wants to get back, and she says "yes"

Why did you ask that? It's like saying that you are not interesting in seeing her anymore because she didn't kiss on your first attempt.

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- I get her back to her place. She asks me why I reacted (escalated) while in the car. She tells me that she really loves me and that's why she is with me and if I think she is a prostitute.
- I tell her it's okay, and to get off the car (politely).

You told her that it's ok for her being a prostitute, implying that she is. The question might be warranted considering that you no longer showed interest when she didn't kiss on your first attempt.

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She mentioned before our first meeting (I didn't ask her) that I'm the only one she is talking with, but I found her active on Tinder 8 hours ago on a friends phone.

Didn't you expect her to continue looking when you were no longer an option?

[almohajem]

@cheetah

1. Go back to her place.
3. This is before our first meeting.

[Sonoma]

She's a prude, gotta dump her buddy

Just kidding, but she doesn't seem like a slut. Keep gaming other girls and keep in touch with this one. All girls want to get Fucked, some just take time warming up to it. I've had girls take yeaaaaaars from first kiss to bang because they're just not as slutty as others.

[Rawmeo]

Just next her.

Reciprocating a kiss takes 5 seconds. If she doesn't want to take 5 seconds of her time, it means she doesn't care about you at all. This is the utter insult and should be a sign to ditch her now.

Your answer to "am I a prostitute?" was probably not the best.

She called you 1 hour later and you hear laughs. Another insult.

Please respect yourself, and get someone else.

[heavy]

I would give up on her bc you failed. Failure is good, because you tried and will learn from it.

First meetup, and since she's not a slut she didn't want to give it up. Not that she wouldn't give it up (depending on factors such as you gaming her right and time of month), she's just less likely to fuck you.

She's asking why you escalated..."I like you" or "I like you, your adorable" in a teasing way would have been better responses. Important after: THEN SAY NOTHING. At this point her antenna is up and she's scanning for any crack in your cold-hearted emotional cornerstone.

I suspect after your kiss-attempt she's not interested *tonight*, but still a possibility in the future. However, with the prostitute question and your response, sorry, I don't think you'll get another chance (if she makes you think you have another chance, feel free to entertain it, just don't count on it).

Take heart. From Beginner-Medium-Advanced, this was above Beginner level.

[almohajem]

To clarify

1. I don't have a place to fuck her at that moment. So it's not an option

2. She can't sleep outside her family home (conservative family).

[tallandblonde]

(12-16-2014 12:01 PM)almohajem Wrote:  

To clarify

1. I don't have a place to fuck her at that moment. So it's not an option

2. She can't sleep outside her family home (conservative family).

So unless I'm missing something it doesn't really seem like you're going to bang this chick anytime soon unless your living situation changes. Is a motel room an option?

[almohajem]

@tallandblonde
Yes. I have no problem renting an place for a few days. I already mentioned this to her, and she liked the idea of being able to see me more by me renting for some period here.

[kaotic]

(12-16-2014 11:04 AM)almohajem Wrote:  

I'm relatively new to game (have a few notches), and I want your opinions on the following. (ps. I live in a relatively conservative country/society - muslim- )

- Matched the girl through Tinder.
- Chatted with Facebook, and then via Skype for extended period.
- Met for the first time. I was playful during the meeting and touched her hands and hair. she was receptive.

What's the time frame when you mean extended period ?

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- We live in two different cities (around 80miles distance)
- We carried on talking by phone, and she mentioned thousands of time that she loves me, care about me... she texts me everyday to ask how well I'm doing etc etc
- We planned another meeting somewhere far from her town (around 20miles). I drive by car to her place and take her to the dating place (a cafe).

80 miles is WAY to far.
You've met once, yet she loves you and cares about you ? RED FLAG

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- We cuddle for around 2 hours (kissing is not accepted in public places here). She did most of the cuddling and touches me in different places (leg, back, hair ... )
- We decide to go somewhere near the beach and stay in the car.
- I miss the place, so she asks if we are going back to her home and I say "yes". She says she wants that we stay isolated for a while.
- I go back to an empty place on the front of the beach and we chat/play for a while.
- I caress her on the ear and she is responsive. she's giving me IOIs all of the time.
- I go for the kiss. She refuses and says she is afraid. I ask her if she wants to get back, and she says "yes"

-You did what she wants, you should of taken control after you missed the exit
-She's afraid of you and tells you to get back, yet she says she loves you and cares for you, classic hamster. Her reaction is grounds for automatic NEXT.

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- I get her back to her place. She asks me why I reacted (escalated) while in the car. She tells me that she really loves me and that's why she is with me and if I think she is a prostitute.
- I tell her it's okay, and to get off the car (politely).
- She says "so that's it?" She gets off the car, and aggressively closes the door.
- I get a call from her phone an hour later, and when I answer I hear the laughs of some other girls and some talks. I end the call.

-What was your response when she asked why you escalated ?
-Yeah she REALLY loves you when she's afraid of you
-Good for you kicking her out of your car.
-You should've of never answered the phone call from her.

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So in a summary:

- The girl is cute (about 7), 20 years-old, studies accounting or something like that.
- She is from a relatively well-off family
- She gave me lots of IOIs, cuddling, touching...
- She refused the kiss.

Any ideas of what is going on here?

(notes, some red flags)

1. She says she doesn't lie but she lies to her family/parents about going out.
2. She mentioned before our first meeting (I didn't ask her) that I'm the only one she is talking with, but I found her active on Tinder 8 hours ago on a friends phone.

She's in a different city 80 miles away and said she loves and cares for you after 1 date, but refuses to kiss you after cuddling with you.

You've checked out her tinder through a friends phone, that's some ex GF shit right there.

NEXT this girl asap, you're putting pussy on the pedestal. I do understand where you're coming from as far dating in a fairly conservative culture/society.

[almohajem]

@koatic

> What's the time frame when you mean extended period ?
around 1 month
> What was your response when she asked why you escalated ?
I was really confused and had no words. so I kept saying it's okay.

Thanks for your analysis. It already seemed weird to me that this girl falls in love very quickly. It happened to me a couple times before with 4/10 girls. My logic was that they had no previous boyfriends/relations, so they were thirsty and quickly fell in love. It should be a redflag for this one, though, because she is a 7 and she studies at a big university with lots of guys.

I did block her on fb an hour ago. she made lots of calls and I ended up by answering and she begged me hard to unblock her. I said okay and ended the call.

ps: I must look for girls in other cities because my city is a conservative hell, and though there are some street prostitutes, it's a small place and I'll be on the news for that.

anyway, girl is nexted. have lots of work now, will be gaming again a month later.

(I'd appreciate any other analysis though for knowledge/experience, so feel free to write)

[Cheetah]

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I did block her on fb an hour ago. she made lots of calls and I ended up by answering and she begged me hard to unblock her. I said okay and ended the call.

She's either a stalker or she is seriously interested. Can't you suggest to meet up at a place somewhere close to you such as a hotel/motel? Don't check in until she is there and you meet her. Either she is in, or she's not.

[almohajem]

(12-16-2014 02:20 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

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I did block her on fb an hour ago. she made lots of calls and I ended up by answering and she begged me hard to unblock her. I said okay and ended the call.

She's either a stalker or she is seriously interested. Can't you suggest to meet up at a place somewhere close to you such as a hotel/motel? Don't check in until she is there and you meet her. Either she is in, or she's not.

That's what I can't figure out she seemed very interested the whole period. she even thought about taking public transport to visit me. (I refused even though my friend encouraged me for that, and instead I suggested the second meeting).

Otherwise, when talking, I asked her if she knows cooking and if she would cook had I rented some place at her town. she said she'll happily do. I'm just afraid now that would I do that, she thinks I'm really interested in her cooking.

[kaotic]

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)almohajem Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:20 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

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I did block her on fb an hour ago. she made lots of calls and I ended up by answering and she begged me hard to unblock her. I said okay and ended the call.

She's either a stalker or she is seriously interested. Can't you suggest to meet up at a place somewhere close to you such as a hotel/motel? Don't check in until she is there and you meet her. Either she is in, or she's not.

That's what I can't figure out she seemed very interested the whole period. she even thought about taking public transport to visit me. (I refused even though my friend encouraged me for that, and instead I suggested the second meeting).

Otherwise, when talking, I asked her if she knows cooking and if she would cook had I rented some place at her town. she said she'll happily do. I'm just afraid now that would I do that, she thinks I'm really interested in her cooking.

She's pretty damn interested in you especially calling you begging to be unblocked. That or she's crazy.

I'd let her know what your intentions clearly are and then gauge her reaction.

[almohajem]

(12-16-2014 02:40 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:35 PM)almohajem Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:20 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

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I did block her on fb an hour ago. she made lots of calls and I ended up by answering and she begged me hard to unblock her. I said okay and ended the call.

She's either a stalker or she is seriously interested. Can't you suggest to meet up at a place somewhere close to you such as a hotel/motel? Don't check in until she is there and you meet her. Either she is in, or she's not.

That's what I can't figure out she seemed very interested the whole period. she even thought about taking public transport to visit me. (I refused even though my friend encouraged me for that, and instead I suggested the second meeting).

Otherwise, when talking, I asked her if she knows cooking and if she would cook had I rented some place at her town. she said she'll happily do. I'm just afraid now that would I do that, she thinks I'm really interested in her cooking.

She's pretty damn interested in you especially calling you begging to be unblocked. That or she's crazy.

I'd let her know what your intentions clearly are and then gauge her reaction.

Yes, I think I missed that part. She IS very submissive. she'll do anything I ask her. for example, I asked her to wake up today at 6AM to wake me up otherwise, I won't be visiting her (I'm going to a farer place, so just passing by her city). She did wake up at 6AM o'clock and called me (or maybe before?)

I just re-added her on fb and she added me almost instantly. What do you suggest I tell her?

I'm really into fucking her, and I have bad logistics and a hard/dry place.

[Cheetah]

^^^^

If it wasn't for the wisdom of this forum you would have nexted her by now.

Why would she cook for you if she's not interested in something else.

Ask her if she wants to meet up somewhere where you can take things further. Get a place that is convenient for you.

[perverted sage]

@almohajem are you from Lebanon

[ridiculous_nicholas]

I think there is a lot of extremely misguided advice on here. Get rid of this girl, its not worth it. Do you just want sex? Way too much work. Do you want a relationship with her? She is obviously absolutely crazy and not someone who you could honestly be with long term. This would be the only 100% correct advice in America. If you are in a muslim country, then I don't know. How conservative is it? Like no sex until marriage?

If you want to continue this charade you should probably just keep pushing the envelope until she either gives in and puts out, or gets so offended that she stops talking to you. Just keep getting more outrageous with your requests and act 100% serious. The situation will resolve itself either way. And whatever happens I wouldn't consider this a failure, this would be a high mountain to climb.

[almohajem]

@all

she called me a little earlier. I answered her and asked her to be direct on why she was afraid today. she replied that she was afraid I'll make a move and kiss her in the mouth (I was obviously making the move). I then asked her what was wrong with that, she said it's against her religion and honour. I just replied okay. I didnt want to get her into the discussion of cuddling, and touching and if it is within the religion.

she said that's her limits, and if I'd accept that or not. I replied that I can't decide now, and she said it's fine. we then talked a bit more.

I'm from tunisia, which has got liberal/religious population. you can stumble at both, but public shaming for girls is still strong here.

[Merenguero]

I didn't even read the original post, but if you have the ask the forum if you were just gamed, the overwhelming odds are that you were.

[kaotic]

See, now you know her intentions, she isn't going to fuck you.

She's scared of making out for christ's sake.

Ignore her and next her.